Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Not Chara]

hello, everyone. i don't think i've ever seen serious votes happen so quickly. c=
VOTE: House

SlySly, i can't tell if you're being facetious or not.

[Not Chara]

from his last post, i'm wondering if he actually isn't... Sly, gigabyte was obviously speaking in hypotheticals.

[Not Chara]

Creature: do you know the flavour? in my opinion, flavouring this would be nearly impossible. there are multiple endings.

[Not Chara]

I feel like we could flavor this game.

let's

not

:S

[Not Chara]

I watched Pacifist and Genocide, is that enough?

you know basically all of the plot. the problem is there are so many differing motivations in Undertale (plus, at least three different neutral endings) that it would be difficult.
plus, i think flavour claiming is just a bad idea when scum surely have fakeclaims. i oppose this as a rule unless we're in lylo.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: SlySly

Unless he's trolling, he's terribad scum.

why not terribad town? he would probably be like this as town as well.
unless something indicates to you that he's faking ignorance, but you haven't mentioned anything like that.

[Not Chara]

weird question there, zakk. we've barely started and creature has done more hunting than you. what are you scumreads?

pedit: exactly.

[Not Chara]

a grapevine just means 'heard it from somewhere'. why does it have to be from this game, Sly?

i don't want to encourage flavour claiming/hinting. i say table flavour discussion until it becomes relevant.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: SlySly

Unless he's trolling, he's terribad scum.

why not terribad town? he would probably be like this as town as well.
unless something indicates to you that he's faking ignorance, but you haven't mentioned anything like that.

I think he's hardcore fishing in a way even bad town wouldn't right out of the gate.

Sure, I asked for alternatives to a scum PT for the grapevine (sorta), but it was an open ended request that left options for not forcing a claim.

Sly straight up pushed for a neighbor claim on top of casting shade over a commonly used term for rumor mill.

you have a point there.

[Not Chara]

NC, only talk about this game I have is in this thread. Where else would it come from? You know the discussing on going games rule, right?

House, read my tagline, I earned it.

of course i know the rule. this site has threads that aren't game threads.

gigabyte: ...no.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: slysly

Creature tryharding is NAI (this isn't related to my vote)

opinion on House's Creature vote?

[Not Chara]

weird question there, zakk. we've barely started and creature has done more hunting than you. what are you scumreads?

pedit: exactly.

Right now my scum reads include SlySly so I'm asking him questions, i.e. scumhunting.

Why are you chainsawing?

you asked Creature, not Sly.

Cakez: thanks.

[Not Chara]

zakk: why am i defending my scumbuddy, Creature, by pushing you?
a difficult question to answer when i'm not his scumbuddy and never pushed you.
the timing of your question was certainly strange. i wanted to know what was up.

[Not Chara]

So what's the flavor? I'm clueless about Undertale.

i'd recommend watching some playthroughs. if you have specific questions, i can answer. my name and avatar are a character from UT.

Not Chara why are you still sitting on that weak House vote?

it's been like fifteen minutes since i voted. why the question? i haven't made up my mind who to seriously push.

[Not Chara]

oh, nevermind.
VOTE: zakk

[Not Chara]

giga, this game has been moving

fast

and there's actually a lot of AI content in the first few pages.

Cakez: why did you assume i don't have scumreads because i hadn't moved my vote? you read my posts, you should have seen that i had some players i was suspicious of.

someone voting them answer: what makes pepto's catch-up really scummy?

[Not Chara]

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

tell me what you did that was exceptionally scummy on purpose, with your goal being to acquire votes, and i'll believe that you had a plan.

[Not Chara]

gigabyte: yes, but a lot of things are happening in this game that i don't see happening this early. i think the entire playerlist was lying in wait to pounce on this when the game opened.

[Not Chara]

House, i asked for more information on why that catchup post was scummy.

pedit: not buying your meta unless you can pull up a completed game with scum gigabyte.
pedit x2: wait, is there one?

[Not Chara]

Blade: i also didn't like that post. what did you think of House's Creature vote?

[Not Chara]

what do you mean by Creature 2.0? you think Creature is a low-hanging fruit lynch? (a guess/assumption on my part)
how do you feel about the other players who voted Sly?

gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.

[Not Chara]

gigabyte, did you just call House's RVS vote on you correct?

pedit: haha.

[Not Chara]

i don't know, House. only comparing what i've seen in this game, Creature didn't display any of the weird behaviour Sly did. the two don't look very similar to me.
but, i do understand what you're telling me regarding pepto.

[Not Chara]

gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.

Make that 3 of us, you took the "joke" to far. probably would have suspected you if not for sly, still might if he flips town.

why can't they both be scum to you?

House: oooh, boy. no, i am not. but i believe you, lying about a player's meta on purpose is a quick way to get attacked by that player.

[Not Chara]

it wasn't that i didn't believe you, i asked because i didn't know if you meant this game or not. i wasn't sure what that phrase 'Sly is Creature 2.0' meant.

[Not Chara]

I know House and I think he has the logical ability to give an RVS vote that is correct.

was referring to this, gigabyte. explain?

[Not Chara]

giga, this game has been moving

fast

and there's actually a lot of AI content in the first few pages.

Cakez: why did you assume i don't have scumreads because i hadn't moved my vote? you read my posts, you should have seen that i had some players i was suspicious of.

someone voting them answer: what makes pepto's catch-up really scummy?

I'd expect you to be voting scumreads if you had them....

oh thoughts on mcmenno

none. can't read someone from 3 posts unless they're big posts with a lot of thought process behind them

What is this even responding to?

i was scumreading House at the time, i did everything to show that but say so explicitly. i was considering moving my vote but between Sly, gigabyte, and zakk, there were a lot of options and i was in the middle of engaging with them.
your fixation on this point about me not voting immediately is strange. it's the standard 'why aren't you voting your scumread' filler question i've seen thrown around in every game i've been in, but for some reason you won't let go of it.
what's your read on me?

[Not Chara]

i was scumreading House at the time

Based on what, exactly?

gigabyte's reaction to the RVS vote was bad, and Creature voted them for it. you then voted Creature, which i didn't like. that was the basis. i couldn't see the reasoning for scumreading Creature for a perfectly valid push.
but you didn't continue pressing that, and your posting has been good, so the scumread faded away. that, and it wad an early push for a read, as Blade said.

[Not Chara]

HOLY SHIT 9 PAGES
First post I promised:
IN THIS WORLD...IT'S KILL OR BE KILLED

get on the ride, Gamma. this train isn't ending until we reach the surface.

i was scumreading House at the time

Based on what, exactly?

gigabyte's reaction to the RVS vote was bad, and Creature voted them for it. you then voted Creature, which i didn't like. that was the basis. i couldn't see the reasoning for scumreading Creature for a perfectly valid push.
but you didn't continue pressing that, and your posting has been good, so the scumread faded away. that, and it wad an early push for a read, as Blade said.

Nah, her response was fine. Considering that response was based on shared history, I think I'd know better whether it was bad or not than a couple jumpy Lucys.

I'm scumreading Giga, but not based on anything in RVS.

okay. you didn't really respond to the point of my post, but alright. like i said, i no longer think that way, but you asked me about how i felt at the time.

[Not Chara]

shoot. i think i know who Blade Dancer is and it's going to make me incredibly biased even though i'm probably wrong.
there is a massive difference between not being scared of a player because you don't know their reputation and not having the drive/reason to meta dive a player with four posts to read them.

[Not Chara]

yeah, I know your type

thinking you're sooooo clever for catching people on one little "slip" and tunneling them to death

Blade, could you just explain what this easy thing you're using to read McMenno is?

gigabyte: i don't want to start making alignment guesses based on a player's meta when we aren't even sure it's really them. that's too many assumptions in one.

[Not Chara]

NC how are you reading Blade right now? Try to fight your bias if you think it's impacting you.

town, at the moment. town before i started wondering about their main, and so i don't think that read is biased. but not a strong read.

How long are you 6 or so going to argue within yourselves?

we're all online. what else do you do in mafia besides argue? c=
who's scum?

[Not Chara]

Cakez: i see. good answer.

[Not Chara]

town, at the moment. town before i started wondering about their main, and so i don't think that read is biased. but not a strong read.

OK, I seem to be the opposite though. In that I'm townreading them as Blade Dancer alone but scumreading with my guess of their main.

Might be better to townread them then, I guess.

well, yes. don't scumread someone on a guess.

[Not Chara]

sorry, Blade. but i'm really not convinced. the Cakez vote was null, and the rest is McMenno. when you said he was 'easy to read', he only had the three posts, so why include the later ones in your explanation? (i could be wrong, he could have had four.. don't remember.)

[Not Chara]

How long are you 6 or so going to argue within yourselves?

You got thoughts in there?

i already asked this. :>

[Not Chara]

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

[Not Chara]

Creature: care to share?
Blade: no, he isn't hunting. does McMenno hunt out of the gate normally? it's your confident, knee-jerk scumread that i'm questioning.
the Cakez vote was absolutely null. it was RVS based on 'this player always rolls scum'.

[Not Chara]

McMenno, your only content post that hasn't been talking to blade dancer was your pepto vote. your words would have more weight if i could see you hunting.
as for your answer: i understand.

[Not Chara]

House: you know, i hadn't thought of that. it's an interesting view, it kind of makes sense.

[Not Chara]

that you said it while responding to someone else doesn't make it less untrue. why wouldn't he point that out?
...or am i misunderstanding.

[Not Chara]

zakk, you ignored my question. calling your bluff. shall i quote my question again?

[Not Chara]

Sly, why is zakk town and where is your read on me?

[Not Chara]

zakk: why am i defending my scumbuddy, Creature, by pushing you?
a difficult question to answer when i'm not his scumbuddy and never pushed you.
the timing of your question was certainly strange. i wanted to know what was up.

Who said you were defending your scumbuddy?

My timing was based on my entrance to the thread.

What's your opinion of me so far?

was looking through zakk, noticed this question.
by my understanding, the definition of chainsaw is to protect one's scumbuddy by attacking the player pushing them.

you say the question was to your scumread, Creature. have you explained why he was a scumread?
this is in addition to my wanting an answer about what your 'plan' entailed.

[Not Chara]

what do you mean by constant reads updating? all Sly did was add the two miller claims to his notes. which updated reads were you referring to?

[Not Chara]

Cakez: yes, i knew which posts you were talking about. except those aren't really dynamic reads. none of the reads even change, they just get added to. why are they what warranted a townread from you?

[Not Chara]

I'm beginning to think SirCakez is full of shit and is just making vaguely plausible stuff up.

besides the Sly read, what else are you talking about?

[Not Chara]

I'm beginning to think SirCakez is full of shit and is just making vaguely plausible stuff up.

besides the Sly read, what else are you talking about?

The reason for the read is meh, but that doesn't make it untrue.

i can agree with a Sly townread, what i want to know is how those reads posts are what Cakez is pointing to for that read.

[Not Chara]

i'll go look at SlySly again for flavour and see if i get what you mean. i'm not sure i'll find anything, but there you go.

House: nitpicking is the best, excuse you.

pedit: true. neighborize me instead. c=

[Not Chara]

i also just gave a look, as the self-proclaimed Undertale expert, i have no idea what giga is talking about.
how could a player who isn't Sly have hinted at Sly's role?

[Not Chara]

oh. i think i know what you're referring to. in my opinion, it's inconclusive. not something i'd push without actual evidence/flips to back it up.

but... why is there risk for a counterclaim? if you're so sure the flavour is scum/anti-town flavour, no one is going to counterclaim.

i also simply think it's too early for this sort of thing to be colouring your vote.

[Not Chara]

where did zakk mention their ability activates at L-2, Maxous?

that's possible. but in this case, i don't think scum would be against the third parties. our town role PM specifically says we need to beat all non-town, meaning we can't win with third parties and they are against us.

[Not Chara]

that isn't to say giga couldn't be scum third-party hunting, in retrospect. scumteams serial killer hunt all the time.

pedit: i see, thanks. their concern about how town would feel about the possible out could indicate that.

speaking of that post, i'm stil waiting for zakk to answer me.

[Not Chara]

actually Cakez was referring to your zakk vote being a bus, nothing to do with your opinion on Sly. who Cakez is townreading anyway.

Cake: hm, alright.

[Not Chara]

i don't know. i didn't really like your response to the question. annoyed at being scumread often in games?

[Not Chara]

i know, i knew that when you said it, but i wasn't talking about that. i'm talking about your tone. 488?

Cakez: coinciding with thread sentiment against zakk and thr dissolving scumreads against Sly?

[Not Chara]

miscommunication, then.

[Not Chara]

Anyone could "totally be scum"
The question is if said person is actually scum or not

now who's nitpicky. :>

[Not Chara]

you were being sarcastic about not being scum?

[Not Chara]

i wonder if day won't end until we lynch.
scum third party Gaster makes a lot of sense.

Andrius, are you saying i'm scum predicated on gigabyte being scum?

pedit: it could be. what do you mean banks threat?

[Not Chara]

hm. i don't know if that was zakk. they were at L-3 when it triggered, not L-2.
i don't know how to feel about Cakez. i don't think i can turn off the paranoia here.

Creature: the wagon hasn't stalled, zakk got to L-3 in a day and several players have not even begun engaging the thread. zakk still hasn't answered questions directed at them.

[Not Chara]

Something in Creature's posts is making me lol.

and yet, i kind of want to vote Gamma.

[Not Chara]

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

tell me what you did that was exceptionally scummy on purpose, with your goal being to acquire votes, and i'll believe that you had a plan.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Gamma
will watch zakk, but for now i believe them.

[Not Chara]

Accountant: i didn't really see flailing. perhaps some AtE, but not flailing.

[Not Chara]

House: i questioned Blade Dancer's scumread on McMenno, then told McMenno to put out some actual content.
where you got 'setting up a mislynch' from that is beyond me.
Blade Dancer's McMenno read is also a classic tunnel. not making me feel better about them but it's either a tunnel or an attempt at falsifying one.
also, Gamma is scum because of reasons.

gigabyte's replace out was town. i also understand why they didn't want to out the two roles they were wondering about but they may have really hinted too strongly.
Accountant: i disagree with your entire 'scumbutt' list.

[Not Chara]

i think i just explained why giga is town. their flavour speccing, while i don't agree with it, still makes sense to me and feels more like town who got a hold of something that concerned them over scum third party hunting.
zakk finally explained their play and i don't see scum motivation in what they're attempting to do here. you don't flail to survive a situation of your own making, you use it. i'm not 100% confident, but i can't see zakk as scum right now.
pepto is... ok, honestly, i don't care much about pepto either way at the moment. they're more like null. i didn't see what was so scum about the initial catchup or the reasoning for the continuing votes.
i see why McMenno is going there, i just don't feel good about it.

Gamma is scum. i'd go for that over others.
SirCakez is another player i have concerns about, i think i'd be more sure if he was run up, but the way he's pushed things has felt a bit fake. like, whenever i've engaged him his actions make logical sense, but i don't feel like he's trying to figure people out.
those are the only players i've put a lot of thought into. the rest turned up town, so i'm going to put my attention into other players.

if someone isn't looking very town to me, i'm suspicious. i'll put it like that.

[Not Chara]

House: you like zakk's post. but take issue with the lack of a vote?
semantics, Gamma is more scum and they're already voted.
but I wouldn't expect scum to push something so shaky to rekindle the zakk wagon, so... it's a genuine concern of yours?

[Not Chara]

read the post. the flavour speccing itself isn't what i was townreading.

[Not Chara]

zakk: i only cite [reasons] when i literally cannot explain further. make of that what you will, sorry that it's all i can say.

don't like Accountant's posting right now.
Magna's town. i agree with his assessment of Blade Dancer.
i'm going to reread pepto.

Gamma: you've continued to make me feel good about where my vote is. these annoyed, snippy comments without content are not how town responds. i asked you if you were tired of being scumread every game. did you answer?

[Not Chara]

Yes I am annoyed, in fact I think I mirror MariaR in how I'm read

i disagree. why do you think i'm scumreading you?

[Not Chara]

that doesn't follow.
your annoyed, defeatist attitude is giving me pause. i wanted to know where it came from, but you don't seem to think i'm reading you as scum for the reasons you bring up. so what do you think is happening here?
your reaction in 515 to Creature scumreading you is to bring that up. then suddenly you don't think you're being read like Maria is in this game? which is it?

[Not Chara]

Gamma: i

know

.
are you not understanding what i'm asking here? you said you're annoyed at being read like that but you can't point to how we're reading you in that way. in fact you don't even seem to think it's happening like that in this game in particular, from your response in 705.
486 was bad, 488 was worse. your reactions to accusations have been either angry snark or 'why me'.

Blade: is that not just another joke-RVS vote reason? i find it hard to believe. correlation doesn't imply causation, and all that.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine: i answered.

i also just gave a look, as the self-proclaimed Undertale expert, i have no idea what giga is talking about.
how could a player who isn't Sly have hinted at Sly's role?

oh. i think i know what you're referring to. in my opinion, it's inconclusive. not something i'd push without actual evidence/flips to back it up.

but... why is there risk for a counterclaim? if you're so sure the flavour is scum/anti-town flavour, no one is going to counterclaim.

i also simply think it's too early for this sort of thing to be colouring your vote.

to summarize, i think Giga

could

have something but without flips/claims i don't want to push it. it's just something to keep in the back of my mind, and not put too much stock in right now.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine: if giga is right, it's not a town thing. the problem is because it isn't confirmed as even being role-related, and is related to a different player who would surely be town. it's messy, no need to out it right now. if it comes out later, that's the time to talk about it. essentially, i know what giga is talking about but they've made a lot of assumptions in moving from 'noticing the thing' to 'vote-parking SlySly'.
i'll say what i've been saying: now isn't really the time for flavour speculation.

Blade Dancer: i have to think about it. i don't have experience with 'tells' to look back at. it just seems incredibly arbitrary. if true, it suggests some kind of subconscious scum trait that is making jokes about gambler's fallacy indicating a player will be more likely to have rolled scum this game.

Magna: i really don't see Blade Dancer bussing. McMenno scum would mean Blade Dancer town.
you have a lot of experience with zakk? how are they as town?

[Not Chara]

Nosferatu has a single post referencing Creature's signature and not much else. how does that make you want them lynched?
did zakk ever end up reaching L-2?

Creature: unclear. its existence could indicate an investigative role capable of bypassing ascetics.

[Not Chara]

what i meant was if giga is right and Sly is scum because of that, it would indicate a

different

player is town. giga outed nearly all of their thought process, so i'm not sure if my vague language is helping. but eh.

[Not Chara]

Nosferatu has a single post referencing Creature's signature and not much else. how does that make you want them lynched?

Where did he read Creature's signature? If he read that, then he had to have read more.

i don't know. what does this mean? Creature posted on the latest page where Nosferatu made their vote.
i just don't know how you're getting alignment indicative info here.

[Not Chara]

like an ascetic except for event-like things I imagine

Event like things? What are you talking about?

ignore that one.

House: you like zakk's post. but take issue with the lack of a vote?
semantics, Gamma is more scum and they're already voted.
but I wouldn't expect scum to push something so shaky to rekindle the zakk wagon, so... it's a genuine concern of yours?

He's a townread of mine, so I'm trying to get him off another townread of mine.

hm, okay.

Nosferatu has a single post referencing Creature's signature and not much else. how does that make you want them lynched?

Where did he read Creature's signature? If he read that, then he had to have read more.

i don't know. what does this mean? Creature posted on the latest page where Nosferatu made their vote.
i just don't know how you're getting alignment indicative info here.

Page 13. Where House, Giga, Gamma, Slysly, Creature, SirCakez, and Pepto all also posted above Nos.

Creature was not the pagetop, nor the most recent post before his. So to read Creature signature, he had to have read.

going to stop discussing this until Nosferatu returns and responds.

[Not Chara]

@Not Chara,

I don't think I can.

McMenno is arguing that ascetic miller makes sense

because of event like things

. Even if there are no "events", it implies an unhealthy desire to protect Ankimaus.

i didn't realize they were talking about Ankimaus's roleclaim specifically.
i don't know it implies that. it isn't as if Ankimaus was being attacked for his claim in the least.
again, ignore that. pretty sure i know what McMenno was referring to.

[Not Chara]

hello, Nahdia! welcome.

Creature, do you have an opinion on the Nosferatu Controversy?

[Not Chara]

I might eventually vote Nosferatu, but I know there are (at least) 3 wagons better than that.

tell me why their opening post wasn't RVS.

[Not Chara]

rephrase: tell me why a random vote citing your signature while a player is on V/LA is alignment indicative.
Gamma: they claimed it before replacing out, Gamma.

[Not Chara]

Checked, don't see it.

Just stop posting before you earn a face-palm meme ...

Give me your read on me if you want that to even be a possibility.

is this the scumhunting i was supposed to shut up and let you do? :>

[Not Chara]

both gigabyte and Nahdia use 'they', not 'she'. just pointing that out, carry on.

[Not Chara]

i said

before

they replaced out, not

when

they replaced out.

pedit: ...what the hell? no, i was correcting you on your pronouns. there is more than on nonbinary player on mafiascum, shockingly enough.

[Not Chara]

Haha man and here I thought you were just pulling that lame reaction test where you try to lock a scum replacement into a bad claim. Turns out my predecessor actually did do that!

I'm still not gonna confirm or deny whether I'm a BP, but thanks for pointing it out!

Nahdia, I'm disappointed.

how might you expect town Nahdia to respond?

pedit: ...what the hell? no, i was correcting you on your pronouns. there is more than on nonbinary player on mafiascum, shockingly enough.

You implied it meant something.

i did not. i was merely trying to be unobtrusive with my correction.

pedit: the juxtaposition of those two votes is a bit priceless.

[Not Chara]

@Chara: do you think Cakez vote influenced me? Because that was clear OMGUS.

why would SirCakez's vote on you influence your vote on Creature? i'd assumed the votes happened at the same time.

pedit: i admit i was on the crew for that cruise, though only on a whim.

[Not Chara]

OMGUS when I was already scumreading you before you voted me? Seems legit.

You see my vote on you, you vote me back
Looks like OMGUS to me.

everyone, i have a very important announcement. you're no longer allowed to vote a player who is already voting you, or was at any point.

[Not Chara]

i didn't get that from the way you explained it in 829.

[Not Chara]

House, i really don't like this discrediting of Gamma's abilities while still calling him town. i've read him play before, he isn't useless all the time.
he's just scum here.

[Not Chara]

if you haven't figured out who Blade Dancer is already, you aren't going to.
just play with them as they are.
pedit: this one just finished. electing not to answer about other games.

[Not Chara]

House, i really don't like this discrediting of Gamma's abilities while still calling him town. i've read him play before, he isn't useless all the time.
he's just scum here.

That's just it, I'm not discrediting his abilities. That's why I expect more from him. Duh.

I just know he's a vote magnet.

so far, all you've had to say about Gamma is that he's lynchbait and you're loathe to vote there, and that he should be playing better than he is.
i acknowledge i was wrong there, what i should have said was 'discrediting Gamma's play in this game' while still calling him town.

[Not Chara]

Pepto got wagoned in Mafiaception, he wordlessly flaked out, he was scum
Same thing happened here

i agree, giga's replace out looked town, pepto's was null. or scum, based on how you feel about the timing. i've seen town flake in the same way so i'm not sure it's indicative. and a sample size of one doesn't make meta for me.

[Not Chara]

if you haven't figured out who Blade Dancer is already, you aren't going to.
just play with them as they are.
pedit: this one just finished. electing not to answer about other games.

What is this PEdit reacting to?

when you asked me what other games of yours i'd read.

[Not Chara]

no. i'm in class. :>
at most i can answer a quick question.

[Not Chara]

their style is a bit weird. i've never playef with them before, so House's arguments about the quality of their play is lost on me.
i kind of like their attack on House, even though i'm not sure i agree.

[Not Chara]

Magna: so, you misreading Nahdia means every person who read them correctly is scum. they're

that

scummy.
whiteknighting is not a claim you can make unless you can point to where i've drawn conclusions about giga's alignment where they couldn't exist. you've not.

UNVOTE:

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Gamma
ignore my earlier insanity. back soon.

[Not Chara]

who is this 'she' you speak of?
Gamma, you aren't going to get very far with textbook tells. i'm not even sure that is one. you have to look at intent.

you might actually be town for the lack of noticing how you've been flipping votes yourself. from Nahdia onto pepto because they 'redeemed the slot', then pepto even though you disagree with the way the votes on the wagon happened.

shouldn't it make you pause and think if those voting pepto didn't give good reasons?

[Not Chara]

i'm way off from where the thread is at. going to grab my laptop to read.
Magna, giga's replace out was town. i've explained why. you disagreeing with the read is fine, but not grounds for a call of whiteknighting. i've been wked before, i know what it looks like. if you were so sure of Nahdia being scum, whiteknighting shouldn't have been a thought that occured to you except as a way to discredit my read. it's pre-flip association of the scum kind.

[Not Chara]

a few things: ignore 1014.
UNVOTE:
i was wrong, i think this is town Gamma after all. i was distracted by his demeanor, which didn't remind me of him in previous town games. now i'm thinking that was genuine frustration, his play now is more like the actual scumhunting i was looking for.

Gamma: i was strongly assuming multiball/serial killer from the get-go, only because of the flavour. that does make sense. however, i don't know if voting to draw is an indication of third parties. is that what it usually means, older players? i'm wondering if the option for a draw (which is lesser than a win no matter how you look at it) has more to do with Undertale flavour itself and less with the anti-town alignments in the setup. i could be wrong, i've never seen a mod put that rule in before and didn't really notice it until Gamma brought it up.

[Not Chara]

Nahdia: i still maintain that gigabyte looked town. Nahdia's entrance is actually not that good, i should have looked at them more closely. i just remember their House scumread and liked that they went there. Nahdia, are you caught up?
their replace in is mainly null, they haven't really done much. their tone rings false, but i imagine that's on purpose and NIA.
McMenno's town.

i read 933: Creature was the first one to unvote zakk. why bring me up here but not him? Creature said the wagon had stalled, i told him it had not. i unvoted zakk later because he explains his behaviour and it made sense to me.

pedit: pfft. thank you. i'd still like an experienced player to weigh in on your question about it indicating SK/multiball.

[Not Chara]

Magna: so, you misreading Nahdia means every person who read them correctly is scum. they're that scummy.
whiteknighting is not a claim you can make unless you can point to where i've drawn conclusions about giga's alignment where they couldn't exist. you've not.

Nice reaction. Can you point to where I said everyone who reads them correctly is scum? Nope you can’t. I have chosen you for your ISO specifically in conjunction with your declaration that "Giga's replace out is Town" which isn't a reasonable conclusion from an uniformed viewpoint. Funny that you are also trying to explain to me the ‘rules’ of hunting scum …

again, you disagree that giga's replace out was towny (it was), and use that as a reason to call my stance unreasonable.

[Not Chara]

hey I get you have the ego of a small sun but it ain't impossible for town to scumread you, weirdly enough

wait, this was to Gamma? since when does he have an ego?

[Not Chara]

Still think SirCakez is.

can you talk about this in more detail? i ISOed you for mentions of Cakez, but it's mostly things you say he does as either alignment. unless you were being sarcastic.
and: there's no need to make several one-sentence posts when one will do just fine.

pedit: it means get off the pepto wagon.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez: now why am i missing from your readslist?
i haven't read yet.

[Not Chara]

look at that, you did remember me. <3
never mind. i'll catch up now.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Magna
still have read nothing besides recent pages. i'm a lazy, lazy student.
zakk, help a div out.

[Not Chara]

hey, Peregrine, please continue to be town. thank you.
my magna vote was ignored. i'm crying. come on, zakk, Snarky isn't a fun wagon.

[Not Chara]

am i scum, Magna?
McMenno, i forget who is a better wagon for you. remind me.
zakk is scummier than Narna, if you compare them. funny, because i think zakk is town.

[Not Chara]

first one to bring up Amished tell gets a bar of chocolate, from me.

[Not Chara]

House gets a chocolate bar. it's poisoned. i expected better from you.

pedit: oh, i forgot about that question. i read the rules, i just didn't internalize that vote: draw part because my eyes glaze over when reading 'standard' rulesets. let's call this a learning opportunity to me. i bet half of the players on this site could say the same. why do you ask?

[Not Chara]

Gamma: it's an old tell where when a replacement criticizes the play of who they replaced, they're scum. it's actually not all that alignment indicative, but the point is that town wouldn't really care about the play of who they replaced but scum would.
in practice, it depends on the player and not so much on their alignment. especially when Amished is a tell that is fairly well-known.

[Not Chara]

my attention to detail is fine when i care to apply it. my passive perception score is just really low. a seven, or something.
for example: when i've read what appears to be the same ruleset five times over, i start skimming the rules that aren't unique to the game.
on the other hand, i noticed that you've spelled ad hominem incorrectly at least twice now. :>

pedit: i don't know you at all, and don't pretend to. just jokes, friend.
still a bad reason to jump on that wagon.

[Not Chara]

Gamma: it's an old tell where when a replacement criticizes the play of who they replaced, they're scum. it's actually not all that alignment indicative, but the point is that town wouldn't really care about the play of who they replaced but scum would.
in practice, it depends on the player and not so much on their alignment. especially when Amished is a tell that is fairly well-known.

that's not really what it's supposed to be.
it's not "critcising" your predecessor (sometimes they just play like shit), it's calling your replacee SCUMMY
the original idea was how the f*ck would you see SCUM MOTIVATION in your 'town slot.'
it's useful when applied correctly...it just tends not to be a lot of the time.

this is a good correction.
when i said 'criticize', i did mean 'call them scum', but i could see how my wording lends itself to misunderstanding.
what do you think of House's vote there?

[Not Chara]

i know you were. but your timing was rather bad.

[Not Chara]

what is your point with the Amished tell? my point is it's a bad tell and i'm questioning House using

that

as the timing to finally place his vote on the pepto slot.

you keep saying that, 'don't want to make waves'. it was magna's response to my question about why zakk didn't vote him, too. he called zakk scum afraid to start pushing Magna lest he get pushed back.
i'm trying to engage, but the players i'm talking to don't happen to be around right now. and taking my demeanor to be anything other than how i always post is plain incorrect.

question for you, Andrius. 1283. what do i have to do with Creature, exactly? why pick this comparison?

Magna is scum who i plain don't feel like casing right now. don't worry, i'll get to it. if i don't decide to change my mind to you, of course.
finally: explain why i want to look like i'm posting content. i'm under no scrutiny for lack of content. i have a lot of posts, but have not been accused of fluff. no one accept Magna has called me out on neglecting to respond to things, and no one even brought up that i wasn't voting for a period of time. (in my experience, this is pointed out a lot, so honestly i was kind of expecting it)
my place in this game is not one where i need to look like i'm forcing content. you aren't looking at motivations, just the surface. why is that, Andrius?

off-topic question: why on earth would i be a hydra? what would me being an alt or hydra even have to do with the Amished tell or my feelings about it?

[Not Chara]

that's a bit arbitrary. why is it townposting?

[Not Chara]

sure, on page 26.
you had plenty of material for pepto. not things i agree with, but i can still see the thoughts there. but you choose the Amished tell as the timing to place your vote? it's so odd. like you were waiting for a good time instead of just pushing your scumread without regard for timing.

pedit: ...well, i got that from the initial statement. why wouldn't scum post that they were being lazy? it's certainly better than being lazy and saying nothing about it.

[Not Chara]

not quite. just let me see what they say.

[Not Chara]

House: boo to you. explain why that happened instead of deflecting. the simplest of explanations would suffice. i keep disagreeing with your tell and you've nothing to say about it?
is Amished a good tell? defend it. or just tell me it's good and to sod off.
i've nothing to do with this.

better yet, tell me your read on me. i really can't tell what it is. :>

pedit: ok, thank you Nahdia.
Gamma: let me tell you something a friend of mine told me, newish player to newish player. we weren't playing mafia, but i think it applies. try not to let yourself be swayed by the opinions of others until you've had time to make up your own mind about it.

Magna: it doesn't ignore that, those points were brought up by House, but that isn't what i'm talking about. i'm talking about

that

tell in particular.
and, here's a hint: this isn't a push. this is what we call pressing for information. it's what some players do when trying to determine a player's motivation in what they've done, to better sort them.

[Not Chara]

am i scum, Magna?
McMenno, i forget who is a better wagon for you. remind me.
zakk is scummier than Narna, if you compare them. funny, because i think zakk is town.

define

scummier.

scum intent?

scum potential?

scum skill?

hm. let's say scum tone and scum potential. i could easily see players reading your wording and baiting as scummy. i'm not, but it's a reasonable position to take.

Zakk, can we get a wagon going that's not a steaming pile of crap?

how do you feel about an Accountant wagon?
i would be willing to buy that Magna will die early as town.
if i hadn't just finished this game, where Magna was town but i was purged over him. and my play that game was

awful

. it could be an isolated incident.

Skullduggery: thank

God.

we killed Jerry. i was going to policy that if anyone claimed it.

[Not Chara]

Cakez: i'd have to go through Magna's posts for it. i'll get back to you if i continue to want to push them. depends on interest. if i wait long enough, zakk might do the case for me. :>
there are some other enticing options on the table. i'm not scumreading him for his zakk push. like i said, i could see the reasoning for that. hell, i was on that wagon for a while.
zakk: you're after my own heart. you and Cakez. i could wagon Andrius. out of Magna and Andrius, players who are both sort-of-pushing-me-but-don't-want-to-give-up-pepto, i don't think both of them as scum would be pulling off the same song and dance. so i must choose between the two.
Blade: who are your other strong scumreads besides McMenno? i mean, McMenno is kind of null for me. i don't agree with your early case, he hasn't done anything that makes me want to lynch him, but i don't trust him as town either.
Ankamius: that's all you have right now?

townbloc: zakk is great, Gamma is excellent, House is... eh. probably town but i have some hangups? Cakez is great, Nahdia is good, SlySly is eh... was looking town and i'm not at null there. McMenno is probably the lowest read for me in your proposed list. i've looked through him a few times but found nothing that makes me feel strongly. i'd look at a towncase.

who i'd wagon: Accountant, Magna, Andrius.

[Not Chara]

Cakez: you have a lot of experience with Nahdia? i think they've explained themselves adequately. i disagree now, but your tone does make you sound a bit fake.

Blade: hm, i might go for Ank. i haven't really looked at him yet, so i'm not sure.
Nosferatu for inactivity? is that usual for them, or no?
and Shiro is barely a player, i had to check to remember they were here. they claimed miller then went on V/LA because they were busy.
i at least know why you're scumreading Nahdia. Ankamius is my favourite for a lynch out of those, but i don't feel your full list very much.

[Not Chara]

"i mean, McMenno is kind of null for me. i don't agree with your early case, he hasn't done anything that makes me want to lynch him, but i don't trust him as town either."
not townreading McMenno. he's just.... bleh, do you understand me here.

i knew it, but didn't want to out you. sorry, Titus. you have kind of a distinctive aura about you that might be hard to cover up.
on the other hand, hello. <3

[Not Chara]

they (Nahdia) lied? if you've quoted that before, could i see it again?
if i must, i'll case Magna. tomorrow. i don't want to do work today, i have an assignment due and i'm crying. mafia is my procrastination tool. (not actually crying.)

pedit: confirmation came when you quoted your own reasoning for the 'always scum' tell. :> but your posting style had me on it before that.
zakk: Firebringer was a serious guess from you? i don't believe you. hahaha.

Creature: what do you mean, 'nobody'?

[Not Chara]

Sly: special response, just for you, even though i should still technically be doing my work.
zakk didn't reach L-2 because Creature jumped off, before i did. then zakk explained themself and i saw the town utility in what they were doing, so i unvoted. did you miss that? i also said this earlier, but you must have missed that too.
you're looking for suspicion in the phrase 'will watch zakk' when it isn't there. zakk's a townread. was a townread when i unvoted. but a competent player and not one that i would be sheeping for the rest of the game or implicitly trusting. that's all it meant.

i'll happily talk more about zakk, because my jumping off the wagon had nothing to do with their L-2 surprise and in fact, i was not the first one to jump off zakk's wagon when they were at L-3. weird that you missed that. amazingly, i routinely 'go dark' for several pages to take care of such things as school, leisure time, and personal hygiene.

the last time you mentioned me was 772. why didn't you follow up on these questions (i've been actively posting since then) and only now bring them up using an out-of-context quote from myself?

@the Magna wagon: excellent. more.

[Not Chara]

ugh. the above post is miserably ugly. that's the last time i post more than four lines on my phone, talk about repetitive wording.

[Not Chara]

being lazy

and

unnecessarily verbose makes wall-cases a pain and concise arguments an impossibility. let's do our best, shall we?

1492 is entirely missing the point of my pressing of House, and in fact nearly every sentence in it is a misrepresentation or overblowing of some situation or another.
general lack of the 'figuring things' mood i've come to expect from town in

some

capacity.
there's a lot of language that suggests 'this player is scum, now i shall proceed to look at every one of their posts in that light and talk about the possible scum motivation there as if it's the only possible explanation'.

pedit: that's my scum perogative, alright. i sheep my partners. it's a good tactic, no one ever notices. :>
honestly, i forgot entirely about those questions until you brought them up now. it was mostly that one wrong point that i'd dismissed as wrong already. and that claim that no one had been questioning me was true, because you asked me questions but did not call me out when i neglected to respond. i wasn't saying no one had asked me questions or told me to clarify... no one had called me out for ignoring previously-asked questions. my point there was that i wasn't under

any

kind of pressure to force content like Andrius was claiming.

[Not Chara]

Sly: really? so your problem with me was essentially solved by my explanation?

[Not Chara]

I post more than once a day, I'm too active to really commit to that. Yeah the zakk thing was a tantrum, but a justified one imo

"But a justified one imo"

that post went from something like a town post to sounding like a scum post ... just like that

Accountant is scum.

this.
could you give me some town posts from McMenno? i know you read with gut, mostly, but even that is good for explaining things. i don't have a good read on him.

[Not Chara]

oh and.
Accountant: that's not what confbiasing town looks like.

[Not Chara]

sure, okay. McMenno can be town.
and SirCakez vs. Nahdia is

probably

TvT.

[Not Chara]

not chara why are you a zakk lackey

why wouldn't i be?
amendment to previous post: i meant to say, McMenno can be town for now.

[Not Chara]

i know very few of you.
so, by judging play in

this

game alone, i like zakk's reads the best. their demeanor doesn't hurt either. so there you go.

Sly: has removed some of my doubts about that slot. consider my vote a 'yes' for the townbloc.

[Not Chara]

House, what is with you and your bad reasons for getting onto wagons with thread sentiment against them? Nahdia and Narna were both popular choices, but your votes on them stink.

Nahdia, why haven't you voted Magna already?
i don't like your last few 'hey look there's a wagon on me now' posts.

[Not Chara]

Oh here comes to pivot. Go Not Chara go. I pivot gracefully into justifying a vote on me. You can do this. You can stick the landing. I believe in you. Go for the gold, my friend.

yeah, not answering my question there.

pedit: nothing doing, House. you aren't on my lynchlist yet. but it would be

lovely

if you engaged with me when i address you.

[Not Chara]

Nahdia, your reaction here is actually baffling. apparently every time i address a player with concerns, i'm calling them scum. paranoia? or do i come off as much more aggressive than i intended? either way, i don't like it.
you offer to survival vote if there's a wagon on your bottom five. i then point out the wagon already on one of your bottom five players, plus your reaction to the building wagon. if you're trying to not be lynched, you're doing a terrible job.

pedit: that would have been a good answer, Nahdia, if you'd said that earlier.
House: oh. you're one of those.

[Not Chara]

JUST VOTE ME ALREADY NOT CHARA IT'S REALLY GODDAMN OBVIOUS YOU'VE BEEN GEARING UP ALL PAGE TO DO SO.

right around the point you started spiralling, actually. funny how that works.
if you're calling me scum, don't do it in a roundabout fashion. these accusations don't fit when i'm in your null list. :>
i'm giving you chances here. plenty. your show isn't doing anything but obfuscating my read. how is this performance aiding your scumhunting, if i might ask?

Sly: hear hear.

[Not Chara]

Nahdia is the type of leader I want having the keys and the nuclear codes.

do you think Nahdia's town Sly?

this AtE is wrecking my head, i need a think-tank

if it's AtE, it's calculated. this isn't how they really feel.
i don't mean to say that kind of behaviour could only come from scum.

i agree with Peregrine about that replace-out post.

[Not Chara]

it's not my intention to AtE, sorry. I'm just trying to call out that Not Chara really does look like it's trying to switch into voting me whereas they've been townreading me prior now that a wagon is forming. Which is scummy. Hence why you're now around the null tier whereas earlier you were in town. Again; mixed vibes.

i'm trying to understand you. if you'd been watching me play, you'd understand that.
and if i wanted to lynch you because there's a wagon... Nahdia, there has been a wagon out for your slot since the game started. it's ebbed and flowed like the tide, but it's always been there. look at your play and tell me what provoked my questioning. it's not the wagon, it's just you.

[Not Chara]

1741: actually a... good point on Titus?
see my signature for reasons i'm not a 'she', magna.

no lie, i've had to check the first post at least 5 times to make sure i have it clear on who replaced who. the names Nahdia and Narna have me mixing them up, despite their play being dissimilar. one more time for my forgetful self: Narna is pepto, Nahdia is giga.
so, correction. there hsa

not

been a wagon out for nahdia this time. the only wagon was the early one on giga.

[Not Chara]

Nahdia: i didn't like 1714 or onward. question for you is: why are you not considering that those posts might have something to do with my issues with you? you see the wagon and assume that's the reason, but you don't have the self-awareness to look at your own posts?
you had me as a townread and brought me down to null because you

perceived

that my feelings changed because of the wagon on you. that behaviour is

exactly

what you're saying i'm doing now.

as for my mixup: i confused 'general thread sentiment against Nahdia' with 'wagon on Narna that won't go away' with 'early wagon on giga'.

Magna: you can use 'they' as well...

[Not Chara]

Nahdia: i didn't like 1714 or onward. question for you is: why are you not considering that those posts might have something to do with my issues with you? you see the wagon and assume that's the reason, but you don't have the self-awareness to look at your own posts?
you had me as a townread and brought me down to null because you perceived that my feelings changed because of the wagon on you. that behaviour is exactly what you're saying i'm doing now.

Explain in excruciating detail what about those posts you didn't like and I'll give some thought to the idea that the

ridiculous

levels of opportunism you displayed in the last page are a coincidence.

you're exaggerating.
reasons for townreading Nahdia are: giga looked town, giga's replace-out looked

really

town, and Nahdia's posting is null-to-good so i've no reason to change the read.
Nahdia is putting on this casual tone, but if they always do that it's still just playstyle. and it feels like they're owning it enough that it's not strange to me. i also find their interactions with Cakez to look like biased TvT where both players are misapplying meta.
then, we come to those series of posts.
meant 1715, by the way. the readslist post before that was fine.
i plain don't like 1715. the first part would have been fine, it reads like a joke, but the 'wondering why you're townreading her' implies that either you now have some sort of a problem, or you don't but can't point to why you like her.
1716 because there was a Magna counterwagon that was already going, yet later you say 'hey but

actually

i want to push other players as scum, not magna'.
1719, i actually like. i agree with that one.
1724 just gives me bad feelings. either you're doing as you say and trying to go out with accurate reads, or trying to stave off the wagon with your demeanor.
1726 is good.
1728 is terrible because you're expecting me to pivot there when all i'd done is bring up concerns. instead of talking to me you put on a show.

[Not Chara]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you know what. You can still explain it if you want. I accept your explanation that it really was just awkward timing. Far be it from I to demonize you from ditching a sinking ship. The point stands that I haven't liked you over the last few pages prior though. Your sheeping of zakk has been awkward, in my reading.

but hey, this is nice. i like thought explanation.

[Not Chara]

i can sympathize with knee-jerk bad reactions. deeply.

Creature: your scum-list is alright. i have to know why Peregrine is in there. and Maxous?
Magna: are you actually town?

[Not Chara]

i don't know their metas, Creature.
Peregrine isn't lurking.

pedit: yes. and reconsidering.

[Not Chara]

Creature: that's what i'm saying. why was he not crossed out? noting that he actually has a presence in this game should have been enough, if him not lurking is enough. no? did you not notice?
House: so you agree Nahdia is town.

Titus: i've looked at it extensively. i can't get a good translation due to differences in how my word processor and browser process wingdings. though i noticed the same thing you did.

[Not Chara]

whoops, never mind. Titus, i just translated it. the first letter is an uppercase D, the second is lowercase. the message translates just fine.

[Not Chara]

whoops, never mind. Titus, i just translated it. the first letter is an uppercase D, the second is lowercase. the message translates just fine.

How did you translate it?

i opened a word processor and wrote the supposed actual translation in wingdings.
i wrote it like this:
Dear oh dear. Rushing is how mistakes are made, you know.
writing it like that exactly gives a perfect match.

another thing: House is town, i think.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine: i don't know. a chart, or trial and error. i can't do it in the browser due to the different styles on wingdings.

something of note might be that Gaster speaks in caps-locked wingdings. the message is written in normal case.
Pepto did not write it. Pepto's translation was in all caps, to go with how Gaster normally speaks.

[Not Chara]

Don't underestimate Nahdia.

what are u tryna say fam?

oh hey that reminds me i should update my wiki

i checked the link and... have no clue what creature is trying to say with his. his explanation tells me what the intent was, though.

Since you made these large posts I don't read anyway.

i'm pretty sure Magna would make those large posts as either alignment. i'm wondering what parts of the game you actually

have

read.

[Not Chara]

Sly: do you know the flavour?

[Not Chara]

Peregrine: i don't know. a chart, or trial and error. i can't do it in the browser due to the different styles on wingdings.

something of note might be that Gaster speaks in caps-locked wingdings. the message is written in normal case.
Pepto did not write it. Pepto's translation was in all caps, to go with how Gaster normally speaks.

It's a gif of wingdings. He apparently translated and posted it within 6 minutes.
Or, he already knew what it said.
Which means he is either responsible or knows who was responsible.

nothing doing there. Pepto is an Undertale fan. you should see how quickly an accomplished Homestuck can translate Alternian text.
i'm not buying that Pepto typed it. the cases would have matched in that case.
it's possible they knew what it said. but flavour-wise, the notion of any sort of private communication with Gaster is kind of reaching.

[Not Chara]

and... that. i didn't notice.
damn, apparently i do have a shit eye for detail. :>

pedit: Nahdia, the wingdings message was posted before the deadline was changed. no?
i do agree with the notion that Skullduggery wrote the message themself.

[Not Chara]

Sly, read recent posts on the subject.
and ignore my earlier question about your flavour knowledge. i remember you saying you didn't have any.

[Not Chara]

Stop trying to rolefish and frame Pepto to make up for a shitty read.

ha. Titus, i might listen to you after all.

i checked out those Nahdia scumgames. could someone provide me with some towngames to compare with?

[Not Chara]

if that's your argument, Peregrine, then please look at my rebuttal. that translation was pure Undertale fan fervor.
Pepto translated it, got: "Dear oh dear. Rushing is how mistakes are made, you know." then chose to post it in capitals.
they didn't write it. i'm 100% sure.
they

might

have known what it said beforehand. but that's a reach.

[Not Chara]

i'm

not

one of the fans good at translating Gaster-speak. not my forte.
good thing Nahdia got it, because i gave up halfway through.

[Not Chara]

also, it was 'it took five minutes' not 'it took five nights'. i think the rest is correct.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

[Not Chara]

god, ignore me again. Nahdia's translation was correct. how did i get minutes?

[Not Chara]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

Case is not relevant.

Ask instead what would be the point of Pepto extending the deadline 1.67 years?

case is very relevant, the characters are different, hence the translation is different.

[Not Chara]

Magna, the point is that Pepto's translation does

not

match the actual translation in terms of case. this points to pepto translating it on their own, and writing it in all caps because Gaster always speaks in all capitals in the game itself.
if they had faked translating it, already knowing what was said because Pepto wrote it... it would also have been written in capitals.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine. because the

posted message

was given in normal case. say it with me now. if anyone gave that message to the mod to post, it was in Normal Case.

pedit: because Pepto didn't write the flipping message, is why.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: PeregrineV

He posted a wingdings image but doesn't even know capitalization matters when creating them.

Why did Pepto post his translation in all caps when he gave the message to skull in normal case?

I don't even care about any of that.

You didn't even know that capitalization matters when translating even though you'd have seen that when you made your own image if you actually made it yourself.

Ergo, you didn't make it.

Ergo, the one that made the first one made the second.

Ergo, you're scum.

eh... those two images look nothing alike. they're a different shade of purple, different size, and one is transparent. (though that last point could be simply due to the time involved in creating it)
plus, it would be easy to not realize capitalization matters if all you're doing is writing in wingdings in a word processor. you only notice the difference between cases when translating.

[Not Chara]

Yeah, no.

Zakk was at L-3. Pepto did the day elongation to prevent town slapping the hammer on him. He did it and knew what the message said without having to translate it.

Not Chara just said that she knew Pepto submitted it. She talks about caps/not caps, which nobody really give 2 shits about, since the point was Pepto did the message.

House all but called me town, then when I start down the road to catching Pepto and NotChara, he votes me.

Zakk was to be saved.

Scumteam includes:

Narna
Zakk
Not Chara
House


Convince me otherwise.

Vote: Narna

oh, my god. Pepto did not submit it. that has been my mantra since you began this ridiculous crusade. caps vs. not caps DOES matter because that's how the translation works, plus you've ignored all of the evidence contrary to your beliefs.
that someone can translate this quickly if they're a fan. (pepto was)
that they were in different cases, and that Nahdia also posted a translation just as quickly.

[Not Chara]

Peregrine. because the

posted message

was given in normal case. say it with me now. if anyone gave that message to the mod to post, it was in Normal Case.

pedit: because Pepto didn't write the flipping message, is why.

Bingo, he translated it. He is now Narna.

Pepto said a 3rd party did it. I'm guessing Pepto was talking about the days ending changing. He didn't clarify.

With that said, is it possible Pepto was removed forcibly from this game for revealing too much? Just sayin...

Nahdia translated it, not Narna.
Pepto said it was a third party because Gaster makes the most sense as a third party. because, again, Pepto knows the flavour.

[Not Chara]

House: did you ignore where i pointed out how different the two wingdings codes are? you're both being ridiculous, and this needs to end.
Sly: the suggestion that Pepto could have been removed forcibly is just as laughable as all of the other things flying about right now.

[Not Chara]

Sly: oh, i thought you were talking about Nahdia translating it later.

what does Narna have to do with this conversation?

[Not Chara]

what does Narna have to do with this conversation?

Narna is Pepto. If Narna has an ability of translation that is possibly protown, McMenno, come to the bloc side.

.............?

[Not Chara]

Titus, House is talking about the different message that PeregrineV made...
House: there is absolutely no way Peregrine did not write that message himself. it's literally as simple as having a word processor on hand and colouring it purple. why he would ask the mod to make it or ask Gaster to do it for him, i couldn't fathom in the first place.
as for not knowing that capitalization matters... you only notice that when translating. when typing out the wingdings, it's possible not to notice if you're just typing and the word processor is doing the work for you.

let this end.

[Not Chara]

it's simple enough to not notice if you're just typing it, how many times do i have to say that?
the above wingdings are not game relevant, don't waste time translating it unless you're bored.

Gamma: oh god, please.
what do you think of Creature's meta argument against Nahdia? do you think their demeanor and use of AtE can be reliably applied to discern their alignment?

[Not Chara]

The only person that made this post is Skull and the only person that translated it was Pepto. That's what matters here.

Sly, could you just... tell me your point in plain words? please. i don't even know what you're arguing at this point. is Pepto town or scum to you?

[Not Chara]

@NotChara-

Were you the self-proclaimed Understales expert? I'd like an opinion on 465.

He doesn't know the flavor, so where did he get the quote to put in the image that he didn't even know the different characters about?

Stop being stupid, people.

that isn't an Undertale quote.

[Not Chara]

House: there is absolutely no way Peregrine did not write that message himself. it's literally as simple as having a word processor on hand and colouring it purple.

He didn't even know capitalized letters were different from lowercase letters, which he would have if he made the message himself.

He's a lying scumbutt that got the image from his buddy.

No. That's terribad MOONLOGIC.

I know you saw the difference in the symbols when you made your own image, so you throwing what I'm saying out like that is all kinds of bad.

Titus made an image?

[Not Chara]

Sly, could you just... tell me your point in plain words? please. i don't even know what you're arguing at this point. is Pepto town or scum to you?

1. I gave my allegiance to town bloc
2. I told McMenno to get onboard
3. He told me he wants Narna to hang
4. I presented a reason why Narna could be given a D1 pass
5. I told McMenno, issue the pass and get on the Nahdia wagon

Caught up?

i'm talking about the bloody

wingdings

. what is the reason Narna gets the day 1 pass? is it translating the wingdings? tell me it's not the fucking wingdings. i hate these goddamn wingdings.

[Not Chara]

i'm talking about the bloody

wingdings

. what is the reason Narna gets the day 1 pass? is it translating the wingdings? tell me it's not the fucking wingdings. i hate these goddamn wingdings.

Apparently, you weren't caught up yet. Now?

It's an ability.

If it's town, you use it when your about to be mislynched, to give town time to think it over.

If your scum, you use it when you are about to be lynched, to try and save your ass, or you use it to save a budddy from the lynch.

What was going on when it was used?

i was caught up. stop. stop, please. stop implying things. i'm stupid. i know it probably seems obvious to you. just tell me your fucking conclusions. are you arguing that zakk used it? that Pepto used it to save zakk? why would that give Pepto a pass, anyway?

[Not Chara]

goodness, i'm making myself crazy here. sorry.

[Not Chara]

yes. i got that. and what did that make you conclude about Pepto? plain words.

[Not Chara]

I concluded that message translation is possibly protown.

anyone could have translated it.

[Not Chara]

it is NAI. once one person translates it there's no need for others to do so. if no one had, i'm sure someone would have eventually.

[Not Chara]

are you trying to tell me there's town utility in a fast translation, as opposed to one that would take close to ten minutes?
if you think Pepto is town from it, that's one thing. but are you arguing that the best reason to keep Narna around is as some kind of portable Wingdings translator? i'm not even sure if Narna could translate it that fast. i think it was just Pepto.

[Not Chara]

are you... suggesting Pepto translated that through some sort of role ability?
anyways, the only coded messages we'll see will be in Wingdings. it's just Gaster, that's how he speaks. Undertale doesn't contain any more.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Titus

[Not Chara]

where i'm at with Nahdia is: thought process, changing reads, choice of responses... those look town.
comparing their games, they seem to be a bit closer to their scum style of posting with the AtE and the general tone. but i'm both bad at tone reading and bad at meta reading, so i've decided to listen to my head and not my gut. so Nahdia is town.
Titus, as Blade Dancer, struck me as town. Titus 2: Electric Boogaloo, aka the new Blade Dancer aka the original Titus, could very well be scum. let's see.

Cakez: is she? you know her better than me. right now, i like her more than both Nahdia and Magna.
you know who might be good? Andrius. or Accountant. especially Accountant. thoughts?

[Not Chara]

word salad is my only weapon. i can go on for hours about nothing at all.
you have to work on those heavy handed crumbs, Titus.

so, your McMenno push. i've been working it around in my head and.. yeah, like? i see where town Titus gets that one. you've got precedent for that tell you were pushing so hard. so that's town.
it's the rest of your play that i'm not a fan of. maybe it's your being ill, or tired or.. i'm not really sure what you've been hinting that you're feeling like but it could be one of those. i don't feel like you're throwing your weight around. your interactions with Nahdia, who you want lynched, also lack that oomph. let's talk about that.

pedit: is that a serious wondering, Nahdia? i don't really believe it is.

[Not Chara]

OH GOD TITUS IS GUISED.

somehow, i feel as though giving a player access to Titus's account just for this game violates a lot of mafiascum rules.

[Not Chara]

that's what i thought... a first. i guess Nahdia pressing it a few more times made me wonder if they were serious.

[Not Chara]

you know. that post Nahdia pointed out is still really, really bad. just that third line. like, really?
Titus, i was expecting something in return. where is it? are you actually ill/tired?

[Not Chara]

calling Nahdia out for... what? vague language when it's obvious who they're referring to? who on earth expects scum to pull a tactic like the one Magna is describing?
then again, what scum would present that as a real reason to scumread Nahdia? i don't think Magna is scum for his play anymore, it's just plain weird.
but Nahdia calling that out makes sense to me.

[Not Chara]

where i'm at with Nahdia is: thought process, changing reads, choice of responses... those look town.
comparing their games, they seem to be a bit closer to their scum style of posting with the AtE and the general tone. but i'm both bad at tone reading and bad at meta reading, so i've decided to listen to my head and not my gut. so Nahdia is town.
Titus, as Blade Dancer, struck me as town. Titus 2: Electric Boogaloo, aka the new Blade Dancer aka the original Titus, could very well be scum. let's see.

Cakez: is she? you know her better than me. right now, i like her more than both Nahdia and Magna.
you know who might be good? Andrius. or Accountant. especially Accountant. thoughts?

^Scum probing for an acceptable mislynch. Where is the scum hunting? There is none. Just "who can I lynch?"

i've no need to probe, House. i can see who the town is willing to lynch and who they aren't. if you're calling me scum, at least call me competent.

[Not Chara]

SHOULD I REWRITE THIS IN WINGDINGS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT?

this is the best post in the game

zakk: conspiracy theories, unless i have reason to think they were fabricated beyond their inherent stupidity, are pretty town. why is Peregrine's scummy?

[Not Chara]

Titus: i'm waiting on you.

[Not Chara]

hello, Firebringer! nice to see you.
i was scumreading your slot, but you sharing my opinion on Titus has done good things to that read.
UNVOTE:
not because she's looked better l, but because i got the information i needed. i don't think i can push a lynch here today, so there's no point in it.

[Not Chara]

Narna: my Titus vote didn't have much to do with House, who i haven't been really getting along with this game anyway. but i'm setting that aside for now.
Nahdia: is really running me through the wringer now. i haven't listened to the audio yet, but i plan to.
their assuming daytalk isn't scummy, but i dislike how they did a mod-dive to prove that daytalk is likely in larges. whether or not there IS daytalk is not and should not be the issue. Nahdia just needed to defend assuming it.
time to listen and give another opinion there.
i'm warning up to McMenno. a Titus bus? thinking on it more, zakk's gut is not perfect, and i don't agree with them on Peregrine scun either.

[Not Chara]

oh, i just got to the mod-warning about that. never mind, i won't be listening after all.

[Not Chara]

i dislike how they did a mod-dive to prove that daytalk is likely in larges. whether or not there IS daytalk is not and should not be the issue. Nahdia just needed to defend assuming it.

That was actually a meta-dive on just Skullduggery and it wasn't for the purpose of defending myself it was for the purpose of seeing whether we can assume daytalk or not based on their past games. We can't; they tend to change it up.

good to know.

good timing as well: i think Nahdia is town after all. good arguments for Nahdia scum, really, but i don't want them lynched.

[Not Chara]

Not Chara that Nhadia fence you are sitting on must be painful.

sitting on fences is a good way to look cool to all of the neighbourhood children. even better if you have a yo-yo.
i think Nahdia's town. not voting there.