STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[kraskaesque]

Ofcourse mastin comes here and says im her strongest scum read but instead of pushing me and engaging me, she pushes a wagon on snarky instead. Because noone's going to hold mastin accountable for strongarming this if it flips town
And once again, as soon as mastin makes a vote, naked votes start piling on. Where were you guys when I tried to get a wagon on shadow going?
Mastin has no case on snarky. Mastin should either push a wagon on their "strongest scumread" or stop this bullshit wagon right now

[Reasonably Rational]

The first thing is a logical conclusion. If The alliance event stayed, it functioned as an alliance. The mod said if all alliance members withhold, it's worth three instead of one. If all the members were town and withheld acting, we would have little to worry about with the event.

As for the grapes issue, look when I cross examined Farside (and that's what I was doing). I accused her of roleblocking me, which made sense based on her claims. Then she claimed it was on grapes. Then I hit her with my action failing. I will grab it.

The defense attorney comment is not meant literally but figuratively.

The points thing totally makes sense now. Yeah umm; that is kinda damning. There was never really any cogent reason I could see for disbanding that large alliance, especially given the benefits it gave which were confirmed by multiple people. I think that it didn't occur to me because of the order of events. The scum event wasn't announced until after she did that. Stupid logical error on my part. Temporal order neither implies nor precludes causation.

~Drixx

[kraskaesque]

But, I honestly don't think I can convince the rest of the town that kraskaesque is scum.

Especially since one of the fears involved in the lynch that players would have is one I myself have.
Like, I'm pretty confident kraskaesque is scum. Yet there is that nagging doubt, "What if I'm wrong?"
If kraskaesque is scum and we lynch them, we clear all of the top-voters.
But if kraskaesque isn't scum and we lynch them, we accomplish nothing except weakening the town's cohesion even further.
And as much as I think kraskaesque is scum. I empathize with those who think/fear kraskaesque is town, because that thought terrifies me. I'm afraid of the consequences if I'm wrong.

Look
You either push a wagon on me today
Or you're full of shit
Pick one
And what is this cohesion you speak of? People queitly sheeping you and dropping naked votes behind you is not cohesion lol

[TheWayItEnds]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

[Titus]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

I know it. If I die, then they can be forced to claim.

[TheWayItEnds]

aight

[Reasonably Rational]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

I know it. If I die, then they can be forced to claim.

Are you sure? I wonder if you got told the same thing we did.

~Drixx

[Titus]

is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

I know it. If I die, then they can be forced to claim.

Are you sure? I wonder if you got told the same thing we did.

~Drixx

We can share to verify in our hood tomorrow if I live. If I don't Mastina can.

Oh and I just finished sourcing my answer on Farside's claim.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Cross-Exam -Warning, just here for verification of my post below.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

So, who did you block night 1?

I know you didn't target me, because you said you got a guilty.
So someone in that group of yours did I assume?

It kills you that I'm practical confirmed town and you canot wait for players to finish claiming.

By the by Titus didn't target you is all you need to know.

Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?

Other then a desire to blacklist you????
No
I think you owe your Math, more then anyone, an apology.
My apology would be more I'm sorry your so bull headed.

So, who did you block night 1?

I know you didn't target me, because you said you got a guilty.
So someone in that group of yours did I assume?

It kills you that I'm practical confirmed town and you canot wait for players to finish claiming.

You're still very impossible on answering direct questions I see.

Who did you block n1?

Shiro, who all I know couldn't be dealt with and I was informed I was unsuccessful with doing it

And you blocked me last night.

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

She claims her action on Shiro failed, and she's the ascetic one?

????

-Cerb

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

No. RR ensured that.

So your grilling me even though it's clear I'm town.

Your ego is just that big?

And you blocked me last night.

Nope.
I targeted grapes.

So you lied about the guilty.

Why?

Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.

I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.

If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?

Can you wait until after the beach claim is done before we get into this?

No. RR ensured that.

So your grilling me even though it's clear I'm town.

Your ego is just that big?

I only have evidence you are scum.

So, why did you block me and lie about it

Or

Why are you ascetic partially and omit that?

Yume was told Mastina was conftown in their PT.
Mastina vouches for Yume based on flavor.
I vouch for Mastina telling me Yume's flavor.

So why is farside prattling on about confirmed Town?

Because she's stalling to avoid answering direct questions for being busted.

She said anyone who targets her should see her as conftown.

I targeted Farside, and that's not the result I got.

Yume was told Mastina was conftown in their PT.
Mastina vouches for Yume based on flavor.
I vouch for Mastina telling me Yume's flavor.

So why is farside prattling on about confirmed Town?

Because she's stalling to avoid answering direct questions for being busted.

She said anyone who targets her should see her as conftown.

I targeted Farside, and that's not the result I got.

I know I didn't say that

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

Why are you ignoring the point system for beach palloza?

I already said I'm waiting for everyone to finish even if you want to ignore the obvious.

@Farside, Answer the question.

Why did my action on you fail?

Why are you ignoring the point system for beach palloza?

I already said I'm waiting for everyone to finish even if you want to ignore the obvious.

You claim not to block me.

You are not claiming ascetic.

The result is obvious that you are scum.

Confirming that helps interpret the algebra.

So, if you'd be a dear and answer why my action on you failed, that'd be great.

See point system at start of the game.

This isn't an explanation that is meaningful. Either clearly explain or stop flooding the thread with crap.

NC and I are in an alliance.
She picked herself which town gets 3 point for doing that and I picked her.
Town gets 2 points if they are in the alliance with the player they nominated.
Scum get 1.5 and 1.0 for those actions

Well why are you pushing this titus

I asked you to wait and you can't do it so now that the point. System shows it, why do you feel the need to push this claim from me?

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Whatever.

I have a noisy ascetic. A player targets me and are told I stopped there action.
I also know when a player targets me, just not who.

Well why are you pushing this titus

Answer the question.

Not explaining until I have all the info.

Whatever.

I have a noisy ascetic. A player targets me and are told I stopped there action.
I also know when a player targets me, just not who.

Why didn't you claim this day 1?

Oh and I already cracked that system Farside, but I want everyone to claim there.

Still waiting for a response from you first

That's not how this works Farside.

I am conftown with a funny result on you.

So am I based on the event.

Which you decided to stop.

And you said you would explain, stop stalling

You really think you can fool me with that? That's basic algebra too.

I am conftown, I can stall how I want to.

Now, why did you not claim ascetic day 1?

Because I wanted players to target me.

Just an FYI to those following this.
Your town leader stopped from finding real scum in this because her tunnel on me needs to be resolved first.

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

Great job.

Because I wanted players to target me.

Why?

I get points when players target me, which I can use to do stuff.

Like the vig shot I've claimed.
Not really a vig shot, but I can convert the points to make my vote count extra.

Because I wanted players to target me.

Why?

I get points when players target me, which I can use to do stuff.

What stuff?

If that's true, why not claim it along side your town proclaimation? Then town players know it's ok to target you.

Dgb is up.

Oh and

VOTE: Farside

So how many town will you lynch before you listen to one you lynched?

Just wondering. I'd like to know if I'll be pointing and laughing at you awful play for the rest of the game.

Let me get this straight, you wanted me to claim a negative utility role and hope when I say hey you target me and I'll get bonus even though it's negative and know in my heart of hearts no one would target me.
Sadly the only reason Titus knows she was blocked by me was because she targetted me.
A noisy ascetic for scum is awful.
But hey who cares, right Titus.

Awwww Shiro are you buddying me? If you haven't noticed I'm not a buddying type.

No. They were not doing what you wanted. Scum had infected. If you're town, you have been doing their bidding since Day 1. The 180 on SirCakez was thE indicator on that. You unilaterally decided no one was cooperating.

Still, there's a result on you. RR says it's really valuable. You will need to fullclaim for us to consider it.

Why don't you just full claim so I can do what RR asked of me?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

I'll tell you this much.
My character is kevin.
Human
My characters isn't a nice guy to steven and a bit of a jerk from what I read.

What abilities do you get if we target you?

What abilities do you get if we target you?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

What abilities do you get if we target you?

No offense but the last player that full claimed got lynched anyways.
I'll decline that offer since I don't believe it matters to you.

The last player that full claimed inexplicably was mistaken about their ascetic claim.

You keep saying for the good of the town, but that makes zero sense.

I don't care if you refuse to claim because you're antitown right now. It's all about you, and as long as that's the case, you'll eat rope.

RR has asked me to reevaluate your play based off your role. To do that, I need to know what your role is.

Rr: serious question. Do you really believe based on what Titus said above that she really will change her views on me.
Personally I highly doubt anything will change her mind.

Titus your not suspicious at all about dgb blatantly brown nosing you?

Of course I am. But I have proven that Farside omitted things that are lynchable for on their own, Farside's treated me like shit all game, refused to full claim after I exposed them, their Roleblocker claim is full of crap, they blew up the joyride when it seemed to have no purpose for their role, shaded Yume and just spammed the shit out of the thread.

I will love suspicious niceness compared to Farside right now.

2 out of 4 girl could be said about you.
Treated like shit and spamming the thread.

I slept on it and although I'm 95% certain you'll call me scum with my claim and all the proof is in the game and you'll just ignore it here is what you missed with my subtle hints.

The points can be used to help town.
As I said I can use them to make my vote multiply.

There is an event I can trigger which I need to be at a certain point and the level will be at a certain point and a player and I will be in a race.
The race I'm not explaining further since I'll be alive to use it ifor not shot tonight thanks to Titus ousting me.

The final thing is if I chose not to use my ability at all at a certain point system I leave the game and go from town to a 3rd party win con.
And if you haven't guessed by now, apparently, I get points for disbanding from players.

So in short end of day 1, pretty sick of Titus attitude, stopped caring/trying to even reason with her, disbanded, asked everyone to target me so I can get the fuck out of the game with a garenteed win then watching sheeping, dealing with fighting and hoping it happened before day 2.
As you can see no luck.

Spoiler: Paraphrase because it is a long wall

Titus (6483): Farside, do you have anything else you'd like to say. [Me giving Farside the chance to come clean.]
Farside (6489): You should apologize to your sibling. [Deflection and personal attack]
Titus (6491): I asked Farside who she blocked n1. [The answer was meaningless, but just to put on the record she is a blocker.
Farside (6494-5): You didn't target me because you said you got a guilty. Someone in that group of yours did. Oh and it wasn't you so why do you care? I am so conftown, back off. [Not even sure what she was talking about but that was a distraction.]
Titus (6496): Still your refusal to answer is noted. Who did you block?
Farside (6497): Shiro.
Titus (6499): You blocked me night 2.
Farside(6500): No. I targeted grapes. You lied about having a guilty.
Titus (6503): So why did you lie about being ascetic?
Cerb (6504): she [farside]had her action fail and she's ascetic?
Farside (6513): Can we wait until the beach claims are done? [request to stop grilling]
Titus (6515): No, RR ensured that.
Farside (6517): Is your ego that big you're coming after confirmed town?
Titus (6519): Why did you lie about blocking me or hide being ascetic?
Magna (6522): Why is Farside rattling about being conftown?
Titus (6523): Farside is stalling to avoid answering why we don't see her as conftown because I targeted her.
Farside (6525): I never said that.
Titus (6526): Answer why my action failed.
Farside (6528): I want to wait for the beach palooza.
Titus (6530): You are not claiming ascetic or roleblocker. Why did my action on you fail?
Farside (6531 @Magna): Trying to explain why the beach event makes her confirmed town.
Farside (6533-4): Why are you still pushing me? This system shows I am town.
Titus(6535): Answer the question.
Farside (6536): I am a noisy ascetic. Whatever.
Titus(6536): Why didn't you claim Day 1?
Farside (6539): Still waiting for an explanation.
Titus (6542): I am conftown with a funny result on you. Answer the question.
Farside (6544): I am conftown based on the event. Stop stalling.
Titus (6546): Buzz off. Why didn't you claim day 1?
Farside (6547): Because I wanted players to target me.
Farside (6550): You're letting Titus maul me instead of the real scum.
Titus (6549): Why did you want players to target you.
Farside (6551-2): I get points for abilities. Like the vig shot I claimed. It's not really a vig shot though. I can just make my vote count extra.
Titus (6553): Why didn't you claim this along side your town proclamation (or your ascetic claim)?
Farside (6557): How many town will you lynch before you listen to the one you lynch?
Farside (6580): Noisy ascetic for scum is awful. I know in my heart of hearts no one would target me if I claimed.
Titus (6681 and 6683): RR asked me to reconsider in light of your role. Please full claim so I can do that.
Farside (6684): It wouldn't matter to you, but I am Kevin.
Titus (6686): And your abilities?
Farside (6690): It didn't do Math any good, so no.
Titus (6691): a It's anti-town not to claim. Math fucked up their claim. I need you to claim to do what RR asked of me.
Farside (6692): RR, Nothing will change Titus's mind.
Farside (6707): Race trigger threat, 3rd party claim, still not claiming what abilities she gets or how she gets them.

Here's how Farside's claim happened.
I called her a blocker.
She says she blocked Shiro n1.
I accuse her of blocking me night 2 (which if she did is mighty coincidental but plausible if she scumread me that bad.
She says no that she targeted grapes.
I push her for 5-10 posts.
She claims ascetic.
I push for why no early claim.
She wanted targets for points.
Points get her roles.
She refuses to claim roles.
She claims 3rd party role. She doesn't claim all of what points help her do.

She's a third party roleblocker with a race event and can increase her own vote allegedly after destroying alliances. That's really all we know.

[Shiro]

Do people actually think Yume is going to be target for night kills?

yes, Yume gave me my bulletproof ability Pregame so yeah. She's insanely powerful.

I don't care about how powerful a players role is.
That's not the primary motivation behind my kills.

So no.

Yume will be here for days to come.

That is bad play imo. Especially in a varsoon game where main character roles can break the game.

If they don't attempt to kill Steven, they might as well give up and claim horrible team

Yume is possible the strongest role plus Unlynchable cause everyone sees her as town. She might Aw well hold a sign writting priority target number 1

[Shiro]

Titus, it still makes no flavour sense for far.

Also you ask why she didn't break the alliance instantly, well if she did regardless of alignment would be extremely suspicious. She was aiming for the 3p win, which means she didn't want to be lynched.

[Yume]

yeah I win if town loses and I'm alive... and if I win beachapalooza I bruteforce the cluster event that's why I selfvoted

Well, I implore that you direct your attention to the above.

[McMenno]

my plan seems to have been foiled

[Yume]

Your plan?

[farside22]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

You to take a stance.

I don't like how you're oversimplifying things and forgetting about your earlier stance. I am NOT wanting to lynch Farside solely because she claimed ascetic.

You yourself said that any negative utility roles would be lynched if they failed to claim. Yet here, you're not wanting to lynch Farside because she also claimed third party with it.

Second, you ignore that Farside never went after DGB or klingon or Math. There has been a pattern so far between the millers and ascetics. No two share the same alignment or restrictions.

You're acting as if because some negative utility claimers claimed early, there's a built in excuse not to lynch Farside.

There's the terrible reaction to the SirCakez wagon. She tries to deflect not going back to vote Cakey because she was trying to work with Almost50, yet she destroyed his event's utility.

There's a scum event that if everyone happened to forgo their ability in an alliance that would net town something like 12 points, even after we lynched SirCakez (assuming Farside was town). That is pretty convienent for scum.

Farside allegedly tried to roleblock grapes when acting could murder us all.

She's tried to make things personal repeatedly.

She's doubtcasted town all game.

So yeah, go ahead and try to say this is just about claiming ascetic, even though that alone is worth lynching her for given the total lack of sorting on DGB or Klingon.

I sorted kling called her town.

The joy ride was only for one night. Would not be for the whole game.
Dgb well you see her scum game and town game of late and tell me if you can figure her out.
The only person I'm doubt-casting is you. You doubt mastins reads, is that okay to do?
You doubt nc whom you called town, is that okay?
You literally are a horse with blinders on that refuses to look past your tunnel and accuse me of things that simply are false now.
You want respect, get out of your tunnelling of players.

[farside22]

Ofcourse mastin comes here and says im her strongest scum read but instead of pushing me and engaging me, she pushes a wagon on snarky instead. Because noone's going to hold mastin accountable for strongarming this if it flips town
And once again, as soon as mastin makes a vote, naked votes start piling on. Where were you guys when I tried to get a wagon on shadow going?
Mastin has no case on snarky. Mastin should either push a wagon on their "strongest scumread" or stop this bullshit wagon right now

Listen, I get that she called you scum and you kind read as taking offense but it also reads fake.
Vote snarky or vote Dbg, hell vote me, but that argument isn't going to solve anything.
You'd have to believe Titus faked a town result on her.

[Not Chara]

the point about Joyride doesn't make sense. it couldn't have been used for the Cluster event because it would only have lasted one day in the first place.

farside's claim doesn't contradict itself anywhere. and finally, this needs to stop. two conftown fighting over a wagon is not town cohesion. you both agree there is scum who didn't vote one of the top players in beachapalooza. we shouldn't be lynching anywhere but in there today.

[kraskaesque]

First off, my vote is where I want it to be
And I'm not taking offense at being called scum, I'm annoyed at all the sheeping going on. Also she actually said shadow contributed more than I did which is untrue

[Skybird]

So, Farside has recycled your very fake claim in Smite and you're still waffling?

You also realize that the only alliance she finished is the one where she convienetly tried to argue she was conftown from? The learning even starts from the position that she's honest when she's been forced to reveal omissions based on lies.

If Farside gained points from blowing up alliances, then why did she stay with NC and not blow it up immediately on Day 3 after voting? Appearing town is more important to Farside than blowing up alliances, which you're arguing is her wincondition.

She also is a roleblocker that never Roleblocked me? Cmon man.

I'm pretty sure she finished our alliance. At least I don't remember her blowing it up. Let me check on that.

[farside22]

What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.

You're referring to this question? You asked me what I thought of her after her late ascetic claim? I already addressed that, even if the post wasn't specifically addressed to you? Like, the specific point you cared about right there was meaningless. Once the game has a bunch of ascetic claims, auto-lynching based on someones ascetic claim becomes stupid.

So..yeah. I've also already said, in my ISO, the reasons why farside makes sense as scum, and why her actions don't make sense as scum.

What exactly do you want from me here?

-Cerb

You to take a stance.

I don't like how you're oversimplifying things and forgetting about your earlier stance. I am NOT wanting to lynch Farside solely because she claimed ascetic.

You yourself said that any negative utility roles would be lynched if they failed to claim. Yet here, you're not wanting to lynch Farside because she also claimed third party with it.

Second, you ignore that Farside never went after DGB or klingon or Math. There has been a pattern so far between the millers and ascetics. No two share the same alignment or restrictions.

You're acting as if because some negative utility claimers claimed early, there's a built in excuse not to lynch Farside.

There's the terrible reaction to the SirCakez wagon. She tries to deflect not going back to vote Cakey because she was trying to work with Almost50, yet she destroyed his event's utility.

There's a scum event that if everyone happened to forgo their ability in an alliance that would net town something like 12 points, even after we lynched SirCakez (assuming Farside was town). That is pretty convienent for scum.

Farside allegedly tried to roleblock grapes when acting could murder us all.

She's tried to make things personal repeatedly.

She's doubtcasted town all game.

So yeah, go ahead and try to say this is just about claiming ascetic, even though that alone is worth lynching her for given the total lack of sorting on DGB or Klingon.

Here's a stance: Cerberus and I are both far more tolerant of 3rd parties than 99.9% of the people on the site. We also care way more about getting it right than anything else.

My personal view? Farside has basically claimed almost exactly what I altered the fake claim I inherited in SMITE into. Like ... I personally find it basically not believable that Varsoon went and read that monstrous game and pulled out my fake claims and turned it into a role, or that he just happened to make exactly that role. I don't see any reason to fight you on this, but I'm not going to tell Cerb to just STFU so you'll like us.

The bottom line for me is this: We asked Farside to leash to town wincon by never allying again and (obviously) having nobody target. That means no more points which means the claimed "get enough points and I win and exit the game" wincon is off the table. I don't see why, if the claim was honest, Farside wouldn't agree to that readily. Being unreasonable with you I can understand, after the mess of crap yesterday. Being unwilling to engage with us strikes me as off. I think an honest Farside would have engaged and bent over backwards to work with us.

So I think we're looking at something dishonest about Farside. My supposition would be that she suspected Cerb's friendly engagement was a trap.

You know Farside way better than us. Does that line up with her personality?

~Drixx

You want to link the fake claim from smite that you claimed I'd read that clogged up game all the way through, which I didn't, and used something you used.
That mine was so far proven, was yours proven?

Cough said I'd vote snarky, cough.
But here is a real question, why should I work with someone not voting anyone demanding I use my ability to its fullest? How is it town to me the player voting the majority for vCa?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't care about how powerful a players role is.
That's not the primary motivation behind my kills.

So no.

Yume will be here for days to come.

Yeah, that's why your scum team got baited into a second straight Commute protect by me Night 3 of TV Characters.

It's like you think anyone buys this crap.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So why the fuck was klingon shot? To throw shade on DGB and Mastina?

Have you considered that maybe Klingon might not be the target and there are mechanics at play beyond what may be publicly known?

I say this because I'm not sure what Yume has shared.

A good starting point to look for scum would be see who were the early "Why Klingon kill" theory spouters today. If scum's real target got thwarted then that's the kind of info leakage I expect from scum.

[Creature]

idk what to comment.

[Creature]

Do you think it's possible scum has a fakeclaim that affects a town role?

[farside22]

First off, my vote is where I want it to be
And I'm not taking offense at being called scum, I'm annoyed at all the sheeping going on. Also she actually said shadow contributed more than I did which is untrue

I think there is 5 days left of the game day, will be longer if I'm lynched, some players agree with reads and some could be scum.
The only thing I found about your points on shadow that was good was the change of read on creature and the skybird/shadow connection.

I'm dealing with connections I see to flipped scum currently and snarky fits that as well.
Cakez had a scum read on snarky and barely pushed there.