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If Klingon alignment slipped wouldn't that be a good thing? As far as PR slipping goes, how would that happen in the first place?In post 224, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
I was referring to the fact that Klingon might slip or MDS might read her one way and be able to form an opinion on Klingon's alignment which she could use to gauge the threat against the scum team.how would Kling's reply be role/alignment indicative?
Can you restate why you scumread MDS again?In post 224, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
I think it is less that i agree with Klingon's scumlist and more that i read MDS as scum and if in the end she is, tha would put a suspicious gaze on the other members of Klingon's scumlist. I guess on the end i view the others on the list as guilty by association.So you agree with her scumlist? And her reasons?
Lawyering? I assume this means something related to interrogation. In any case, why not? His post was worth questioning, you just happened to be the subject of it.In post 236, MiniDeathStar wrote:@Fountain of Dreams: Why were you lawyering me in front of Secret Agent Jin?
Did you look at his username? His name is Bang and he's the mafia.In post 251, Creature wrote:bangthemafia, what are you?-
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You don't seem to be having a logical progession in your catchup.In post 231, bangthemafia wrote:
Care to elaborate what is weird? Or just because I think differently?In post 186, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm with FoD on bang, his thought process looks weird
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I actually missed this post regarding the delete thing. Ill explain, i am using mobile and my screen is cracked a tiny bit over the delete button. The reason i got fed up with the delete thing is it has happened multiple times in the last few days. Since the keyboard is digital and pressure sensitive, there is nothing i can do until the keyboard program decides to correct the mistake and stop deleting. It happened, it sucks, i actually ended up typing out most of the message again. I added the delete part because i was frustrated and not because i wanted an excuse in case my post was lacking.In post 247, lane0168 wrote:
That's completely different. The only time delete keys get stuck and you're watching everything get deleted is in the moviesIn post 234, bangthemafia wrote:
Why not? I fully relate to what SAJ said with that delete thing. I myself was about to do that. Started writing a quick reply on last page and in a hurry went 2 pages back to read something not realizing that what I wrote vanished. Had to hit back keys 2-3 times to recover that!In post 214, lane0168 wrote:Ok... I can't... Are we really going to believe SAJ that he had this super long post but his delete key cut stuck so he's just there frantically trying to get it to stop deleting his post while watching his whole post be deleted and got it to stop at that part???
@saj, Pretending that actually happened, what was the first part of your big post? Summarize it
Having said that, SAJ doesnt seem to have any solid reason against Mini. She explained spoilers. I believe her explanation and rest of SAJ's case can be argued both ways!-
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Alright, i have read the last page and a half and i was WAY out there in suspecting MDS. I dont know what my yesterday self was thinking and i am 100% backing off for now. I didnt even have good reasons for going after MDS. I am placing MDS under null, no more scum.
As far as this goes, i was more saying that the scum could figure out if she was a vanilla townie or a PR and act accordingly.Uhm, if I were scum, I'd obviously know if Klingon was scum or not. Why would I need to get a read on her alignment?
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lane0168 - L-7
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Gamma Emerald - L-6 - Alban
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alban - L-6 - Klingoncelt
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That would be a good thing as we could then question who was against Klingon. I absolutely have no idea why i was so adamant on MDS last night.If Klingon alignment slipped wouldn't that be a good thing? As far as PR slipping goes, how would that happen in the first place?
I originally scumread MDS because her posts against Klingon looked way too defensive. I then proceeded to speak out of my butt without much evidence to back up my claim. I REALLY jumped the gun on MDS, all i can ask is for her forgiveness and that it be out to rest.Can you restate why you scumread MDS again?-
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Sorry for being so grumpy last night. I was very tired.In post 221, MiniDeathStar wrote:@Tiger moth:I had a lot to say and splitting the entire quotes would have taken me super long time and they would have all appeared chopped up. I'm sorry I wasn't considerate with the gold text though; I'm using the black scheme and I haven't really tested what works best across all of them. I'll keep that in mind in future, thank you.
What's 'ott'? And sure, maybe. I'm not saying she *can't* be scum; I just don't *think* she is. I can't be certain of anything unless I have evidence.
If Klingon is scum, she may pass under the radar for a while, but I doubt she can last forever. I somehow can't see her surviving to 3-way LYLO and winning with this strategy. I think it's much more likely she'd be policy-lynched when most of her scumreads die as town and her confidence flops. In my experience towns that mislynch a couple times and lose their leaders to nightkills eventually grow paranoid of lurking scum and start lynching the kind of people that mafia would never kill while they still have the chance.
So for the moment I feel safe ignoring Klingon and focusing on other potential suspects. I might revisit her later in the game if I have to.
ott = over the top
Judging by Klingon's join date and post count I doubt she's going to continue like that. How are you so sure that most of her scumreads are town? Looks like you're preparing the ground for a future mislynch or bus (if she's a scumbuddy) here under the guise of a policy lynch.-
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@ Fountain: Did you miss this?
In post 220, Tiger moth wrote:
What was bad about them?In post 182, Fountain of Dreams wrote:Bang's catch-up was bad.Kop's catch-up was bad.-
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Give it your best effort? Pretty please? For me?In post 250, Creature wrote:Not my fault everybody's being hard to read lol
Okay, now I'm just... confused. I literally don't know what to think about this. Like, at all.In post 261, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I originally scumread MDS because her posts against Klingon looked way too defensive. I then proceeded to speak out of my butt without much evidence to back up my claim. I REALLY jumped the gun on MDS, all i can ask is for her forgiveness and that it be out to rest.
When did I say I'm sure most of her scumreads are town? Reality check:In post 263, Tiger moth wrote:Judging by Klingon's join date and post count I doubt she's going to continue like that. How are you so sure that most of her scumreads are town?
In the post you quoted I was speaking under the assumption Klingon is scum and therefore at least mathematically wrong about having found "the 3 scum". Assuming that she's town and assuming there are 3 scum, she has about 67% chance of having no scum in her list, and about 1.8% chance of having all 3 (0.4% if you consider my POV because I know I'm not scum but I'm still in her list). So yeah, I'm going with her probably being wrong on most of those people, but I'm not excluding them from my suspect list. Just, *if* she's found scum, she's either been lucky or bussing. Her reasoning is complete bollocks.In post 213, MiniDeathStar wrote:That's why I think she's town, but I think her reads are very bad (as in poorly reasoned) and sticking with them is just very poor play. Even if she's actually found scum, that would be sheer luck.(because other than me I can't guarantee that the rest on her list aren't scum)
I've literally no idea where you got that from. I already said I think she's town. Please stop misrepresenting me.In post 263, Tiger moth wrote:Looks like you're preparing the ground for a future mislynch or bus (if she's a scumbuddy) here under the guise of a policy lynch.
And please start interacting with people who aren't me. You're not being helpful right now and I can't get a read on you if all you do is tunnel me with "she winked!!!" and "she's totally preparing a mislynch on this townread of hers!!!"-
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Bad post. Welcome to the scum pile.In post 263, Tiger moth wrote:
Sorry for being so grumpy last night. I was very tired.In post 221, MiniDeathStar wrote:@Tiger moth:I had a lot to say and splitting the entire quotes would have taken me super long time and they would have all appeared chopped up. I'm sorry I wasn't considerate with the gold text though; I'm using the black scheme and I haven't really tested what works best across all of them. I'll keep that in mind in future, thank you.
What's 'ott'? And sure, maybe. I'm not saying she *can't* be scum; I just don't *think* she is. I can't be certain of anything unless I have evidence.
If Klingon is scum, she may pass under the radar for a while, but I doubt she can last forever. I somehow can't see her surviving to 3-way LYLO and winning with this strategy. I think it's much more likely she'd be policy-lynched when most of her scumreads die as town and her confidence flops. In my experience towns that mislynch a couple times and lose their leaders to nightkills eventually grow paranoid of lurking scum and start lynching the kind of people that mafia would never kill while they still have the chance.
So for the moment I feel safe ignoring Klingon and focusing on other potential suspects. I might revisit her later in the game if I have to.
ott = over the top
Judging by Klingon's join date and post count I doubt she's going to continue like that. How are you so sure that most of her scumreads are town? Looks like you're preparing the ground for a future mislynch or bus (if she's a scumbuddy) here under the guise of a policy lynch.
They don't look genuine.In post 264, Tiger moth wrote:@ Fountain: Did you miss this?
In post 220, Tiger moth wrote:
What was bad about them?In post 182, Fountain of Dreams wrote:Bang's catch-up was bad.Kop's catch-up was bad.
Anyways, other head wants this and I don't tr this either.
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Ill elaborate on my reason on the cease and desist. I believed your post against Klingon was scummy but then when i poated what i did, your response and defense against my claims were very well out and i changed my view on your alignment. I apoligize for thinking you were scummy.In post 267, MiniDeathStar wrote:DAE think that Secret Agent Jin cease and desist was weird af? I've literally never seen that in any game I've ever played.-
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My bad. Somehow I missed the opening part of that para. I was focusing on your use of the words "policy lynch" and your suggestion that her confidence would flop when her reads die as town. It seemed odd to use the word policy there, not just lynch. If we're lynching someone we think is scum, that's not a policy lynch. And it's townies who lose confidence when their scumreads flip town, not scum who are glad to have got another mislynch. I think that was what gave me the impression that you were thinking of her as town there.In post 265, MiniDeathStar wrote:In the post you quoted I was speaking under the assumption Klingon is scum
I'm already addressing others but there hasn't been much I need to comment on yet. Fountain is stonewalling me so I'm not getting far there and most other stuff that's going on has either been questioned by others or I don't think is alignment telling.In post 265, MiniDeathStar wrote:And please start interacting with people who aren't me. You're not being helpful right now and I can't get a read on you if all you do is tunnel me with "she winked!!!" and "she's totally preparing a mislynch on this townread of hers!!!"-
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What's not genuine about them?In post 266, Fountain of Dreams wrote:They don't look genuine.
@ SAJ: Why are you apologising for your reads?-
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Addressing this for the sake of transparency and completedness. The reason I was hypothetically speaking about Klingon as scum was because you suggested that super confident early reads (which I townread her for) would be a good cover for scum-her. I don't think they would be. How would scum-her explain her confidence once it turns out she was wrong? Because she has to know that's what's coming. I feel like whatever excuse she makes town would stop buying it after a while and lynch her based on principle (rationalising that if she's town, she's an extra suspect scum would never kill). That's what I called a policy lynch. Towns close to judgement day consider everyone a suspect.In post 270, Tiger moth wrote:My bad. Somehow I missed the opening part of that para. I was focusing on your use of the words "policy lynch" and your suggestion that her confidence would flop when her reads die as town. It seemed odd to use the word policy there, not just lynch. If we're lynching someone we think is scum, that's not a policy lynch. And it's townies who lose confidence when their scumreads flip town, not scum who are glad to have got another mislynch. I think that was what gave me the impression that you were thinking of her as town there.
That's why the only sound explanation I have is that she genuinely believes she's found the scum. Why did *you* doubt my townread on her? Do you have a reason to suspect Klingon?
I've been extremely transparent with you and everyone who accused me and you still think I'm scum. Why?In post 270, Tiger moth wrote:I'm already addressing others but there hasn't been much I need to comment on yet. Fountain is stonewalling me so I'm not getting far there and most other stuff that's going on has either been questioned by others or I don't think is alignment telling.
Fountain hasn't answered your questions. What's your opinion on that? They scumread you, too. Why did you ignore that?
I also find it pretty hard to believe you just think I'm the most interesting person this game. I'm super generous with my explanations and open with my thoughts, even if they are just hunches. Why do you need *me* to elaborate further but don't probe your zillion null reads for information?
You say the other stuff has been questioned by others. You must have thought those questions were reasonable then, since you didn't mention them. Why don't you say which questions you think are reasonable?
Honestly I've seen very little actual content from you that's not suspicion on me that I've already addressed. You're actively lurking and I don't like that.
I don't like anything from you right now.
Fair enough. Still weird but I think I get it now. Don't worry, I wasn't going to give you the Transcend treatment. Your reads were bad but they were still reads, not... that.Secret Agent Jin wrote:Ill elaborate on my reason on the cease and desist. I believed your post against Klingon was scummy but then when i poated what i did, your response and defense against my claims were very well out and i changed my view on your alignment. I apoligize for thinking you were scummy.
That still doesn't mean I'm townreading you though.
To anyone who's wondering, I think the apology was directed to me as a person and not as a player. I would explain why but that would break the rules. Just forget about it.-
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I never force reads. Anytime someone says I have a post that seems fake or forced, they're lying, regardless of my alignment.In post 209, MiniDeathStar wrote: I take it this isn't the first time someone has called your reads forced?
Wat?In post 209, MiniDeathStar wrote:
Meta is super unreliable. Like for example, I've only been on the site for a month and I haven't finished a single game yet. I've literally no idea what the site meta is so how could I have taken part in it?In post 194, Klingoncelt wrote: I can't say too much at this point in time, but what I saw is becoming site meta.
I think you misunderstand.
The site meta is shifting. This may be due to new players coming from other sites and bringing those sites' influence with them. (All I can say at this point.)
How nice for you.In post 209, MiniDeathStar wrote:
Again, you can't be positive you've found 3 scum on page 1, based on the reasons you gave + "site meta". Assuming you're actually town, chances are you'll be tunneling the wrong people all game while the mafia rofl at you, or you'll have found some scum by pure luck like I feel you've done before.In post 198, Klingoncelt wrote:Okay, the Mafia are 3 of those 4.
If there's a Serial Killer he/she might be outside that group.
Either way, I think your reads are total rubbish and I'll likely ignore any future read you happen to conjure in case your rock solid confidence wavers.Klingoncelt: "The whole scumteam slipped on page 1. It's the new meta. Sheep me because my reads are so accurate that whoever I name gets mod-converted to scum."-MiniDeathStar
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