Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Wisdom]

With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.

and i'll ask again

Do you know me for someone who hesitates to get wagons on people when I'm scum?

Do you know me for someone who generally cares about the general opinion as scum?

[Infinity 324]

cakes' case is very shallow

[Kagami]

yep

[Nachomamma8]

With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.

were you bothered by the other two people on my wagon who also weren't scumreading me and yet were still voting me?

[Nachomamma8]

yep

^^

[Wisdom]

I agree, but then I don't remember him being so shallow as scum, so let's see what else he'll post

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Wraith

I haven't liked his pushes on Wisdom/Infinity, and I haven't liked how underwhelming and lame his posts have seemed in between. I didn't like him agreeing with kraska's interpretation of his vote on Wisdom; that's now how it came across initially at all and I think he agreed with it to make the initial vote look better.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Do you know me to be scared to push a scumread?

No, that's why I'm concerned

i really dislike kagami's interaction with infinity

Here's a spoiler on my fill in the blanks, infinity:

One likely reason for town-farside's vote is that she agrees with wisdom. The other reasons are uninteresting and generally in line with the "not wanting to take nacho to L-2" thought, though I don't think she'd vote you in particular if that were the case.

For scum-farside, the reason is once again Wisdom's earlier statement. She'd feel that there's a real possibility the wagon has legs and be happy to be on early, especially when there's not a real need to justify it. I find your reasoning to be fairly shallow and unlikely. I see no attempt to "appear to be doing something."

this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are

speaking of cringe posting.........................

I will also agree with the townreads on Infinity.

I think that him continuing to nitpick things and defend that way of playing despite people clearly finding it odd and worth questioning shows lack of scum motivation.

^this post gets a medal^
i mean whoa really?
adjust his playing style when the entire episode spanned like a couple of posts?

Kraska gets a townread for these posts (although I disagree re:kagami scum)

I think scum-wisdom would have pursued you more after the tryhard push.

I highly disagree.

wraith and cakez?

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

Cakez, are you feeling okay?

100%

Infinity's "fluff" push on Wisdom is crap (Wisdom is scum for other reasons), but I think it's so bad it has to be town.

P-edit:

With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.

and i'll ask again

Do you know me for someone who hesitates to get wagons on people when I'm scum?

Do you know me for someone who generally cares about the general opinion as scum?

Here's a better question
Do you hesitate to get wagons on people and care about the general opinion as town?

With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.

were you bothered by the other two people on my wagon who also weren't scumreading me and yet were still voting me?

No, because they weren't Wisdom. Wisdom is generally very aggressive with his vote.

[SirCakez]

Also

cakes' case is very shallow

yep

It was the 6th page when I made the vote. Were you expecting a large case? His ISO was like 10 posts at that point.

[Nachomamma8]

Still don't have a read on Infinity which is sort of worrying. I like his "I think we're just misunderstanding each other/I need to sleep so my playstyle meshes better/I'm playing badly I'll step it up!!" post and I kind of like how he doesn't back off from the Wisdom-fluffposting line despite being pretty obviously wrong about it but I don't like what he's questioning so far and I don't like how it felt like he slithered away from me/Wisdom when we were in the middle of questioning him, felt more like appeasing as opposed to an actual change of thought and he didn't really stand behind his read on the fluffposting thing which is sort of weird to me.

Tammy, what do you think about Infinity this game?

[Wisdom]

Here's a better question
Do you hesitate to get wagons on people and care about the general opinion as town?

no.
so we basically agree I am being different here.
does different mean scum?

[Nachomamma8]

100%

god damn it cakez. you were supposed to say "yeah, why?".

[Nachomamma8]

and i was going to say "because it's page 13 and you're still not pushing a ridiculous case on me yet!" and then everyone would have had a good laugh but you ruined everything.

[SirCakez]

Here's a better question
Do you hesitate to get wagons on people and care about the general opinion as town?

no.
so we basically agree I am being different here.
does different mean scum?

In this playerlist, I think yes

100%

god damn it cakez. you were supposed to say "yeah, why?".

P-edit: I'm terrified to push you after our last two games together lol

[Wisdom]

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

also as I said when Kagami said the same, I didn't mean for both you and Wraith to be scum with that post

Kagami was asking for guesses about her two favorite lynches after all, doesn't mean they have to be connected

[Wisdom]

In this playerlist, I think yes

hm?
You think this playerlist should make me aggressive?

[Nachomamma8]

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

I highly disagree.

Why?

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

I don't agree with this at all.
1) Two scum voting together is not unlikely enough where town having the thought is unreasonable. 2) I don't think that Wisdom necessarily was thinking of who they were voting because I sure as hell didn't; my early uneasyness with you is mostly due to you seeming underwhelming compared to usualCakez, didn't really factor in your vote on Wisdom into that read.

[Nachomamma8]

P-edit: I'm terrified to push you after our last two games together lol

well, this is reassuring.
by the way, I'm sorry for going off on you in Real Folks Blues as much as I did - I was very very frustrated with another game at the time and I think that a bit of my frustration over there bled over to Real Folks Blues and I'm sorry for that; I do think that your push on me there was pretty silly but typically it wouldn't piss me off in the way that it did and if you do end up misreading me here I promise not to be as much of an ass this time around although I will probably make fun of you a lot.

[Nachomamma8]

what are your hot takes on people not named Wisdom or Infinity?

[Wisdom]

no I did remember they were both voting me as that's what caused my scumlean on them in both cases

[Nachomamma8]

fair enough.

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

also as I said when Kagami said the same, I didn't mean for both you and Wraith to be scum with that post

Kagami was asking for guesses about her two favorite lynches after all, doesn't mean they have to be connected

But your next post implied you thought both of us were scum and Kagami changed your mind

maybe not both, but one of them probably is

talk to me about shadow and leon. I don't have a read on either

In this playerlist, I think yes

hm?
You think this playerlist should make me aggressive?

I think that you would be normal with these players if you were town here, but the fact you're holding back and going along with the crowd reads to me like scum trying to be cautious around this very strong playerlist.
To compare, you were very aggressive as scum in Soccer Spirits, but that playerlist was much weaker in general imo

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

I highly disagree.

Why?

-Because that's terribad logic in general. I would call anyone who pushed logic like that scummy.
-For the above reasons.

There's no way town you would think that both people voting you are scum together.

I don't agree with this at all.
1) Two scum voting together is not unlikely enough where town having the thought is unreasonable. 2) I don't think that Wisdom necessarily was thinking of who they were voting because I sure as hell didn't; my early uneasyness with you is mostly due to you seeming underwhelming compared to usualCakez, didn't really factor in your vote on Wisdom into that read.

-I think it's unlikely enough that he wouldn't have brought it up. Kagami shot it down immediately.
-Wisdom is usually super active with his early vote though. Plus it's not like other people weren't voting.

P-edit: I'm terrified to push you after our last two games together lol

well, this is reassuring.
by the way, I'm sorry for going off on you in Real Folks Blues as much as I did - I was very very frustrated with another game at the time and I think that a bit of my frustration over there bled over to Real Folks Blues and I'm sorry for that; I do think that your push on me there was pretty silly but typically it wouldn't piss me off in the way that it did and if you do end up misreading me here I promise not to be as much of an ass this time around although I will probably make fun of you a lot.

I was terrible there, you don't need to apologize

what are your hot takes on people not named Wisdom or Infinity?

Kraska townread like I said in my quotewall, tentatively leaning town on you, Tammy and Kagami for various reasons
Leon's entrance was pretty bad so that's a scumlean
The lack of Bulbazak presence is also concerning me

[Wisdom]

I think that you would be normal with these players if you were town here, but the fact you're holding back and going along with the crowd reads to me like scum trying to be cautious around this very strong playerlist.
To compare, you were very aggressive as scum in Soccer Spirits, but that playerlist was much weaker in general imo

i dont think these assumptions have any ground
I can't be town opting to not be aggressive for once because..?

[Nachomamma8]

tentatively leaning town on you

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey look a wild "Bumpabeast"!