Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Tammy]

I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.

I was thinking the same thing. I liked her approach to infinity in general but #47 was a pretty quality post

Yep, that was the post that prompted the read.

[shaddowez]

I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.

You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.

They're pretty much the same.

Infinity

, here's your answer: I tend to be nitpicky about semantics. One of the phrases is more assertive than the other, which often times comes from town. The other leaves a little bit of room for maneuverability, which often times comes from scum. In this case they are pretty much the same, but the phrasing can still be indicative of things.

[Nachomamma8]

In this case they are pretty much the same, but the phrasing can still be indicative of things.

I think that phrasing is indicative of personality over alignment in an overwhelming majority of cases. I can't really think of a time where I've been scum and I've used less confident language as scum because...? Is this something you do when you're scum? Is this something that you've seen from other players frequently?

[Nachomamma8]

Oh I forgot that I was going to tell you that part of me hoped you got scum because you've been on a town streak and you'd probably like it, but the bigger part of me just hopes you're town.

I'm glad I got town too. It wasn't what I was hoping for initially sure but suddenly am very glad that it happened this way.
The game at the Syndicate is a different story entirely.

[shaddowez]

I wouldn't say frequently, but it is something I've seen. It's definitely possible that it's personality related (for example, I highly doubt I'd ever catch someone like Thor this way), but it is something I look at when things could have been phrased slightly differently.

[Nachomamma8]

I wouldn't say frequently, but it is something I've seen. It's definitely possible that it's personality related (for example, I highly doubt I'd ever catch someone like Thor this way), but it is something I look at when things could have been phrased slightly differently.

What makes you think that Tammy isn't someone like Thor?
She is in the top 90% of scumhunters on site, you know.

[shaddowez]

What makes you think that Tammy isn't someone like Thor?

I meant particularly in posting style. Thor's posts, in the games I've been in with him at least, are almost entirely full steam ahead. That's why I used him as an example of not finding a non-assertive post.

[Nachomamma8]

The point that I'm dancing around here for reasons that I don't entirely comprehend is that Tammy has the opposite of a full steam ahead playstyle. This is her personality; her cat is named Waffles in part because of her tendency to waffle here and in part because she didn't name said cat for days (weeks?) because she couldn't settle on a name for him. Your point is super duper not alignment indicative in this specific case, but I can't really think of a time where it would be alignment indicative in general. It's a bad tell. Do you have anything else?

[Kagami]

I think wisdom and infinity are the same alignment.

[Nachomamma8]

I think wisdom and infinity are the same alignment.

What rules out the Infinity-scum and Wisdom-town combination?

[Kagami]

Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.

[Wisdom]

that's what I mean; after I noted that I disliked his trying too hard re: my joke, he moved on to doing the same in regards to farside, like he didn't care at all

[Nachomamma8]

Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.

How do you think he would have responded to it as scum? I'm skeptical because I'm not really sure how him giving weight to that opinion would translate to the thread, if that makes sense.

[Tammy]

I think in general people word things according to how they write and feel. I'm not sure how strongly asserted a page two read is supposed to be. Most people just structure their sentences the same regardless of alignment. You don't need room to maneuver; you can always change your mind with new information and posts. I've never understood the people who play scum leaving room open to do that, but I think it's probably a comfortability thing.

I'm not sure how scum!infinity would react or behave in relation to a small thing like a try-hard tell. In the maze game, he didn't change up his game when someone scum read him early. In fact, changing your game when a person points something out is a red flag.

[Tammy]

Oh and it was a month my cat went without a name.

[Kagami]

Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.

How do you think he would have responded to it as scum? I'm skeptical because I'm not really sure how him giving weight to that opinion would translate to the thread, if that makes sense.

I think it would translate, at the very least, in him thinking that farside potentially had a reasonable motive for voting him, which doesn't come across in our discussion of farside's motives.

[Nachomamma8]

In fact, changing your game when a person points something out is a red flag.

It's also awkward as hell to even try to change your play mid-game like that.

[Nachomamma8]

Rule out is prob a bit strong, but scum-infinity would consider that town-wisdom was correct about him tryhard-ing and would give particular weight to that opinion.

Instead he appears to have completely ignored wisdom's post in considering farside's position.

How do you think he would have responded to it as scum? I'm skeptical because I'm not really sure how him giving weight to that opinion would translate to the thread, if that makes sense.

I think it would translate, at the very least, in him thinking that farside potentially had a reasonable motive for voting him, which doesn't come across in our discussion of farside's motives.

That makes sense.

[Kagami]

My fundamental issue with this whole thing is that his treatment of wisdom's "me no like tryharding" attack and farside's emptyish vote attack is oddly asymmetrical.

In going into the farside thing, I didn't get any sense of why he questioned her beyond (ironically) a desire to appear to be doing something.

[Nachomamma8]

In going into the farside thing, I didn't get any sense of why he questioned her beyond (ironically) a desire to appear to be doing something.

Yeah, I didn't really understand it either.

I do think that it's interesting that he was in a "question everything" sort of mood and let the try-hard accusation go unanswered, didn't catch that before.

[SirCakez]

I'm late rip

VOTE: wisdom

[Wraith]

I'm late rip

VOTE: wisdom

Mr. Scruffy would like to know if this is an RVS vote or has actual backing.

[SirCakez]

It has backing

[Wraith]

It has backing

Mr. Scruffy says "You're right."

This is an awfully strange 180:

infinity you're trying too hard and me no like

says infinity who tried to question a joke

I will also agree with the townreads on Infinity.

I think that him continuing to nitpick things and defend that way of playing despite people clearly finding it odd and worth questioning shows lack of scum motivation.

Vote: Wisdom

[farside22]

Oh joy I'm being discussed.
It always feels like someone who talks about you without addressing you is a peeve I've had. Trying to step in bugs me too.

That's just me ranting a bit.

Now that I got that out of my system my vote on Infinity is serious.
I don't see why my vote should bother him or being questioned. He knows I've been a type to not to conform.
Wraith is another scum read I have currently.

The paranoid person in me is scared that I'm town read kagami. It's mostly hypothetically paranoia so I'm just noting it for now.