Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Infinity 324]

So re the first point, you're saying that I as scum, recognized the obvious joke yet tried to push it when I knew the push would fall apart because ???

And the only reason I posted so much about my comment wrt farside is because kagami questioned me on it.

But I don't think this is a good vote anymore. I'm getting slight townvibes from wraith

VOTE: wisdom

I don't like how much fluff this guy has

[Wisdom]

his stance on me is basically "here's an 180, ill ignore everything in between because its convenient", "here's a convienient excuse kraska gave me, ill quote it and say that's the case" and "ill conveniently ignore all wisdom's posts on the topic i supposedly find him scummy for"

pedit: @kraska

[Infinity 324]

So re the first point, you're saying that I as scum, recognized the obvious joke yet tried to push it when I knew the push would fall apart because ???

And the only reason I posted so much about my comment wrt farside is because kagami questioned me on it.

But I don't think this is a good vote anymore. I'm getting slight townvibes from wraith

VOTE: wisdom

I don't like how much fluff this guy has

@wraith

[Nachomamma8]

to be clearer:

Making a post without being over the top tryhard is not a playstyle adjustment,

therefore arguing "yeah he wouldnt playstyle adjust so you dont have a point" is bullshit

Bolded is true if your sense that he was trying unnaturally hard early was correct. It's not true if he just has a nitpicky playstyle as scum.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't like how much fluff this guy has

Explain? This seems like a ridiculous reason for voting.

[Wisdom]

I think I'll stay put for now. I don't really like Wisdom's reaction to my vote and quite a few of his posts afterward are asking people to validate his scumread of me.

and now he avoids talking to me

[Wisdom]

I don't like how much fluff this guy has

what fluff? i have zero fluff

the rest of your post is crap too but I dont want to scumread you because I feel you wouldnt be attempting to antagonize me while Im townreading you

[kraska77]

his stance on me is basically "here's an 180, ill ignore everything in between because its convenient", "here's a convienient excuse kraska gave me, ill quote it and say that's the case" and "ill conveniently ignore all wisdom's posts on the topic i supposedly find him scummy for"

pedit: @kraska

okay i just think that discussion is going nowhere at this point so why dont u poke him about other things

[Infinity 324]

I don't like how much fluff this guy has

Explain? This seems like a ridiculous reason for voting.

Quite a bit of non-scumhunting related stuff, a few reads, and not much questioning in his ISO. That's it

I think we're playstyle clashing because you're a lot more methodical than I am. Early game a lot of what I do is to spit out things that come to my mind in order to generate discussion

[Nachomamma8]

I didn't want to explain my reasons right away, but then I realized there wasn't a particular reason to hold them back

I like this post.

You respond to the response to my question but don't answer the question...

Sorry, I thought I answered it at work. I questioned shaddowez on the point because I thought it was weak and silly and I wanted to see if she was genuine about it. Did you think my line of questioning was unreasonable?

[Wisdom]

his stance on me is basically "here's an 180, ill ignore everything in between because its convenient", "here's a convienient excuse kraska gave me, ill quote it and say that's the case" and "ill conveniently ignore all wisdom's posts on the topic i supposedly find him scummy for"

pedit: @kraska

okay i just think that discussion is going nowhere at this point so why dont u poke him about other things

he opted out of talking with me so

also stop answering for him

[Nachomamma8]

non-scumhunting related stuff

This is what I'm disagreeing with specifically. Where are you seeing this?

[Wisdom]

quote one post not related to scumhunting or townhunting other than my tammy joke in the beginning please, infinity

[PeregrineV]

pere why are u still voting cakeman

86

Based on the progression of Tammy/ Nacho posts preceding it.

[kraska77]

this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are

So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in 39. I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.

im half asleep at this point i'll reply to this tomorrow but damn this is too much work

[Nachomamma8]

it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat

Wisdom's side makes more sense; I think you're giving Wraith credit for things that he didn't actually say.

[Nachomamma8]

this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are

So, to the point about "stopping probing and flexing muscles", I don't really disagree with your statement but I'm thinking you're missing intent. First of all, I don't really think Kagami had any more probing to do on that particular point; Infinity had already given his reasons for farside and showed that he wasn't thinking about it particular hard. Second of all, the "flexing muscles" bit didn't come out of the blue; it came after Infinity told Kagami she was thinking too much in 39. I don't think the action is in and of itself a scumtell (I do it plenty as both alignments to show people that I'm thinking more about things than they think I am), and I think it made sense there as a way to show Infinity the direction she was taking (digging on whether he thought that farside was voting him because of Wisdom or not). Coaching tells are pretty silly in general, and I'm not sure why you don't think that Kagami would end an interaction in the way she did if she didn't really draw any conclusions from it. Her read also doesn't seem to be based on farside's motivations. She explained why she thought Infinity-scum might buy into Wisdom-town's reasoning (and thus assume farside's vote on it was based on that as a result); I don't really agree with it since I think that it's completely possible Infinity-scum thought Wisdom's reasons sucked despite Wisdom being town, but I don't understand why this would bother you overmuch. Her actual read on Infinity and not Infinity in the context of pairs seems to be based on his approach to farside (which doesn't have anything to do with farside's motivation) and maybe a couple things she commented on, so I'm not sure you're interpreting that right either.

im half asleep at this point i'll reply to this tomorrow but damn this is too much work

sorry! i realized it was way too long halfway through but I couldn't stop myself

[Nachomamma8]

shaddow, kagami, wisdom, tammy hey guys who are u reading as scum

oh and nacho too

wraith/cakez/maybe leon

[Infinity 324]

I didn't want to explain my reasons right away, but then I realized there wasn't a particular reason to hold them back

I like this post.

You respond to the response to my question but don't answer the question...

Sorry, I thought I answered it at work. I questioned shaddowez on the point because I thought it was weak and silly and I wanted to see if she was genuine about it. Did you think my line of questioning was unreasonable?

Ok. It seemed like you were trying to argue "your point is bad" without a reason I could see on the surface.

Did you get anything out of it?

[Wisdom]

nacho, what's your read on shaddow?

[Nachomamma8]

Ok. It seemed like you were trying to argue "your point is bad" without a reason I could see on the surface.

Did you get anything out of it?

I'm getting things out of it, yes. Why did you think that me addressing it in the way that I did was odd when also thought it was a weird way to scumhunt when you first saw it?

[PeregrineV]

i just went through shadows iso...nothing stands out to me so far...but he needs to post more content bc most of his iso is about his pedantic comment on tammy's post

Agree with this.

I just went through shadow's ISO and I don't really like it

It does my heart good to see a couple get back together after a fight....

[Nachomamma8]

nacho, what's your read on shaddow?

don't have one

[Nachomamma8]

i didn't really like her response to my questions but i'm also not sure if she knows any better

[PeregrineV]

I have kraska as #3. Let me double check.

I would be 4.