Mini 1837: Family Mafia (GAME OVER)

[UpTooLate]

Vote Count 3.13

Ranmaru - [1] Gamma Emerald
Elyse - [1] Nachomamma8
Dramonic -
Camn -
SirCakez -
Gamma Emerald - [3] Ranmaru, gigabyteTroubadour, SirCakez
gigabyteTroubadour - [2] Camn, Elyse
Nachomamma8 -

Not Voting - [1] Dramonic

With

8

alive it takes

5

to lynch!

Mod Notes - Tonight feels like a good night for wine.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2016-10-29 13:25:43).

[Nachomamma8]

Now, house has been pretty active. Yet, he has had no push of his own. Or, he'd be voting stragglers when they couldn't really answer for themselves. (Hiplop) His two Nacho votes were both sheeps (Onto Sircakes, then on Elyse) #729 He states that he won't vote Elyse, Nacho, Camn, or sircakes. #641 This is to give his buddy within that pool, a chance to live to D2 without him giving a direct stance. His vote on Postie was a sheep on me. His vote on Dram was proxy. (Which wasn't even trying) I caught House with his pants down in my #1388. He then asks Elyse a question in his #1339. This shows he was lazy and my question to him reminded him he should be trying to determine her alignment. He was in the middle of reviewing Elyse and never concluded his stances. When Camn was making her push on me a page back, House only posted in jokes, not stances on what happened on that page. It's so he could keep his town read on me and whatever stance he had on Camn. I pressed him to give a stance and he replaced out.

What frustrates me about this case is that it focuses on House's votes and absolutely nothing else.

Dramonic also hadn't had a push of his own but Ranmaru apparently didn't notice because dramonic didn't announce to the world that he was just gonna follow SpyreX around like a sad puppy for the entirety of the game. Ranmaru criticizes House for voting Hiplop even though that was a vote he made on his own impetus and it's not like pushing people who flat aren't around a bad move. He says that House saying that he won't vote for a certain group of players means his buddy is in that pool; no, that's god damn bias, that's building a scum case around an action and sure as hell isn't looking at it (because camn does the exact same thing with her day 1 passes). There's nothing to this case beyond this that I can see but boy I'd love to be sold.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. Dram makes sense as a Ranmaru buddy.
If a Ranmaru lynch won't go through I'd definitely join a Dramonic wagon.

[Nachomamma8]

Meanwhile, things that House actually did:

Yup. SpyreX is town.

I liked his early strong townread on SpyreX, I agreed completely. I'm sure one could frame it as "buddying it up to strong town", but I didn't view it that way; I thought the way of describing SpyreX practically begging people to pay attention to him was an approach that made a lot of sense and I'd imagine scum wouldn't belt on about how town SpyreX was if only to avoid being singled out for buddying.

VOTE: Nacho

Let's not lynch Spicy before he has a chance to push somebody.

I'm dying to say he's jalapeno business.

I mean like "too defensive" implies scumminess

Or panicky town.

VOTE: Spicy

Fun wagons are fun.

I don't think that scum tend to blatantly contradict themselves like this within a matter of minutes for the same reasons why House thought SpyreX was town; I think that this is a strong play towards getting attention and it's something that looks classically scummy and few scum players do things that they know will be taken badly unless it's for a higher purpose which this clearly wasn't. His off comment to Giga's and Cakez's conversation shows that he is paying attention to what's going on; if scum is paying attention to what's going on, it makes much more sense for them to form a push of their own if they're able to do it and not too lazy to do it.

Not a fan of his attack on defensiveness.

There are town AND scum reasons for being defensive, and wtf is TOO defensive? Should town just roll over and be lynched to avoid looking too defensive? How does that work?

I just find his push to be Meh, and he's campaigning for town leader with his multiple votes, where he hopped from one to the next when he didn't get a bunch of followers.

Looked tryhard.

Just not a fan of his play.

This is House's original read of Cakez. He misunderstood what Cakez was saying here, but I still think the fact that he's thinking about the games and pushing reads other people aren't really thinking about.

I'll be back later, no time now.

[Ranmaru]

I didn't notice House until Gamma replaced either. I didn't notice Dram possibly being scum with Gamma after him continuing to push Camn after her claim was proven. You have meta to back up your read, I don't. At the time I thought his buddy was in that pool but now I don't think that is the case anymore. I showed all the votes to show he wasn't doing much original things. I'm going to try to be more clear so you can see why I believe he is scum, so you can see the whole picture.

He's still scum. I agree with your reasoning on Dram, especially the difficulty of letting go of a mislynch. Then when I have time I'll re-read Elyse for you and try to give a fuller read on her for you, since you had done the same for me with your Dram read. (I don't promise I'll get it done today but I will get it done)

[Ranmaru]

@

Camn

: I think now is the time for you to go back and think about your #407.

[SirCakez]

and cakez why would you vote outside of me/elyse when i told you i'd be willing to self-vote to get it done?

Why do you care so much if its done today?

tomorrow is mylo if we mislynch today.
imagine why i don't want to end up in mylo with elyse.

Not sure why you'd be concerned about that since you're so sure Elyse is scum?

[camn]

@

Camn

: I think now is the time for you to go back and think about your #407.

When I get home... But I agree. There was something there.
I'm drunk in Vegas right now... Watching the debate. I'm lying the red-eye back home to Korea in 5 hours. I'll be jet lagged... But at my home computer and ready to catch scum. If today can wait, that's my plan.

[camn]

Lying = taking

[camn]

Ps- I'm drunk right now... And I wanna say: this is a great game.
Ranmaru - if you are scum, you are incredible. House, nacho, Elyse... The same.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ps- I'm drunk right now... And I wanna say: this is a great game.
Ranmaru - if you are scum, you are incredible. House, nacho, Elyse... The same.

This post is strange. Why say this right now?

[SirCakez]

shush go back to your corner

[Gamma Emerald]

shush go back to your corner

Who is this to?

[SirCakez]

You lol
It was a joke post.

But seriously 1660 is really bad shade throwing

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. SirCakez I need to reISO you.

[Ranmaru]

Agreed Cakes.

[Gamma Emerald]

If SirCakez didn't have an investigative role I'd drop all my reservations and vote him right now for trying to shut me up.

[Ranmaru]

What is the point in you posting #1666?

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the point in you posting #1666?

I'm saying SirCakez did something I find scummy.

[camn]

No joke, cakes!
You too, especially!
I love you guys. If you are scum .. you are crushing it.

[camn]

And gamma don't fuck with me.
You are about to get power lynched.

[Gamma Emerald]

And gamma don't fuck with me.
You are about to get power lynched.

The hell?
I'M IN HOUSES SLOT YOU IDIOT

[SirCakez]

and now he starts trying to discredit lol

[dramonic]

That is certainly a way to interpret my posts.

EDIT: When camn flips scum I will have the biggest "I told you so" post ready.

[SirCakez]

And gamma don't fuck with me.
You are about to get power lynched.

The hell?
I'M IN HOUSES SLOT YOU IDIOT

THIS IS SO SCUMMY
Being in House's slot means fuckall, he wasn't townie