Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

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Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

what's team moon is that what the mafia team is called? i genuinely don't see where this is listed if it is.

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I was just told this game started and then told not to post so guess what I'm gonna do? POST. OBNOXIOUS. ONE-LINERS. REPEATEDLY.

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[vote|impoe[/vote] BATTORU BATTORU

VOTE: cloudkicker

sad you rolled scum

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VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

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VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

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VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

I wasn't, I just posted it because i could and that's part of my goal as town. It was a genuine thought I genuinely had, it was mildly amusing and it helped me show I was town, so I posted it despite realizing it was stupid.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that? This seems like nitpicking rather than genuine confusion. Still multitasking so I can't look closer to verify that theory.

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VOTE: Impoetic

I am aware that it looks like a dumbtell and it sort of was in that I realized team moon was probably something else before posting it, but decided to post it anyway.

And you did this because ___?

why not? It was a quirky, fun entrance that somewhat proved my alignment in that I probably wouldn't have come up with such a weird dumbtell as scum, and it got reactions. I don't really know what to think of transcend's reaction, but it did get reactions.

so, tldr: idrc

I also haven't read up yet and am multitasking ATM so excuse the late response.

Why were you so focused on proving your alignment rather than looking for scum?

I wasn't, I just posted it because i could and that's part of my goal as town. It was a genuine thought I genuinely had, it was mildly amusing and it helped me show I was town, so I posted it despite realizing it was stupid.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that? This seems like nitpicking rather than genuine confusion. Still multitasking so I can't look closer to verify that theory.

I just don't see a need for you to try show the rest of the town that you're town if you're town.

Your emphasis on genuine worries me as well.

except town does, in fact, have to convince the rest of the town of who is town.

It's not an emphasis if it's one post and I had just started reading the game.

Speaking of reading the game I expected to have time to do so by now and now it's past midnight so I might not get to do much catching up rip

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o hey i finally caught up.

trans is town, cool. sheeping him for the rest of the game.

VOTE: LUV

@smith impo is just awkward regardless of alignment.

I mean I know I can be awkward sometimes and I say that about myself but I'm largely being facetious when I say it about myself and... am I really that bad? D:

also nice dogs transcend.

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Trans is pushing you because it looks like a really badly faked dumb tell. As a wolf, you probably wouldn't want to fuck up your entrance that badly, but it's conceivable that you simply screwed it up. As town, I don't see why you'd want to do this. Even if your goal was to elicit reactions, what could you have learned from it? So I guess the question here is, was this intentional to draw reactions, and if so what have you learned, and if not, what were you actually trying to achieve?

just saw this

no, it wasn't entirely intentional. I did, in fact, not know where "moon team" was listed before realizing it was probably something else. Only now that I came back did I realize it was actually the name for the scumteam (people are saying "wolf" instead of mafia so I'm assuming "moon team" is related) and I just missed the flavor due to blindly /inning after a friend linked the game (JaeReed).

I posted it because I had just seen the game and it was the first thought I had that furthered my wincon, and I wasn't too worried about the repercussions if it didn't help. My wincon does involve earning TRs, though it's not my sole objective.

Done talking about it now because I'm starting to forget what my thought process even was and it's not going to help for me to explain it further anyway

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oh




lol

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omg I just spent like ten minutes reading the wrong game because I clicked a link and didn't notice transcend was the host

ok done shitposting i'll catch up and try in vain to contribute useful things now

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Io has green in her role PM g2k

I'm done with lolhammers after that game. Seriously 4 in a row was bad.

I find lolhammers amusing

If anyone (even myself) gets to L-1 I will hammer without second thought

transcend just claimed scum in the literal sense.

As in, this is literally something scum does, and not something town does, ergo he is claiming scum.

It would actually be really funny if someone got this role pm btw

Spoiler: At least one person will get this PM

Hello xSoniaNevermindx! Welcome to Firework Mafia!
You are a

Vanilla Town

Abilities

: You have your Vote and Voice.

Win Condition:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town player is alive.
Please reply to this PM with your role and alignment to confirm

Since I know that my own one had my actual user name on it

Mhsmith0 just claimed town in the literal sense. It should be obvious how. It's also kind of a towny post.

fuck it you're town again aren't you

still keeping my vote on you for 3 pages out of salt.

It's easy being green

not if you're me

lynched as green all the time either d1 or d2

I have yet to be lynched as town in a game with day length of at least 24 hours. I'm usually lynchbait in 18 minute day phase turbos, but not in legit length games. Heck, I've apparently become obv!town before rvs and shit posting phase was over #bragbragbrag

"Townclaim." Except Transcend's version of townclaim, not the literal version.

I am now at the beginning of page 2 and have read pages 9 and 10 as well as some random posts in a game that was randomly linked in this thread because I'm an idiot. This is farther than I was before. Whoopee.

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omg I just spent like ten minutes reading the wrong game because I clicked a link and didn't notice transcend was the host

ok done shitposting i'll catch up and try in vain to contribute useful things now

LMFAO

This did not flip scum. No way.

This is also Transcend's version of a townclaim

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Compromise: Let's starve them both

Nonononononono never mind I retract my TR on you you evil werewolf monster

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I'll give about 5 examples of myself lolhammering as town if you're genuinely concerned about that.

I'm not it was a joke. I mean, the post on its own was a bit overly self-conscious somehow, but the rest of your posts lean town for me so far.

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OKAY LETS DO THIS, THIS IS MY RULES FROM NOW ON:

1. YOU TRY TO READ INTO WAGONS PRE PAGE 10 AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
2. U ASK ME TO STOP CPASING AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
3. YOU FOS ME FOR HAVING THIS STUPID LIST AND IL LFUCKING TUNNEL THE SHIT OUT OF YOU PARTYPOOPER
4.NO ONE CAN OUT SHITPOST MY POSTS

i'd vote you now but if I recall correctly I already did

how wonderful!

OKAY LETS DO THIS, THIS IS MY RULES FROM NOW ON:

1. YOU TRY TO READ INTO WAGONS PRE PAGE 10 AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
2. U ASK ME TO STOP CPASING AND ILL FUCKING TUNNEL U
3. YOU FOS ME FOR HAVING THIS STUPID LIST AND IL LFUCKING TUNNEL THE SHIT OUT OF YOU PARTYPOOPER
4.NO ONE CAN OUT SHITPOST MY POSTS

i think the mhsmith wagon is 100% scum
stop using caps
fos CloudKicker for stupid list
ur probably right about the last one u seem like a natural

VOTE: VWXYZ this name actually triggers me and I want to not have to see it or think about the fact that i'm communicating with someone named, "VWXYZ"

i'd agree except that mhsmith isn't scum which is kind of important why do you think mhsmith is scum

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bye bye bye hope you enjoyed your time in mini normal 1844.

lol that was a nice work in

Agreed

also I just realized RB was actually saying the people ON the wagon were scum... right? If so that works out more perfectly than your average bodybuilder.

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Or maybe it doesn't, because my other TR was on the wagon. But he wasn't as towny at the time and it was an RVSish post so it's OK. Decent entrance.

Predit: the latter but I'm not sleepy mom

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Normal people get hyper when they're supposed to be asleep. I... do that too, but I ALSO get more liberal with my strange sentences and silly similes.

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hah okay

ok so i thought dayvig was non normal so wouldn't be here but i just checked and i might be wrong so gonna throw this out there

if it's a real vig then DO NOT lynch transcend w/ my flip. any push on him will be a scumclaim, ta.

are you kidding me

When is that ever a real thing

When

Why would you think that would be real

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VOTE: rb

You did not just copy my joke!

ur joke was shit mine was better

*twitch*

1v1 me right here right now.

lol girls acting tough ooooOooOO

i'm rly scared, don't give me cooties!!

i'm offended. Girls can have STDs too, you know.

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it told me that you're probably town and it tells me that you take everything literally so i shouldn't troll too much more lol

That was my reaction too solely because I don't think Jae dumbtells like ever but I could be wrong

you should vote cloudkicker with me in the meantime, or maybe RB.

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i guess they're just looking for a nice bone

think of the starving house pets dude

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Don't you have any puppy love?

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This game is going to be a pain to reread.

I'm personally finding this inordinately painless and even mildly amusing to reread so you should savor it while you can. I hadn't entered at this point so

you don't know what painful is.

JS~

VOTE: LUV

mhsmith stop being literal lol

wait wait wait, love is Io, right? I assumed it was Io when you first mentioned it but it's not mhsmith, right?

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anyway i'm actually going to the gym now, adios

I hope you put some backbone into it

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I LITERALLY JUST FIGURED IT OUT SHHH IT'S 2 AM AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING A SUCCUBUS

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Where did the scum go?

I though i had my sight on Io'

Its not like i wanted this'yo

lynch her and itll auto'

haikuu <3

that's not what a haiku is

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Can we vote the mafia cloudkicker for misspelling and misusing haiku in one go? And for fosing someone fos having 3 exclamation points but not wanting to be fosed for his post with about as much meaning to it as 3 exclamation points?

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batoru me, cloudkicker.

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but our pal awnyy is town














i think

not until I cloudkick his ass he isn't

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actually I was going to wait for him to react despite having the same read but it's not worth it as of page 7. I just want to have a card battle with awnyy

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Trans, talk through the strong TR on cloud? It seems like he was awkwardly trying to participate in the shit posting without coming across as especially natural (comparing his posts on the sex jokes to rb's, for instance. rb's came across as more natural / free-flowing to me). Did you like his shit posting, or was there some other obv!town there?

awnyy's kind of an extreme person. I didn't feel like rb's posts were necessarily especially free-flowing but maybe that's because I don't know him/wasn't there at the time this was going on.

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it's not even 3 lines

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Hey Hermie and rb!

VOTE: gerryoat

You better not be Team Moon!

what's team moon is that what the mafia team is called? i genuinely don't see where this is listed if it is.

JUST GOT TO MY FIRST POST AND FIGURED OUT THIS IS PROBABLY A F*CKING POKEMON REFERENCE

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I was just told this game started and then told not to post so guess what I'm gonna do? POST. OBNOXIOUS. ONE-LINERS. REPEATEDLY.

Who told you not to post?

jaereed told me to go to bed but u can see for yourself how good i am at heeding advice like that

2/10

did u get this from tyler or did tyler get this from u?

PEDIT: STOP FUCKING POSTING QUOTE PYRAMIDS WHILE IM TRYING TO POST

RELATABLE

IMPOETIC UZI AND SOME OTHER MOTHERFUCKER ARE SCUM

QUOTE ME ON IT

PUT IT IN FINE PRINT

I WILL SIGN IT IN MY BLOOD

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I'll try to tone it down with the filler.

What is with all the crap about a mason group? Is that an actual claim already? Or another shitty joke?

The latter, I believe.

he was referring to me and smith. but it includes you too now.

ahhh the number of gullibles just keeps increasing. looks like we're all gullible except Io

Are you really arguing that scum would make up such an unnecessary cover-up this early? Over something they said in RVS?

It was kind of hard to understand but that doesn't mean it wasn't meant facetiously. The "tisk tisk" and winky face make it pretty obvious she's not lying and even if it weren't for those, I don't think this is the sort of debate that catches scum. Except maybe scum like you, who just want to look like they're scumhunting.

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10/10 defense everyone unvote transcend!


(Sarcasm)

did I miss the part where someone gave something for him to defend against?

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VOTE: burgerking

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Are you really arguing that scum would make up such an unnecessary cover-up this early? Over something they said in RVS?

yea i am arguing that. it seemed like he was trying to show he was scumhunting and then couldn't justify his push and hence proceeded to make a flimsy cover-up.

I +quoted this like hours ago but then lost access to my computer and forgot what I was going to say, but it was probably relevant

what IF i'm joking about not seeing his joke as a joke. what IF i was joking all along, i guess that'd make Io the gullible one here.

joke-ception

or maybe that would make you the one with the flimsy cover-up, since you seem to genuinely believe it (from the post above this one, for instance) and ergo believe covering something up this early with a joke is pertinent to do as scum

10/10 defense everyone unvote transcend!


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did I miss the part where someone gave something for him to defend against?

I voted against him for spamming dog pictures and generally fluffing. Then he said "2 more votes and I will start spamming dog pictures again" am I supposed to remove my vote from him for that? That is why I made the 10/10 defense comment. I didn't give him anything to defend against.

why vote him for fluffing instead of all the other people fluffing? Dogs may be fluffy but not as fluffy as cloudkicker's or my posts, imo...

I knew you hadn't but Impoetic seemed to think that me acknowledging that you weren't taking my vote seriously was scummy..

it was more that you acknowledged his line as if it were a defense against a vote that didn't require a defense. Also, where did you get the impression I thought it was scummy?

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hey as of page 17 I disagree with your read on VWXYZ Transcend

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Impoe ure so fucking obivous , give me your read on trasncend, me, io

...obvious town?

I've already given reads on both you and transcend and io could go either way for me except for the fact that I don't feel like transcend's likely to be wrong on his read on them if he's town and if he's scum i feel like he's buddying but like I know that's weak reasoning so i'm hesitant to out it

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Impoe ure so fucking obivous , give me your read on trasncend, me, io

...obvious town?

I've already given reads on both you and transcend and io could go either way for me except for the fact that I don't feel like transcend's likely to be wrong on his read on them if he's town and if he's scum i feel like he's buddying but like I know that's weak reasoning so i'm hesitant to out it

(This implying that in either scenario, io would be town, but again, weak reasoning for a weak read.)

pedit: yeah u might bc ur read is bad why do you sr me

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i'm gonna be so pissed if ur town and u think u can metaread me in forum mafia when you've misread me before and it's clear from that lline alone (assuming you htink I'm scum, which is what you implied) that you try to read me off some bs like awkwardness >:T

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you've misread me before in EM games* idk about forum mafia games (other than apparently this one if I'm right and you're town) but why should you be able to read me here if not on EM?

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HIHIHIH DO YOU THINK I IMPLIED URE SCUM IMPOE, WHYD I ASK FOR UR READS IF I SRED U??

why would you not ask for reads of someone you SRed? you said I was obvious in a provocative way so I took it at face value and assumed you thought I was scum.

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also, my opinion about you not necessarily being able to read me still applies. I may sometimes make my alignment obvious but your confidence this early on is strange =(

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Idk what the fuck you guys are trying to say but is there a possibility of jester here? Cause vxyz definitely fits the bill for jester. To obvious to be maf.

errrrr I thought he was definitely trying to be towny there and he also succeeded but that's just me

@transend can you give me a list of what you look for in scum? Actually make that everyone. Mass questioning

don't see how the answer to this is especially protown when weighed against the advantage it gives mafia

And I just figured you thought it was scummy if you went to enough effort to try to make me back down from it.

Is it abnormal to question a read you don't empathize with on someone you think is null?

Impoe do you want my read on u y/n, you might regret it

y

as in, "Y would i regret hearing someone's read on me?"

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@ impoe

Im pretty sure you are pr

I'm pretty sure I do literally everything I've done so far no matter my role so regardless of what I am this game you calling me obvious is silly.

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2. Cloud's being a potato...but I'm pretty sure he's a town potato. Not lynching there today.

yes, exactly.

3. mhsmith asks fluff questions about stuff that shouldnt need questions asked about, not sure if it's fake activity or town

i had a TR on mhsmith earlier but I don't remember why and had this thought too

4. Burgerking makes me nauseous but that's not alignment indicative

i think it is very towny that burgerking makes both of us nauseous actually

5. I don't know how Io escaped my dungeon but it makes me mad

by being a level 15 succubus with a high stealth skill

your posts have been by far the most agreeable to me this game but i don't know if that necessarily makes you town. :T

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@ impoe

Im pretty sure you are pr

I'm pretty sure I do literally everything I've done so far no matter my role so regardless of what I am this game you calling me obvious is silly.

hey impo remember that convo we had like not even 2 days ago now i think where you were talking about being pr read? lmao

gotta love when it gets proven ahahaha

you mean when I said that people's PR/non-PR reads on me were like completely irrelevant to my actual role half the time? Why would you assume it was proven? Are you implying

you

know my role?

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(And FTR it's not because I think I'm good at hiding my role, it's because I'm too stupid to remember my role and/or give the usual PR or non-PR tells when I do remember it.)

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2) I wanted to flip mafia this game, and I'm fucking town

this seems legit to me

town

I had the opposite reaction viscerally but decided it was pretty much NAI. Mafia can fake stuff like that... and he could have wanted to flip town and been mad he flipped scum, who knows.

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Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

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Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

eyyyy you CAN read

friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

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Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

run me through this logical perspective

"Logical" was a bit of an overstatement, but that's kind of the usual when you hear that word coming from me, because what is logic, really? Anyway um yeah it's a weak read but I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum after being away for a while as opposed to just getting mad at the people voting him, because in my experience he has a similar opinion as I do about AtE (as in, will AtE sometimes but probably won't do it in such an unsubtle way when it's so completely unnecessary and out of the blue at least as scum? I think?) and is just an active player as both alignments and... hmm, this is hard to explain.

I said "logical" as opposed to my initial gut reaction which was leanscum if anything. The more I think it through the more I realize I'm probably wrong about it being scummy or null but I'm stubborn and I have to sit here glaring at my hands and willing them to tap the keys admitting that I might be wrong as I agonize over being shown up by frickin' JaeReed with their frickin' jae reads

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(i'm joking about glaring at my hands I don't look at my keyboard because I've been typing on a computer since year 1 tyvm)

edit: vwxyz are you badtown this one game because I vaguely remember playing several thousand games with you on sincerely/impoetic on our homesite and you tunneling me when you were scum all the time despite me consistently misreading you lol

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Don't see it

Ironically right before I saw that I was thinking "jeeze I wouldn't say this as scum I'd better redo my scum meta" because I wouldn't be frustrated/wouldn't have backed off at that point because I'd want to look like my reads were more thought-out lol

of course you can't believe me on that but it's still funny to me

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I aim to not play so badly that I force people to lose faith in their townreads on me this game

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well some dork changed my username to citeopmi when given access to my account and then some other dork stole my impoetic username

can you explain what made you unvote when you heard that?

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who is ccc? Is it cloud?

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Idk I just saw you say you were mafia goon

uh... you thought I was serious?

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Burger's vote on io was really bad, but I've liked some of the content they've produced afterwards.

Exactly.

Man, I hope you're not scum the one game I TR you lol.

On another note, I feel bad for the people who aren't from EM in this game because there has been so much of us referencing it and fillering and there are so many of us in this game. Sorry about that =(

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you're saying like everything I'm thinking. Now that I think about it more, some of your posts are almost too towny in the "seem to be focusing on how they're perceived" sense so I'm not totally set on your alignment but nonetheless I fail if you're scum because I don't SR you this game, at least as of yet, but I did in past games where we were both town lol

predit: those are mostly my null/scumreads except cloud but idk how well cloud can towntell as scum so I might not be giving him enough credit.

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oh wait there's an actual CCC in this game whose posts I totally forgot about lmao.

I think I'd lynch Hermie today before LUV so far but I wouldn't be opposed to a LUV lynch either.

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Now that I think about it more, some of your posts are almost too towny in the "seem to be focusing on how they're perceived" sense so I'm not totally set on your alignment but nonetheless I fail if you're scum because I don't SR you this game, at least as of yet, but I did in past games where we were both town lol

stop fos'ing my strongest townread in scummy ways lol

that wasn't an fos, that was my acknowledging that my tr could be wrong. Fricker.

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I think his vote was bad but i think he might have genuinely fosed me. Idk yo.

seemed disingenuous enough to me which was basically why I brought him up but idk I'll look back at this later.

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you're saying like everything I'm thinking. Now that I think about it more, some of your posts are almost too towny in the "seem to be focusing on how they're perceived" sense so I'm not totally set on your alignment but nonetheless I fail if you're scum because I don't SR you this game, at least as of yet, but I did in past games where we were both town lol

predit: those are mostly my null/scumreads except cloud but

idk how well cloud can towntell as scum so I might not be giving him enough credit.

How cant you know girls, weve been playing for ages

more like we haven't played in ages

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VOTE: L.U.V.

i'll be a sheep because my SR was wrong

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actually burgerking works too but i need to go reread to remember what i was thinking about this game later lol

pedit: no it isn't because people change over time and maybe you should consider that your lack of recognition of this fact is why you think you can read me but can't

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Impoetic:

Can you explain what you meant when you said your "sr was wrong"?

my sr on hermie was wrong based on the recent posts from him


cloud I was literally explaining that I could be wrong on transcend as I ALWAYS DO because I'm NOT A CONFIDENT PLAYER

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Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

run me through this logical perspective

"Logical" was a bit of an overstatement, but that's kind of the usual when you hear that word coming from me, because what is logic, really? Anyway um yeah it's a weak read but I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum after being away for a while as opposed to just getting mad at the people voting him, because in my experience he has a similar opinion as I do about AtE (as in, will AtE sometimes but probably won't do it in such an unsubtle way when it's so completely unnecessary and out of the blue at least as scum? I think?) and is just an active player as both alignments and... hmm, this is hard to explain.

I said "logical" as opposed to my initial gut reaction which was leanscum if anything. The more I think it through the more I realize I'm probably wrong about it being scummy or null but I'm stubborn and I have to sit here glaring at my hands and willing them to tap the keys admitting that I might be wrong as I agonize over being shown up by frickin' JaeReed with their frickin' jae reads

you're saying like everything I'm thinking. Now that I think about it more, some of your posts are almost too towny in the "seem to be focusing on how they're perceived" sense so I'm not totally set on your alignment but nonetheless I fail if you're scum because I don't SR you this game, at least as of yet, but I did in past games where we were both town lol

predit: those are mostly my null/scumreads except cloud but idk how well cloud can towntell as scum so I might not be giving him enough credit.

Now that I think about it more, some of your posts are almost too towny in the "seem to be focusing on how they're perceived" sense so I'm not totally set on your alignment but nonetheless I fail if you're scum because I don't SR you this game, at least as of yet, but I did in past games where we were both town lol

stop fos'ing my strongest townread in scummy ways lol

that wasn't an fos, that was my acknowledging that my tr could be wrong. Fricker.

@Cloud she townreads transcend but is paranoid of reading him wrong is my take on these. The "saying everything I'm thinking" was after Transcend posted his thoughts on the game and quite frankly they were pre much lining up with mine as well so impo posting that before i said that is also town points to her.

She was sring gerry's entrance but then realized she was probs wrong on it and wanted hermie over luv but i guess herm's latest posts convinced her she could be wrong there too.

still find it weird how she sheeped

and you think as scum I'd be

more

likely to sheep and announce it? Because that's what self-conscious players who care about their image do? Or for "wifom"?

[Impoetic]

Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

run me through this logical perspective

"Logical" was a bit of an overstatement, but that's kind of the usual when you hear that word coming from me, because what is logic, really? Anyway um yeah it's a weak read but I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum after being away for a while as opposed to just getting mad at the people voting him, because in my experience he has a similar opinion as I do about AtE (as in, will AtE sometimes but probably won't do it in such an unsubtle way when it's so completely unnecessary and out of the blue at least as scum? I think?) and is just an active player as both alignments and... hmm, this is hard to explain.

"I just think gerry would be more likely to try to participate if he were scum "

the epitome of irrationality

hence the "knowing gerry" and "it's hard to explain"

it's not irrational but I don't care to argue since my read could change anyway.

[Impoetic]

you mean when I said that people's PR/non-PR reads on me were like completely irrelevant to my actual role half the time? Why would you assume it was proven? Are you implying

you

know my role?

Half

the time? How accurate is that figure? Do you perchance have stats (drawn only from completed games, of course) to back that up?

That's a figure of speech, not a statistical estimation. I meant nothing more than that in the other version of mafia I play, people tend to overanalyze/overestimate how much I play to my role. I cannot list games where this happened because it's not forum mafia. Cloud plays there too.

[Impoetic]

Actually he's likely town from a logical perspective given my perception of Gerryoat's approach to the game but I'm not sure and I think it's too soon to be sure but w/e

eyyyy you CAN read

friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

And are you reading the posts immediately before and after that?

VOTE: L.U.V.

i'll be a sheep because my SR was wrong

Why do you think your SR was wrong?

because he came and posted some things that seemed really genuine to me. It wasn't necessarily a strong read in the first place.

[Impoetic]

This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.

Town is dumb; scum is smart.


End of meta post




I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know

wait i know i'm being dumb and please clear me for it blah blah blah but... how is this meta? Is my definition of meta off? :s

[Impoetic]

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.

[Impoetic]

Spoiler:

He shows no real intellectual curiosity at all about Io v Karnos. Marked contrast to his typical town games where he bounces around between ideas and suspicions (see links I sent earlier today), and even without meta a strange reaction to an accusation of fighting to essentially hand-wave it away as TvT.

In the context of day one...

Town!Transcend
Newbie 1721
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 22, 35, 41, 46, 65, 374, 377, etc.
gives substance behind reads, and is sorting the whole board (though some of the sorts are light on heft), see 346 reads list

New York 196
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8029308
has fluid reads, bounces around with his vote, pushes and presses multiple people, especially early
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 46, 49, 54, 57, 59, 397, etc.

Open 645
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
pushing early, bouncing around with his vote and reads, engaging with most of the board
asks questions, reasonably often with a push behind them - 195, 227, 229 237, 244, etc.


Wolf!Transcend
Mini 1796
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
early emphasis on explaining/justifying his own push - 167, 169,
questions are self-oriented or weak: 176 is in the context of his own read, 278/279 are questions that don't go anywhere, 281 is in the context of talking about his own vote, 411 is sort of a question, and that's basically it for his first 100 posts

I'm explicitly NOT sorting Fire/Ice since
1) It was multiball
2) His partner was already dead when he subbed in
so that's not reasonably comparable to this game

This game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... B%5D=27478
(page 1 - first 200 posts)
day one engagement much more focused on specific people (Luna Fox, Thor, PC)
questions are rare and weak - 132 is a push on the player pushing karnos, 352 is a reinforcement of his PC push, ditto 423, 440 is decent though, 642 is a push on luna rather than a true question,
TR of karnos was weak - 317 is a playstyle read, and when thor pushed back in 336, he's not really interested in engaging substantively with the karnos read (394, 397 are both weak in that respect), and pushes to change the topic of conversation
436 is a weird reaction to PC - scum would be MORE likely to make a bad vote, not less
695luna notes trans's posts as being really town, but that only applies i think if karnos is also town; if karnos flips red (which he did) it's an easy post for a buddy to make to sell the "I totally didn't think karnos was flipping red" mindset

In terms of day 1, transcend played much closer to his wolf meta than his town meta. I'd felt better about his later days though, so I need to dig into those to see if I still agree w that or not.

btw, nice case. This is reassuring.

[Impoetic]

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.

Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.

yes but why would town be any less likely to know that everyone knows than mafia?

[Impoetic]

This is somewhat meta but scum knows who is cum so they read each post with the knowledge of what that players alignment is. Therefore they can see exactly what is townie about each post. For me it is very hard to call some people town and some people scum when I am maf. I either see everyone as town and have to entirely fabricate my scum tells(sure way to end up misspeaking and dieing) or I see everyone as scum and noone trusts me because I read them as scum when they know they are town.Hope that makes sense but the wiki does have a page on this. Scum has the best scum read and town reads of all the players in the game. They know and therefore can see the signs in each player's post.

Town is dumb; scum is smart.


End of meta post




I know I am sheeting but so far LUV is the only player who looks very scummy to me. CCC is asking alot of questions but he is questioning a town read. If LUV is scum he could possibly be a scum buddy trying to distant himself? I lean town tho for know

wait i know i'm being dumb and please clear me for it blah blah blah but... how is this meta? Is my definition of meta off? :s

As far as I know meta is the theory of the game and the theory of who will do what and how scum will act vs how town will act.

Meta gaming is a type of fluff because using it you can throw shade and look involved without providing in-game reads on current hot topic players.


Ie in the top part of that post I didn't really accuse or name anyone altho I was talking about LUV.

The bottom part wasn't meta. It was my gut feelings on luv and ccc

Thanks. It seems my definition of meta in the context of mafia specifically was not fully correct.

Also oops, looks like jaereed literally just said the same thing i did in almost the exact same words lol

[Impoetic]

(I do give you small town points for asking, though, as I'd figure that scum would know it was public knowledge and the question didn't come off as fake or asking something just for the sake of asking)

why would mafia know it was public knowledge? I don't get this line of logic.

Because everyone should know that there is daychat if they read.

Yeah but why is mafia more likely to know it's public knowledge than town is?

Because
1) there are (probably) three of them so more odds at least one bothered to read OP

yes but why would that one specifically announce it in the PT to the others?

2) they would KNOW there was day chat without an encryptor, and if any are familiar w normal rules they'd know it has to be announced

okay but i didn't think of this and clearly the person who asked you that question (I actually forget who it was; Hermie or CC, right?) is fairly new to Mafiascum as well so I doubt they'd know this

3) in general you expect wolves to pay more attention to setup (they're called "dumb tells" or "derp clears" for a reason).

I think of dumbtells/derp clears as mistakes that only town can make, not just...mistakes that potentially indicate carelessness.

[Impoetic]

saying I didn't think of this wasn't a scumclaim it was me genuinely not knowing that daychat w/o encryptor = 100% always announced in the OP

[Impoetic]

Impoes prob town, so i trans and i can read those both well (ibelieve, even if impoe says the contrary)

thought it was contrary because i thought you were scumreading me

Impo I'd bet never reads the setup. If someone mentions day chat she's likely to just assume it's written in the setup rather than bother to go check I'd imagine.

hey hey hey how did you know

[Impoetic]

1) Also, depending on the scum team and the level of their planning, it would possibly come up in conversation, at least in terms of "be aware that people know this is going on and may keep an eye out for coaching and coordination and the like". So if one noticed and the other two derped, it's still reasonably likely that the one who noticed would have communicated it to the others.

I disagree. I wouldn't have thought to tell my partners about daychat being public because I'd just they'd know.

This.

Why would it come up? It almost never comes up out of the blue. How often do you say or see someone say "be aware that people know this is going on and may keep an eye out for coaching and coordination and the like" in night chat?

My guess is not often, making it not a tell even if it's

possible

for it to occur.

[Impoetic]

Gerry 'towntell' is NAI - someone would probably say it as either alignment.

it's a metaread at least for me and i said that I think.

But he needs to participate more before it can be strengthened.

[Impoetic]

Vwxyz is a good vig shot but not worth a lynch right now. If hes scum hes not pushing the town around in any way so hes not a threat to the town here, but the playstyle fits like a mafia PR or something

I'm not sue what to make of uzi not really reacting. On the one hand, it seems like scum wouldn't, but on the other, I'm not sure how likely town is to play like that either.

I doubt whether posts like 206 would be made as scum but not as town. Possibly the reverse, but like...

[Impoetic]

OOPS I +Qd things but then forgot

You said you were trying to find the lurker scum but then you said someone that could be the lurker scum wasn't a good lynch, RB?

[Impoetic]

Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

[Impoetic]

friendly reminder that I'm the mafia goon with a factional kill to direct at whoever I want tonight

Is this an actual, serious scumclaim? I have a very strong urge to park my vote on you now.

What do you think?

I don't

think

it's serious, but if it turns out that you

are

scum, then it's going to turn out to be incredibly embarrassing to ignore that post.

Ohhh, I get it now. Don't worry, I'm not. If you're really worried, you can probably verify with JaeReed, Transcend, Gerry, or Cloudkicker, as they've all played games with me before, and know I tend to make comments like that. I believe I said it in a followup to Jaereed saying jokingly that was my role.

even if I were scum it wouldn't be something to be embarrassed over because you would have no way of knowing that comment was real.

[Impoetic]

Explicitly voting someone who's not your top scumread without good reason trips all my scum detectors.

didn't i do this earlier

[Impoetic]

but jaereed stole my catchphrase from another game which is totes scummy because it's less like a joke and more like an excuse so I mean hey it's okay to finger-of-suspicion them for inconsistent reasons in my book

[Impoetic]

btw Impoetic is also mafia lol

[Impoetic]

Also Transcend the thing you TR jae for is very similar to what denial TR'd me for when I was mafia with you recently. Like, almost the exact same situation w/ pretending to think someone is killing them over a joke.

Sorry for all the tripleposting and coasting. I'll try and change my approach after this.

Your point? Do you honestly think I was pretending? Keep in mind that you are under oath, miss impo

my point is he shouldn't clear you for it and neither will I.

[Impoetic]

LMFAO I HAD NO IDEA THAT HE GOT ANYWHERE NEAR HAMMER TERRITORY

VOTE: rb

neither i should have unvoted oop

i remember like nothing about this game so i don't remember what my read on gerryoat was or who else I was thinking of voting d1. Hopefully catching up today will jog my memory somewhat but I'm gonna need to reread too >_<;

[Impoetic]

OH YEAH jaereed's reaction to my concern about you clearing them (for something I STILL don't think was that indicative @both of you but then again i did think so at the time so w/e) is like, really really towny for them

[Impoetic]

Either Jae or Impoetic is being lynched today.
I did not like any of their votes yesterday, and after going back over and looking through the day Jae and Impoetic's interactions felt very scripted.

And then Jae makes that first post of the day accusing Smith who is not even really close to the top of my scum list.

VOTE: Jae

I could maybe see it as Impo getting spooked over gerry pushing. Anyone familiar with scum meta of Impo/JR, including what kinds of NK's JR and/or Impo tend to make?

ummmm I thought Gerry TR'd me but maybe that was only Awnyy/Transcend.

Can I just point out that there are still 3 people alive who can metaread me and none of them scumread me (as far as I know)? No point in trying to bury them all.

Wait, I misread that part.

I mean the shot itself might be good from a PR hunting standpoint but the result wasn't something you wanted to see, which would elicit that kinda reaction.

this looks bad given what you've told me about your feelings in mafia games recently so I need to quote it so I remember and check the things that made me think you were town again.

Jae's reaction to your reaction to the death alone is making me think he did it. That and Impoetic was super jumpy with is votes yesterday and I just wasn't feeling like Jae and Impoetic's interactions were very genuine.
Frankly I see no reason to not just ax the both of them this second.

Well, the reason is so we don't get two MLs and because we're barely two pages into day 2.

I'm

always

jumpy with my votes and there are three people who can vouch for that in this game, as it happens.

Please try to be more specific on how/when our interactions weren't genuine?

did the site die or something?

yes, for like 2 days I think

[Impoetic]

I mean the shot itself might be good from a PR hunting standpoint but the result wasn't something you wanted to see, which would elicit that kinda reaction.

this looks bad given what you've told me about your feelings in mafia games recently so I need to quote it so I remember and check the things that made me think you were town again.

Elaborate? I can't see this lining up with anything to do with my feelings when I'm mafia.

just the fact that you let your little honesty fetish leak into your scumplay and the way you sorta justified the shot which indicates you would have made that shot in the first place as mafia. But I wouldn't normally scumread the line at all -- hence the "given what they've told me" part -- so it's probably fine. Also I remember now you were complaining about me considering you might dumbtell... so

just forget it.

(I'm bad with words.)

Jae's reaction to your reaction to the death alone is making me think he did it. That and Impoetic was super jumpy with is votes yesterday and I just wasn't feeling like Jae and Impoetic's interactions were very genuine.
Frankly I see no reason to not just ax the both of them this second.

Well, the reason is so we don't get two MLs and because we're barely two pages into day 2.

I'm

always

jumpy with my votes and there are three people who can vouch for that in this game, as it happens.

Please try to be more specific on how/when our interactions weren't genuine?

I would have loved to have been maf with you ngl... Our interactions would be super obvs though because I suck <3

are you implying I am mafia

without

you?

You are NOT getting out of the associative tells I so painstakingly forced that easy. Look, even now I'm trolling in a way that could be taken as some puerile distancing attempt on my part.

[Impoetic]

impo plz don't be scum

sorry

But don't worry, I won't

"flip"

out if you lynch me.

predit: "preference for honesty"? "personal code of complete truthfulness"? How would you prefer I describe you, JR?

[Impoetic]

i asked io earlier BECAUSE I only really remember troll interactions which, like, of course they won't sound genuine! Transcend/burger's interaction today didn't sound genuine to me either, until i realized it was trolling. I find people who push on stuff like that to be scummy.

But I DO want to hear io out first, because my memory is flakey.

I have no JR scum meta knowledge. I vaguely think I remember seeing such a game of his at some point (newbie queue maybe?) but don't remember what it would have been. I know I'd read an Impo wolf newbie game a while ago (I think it was the JK one where she somehow squeaked through a near-locked game), may dig that up at some point.

Oh yeah I still have this game in my egosearch so I'll spare you the trouble if you still wanted to check this. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=750 (Forgot earlier, sorry.)

Pretty different, lol.

[Impoetic]

So what in particular strikes you as being different in this game from that one?

um in skimming the beginning of my own ISO I noticed I was a lot more careful and nervous about what I sent, a lot quicker to talk about my own "reads," and my dumbtells were things I actually found believable as opposed to my actual slip-ups this game which are pretty ridiculous for the most part tbh. That last thing I'm not sure about though.

I was also a lot more agreeable, which is something I should probably try to go back to. I also wrote "differ than" which is fdljksal;' wtf self

Not necessarily saying all of those things are solely because of alignment, or at least I would hope not; it was my first game on the site, and I remember some of what I did there as carrying over to my first game ever of forum mafia -- in which I was town, but similarly nervous/generally tryhardy. ^^; And the last time I flipped a non-town role I played differently, too. My alignment probably ensured that I was so involved in the game, though, and many other things, some of which I'm sure I'm not aware of.

So yeah, I was just making an observation; the play seemed very different even from a surface-level skim.

[Impoetic]

IO, can you please be more specific about what interaction(s) between jaereed and I seems/seem disingenuous to you?

[Impoetic]

really not seeing it as such a scumtell. Like, I can see how you can interpret it as such, but I don't think it is just because trusting someone else's reads over your own is something I've done before too (oops)?

predit: why would scum "try to look like scummy town"? also jae i know you're joking but if you do that I'm going to tunnel back regardless of whether my read changes on you past that point so don't try it thx

[Impoetic]

I'm with jaereed and CCC is pushing on semantic incongruities (more likely to be made by town, if anything) as if they were definite scumslips

CCC when you say jae being innocent child is unlikely, are you saying you think it's unlikely they're going to be cleared or unlikely that they're

town

, period?

In one scenario you're nitpicking when they (to me at least) clearly meant it as a sort of "what if I'm town" rather than "what if I'm innocent child" (I sure hope they aren't, they're probably my hardest tr atm for reasons I can't really push) and in the other you're professing near certainty that someone is scum over... carelessness, basically.

[Impoetic]

Oh right, someone asked me about meta on jae. I've only played one scumgame with them and it was in a completely different version of mafia but they seemed relatively transparent that game and I doubt they just suddenly upped their towntelling game given their impression of their own ability to play as scum. There are a lot of reactions here that I doubt are forced ATM, and I think the scumtells people are pushing on are really things that careless town can totally do.

I also think Jae has forgotten that I've pushed on them as both alignments and they reacted by omgusing every time. /salt

[Impoetic]

I'm also aware Impo didn't say they were town reading Jae, at least I haven't seen it, but that was the example I was using of common read scripting. It's just a way to get artificial town reads on scum partners without putting a whole lot of effort in. Hence why I said the next step would be for Impo to town read Jae.

OK well I am townreading jae but don't feel like I can convince anyone with my reasons since they're basically meta and tone IIRC. So there. I said it.

I'm so sorry for not keeping up with this game and I'll try to catch up and be more active in the meantime.

[Impoetic]

Impoetic: Were there reasons that you voted Uzi besides him being the leading bandwagon? Who do you think is scum on the Uzi wagon if there is any?

i don't remember

i think i was just sheeping you at the time bc u were my top TR (possibly w/ JR) and Uzi hadn't particularly towntold to me, but honestly I don't really remember. Maybe I SRed him. I do recall wanting to unvote at some point but then i left without doing it and came back and the day had ended.

[Impoetic]

based on my reads earlier I'd really be surprised if jaereed flipped scum. It's possible they upped their scumgame drastically, but I sort of doubt it with the way they acted when I doubted them.

You mentioned you townread mhsmith, right? Can you elaborate on that one?

[Impoetic]

Rank the 5 "lurkers" from who you think is most likely to flip scum to town

CHEAT SHEET!!!!!
Burgerking
CloudKicker
Hermie
rb
VWXYZ

All 3 of my scumreads are in your lurker pool btw.

Didn't you SR rb? This implies you don't and your 3 scumreads are bk/cloud/hermie.

[Impoetic]

mmmm yeah I'm gonna end up voting burgerking but preferably not until the VC + his claim which my confirmation bias lens will probably take as scummy no matter what -- like I can't see a scenario in which I don't -- but... should still hapepn.
.
also i feel bad for isping and im gonna iso the guy since there's an actual wagon here

otherwise I might have been wrong on hermie. Hmmmmmm

[Impoetic]

the fact that there is no post burgerking could and would make that I can foresee townreading says something veeeerrrrrryyyy bad so i'm gonna iso him and see if I can remember why I didn't SR him d1

[Impoetic]

what HAPPENED here

[Impoetic]

oh good ccc was NKed not dayvigged or some sh*t

jae i have no idea why you want smith to claim unless you're a PR with a guilty on him in which case i don't know why you and ccc would bother softing in such a hard way

[Impoetic]

what HAPPENED here

You're confirmed town because CCC flipped 1 shot gunsmith and claimed your hands are empty yesterday.

I claimed tracker, I saw Cloud visit CCC last night.
Cloud claimed nilla.
We speedlynched Cloud.
Cloud claimed doctor.

I'm so.fucking.done.

you literally said he visited ccc. Why would you be 'done'? Clearly he can't be doctor. And why were you asking MHSMITH to claim?

[Impoetic]

oh god

[Impoetic]

please can i be deconfirmed as town

[Impoetic]

jae is probtown

[Impoetic]

Before sonia locks the thread, i may not be here at the start of day tomorrow.

NO ONE VOTES PERIOD.

UNDERSTOOD?

Scum will blitz your vote if you make an incorrect vote.

Wanna have this here for the start of tomorrow.

1. Nice trolling Cloud. You tricked even ME

2. This needs death right here, right now.

VOTE: rb

Just highlighting the obvious.

What, that Transcend changed his approach when it turned out it wasn't LYLO? I don't understand what's supposed to be obvious to me here from those two posts :s

[Impoetic]

@Jaereed I said role, not alignment, and you should know i'm town again because of mechanics here. As in, I forgot I was VT a couple times and had to check my role to make sure i didn't have night actions to submit. Doesn't mean I'd forget if I were in a PT.

[Impoetic]

Is enough power against a 3 goon team. It's fairly obvious my role is swingy as hell (again, smith GOAT ), so it becomes whether it's overall enough to counter a potential n1 derp by my role. I tentatively say yes, though obviously if scum have power (role block strongman etc) it's at least conceivable that Sonia went weird w town design. Titus like 90% wolf here tho I think.

Yeah, aren't multiple people w/ basically the same claim generally treated as CCs?

Not to mention Titus claimed only after being guiltied and that her claim was relatively basic compared to yours, in a way that you think 'yeah, scum would claim like this' even without another person claiming the same role. At first I wanted to TR the "as confirmed towny..." posts from her but right now I think that would be easily faked, especially by someone so well-known on the site.

I'm not sure about Transcend anymore though. His reads so far not lining up with reality is something I wouldn't expect from town!him and his reaction to Titus seems forced to me -- though I could easily be hallucinating.

[Impoetic]

wait

Oh doc cc's

I'll investigate further when I'm home

I'm 90% gonna cast a vote for Titus tho

Also I'm blue

never mind the transcend thing i musth ave missed stuff.

[Impoetic]

I wasn't being "kneejerk defensive." Your claim sheet, which I had never heard of before, had several claims in quotes so I thought the question mark was representing uncertainty about my alignment at first, the same way you were uncertain about my alignment two games ago when I was almost conftown. >:|

Anyway, I feel like it might be optimal to lynch in VT claims here if there's any doubt about Titus' alignment whatsoever, but maybe I'm just spazzing out. I mean, it probably doesn't matter, but...

[Impoetic]

@Titus: here are cleared townies

me
Jae
Impo

if you want to argue that you're a for real doc, you need to

1) Figure out a scum team that actually makes sense given the clears
2) Figure out how a full doc and an odd night weak doc make sense in setup

because you have literally no chance of getting me lynched here. My postings have been EXTREMELY consistent with my role, including my n1 visit to CCC and its result, my reaction to cloud's seeming game throw was EXTREMELY difficult to fake, and my talk in the hood was completely consistent with trying to potentially fake out Io if she was somehow scum.

Zero of these things are reasonably within my scum range.

Despite that, you aren't confirmed town, are you?

[Impoetic]

There is zero reason for the real doctor to CC a hammered man claiming doctor.

I was pretty wasted and depressed last night.

We move on.

VOTE: mhsmith0

He tried to postulate Cloud was the doc JaeReed. You're being hyperconcerned about pocketing that you are not thinking rationally.

I feel like even in the world where you're town, you should be able to understand why people would doubt your claim thus far. I mean, you yourself said scum was likely to CC you before mhsmith claimed.

Both RB and mhsmith pretended to believe cloud was the doc, and mhsmith doesn't seem to think of you as a direct CC so maybe it wasn't even pretend. Actually oh yeah he said it wasn't. Nonetheless, unless I'm the one missing something here, I don't think you really believe JaeReed's being irrational by doubting your claim with the reasons they gave.

[Impoetic]

Despite that, you aren't confirmed town, are you?

not mod confirmed, but by now I should be very very very very very obvious town, with my role claim, my actions supporting that claim, my early D2 posts consistent with that claim (including pretty much explaining why I targeted CCC there), my reaction to the cloud lynch, and my posts in the hood (the last of which you obviously can't see).

But from Titus's pov, you are practically a CC, so you aren't really confirmed town to them and telling them to appeal to you as if you were seems really strange to me.

[Impoetic]

Anyway, I feel like it might be optimal to lynch in VT claims here if there's any doubt about Titus' alignment whatsoever, but maybe I'm just spazzing out. I mean, it probably doesn't matter, but...

Btw, I'm pretty sure this is 100% what not to do in this situation. At least lynching in the doc claims gives us 1 for 1, and we don't have to try to sort between them in lylo. I don't believe there could be 2 town docs. Not even with smith's claim being as swingy as it is.

it was about which one was real and I had forgotten about the implications of "weak odd-night"

[Impoetic]

Oh, I love you starting the Titus is good at scum shade.

Your role cannot exist.

Two or three investigatives and a protective while scum can do nothing? Don't think so. That would never pass balance.

You went for more utility in your fakeclaim for the tiebreaker and got busted.

You do realize that I claimed odd night weak visitor D3, AND claimed my target of Jae, right? I await your theory about why I'd do this in advance of a doc claim which (presuming I'm scum fake-claiming) very well might not exist at all.

No, you claimed weak visitor. No odd-night affix.

[Impoetic]

oops, my bad

[Impoetic]

That's still kind of a weird way to out it though |:

also TItus I was more referring to the fact that you called JaeReed "irrational" despite presumably seeing why at this point in time there's plenty of reasonable doubt against you.

Predit: actually, fact-checking is what led me to that error.

[Impoetic]

plenty of room for* reasonable doubt

Ebwop.

[Impoetic]

Impoetic is cleared by CCC's gunsmith shot. Not sure what to make of that derpclear attempt; obviously scum would 100% know that Impo was cleared (unless we're truly dealing with lol wolves), so if Hermie genuinely didn't know, then it's a legit derpclear. The problem I have is, I'm skeptical Hermie didn't now, given the seeming effort he made to re-read the thread in order to pick out specific Impo quotes.

specifically, specific impo quotes impo made in response to being cleared.