Micro 648: Mystery Box Mafia - 't is gedaan!

[Sméagol]

Ehh.. You can either become a neapolitan, or look at my older games. I'm not sure if I should be anwsering that.

[Expedience]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7819384 =)

[Expedience]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

I picked RyanK as he had one post, was on a mislynch wagon, and I figured if I got a VT result then I could play it slow and see who tried to push him and why

Neapolitan doesn't give alignment. Goons are vanilla too.

Okay, he's scum then lol

That was before I knew Neapolitan was a VT cop. I clarified with the mod after i was corrected about 209.

Duh.

But your explanation in 356 isn't consistent with that.

In 356: "I thought neapolitan was a vanilla cop because I didn't realize goons counted as vanilla"
In 209: "neapolitan is vanilla cop because neapolitan checks if someone is vanilla and goons are also vanilla"

[House]

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

356. Liar.

[Expedience]

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[Not_Mafia]

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[House]

01100010 01101111 01101111

No encrypted text.

[RyanK]

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Judging by the context house is posting, he thought "vanilla" meant "vanilla town" when he received the result till post 134, where he realized goons were vanilla as well. It all matches up.

[RyanK]

VOTE: RyanK

Reasoning?

My reason is I didn't like your early game posts

What is the case on House, Neapolitan is often confused with vanilla cop, I modded a normal centerwd around it and everyone got it confused

Which posts were you reffering to? Why do you think I'm more scum then the others?

[RyanK]

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Also I don't like the current wagon on Flames, and am waiting for the responses from Expedience to decide if Ryank wagon is a good one.
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If so, why aren't you asking me to clarify what you don't understand?

I'd rather wait to see how things unfold for a bit before interfering in the push on you.

Why are you relying on the situation instead of your own reads?

Because he's scum. He's not scum hunting.

VOTE: House

Should I say the same of you?
VOTE: NJAC

Remember, NJAC can't be scum unless House is also scum because House claimed a VT result on him. You should be voting House if you think NJAC is scum.

If we vote House, it's rather WIFOM if House is town. If we vote NJAC, however, it is with 100% certainty that House is scum. And yet, if NJAC is town, it's WIFOM all over again as to whether House is scum as House could have always claimed his results as it is as scum. So, we should be voting for whoever we are more certain is scum.

@House:

Would you like to share the corrected results? Judging by the result the mod gave you, he would have gave you vanilla results instead of whether NJAC is a VT.

[RyanK]

@Mod:

My vote has changed in post 387

[House]

@House:

Would you like to share the corrected results? Judging by the result the mod gave you, he would have gave you vanilla results instead of whether NJAC is a VT.

The corrected phrasing told me NJAC was a town vanilla.

Yes, town vanilla. Not vanilla town.

[Sméagol]

@Mod:

My vote has changed in post 387

It's correct in the latest vote count (#05), so I suspect you clicked on the link in the OP, which wasn't updated and linked to the previous vote count (#04).

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Spoiler: general timeline of House's read on NJAC

93, 96, 99, 101

Day 1, House has pretty much no read on NJAC and dismisses GuiltyLion's push. The combination of 96 and 99 gives me the vibe that House is more interested in why GuiltyLion is pushing NJAC rather than looking into NJAC himself, since House finds 92 interesting but doesn't care for the rest of GL's push.

134

House's vote on NJAC here feels more like a D1 push you make when you find what someone said or did interesting rather than scummy. It's a vote with the intention of sorting.

163

House is talking about NJAC like he town or nullreads him. It's also an interesting question to ask someone you're sheeping and might otherwise look contradictory (following them while questioning), but looks to me that he's, again, sorting a slot.

168

House is under the impression that Neapolitans get Vanilla/Not Vanilla results. Nothing to really say about this other than to acknowledge it.

186

Now House is starting to talk to NJAC like he scumreads him. I presume that this comes from the fact that he dislikes NJAC's push on Expedience, the read and tone transition at least makes sense to me with what has been happening in the thread.

191

So while House is scumreading NJAC, he's sitting out of the push because he's still sorting him.

209

House's read on NJAC has been relatively fluid and weak, which makes since given the night action result House claims he has ("vanilla" is completely not alignment indicative).

211

And now Expedience calls House out on his mistake concerning Neapolitans. After this, notice the complete lack of discussion on NJAC after this point in House's ISO. I'm assuming at this time, House is PM'ing Smeagol and asking for clarification on what happened.

308

Read this post carefully. House is literally saying that he has an inno on NJAC and is trying to derail Guilty's push on him. This coming out of the blue actually makes

sense

to me... He probably received the mod's PM around this time and now knows for sure that NJAC is town. Reminds me of what Guilty said earlier about innos, and how that change in reads can look awkward.

315

And House outs his result right here...

321

This is totally something House would do btw, reminds me of when he used me as bait in my newbie. Basically, I jumped onto a wagon that House started pushing and then House started "tunneling" onto me (his top townread that game) to see if anyone else would sheep on. The idea behind the gambit was clever, but I saw through it and that was evident because of how I defended myself. Basically House would totally vote his townreads with ulterior motives when he's town and I see the merit behind what he did this game.

356

House tells us here that his interpretation of his "Vanilla" result changed as he was posting, which makes sense with his ISO:

at 163, House is talking about NJAC like he believes he's town, so it's presumable that this is when he thought "Vanilla" meant VT. Then in 186, his language implies a scumread, matching up with his realization he mentioned in 356 and matches up with 209 chronologically. We can assume the mod correction came after 209, as House's language returns to that of a townread in 308.

Point is, you can actually follow the exact transition of House's thought process wrt to his night actions in the thread. There is NOTHING that contradicts his claim in his actions.

This feels like an extremely exploitative push from Expedience, since there's everything in the thread to back up House, yet he keeps pushing on what seems to be a genuine misunderstanding in mod-communications.

VOTE: Expedience

Consider this the stance I'm taking, Expedience. also your push on me was pretty lacking, i got you scumread me but where was the convincing people? the questioning of me? it didn't feel genuine.

[Expedience]

nvm there was a change in interpretation of his results before he confronted the moderator, I get it now.

UNVOTE: House

I'm still not convinced that this makes him town because he could be a scum neapolitan, and the thing with voting a clear. But I think he's almost certainly a neapolitan.

[GuiltyLion]

You wanna mislynch me because I'm not a proper little stereotypical townie? Whatever. But Expedience, you should know damned well there's nothing typical about my town game so you just have yourself to blame.

Assuming that House is scum then this line makes Expedience conf-town, he's talking to Expedience as if he already knows Expedience is town

[House]

You wanna mislynch me because I'm not a proper little stereotypical townie? Whatever. But Expedience, you should know damned well there's nothing typical about my town game so you just have yourself to blame.

Assuming that House is scum then this line makes Expedience conf-town, he's talking to Expedience as if he already knows Expedience is town

I'm talking to Expedience as if he has experience with my play, scum.

[GuiltyLion]

What is the case on House, Neapolitan is often confused with vanilla cop, I modded a normal centerwd around it and everyone got it confused

can you just read House's + my posts

House is scumtelling left and right

[House]

You don't want him to do that.

My posts bear out my claims.

[GuiltyLion]

whoever is town out of NJAC/gigabyte needs to shape up and vote scum!House

like, completely independently of the whole neapolitan claim/results deal, his AtE and misreps on me still speak volumes as to his alignment. Please reread my 318. And also see how he is literally incapable of letting me post anything without rushing in to argue and try to start more game-spamming shit-flinging. He's

painfully

obvious scum.

that's about all I have right now.

[House]

whoever is town out of NJAC/gigabyte needs to shape up and vote scum!House

like, completely independently of the whole neapolitan claim/results deal, his AtE and misreps on me still speak volumes as to his alignment. Please reread my 318. And also see how he is literally incapable of letting me post anything without rushing in to argue and try to start more game-spamming shit-flinging. He's

painfully

obvious scum.

that's about all I have right now.

Attacking my activity now?

Getting desperate bro.

[Expedience]

You wanna mislynch me because I'm not a proper little stereotypical townie? Whatever. But Expedience, you should know damned well there's nothing typical about my town game so you just have yourself to blame.

Assuming that House is scum then this line makes Expedience conf-town, he's talking to Expedience as if he already knows Expedience is town

Really? That could very easily be distancing if we were scum together. I mean, I'm town, but that's not a good argument.

his AtE and misreps on me still speak volumes as to his alignment.

But it's House

Not very sure who is scum here.

Consider this the stance I'm taking, Expedience. also your push on me was pretty lacking, i got you scumread me but where was the convincing people? the questioning of me? it didn't feel genuine.

I don't like this though.

[GuiltyLion]

But your explanation in 356 isn't consistent with that.

In 356: "I thought neapolitan was a vanilla cop because I didn't realize goons counted as vanilla"
In 209: "neapolitan is vanilla cop because neapolitan checks if someone is vanilla and goons are also vanilla"

He's given two contradictory explanations for his behavior. Even if he was telling the truth about "lel i voted my clear for reactions", he can't simultaneously have gotten a "vanilla" (instead of "VT") result on NJAC.

Check my games. I've never been Neapolitan OR a role cop. I thought "Vanilla" meant "Vanilla Town".

Then i realized that goons were vanilla mafia.

For Jesus' sake, my confusion isn't that hard to follow.

356. Liar.

here's yet another reason why House is scum (and Expedience consequently conftown) - he's calling Expedience a "liar" in this post, but he also constantly speaks to Expedience as if Expedience is town, he's repeatedly referred to how strongly he's townreading Expedience. If House truly believed Expedience is town then House would not assume Expedience is lying in any of his posts. Townies don't immediately discredit and accuse their townreads of misleading behavior.

Why would his immediate response to Expedience calling him out for a contradiction be to call him a "liar"? He's scum, aggressively snapping at anyone who tries to push him. House needs to win arguments, not sort alignments.

[House]

If House truly believed Expedience is town then House would not assume Expedience is lying in any of his posts.

That's a steaming pile of bullshit.

[House]

House needs to win arguments

Like, duh.