Micro 648: Mystery Box Mafia - 't is gedaan!

[Expedience]

I really do not see any contradiction in House's ISO and his Neapolitan claim when considering the mod error, so I'm believing it. if someone still disagrees I'd like them to point out where

Also, I just realized that Maru claimed vanilla D1, so I'm thinking that the nightkill was made to give more momentum to the NJAC mislynch, since Maru didn't really express any opinion on NJAC during twilight. Since NJAC is now conftown for all intents and purposes (he can still be House's scumbuddy, but I'd prefer a scum!House lynch first), I'm going to have to give Guilty a second look when I reread. House might be scum but picking town!NJAC as an inspect is really weird to do since confirming him as vanilla is derailing an otherwise mislynch.

In terms of reads. Ryan is obvtown, NJAC is psuedoclear, and I know I'm town... House picking NJAC as an inspect is more likely than not town-motivated, so even without scumreads scum are probably in {Guilty, Expedience, Not_Mafia}. ez game ez money $$

also njac what is your secret to sorting Not_Mafia? i'm using poe but I'm cringing as i do it so uh

This doesn't feel genuine

Just because there aren't contradictions in House's posts (and there are, do you seriously believe the whole thing with voting NJAC?), that doesn't make him town. Especially since he claimed under pressure.

[House]

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yet you are clinging onto it as a prize.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

For clarification before I jump to conclusions, what did you mean, House?

Ascetic, a role modifier that prevents him from being protected but leaves him wide open for the night kill.

Strange thing to hang onto, imho... and for all the supposed risk he took, here he is with no results the next day but alive and kicking.

[House]

Especially since he claimed under pressure.

Partially

[RyanK]

@House: Did you believe that GuiltyLion would have kept his role?

[RyanK]

EBWOP: @House: Did you believe that GuiltyLion would have kept his role before he said he has changed his role?

[House]

EBWOP: @House: Did you believe that GuiltyLion would have kept his role before he said he has changed his role?

How should I know?

[RyanK]

and
4. "Why didn't you investigate [x]" and "Why did you keep your ascetic role" [which also, I had already explained] are not legitimate scum-hunting questions, they are busywork. This is the reason why I said a couple days ago that I found House's play to be vaguely scummy.

My posts this morning are why you thought I was scummy DAYS AGO?

I'd say GuiltyLion had indisputably scumslipped. It's too contradictory.

[RyanK]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[RyanK]

@Not_Mafia:

Please participate more. You're alive but not remembered.

[Expedience]

I'm not saying he's definitely scum, he could just be cagey, but he's definitely giving the most scummy pings so far relative to the other posts, especially given a town!Flames

I've played with Not_Mafia a lot. I have experience with him myself. The idea that he'd react in a significant way to a lone RVS vote is a joke.

NJAC presented a good question, made me revisit Guilty's ISO where i found this.

Guilty, why didn't you investigate NJAC if you were suspicious of him?

So I was also a neapolitan in addition to being ascetic, which is why I didn't trade the role.

Why does getting "Vanilla/Not Vanilla" results as well as being untargetable

for anything except kills

make it a desirable role?

You're a sitting duck for the night kill, and your results don't serve any realistic purpose in a role madness game.

Ryan, these were the posts that GuiltyLion was referring to.

House repeated similar arguments later, it's not a scumslip

[RyanK]

UNVOTE:

[RyanK]

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NJAC why are you voting someone who hasn't posted yet

Partly RVS, partly Meta. Do you think I should vote someone different?

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What meta is relevant here? Why are you continuing RVS on page 2 when there are already posts and wagons to be participating in or commenting on?

The meta is about how hard it is to read N_M in my experience. I commented on a few posts in the very same post I voted, so it's not like I just RVSed.
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How is your voting supposed to help you to read N_M?

[RyanK]

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Also I don't like the current wagon on Flames, and am waiting for the responses from Expedience to decide if Ryank wagon is a good one.
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If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?

I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because he's scum. He's not scum hunting.

VOTE: House

Should I say the same of you?
VOTE: NJAC

[RyanK]

@Mod:

Please prod Not_Mafia. It's been 72 hours.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RyanK

[RyanK]

VOTE: RyanK

Reasoning?

[Sméagol]

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GuiltyLion

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RyanK [

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Not_Mafia

GuiltyLion [

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House

Abstaining [2]:

gigabyteTroubadour /

NJAC

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Spoiler: Current playerlist

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NJAC

[2]

House

[3] Maruchan † -

town

- vanilla - killed night 1

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gigabyteTroubadour

[5] Flames682 † -

town

- hashtag doctor - lynched day 1

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RyanK

[7]

Expedience

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Not_Mafia

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GuiltyLion

Spoiler: Days & nights

Day 1

Night 1

Day 2

Deadline is

22-10-2016 00:00:00 CEST

((expired on 2016-10-22 00:00:00)).

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- 15-10-2016 - 16-10-2016

[Sméagol]

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[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RyanK

Reasoning?

My reason is I didn't like your early game posts

What is the case on House, Neapolitan is often confused with vanilla cop, I modded a normal centerwd around it and everyone got it confused

[Expedience]

What is the case on House, Neapolitan is often confused with vanilla cop, I modded a normal centerwd around it and everyone got it confused

House claims that:

He is a neapolitan
He initially got a result of "vanilla" on NJAC night 1
He thought that this was a valid result, and that this made NJAC vanilla town, not because he understood his role (he thought he was vanilla cop), but because he didn't think goon counted as vanilla
Then, he supposedly voted NJAC (who he thought was clear at the time) under the pretense of "getting reactions from guiltylion"
Then, he realized that goon did count as vanilla and asked the mod about his result, who corrected it to NJAC giving a result of VT
The mod has refused to clarify publicly whether or not a mistake was made

All of this is mostly filled in over time after House got questioned (he didn't claim the mod error at first until I pointed out a misunderstanding he expressed of the neapolitan role before claiming), so the narrative is difficult to believe. Like, the excuses for voting NJAC and misunderstanding how neapolitan works don't really mesh properly.

[Expedience]

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Also I don't like the current wagon on Flames, and am waiting for the responses from Expedience to decide if Ryank wagon is a good one.
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If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?

I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because he's scum. He's not scum hunting.

VOTE: House

Should I say the same of you?
VOTE: NJAC

Remember, NJAC can't be scum unless House is also scum because House claimed a VT result on him. You should be voting House if you think NJAC is scum.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

He thought that this was a valid result, and that this made NJAC vanilla town, not because he understood his role (he thought he was vanilla cop), but because he didn't think goon counted as vanilla

Not true, 209.

I absolutely believe what House is saying about his NJAC vote by the way. I'll even make a timeline and attempt to presume exactly WHEN House contacted Smeagol about it. I don't get why it wouldn't make sense.

will see if anything else warrants a response while not phoneposting

[Expedience]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

Okay, he's scum then lol

[House]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

Okay, he's scum then lol

That was before I knew Neapolitan was a VT cop. I clarified with the mod after i was corrected about 209.

Duh.

[Not_Mafia]

@mod What form would you give a Neapolitan their results in?