Micro 659: Game Of Thrones S1E2 GAME OVER

[Wisdom]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

[Wisdom]

eh
good thing im probably right about you being scum and ill die tonight
i cant stand this game

[pirate mollie]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

your last posts are fake as shit. so what is your read on kuroi?

[KuroiXHF]

and actually ugh. I know a player who refused to claim in a recent game and they were town.

kraeg is going about it very similarly

I need to rethink about things.

UNVOTE: kraeg

I really loved my kraeg/kuroi scumteam tho

Don't worry. Even if Kraeg is town, I could still be scum!

[Wisdom]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

bullshit
refusing to claim is personality related and has nothing to do with alignment
it's just a weak excuse for you to leave the wagon

[pirate mollie]

seriously? him refusing to claim is what makes you rethink about things?

yep. cos it is claim refusal seems to come from stubborn town than dumb scum, who refuses to claim on d1.

bullshit
refusing to claim is personality related and has nothing to do with alignment
it's just a weak excuse for you to leave the wagon

and I don't think that you are so incredibly stupid to have not learned 1 single thing from the last we completed.

like srsly are you?

I am not going to respond to you until you get your head out of your ass cos unlike you I don't want to drown the game in a stupid back and forth with you until I have a better grasp of the gamestate. if you are really being this obtuse and are town then I think that you really DO need to take a break, cos you are missing a lot of town cues from other players and in the last game you were too busy trying to scramble around trying to save face and salvage your ego instead of owning where you fucked up and learning from it. if you are scum carry on I guess.

@ every1 else:

it has been in my experience that town are more likely to refuse to claim than scum and based off of my recent experience where I had to watch a town player that I adore get crucified cos I was scum cos he was lynched based off of that and I don't want a repeat especially since I am town this game. if your experience is different than mine plz show me the error of my ways.

the only player that I have seen do that as scum is cupcake and well, ITS CUPCAKE.

@ kuroi - sure you can be scum but it won't be for the reasons that I thought that they were so I am starting from scratch with you.

[pirate mollie]

I am going to try to tone down from now on

[KuroiXHF]

I'm V/LA until Monday. Per my sig, I'm usually not checking games much.

[GuiltyLion]

What are you hoping to get from these questions?

Scum generally need to make up reasons to scum read people. Considering Kraeg is saying he thinks there's scum on his wagon, it'd be interesting to see who he thinks it is and why. It can also help support associatives/distancing if he flips red.

As for GL, he hasn't really provided much this game, so similarly I'm trying to get content from him. Engaging people and getting information is the only way for us to root out the scum.

This answer was a lot better then expected, good reasoning behind both of those

I don't think his answer was all that good, and it's strange to me that you took your foot off the gas here. Are you still scumreading shaddowez? If not then what exactly is in this post that scum!shaddowez could not have faked

I know you said you didn't think that anything so far was particularly scummy, but what you think about shaddowez overall and do you think this answer means anything?

eh, shaddowez keeps making these robotic posts which ping me on a gut level but in the end I do feel he's legitimately trying to game-solve. Like he's asked me a couple useless questions which initially I thought may have been scummy, but then he posts stuff like this:

Asking questions is the only way to determine motivations, and information we gain from other players is the only tool we have to use. Just letting people say/do things without wondering why can only mean you don't care about the reasons.

which makes me think it's a playstyle thing more than an alignment thing.

Cakez's pivot on him was what I was trying to explore, because it looks to me like he felt like he needed an excuse to drop his push on shaddowez so he could hop on the Kraeg wagon

[GuiltyLion]

hey mollie

I think people want to lynch Kraeg because he threw up a "go ahead and lynch me, scum is on my wagon" response when I nudged his wagon along

are you thinking that his posting is townie or just not-scummy

I think it is not scummy.

can you walk me through your reads?

you have wis and cc as town and i don't see it.

I have read through everything, now I'm just replying to things in order, so these reads are through all 11 pages

town: {Wisdom, CC, shaddowez}
not-quite-town: {mollie, BBT, Kraeg, Kuroi}
scum: {Cakez}

I can't see Wisdom as scum, he's been creating content the whole game and I vibe with his slightly militant way of calling people out (stuff like 29, 79), especially for the early game. there's no fear in his posts. with respect to CC, he interjected himself into the Expedience-Cakez dialogue without trying to picking out one side or the other as scummy, which is what I was looking to see if he would do when I asked him about it. Also posting 112 without unvoting strikes me as townie as well, scum would be a lot more self-conscious about doubtcasting a wagon that they're still sitting on.

[GuiltyLion]

Shit.

Later today, I swear.

I'll vote you if I don't get anything by tomorrow.

this vote never happened

Kuroi, why haven't you joined the BBT wagon?

[GuiltyLion]

hey mollie

I think people want to lynch Kraeg because he threw up a "go ahead and lynch me, scum is on my wagon" response when I nudged his wagon along

are you thinking that his posting is townie or just not-scummy

This post seems very two-sided to me. You admit that you nudged the wagon along, without actually voting him. Additionally, you're almost hand waving away and cherry picking the argument, making it sound like you're dismissing the scum read. So which is it?

eh well I thought at the time that Kraeg hit L-1 quite rapidly, so I nudged it along to see how he'd react and whether anyone would bail from the wagon or defend him and why.

What happened was he was actually only at L-2 since Cakez had moved his vote, but then Cakez jumped back on and mollie started questioning why he was a wagon before voting him again. If Wisdom and CC are town and Kraeg is a targeted mislynch for today, then it's likely that one of mollie or Cakez is scum.

[GuiltyLion]

your reasoning on BBT is literally "he's prod-dodging, means he's scum"

you can't possibly expect us to take this seriously

BBT is skilled enough that he would never resort to lurking, it's crystal clear that the prod dodging is happening because he actually doesn't have time for the game.

I take it seriously, scum!BBT lurked out of Hot Fuzz mafia, and only posted to hammer mislynches on D1 and D2.

[GuiltyLion]

Essentially, you're saying, "I'm as confident of him being scum as I possibly can be without a confirmed cop result." Is that correct?

i dont actually know
his posts feel so contrived so consistently that im starting to think hes just THAT bad
which i shouldnt be thinking ever because its against common sense but blame the years of me seeing bad town players playing badly

But I mean, people don't ever say, "If I'm wrong, I'm going to be taking a break," unless you're that certain of someone flipping scum. That's like saying, "I'll bet you a million bucks that..." You wouldn't say that unless you were that sure.

I don't like how Kuroi is riffing on this at all, it's a lot of framing

[GuiltyLion]

anyway that's my shotgun of catchup posts for now, let me know if I missed anything

I'd like a Cakez/Kuroi/BBT lynchpool for today

[Wisdom]

GL is town

[Radja]

Day 1, VC 6

The Hand of the King, Jon Arryn, is dead. Who will be the successor?

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BlueBloodedToffee (3)

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GuiltyLion, shaddowez, Kraeg

Kraeg (1)

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SirCakez

Wisdom (1)

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BlueBloodedToffee

SirCakez (1)

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Wisdom

KuroiXHF (1)

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ConvergentConclusion

GuiltyLion (1)

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KuroiXHF

Not Voting (1)

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pirate mollie

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline is on November 20th at 11:00 PM(GMT+1) or in (expired on 2016-11-30 23:00:00).

Mod Notes -
shaddowez is on V/LA until November 14
KuroiXHF is on V/LA until November 14

I said stop using that damn picture, damn it!

This is the day 1 picture. Deal with it

[Wisdom]

VOTE: bbt

L-1

[SirCakez]

Cakez's pivot on him was what I was trying to explore, because it looks to me like he felt like he needed an excuse to drop his push on shaddowez so he could hop on the Kraeg wagon

Well yeah the stuff Kraeg was posting was unbelievably scummy and Shaddowez had good reactions soooo the conclusion there is obvious for me

BBT I have 0 read on so I guess I'm fine with him going? The Kraeg wagon collapse is infuriating though.

[pirate mollie]

at least now I have pinpointed as to why I hate playing town in mafia as of late.

[Radja]

BlueBloodedToffee has been prodded.

[ConvergentConclusion]

@Mod

I'm sorry, but I must replace out.

[Radja]

looking for a replacement for ConvergentConclusion

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuck fuck fuck

I swear I'll get to this. If not by Tuesday night I'll replace out

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That was me responding to a prod.

Wagon on me is lol though.