Open 657: JK9++ (Game over)

[Gamma Emerald]

FINALLY

VOTE: Spade_Ace

VOTE: Gamma

Let's put a fork in the road for everyone else then.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

PEDIT: Never mind.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-3.

Why would they vote the same person twice in a row?
Spade/FoD scum
Voting whichever has more votes

[Spade_Ace]

Transcend used to sign his posts, not sure why he isn't doing it here.

In post 99 FoD mentions that they have decided not to sign their posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

Both have one
@Klingoncelt your choice

[Spade_Ace]

post 99

[Spade_Ace]

@gamma I currently don't have any votes.

[Randomnamechange]

VC 1.3

lane0168 - L-7
Klingoncelt – L-7
Tiger Moth - L-7
Gamma Emerald - L-6 - Alban
Fountain of Dreams - L-6 - Lane0168
alban - L-6 - Klingoncelt
Charloux - L-7
Kop - L-7
MiniDeathStar - L-6 - Tiger Moth
Creature - L-6 - Gamma Emerald
Secret Agent Jin - L-6 - Fountain of Dreams
bangthemafia - L-7
Spade_Ace - L-7

Not Voting: Charloux, Kop, MiniDeathStar, Creature, Secret Agent Jin, bangthemafia, Spade_Ace
(expired on 2016-11-20 12:10:00)

[Charloux]

@MDS:I don't want to associate with gamma, and one of us will die soon enough. I will keep my read on klingon for a little bit.

[MiniDeathStar]

@MDS what makes you think he was defending you?

Okay, let's see...

Spoiler: The Empire Strikes Back

MDS

Lane's interrogation of you was awful.

Let's lynch him for that.

Fountain attacking Lane on my behalf.

MiniDeathStar's play is too Team Leader. The way she was sheeped is too. By you and Fountain.

Fountain throws Spade's name in for a split second, then sheeps Mini. I'll have to look through the Role Madness to see why Transcend hates me so much... found it - it's because I know how to play Wake non-bastard games. Someone got mad because as a Mason I called out the bad "Backup IC" claim. So his rage at me isn't exactly warranted.

Why are these scummy to you?

I personally think the whole idea that I was concerned about Gamma was ridiculous to begin with, but it seems like a few people disagree with me.

What would you define concern as?

Fountain attacking Klingon for FoSing me and themself.

Your whole post quoting Klingon reads as you panicking to me.

How did you interpret it as panicky?

As far as you being here a month and not finishing a game, i only have one other game to base my experience with you on and we both know how that went, i wont say anymore on that.

Why did you bring up this sentence then? What was the purpose of it?

I will give it to you that you argue your points well but i am waiting for the other shoe to drop with your playstyle.

What's the other shoe in her playstyle?

How confident you are, 1 being "hunch" and 10 being "literally modconfirmed", that the scumteam is in those 4 and they all just happened to be so obvious that you found them on page 1?

Also, this part of your post on Klingon looks like you are trying to pull information out of her

as to her role/alignment

so you can judge how much threat she poses to

your

the scumteam.

Referring to the bold, how would Kling's reply be role/alignment indicative?

Fountain grilling Jin after he laid his case on me.

Sorry for being so grumpy last night. I was very tired.

ott = over the top

Judging by Klingon's join date and post count I doubt she's going to continue like that. How are you so sure that most of her scumreads are town? Looks like you're preparing the ground for a future mislynch or bus (if she's a scumbuddy) here under the guise of a policy lynch.

Bad post. Welcome to the scum pile.

Fountain scumreading Tiger after her latest attack on me.

Also in most of those cases I already had written an elaborate defence. I didn't need his interference.

I mean, I could be imagining it and only noticing it as a pattern because it involves me. That's why I asked what the rest of you thought.

@MDS:I don't want to associate with gamma, and one of us will die soon enough. I will keep my read on klingon for a little bit.

That... is an interesting statement.

I literally don't know how to interpret this.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MDS:I don't want to associate with gamma, and one of us will die soon enough. I will keep my read on klingon for a little bit.

WTF?

[MiniDeathStar]

That was kind of my reaction, too, but I worded it a little better.

[Gamma Emerald]

@MDS:I don't want to associate with gamma, and one of us will die soon enough. I will keep my read on klingon for a little bit.

I think this has to do with reads
Give a read on me you lazy bum

[Secret Agent Jin]

I just dont even know what to say to Charloux's post. I mean, you dont want to associate with Gamma but why? One of you will die soon enough? Is that a kill threat on Gamma? Do you have the power to kill? Is that a slip?

[Fountain of Dreams]

Prodge

[Creature]

SAJ also looks town.

[Creature]

Maybe it is Tiger moth?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Fountain of Dreams

[Tiger moth]

Addressing this for the sake of transparency and completedness. The reason I was hypothetically speaking about Klingon as scum was because you suggested that super confident early reads (which I townread her for) would be a good cover for scum-her. I don't think they would be. How would scum-her explain her confidence once it turns out she was wrong? Because she has to know that's what's coming. I feel like whatever excuse she makes town would stop buying it after a while and lynch her based on principle (rationalising that if she's town, she's an extra suspect scum would never kill). That's what I called a policy lynch. Towns close to judgement day consider everyone a suspect.

That's why the only sound explanation I have is that she genuinely believes she's found the scum. Why did *you* doubt my townread on her? Do you have a reason to suspect Klingon?

I never suggested that super confident early reads would be a good cover. I had the impression that it was poor play and tunnelling you were talking about (from 213 and 216) where you said that she might have no clue what to do next if her reads were lynched and would be lynchbait. That's why I said what I did in 263. It didn't look right in view of her experience.

Do you have a reason to suspect Klingon?

Not up to now except by association.

I've been extremely transparent with you and everyone who accused me and you still think I'm scum. Why?

For the reasons I've already given plus the fact that you keep trying to draw my attention back to you while at the same time complaining that I'm looking at you. The bulk of 272 is a good example of that. It's a weak read but it's there.

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Klingon is making a lot of assumptions in 275 and 276.

Getting an odd feeling about Charloux.

Vote: Fountain of Dreams

[Klingoncelt]

I know Alban's playstyle. A scum-Alban would never do that. On the other hand, I am really worried why you are so fixated with that one Avatar thing.

*sigh*

Alban told Spade to get an avi. Good advice, one should do that when one sees that one's friend doesn't have an avi. Problem is, Spade had not yet posted, so how did Alban know there was no avi?

Alban noticed in the Scum PT.

Alban claimed that no, he went to Spade's profile, because he likes to ISO the players and study before a game. He noticed the lack of avatar there.

Spade shows up and says that Alban is an old friend and very familiar with his playstyle.

Alban then changed his story to say he was checking up on Spade to make sure Spade was adjusting well to this new site. Except Alban never bothered to PM Spade, which is kinda creepy if you're crawling all over someone's profile to see how they're doing.

It is pretty clear that Alban can't keep his story straight.

Please help me lynch Alban today.

What?! Talk about fixation! Cant you think of a simpler townie explanation, Kling? Where did Alban change his story? I thought he just said he was seeing the players profile for this game and noticed Spade without an avatar. Isnt it possible that Alban saw Spade's profile first time only after the game started. Noticing that someone joined 1 week back does not mean that you have seen their profile 1 week back. Alban can very well be a scum. All I am saying is that first you are using wrong reason to slot him as scum. Two, you are fixated on that and not even ready to consider any other possibility. Three, you are actually reaching others to come vote him for your reason.

Alban claimed that no, he went to Spade's profile, because he likes to ISO the players and study before a game.

Spade said that Alban's very familiar with his play.

Alban then changed his story to say he was checking up on Spade to make sure Spade was adjusting well to this new site.

Alban changed his story.

How can you not see that?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Klingoncelt: vote Fountain, they're scum

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingoncelt:

I never force reads. Anytime someone says I have a post that seems fake or forced, they're lying, regardless of my alignment.

You mean you genuinely 'scumread' people as mafia? I don't buy that.

I make it look genuine.

The only time my posts have a chance of looking forced or fake is when I'm very sick.

I can see I was wrong about you, too:

She can't possibly expect anyone to sheep those votes right now.

Please help me lynch Alban today.

In which case, what was up with this?

I'm a shit player on Day1, or at least that's my reputation. I expect to be ignored. So rather than waste my time trying to start wagons or anything I'll just point fingers today.

Here's you admitting you're a shit player on Day 1, yet you think I'm scum for doubting your reads and ignoring you. You're also admitting you wouldn't "waste your time trying to start wagons", but half your posts are you wasting your time trying to start an alban wagon.

Literally the only reason I'm townreading you right now is because I think your strategy is horrible scum play. But you know what? It's also horrible town play. Please pull it together or at least stop looking so scummy.

Quit white knighting the Scum.

I am a shit player on D1, but every now and again Scum will hand me something on a silver platter.

I'm positive that this is one of those silver platter times.

[Klingoncelt]

I wonder if the Tenshii head actually posted.

I've been wondering that myself.

[Klingoncelt]

Let's put a fork in the road for everyone else then.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

PEDIT: Never mind.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-3.

This: if Spade Ace flips scum this could be fake pressuring a scumbuddy

Agreed

[Klingoncelt]

Let's put a fork in the road for everyone else then.

VOTE: Spade_Ace

PEDIT: Never mind.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-3.

This: if Spade Ace flips scum this could be fake pressuring a scumbuddy

What I realised is this is what probably happened. One head voted for me and the other head voted for gamma. The second head then saw the other vote and modified his comment with a PEDIT

You can't edit posts like that.

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingoncelt: vote Fountain, they're scum

They're on my Scum list, so okay -

VOTE: Fountain of Dreams

[MiniDeathStar]

@Klingoncelt: vote Fountain, they're scum

I see you're the new Harkonnen.
I bet alban's going to jump with joy. /s

I never suggested that super confident early reads would be a good cover. I had the impression that it was poor play and tunnelling you were talking about (from 213 and 216) where you said that she might have no clue what to do next if her reads were lynched and would be lynchbait. That's why I said what I did in 263. It didn't look right in view of her experience.

It takes one to know one. When you're super super sure you've found the mafia, you subconsciously read everything from them as scummy and everything from the rest as town. Then when a suspect of yours dies as town, you'll be back at square zero and have to acquire reads all over again. Do this twice and town starts suspecting you of leading mislynches. This can happen regardless of your experience, because we all make mistakes and we're all vulnerable to confirmation bias.

Right now you're doing the same thing. You've already decided I'm scum (or a good lynch) and anything I say and do feeds into your read, like... a wink emote.

you keep trying to draw my attention back to you while at the same time complaining that I'm looking at you

I only started seriously engaging you after I got fed up with your bullshit tunnel on me. Everything else before that was just me defending myself. That's not "drawing your attention", it's the opposite. Should I have ignored your accusations instead?

Klingon is making a lot of assumptions in 275 and 276.

Getting an odd feeling about Charloux.

Vote: Fountain of Dreams

You don't say.