STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

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I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game

Lolno

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I am so bored, why can't day just start.

Fucking. This.

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yeah but why?

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oh cool this started now.

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i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

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i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

oh thats my bad.

when i said that i wasnt aware that it was a one time could only be used in the pregame power.

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I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.

Why didnt you just say so?

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I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.

Why didnt you just say so?

because voting a player and saying it was 'for pressure' is useless.

i think Sera is town.

hello, TWIE, nice to see you. do you have thoughts?

like about the game?

not really.

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Speaking of reads,

Yume
grapes
farside22
Creature
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Seraphim
TheWayItEnds
Firebringer
Killthestory
Almost50

randomidget
kraskaesque
Cooldog
Skybird
Foxbird
Shiro
SnarkySnowman
McMenno
DrippingGoofball
Klingoncelt

Xkfyu
Reasonably Rational
SirCakez
Not Chara

If there's any scum in the top list, congratulations, you've successfully found a win as long as I live since I'm not lynching you ever. (Well, most likely anyway.)
The middle list is the candidacy for final scum. I'm still waiting on more before I reveal my weapons.

Uh.

Mastin i have like 6 posts and you never townread me early.

this is weird.

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what happened to the Cakez wagon?

i like that one.

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I said, I don't know who my buddies are, you got to give me their names

This is better than fakeclaiming mason with a random player

wow thats like foolproof because a member of the scum team def wouldnt know if there was a traitor or not based on their numbers and power level.

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Good, DGB and Klingon are also town.

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did you miss where SirCakez posted the first list, and Creature commented "too many null reads"?
i'm fairly certain that was the direct cause of the rapid reads change.

Why do I get the feeling you're underestimating SC? I knoe he's NOT naive by any means. He simply would NOT do THAT!

P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*

fuckin lol

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why are you guys talking about cases.

Want to comment on this
It indeed was. I reevaluted after seeing the comment from Creature since he was right, I had way too many nulls.

this post literally says someone said they didnt like my reads so i changed them.

because thats how reads work.

and you guys are arguing about cases.

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if we're waiting for cakez to show up and claim shit.

why would you claim shit for him before he shows up.

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That's pretty much NAI.

if we're waiting for cakez to show up and claim shit.

why would you claim shit for him before he shows up.

Cuz I'm trying to save us from a MISLYNCH. This is not a NAI ability to me. It's TOWN. If it was scum it means scum will ALWAYS have access to an extra vote and "maybe" another extra vote. Also, I know my own alignment, so when someone with THAT ability allies with me I KNOW they're FRIGGIN' Town. They could've just allied with their own scum buddy and guaranteed the extra vote use.

I tried to deter you from voting SC in every way I can while NOT confirming him so he won't be shot at night instead. I kept him low in my reads to make use of that extra vote ability to keep him safe (when that vote reflects on the VC you'd be more suspicious, which means he is still considered a viable lynch for the scum, which means he is not NK'd, which means I get to have one conf!town that I can actually communicate with for a couple more days. Someone who might be willing to listen to me and my crazy stuff when everybody's brushing me off.

SirCakez id CONF!TOWN to me.

this is so many words to not answer my question.

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why are you guys talking about cases.

Want to comment on this
It indeed was. I reevaluted after seeing the comment from Creature since he was right, I had way too many nulls.

this post literally says someone said they didnt like my reads so i changed them.

because thats how reads work.

and you guys are arguing about cases.

Yeah I sorted out some of my null reads that shouldn't have been nulls
Really a huge shift in my reads

you sorted out 5 reads in 10 minutes?

you def didnt just make those up though.

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holy shit what a useless 12 pages.

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VOTE: TheWayItEnds

He hasn't voted the whole game. 12 posts, the most recent one was last Wednesday.

He may have siteflaked, though...

Nope. That's TWIE for you. Annoying but probably not scum.

wow rude.

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dodge til tomorrow when i can actually read.

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dodge til tomorrow when i can actually read.

k.

most of that was terrible.

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btw, Did I mention that I received confirmation that Mastin got my rolePM information and proof that it's not a fakeclaim?

confirmation in what form?

because the implication that claimed mason mastin is withholding information that you're town is a little unbelievable.

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who else has a dayvig?

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well i mean fire said he could give guns.

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people still take fire claims at face value huh?

weird.

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Hey

Snarky, Xkfyu, TWIE, and random

: Do you guys have anything to say about anything that's happened since the game started? It would be nice to have things to go off of to sort you with.

-Cerb

sure thing.

would you prefer i recap the cakez lynch
describe public event information
or get into a giant wallfight with someone?

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hm. i remember TWIE responding to a request for content with snark, and i don't think they responded to my comment about it.

Im sure that first statement is true because i respond to most things with snark.

i dont recall ignoring a follow up comment and your iso is 3 pages long

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yeah but that was cerb asking.

and he got another snarky answer because he was the one asking.

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Aren't you a ball of info.
You join this game to play or just fill a spot?
I'm just curious if you at some point will say something about reads at all.

Well i joined this game to play.

but my playstyle is generally to fill a slot until day 2/3 unless someone fucks up early game and i have to get involved earlier.

plus as far as im concerned we're just waiting around for you to shoot someone today yeah?

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Aren't you a ball of info.
You join this game to play or just fill a spot?
I'm just curious if you at some point will say something about reads at all.

Well i joined this game to play.

but my playstyle is generally to fill a slot until day 2/3 unless someone fucks up early game and i have to get involved earlier.

plus as far as im concerned we're just waiting around for you to shoot someone today yeah?

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What do you think of my case against Shiro and Almost50?

Your case against Shiro and Almost50 based on a mechanic in this game that you think is similar, but not the same as a mechanic in a previous game and the speculation that Varsoon would make the ability the same in both games?

I think its airtight. Just take it and run with it.

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TWIE wants to be useless. Stick him with the sub.

Wow.

Rude.

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Just to clarify.

Farside claimed having a day ending dayvig at the slightest provacation.

And we're lynching instead of forcing her to use it?

Because we want to do this again tomorrow?

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Okay.

But if farside is scum with a day ending day vig.

then we literally wont be able to lynch her when we try.

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aight then.

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titus you literally could not offend me if you tried.

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OK. I am trying to be less of a dick when dealing with people while still retaining that blunt honesty. Feel free to call me out for being rudely inarticulate.

literally dont worry about it.

wow rude is a joke response ive been saying too much irl and it doesnt play as well over text.

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My basement flooded yesterday and I'll get back to this when I can.

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I'd lynch farside tbh.

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TWIE, you're up to claim who you voted for in the beach city event.

I didnt.

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@TWIE: Your allies on Episodes 1 & 2?

No one.

No one.

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so hows this going?

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you know what this site needs.

a minus ISO feature where i can read the game without posts from some players.

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Lol, why would I lynch you? I just want to understand. :/ Not willing to risk mislynching someone who could be practically conftown when things would be cleared up with basically any crystal gems flip.

-Cerb

Cerb, I don't think Yume will be conftown when any gem flips. Do you really think there's a 4+ person masonry combined with Mastina's ability plus my own? Plus the beach event?

Steven is confirmed protown now because Steven isn't scum. Like 100% right now. Never lynching Yume. If Yume is scum, the game is bastard.

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Yeah i mean dgb is controlling my vote today so...

not a problem.

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Skybirds double vote requires using two vote tags per her earlier statement. She can add another vote, but as of now she just counts as 1.

And...Titus there is NOTHING bastard about repurposing flavor and defying player expectations.

Nothing at all.

Yume: are you seriously telling me that we just have to trust that you and the other gems are all completely pro town based on flavor?

-Cerb

The mod specifically told me Yume is Steven Universe. Having her be anything but that is bastard. The mod specifically says Steven Universe gets a hood with Skybird. Steven Universe is not a threat to Earth. Drop it.

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As Steven, I am now going to get get some Cookie Kats
Later

hey since your steven now can you unhide the flip because jesus fuck why would you hide flips.

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Okay, Kraska is the new steven.

I am not pro town enough for this responsibility.

I enjoyed your reign as steven

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lynching farside will certainly help increase the stress. let's do that.

uhhhh.

what

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I actually agree with Magna last post.
Send help

oh god its contagious.

do you feel the overwhelming urge to ignore obvscum and vote town all game?

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is there a reason were not claiming what the gem win condition is?

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aight

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farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

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farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

what happens if you get lynched again?

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i'll settle for DGB if y'all vote her.

I promised I would vote Snarky but apparently the support to lynch Snarky is not there.

i mean at some point we'll have to lynch snarky.

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just whatever was on the chart

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haha the chart says were allying anyway.

fucking lol

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fucking lol that kill.

[TheWayItEnds]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
xk/shadow/creature
snarky/random/twie
fuzzy/sky
farside/kraska/fire

This look good? Speak now.

im moving in with snarky because he requested the honor of my presence

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farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

what happens if you get lynched again?

farside.

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farside what happens if you reach your win condition?

I leave the game with a 3rd party win condition flip.

what happens if you get lynched again?

farside.

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you guys trying to lynch me before i even show up today?

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a guilty in what form?

i assume gunsmith?

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who got it?

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fine.

i guess i go read todays posts then

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mastin why would you choose gunsmith.

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i have 2 abilities.

the first is the everyone post what they did day 1 thing we just did.

the second is that i can vig during the season finale.

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im going to go read todays posts now.

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night

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@Titus:

You have random listed twice. I think the first one should be Shiro? I also have no idea about the DGB-Mastina alliance.

TWIE didn't ally with anyone on E1/E2 and eventually allied with DGB on E3, and THAT is the gateway/link between DGB and the main scum team IMHO.

point of contention here is that dgb allied me.

TWIE did not vote at all day 1 and day 2.....kind of odd since it seemed he was leaning scum on SC.....
I am curious why TWIE did not vote until day 3

this is not correct.

Actually, who is currently in an alliance with twie?

snarky

night

No ally ability?

nope.

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Still up to lynch.

Me too.

We don't need a vig. We got massive advantage with PoE potential.

well thats good.

because it turns out you cant have one anyway.

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oh.

and skybird, shiros, and snarkys are the truthful claims in that list.

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because those are the 3 people whos claims i picked to be corrected.

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he probably talked in the dead thread with varsoon.

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because those are the 3 people whos claims i picked to be corrected.

Why not correct all the dead scum?

because cakez didnt do anything n1

dgb is a traitor doing her own thing.

and that doesnt help me pick someone to vig.

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Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

Dear God why?

It'll appease RR and make the optimal move not lynching you barring a guilty.

You in?

Okay.

Twie: why didn't you say you never allied with dgb?

didnt she claim it when someone asked how we ended up together?

she overrode my submission.

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TWIE
I am confused.....you seem to be claiming vig....what is the difference between your ability and a vig role except that you can kill only during season finale
Is there any condition to your kill ability besides that you can only kill during the season finale
also this means that there is two people with vig ability '' as there was an extra kill last night

what about my comment was wrong... That you didn't vote or you had a scum read on SC. ( or both)

nope thats it.

the part you got wrong is that i didnt vote day 3.

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@TWIE:

So, have you decided on someone in particular to vig if you're still alive tonight?

nope because i cant.

snarky is roleblocking me.

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because varsoon told me all my actions will fail while in this alliance

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Waiting on TWIE. Creature knows my entire role, for the record. Based on the alliance thread + today's posts I have a strong feeling TWIE is not town.

waiting on TWIE for what?

the alliance thread that im ignoring of literally two posts where your first sentence is "i think you're town" because inviting someone you're townreading to an alliance so you can roleblock them makes sense.

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Homestuck:

TWIE: I am vigilante, I shot two obvtown
Town: Lynch within {reasonable scumpool}
TWIE shoots another obvtown
TWIE: Oh he was scummy and I couldn't shoot inside scumpool because scum might bus drive.

oh good. you're still completely fucking stupid.

TWIE: i shot a hard lurker and a negative utility town.
town: shoot at {two obvtown and lurker and 1 scummish person}
TWIE: shoots another lurker
town: hurr durr durr hurr why didnt you shoot our shit scum pool
TWIE: because i told you i wouldnt
town hurr durr why didnt you at least shoot mirhawk if you were scum reading him
TWIE: cause that seemed like an obvious busdrive.
town: no it doesnt, we're retarded

scum team: (bussed mirhawk that night)

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@Varsoon:

can you confirm that votecount is correct? im voting myself?

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snarky is roleblocking me.

If SnarkySnowman were lynched, would you be able to vig?

I assume so.

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let me verify.

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vote: farside

i hate you guys for making me break my not casting a vote streak

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so i was doing the thing yesterday where i drink instead of play this game.

i shot farside

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i dunno.

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i dunno.

That's underwhelming.

-Cerb

i mean.

i submitted farsides name.

shes not dead.

what else do you want.

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but it was -4

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welp.

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welp.

Creature is the only player besides you getting lynched today. Don’t feel the need to vote him, or even pretend to be Town?

I felt a lot better about the prospect of a creature lynch before you started championing it tbh.

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The result was on randomidget though.

Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.

Can we lynch this with fire already?

you can see randoms actual role PM?

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The result was on randomidget though.

Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.

Can we lynch this with fire already?

you can see randoms actual role PM?

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solid deflection.

have you decided which person with better reads than you you're going to blame for having shit reads this game?

or is that just something you do on the fly post game?

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so just on the fly then?

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so just on the fly then?

this does make more sense tbh.

otherwise blaming the person with the best reads in the game as the person with the worst reads in the game wouldnt make much sense.

so why would you do that on purpose unless you completely lack perspective and all sense of personal responsibility.

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I'm doing no scumhunting? You literally just claimed being in a faction that has access to each others role pms. And are now completely trying to ignore that it happened.

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Someone name a single game where a protown faction could share role pms.

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Hey mastin how many wins with town factions could share role pms in gistou?

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The result was on randomidget though.

Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.

Can we lynch this with fire already?

you can see randoms actual role PM?

You seem to be under the impression that I care about your thoughts. Given your earlier response to me I filed you in the "Ignore and lynch soon" pile.

I really like this post where instead of acknowledging it, you went "I'm not answering your questions because you're a meanyface for bringing up how shit I am at mafia"

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Didn’t want to forget this – TWIE is a PoE lynch for me. He’s a Snarky style complete useless slot and I don’t agree with anyone saying “He’s a strong late-game player”. If I wasn’t so strong on Creature as scum he’d probably be my vote.

haha yeah.

remember in soccer spirits when i was so useless that i only voted for 7 slots over the course of the game and literally every single one of them turned out to be scum.

and then you replaced in and only voted for town for the entire game. like literally never had your vote on a scum slot. ever.

and then after it was over you blamed me for not taking the game seriously enough.

because you're complete shit at mafia and you have no sense of perspective because your head is so far up your ass?

creature slot is essentially conftown at this point because of how much you think hes scum. who else do you think is scum so we can conftown them as well?

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who else do you think is mafia.

so i can conftown them.

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alright then.

keep trying to take potshots at me then.

maybe you can be the worst player in this game too like you were in soccer spirits.

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oh soccer spirits being poorly balanced is why moi had the worst reads ive ever seen.

that makes sense

if moi just tells us his reads we can lynch people not on the list and basically guaranteed win the game.

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did you message varsoon about that?

answerign you privately and answering you in thread are pretty different things.

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you're not sure if you can say that you messaged varsoon

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At TWIE
I don't get why anyone would shoot Far knowing that she was self blocking.......Either you were not paying attention or you had a sure kill on Season finale........

Also cam you explain how the Historical fiction worked. How exactly were the three you picked corrected?

because for some reason i was thinking that at -4 kills couldnt be prevented.


Varsoon sent me essentially that list of claims and then i picked 3 to modify to the truth.
Skybird went from no actions to what was posted
shiro went from allied with fire, no actions to what was posted
snarkys didnt change from no action no ally.

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oh hey this is back.

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id point out that doing VCA with my name even though i didnt cast the vote as ive said now 4 times would make it more innacurate.

but then i remembered that its vca and so its about the same level of accuracy.

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hey fuzzy just in case youre confused the reason im not answering your question is because its really stupid.

like, a lot.

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but now im a little interested in how wild your speculation can get based on you not paying any attention.

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why is it.

that when people pretend to do analysis with votecounts they lose the ability to think?

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thats the one constant with vca.

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how about any sentence where you made a speculation on a wagon based on me being on it?

because DGB was controlling my vote.

which ive said.

many times.

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like i literally havent cast a vote this game thats ended up on a votecount.

and someone you still think you can narrow things down with vca in regards to me.

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id be disappointed in you.

but this is pretty standard for VCA i think.

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if im town.

my vote.

that was placed there.

by scum.

makes it.

an all town.

wagon.

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this is incredible analysis.

can i sign up for this in all of my games.

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like i get that vca works by starting with the conclusion and working backwards but fuck me at least pretend it doesnt.

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lol

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literally nothing he claimed countered my claim in anyway.

but you're right.

2 vig shots every 4 days is completely unreasonable.

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So you get two vig shots....you can use them on -4 or on Season finale
Do you have to ally to use them????

literally did you read a single one of my posts

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i get 1 vig shot.

only usable on season finale.

-4 only pertains to my vig shot insofar as i thought i could kill farside through her aesthetic thing she does.

i dont have to be allied to use it.

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or i guess 1 shot per season finale.