Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Infinity 324]

If someone wants to meta me, they can ask me for links and do it properly. I would never play like this as scum, and I didn't even play like this in poker mafia.

No shit it's a quick turnaround, it's page 19 and I don't have any strong scumreads. If someone does something scummy I'll vote.

And forgive me if I don't remember the specifics of a game that ended months ago.

It might do you some good to consider town motivation

[Infinity 324]

But if you think I'm bussing wraith, get back on wraith

[Wisdom]

farside you are wrong here

[Infinity 324]

By the way farside, I would love it if you actually engaged with me or with people who townread me...tunneling on someone without considering their town motivation and without engaging with them is just shitty play, I'm sorry.

[Kagami]

I'd like to hear a bit more about your Tammy, nacho, and kraska reads before I reconsider that^

Not much more to say on that front.

Nacho - Competent, insightful, and even-handed. We're thinking along the same lines but Nacho is much better at expressing it. He's made plenty of observations that have influenced my thinking

Kraska - Nacho-lite. Has had a knack for picking up on what's motivating my posts when Wisdom has attacked them. I disagree with several of her reads but to each their own.

Tammy - Has made some good contributions thus far. But as said, Tammy seems like the type of player that's hard to evaluate for certain without some flips because making good contributions seems effortless to her.

Okies, how about a bit of detail on bulb too, to the best of your ability.

[Kagami]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

What does this mean about wraith's post? I'm not sure how to interpret it

[Wraith]

@Kagami: For Bulb he's managed to make a better impression in ten posts than several more active players in this game. I think he's spot on about Wisdom in #385 even though I don't have the same meta. His #392, 396, and 429 are also good. He was late to the day but he hit the ground running and I can see how he's forming his reads easily.

[SirCakez]

I agree Wraith's wall was pretty cruddy (reminds me of the huge walls I did in Soccer Spirits as scum, lots of "content" that's actually just from surface-level skimming and not real analysis), but his interactions with Wisdom continue to put me off that vote
Their interactions through page 19 don't look like buddies at all and Wisdom remains my stronger scumread of the two.

[Wisdom]

your reason for scumreading me is still bad

[Kagami]

I don't dislike the wall at all, except perhaps for wisdoms point,which isn't horribly damning

[Infinity 324]

sup

[farside22]

By the way farside, I would love it if you actually engaged with me or with people who townread me...tunneling on someone without considering their town motivation and without engaging with them is just shitty play, I'm sorry.

Pot this is kettle.
How are you doing?
You aren't really engaging me but I noted you threw shade pretty fast.

If someone wants to meta me, they can ask me for links and do it properly. I would never play like this as scum, and I didn't even play like this in poker mafia.

No shit it's a quick turnaround, it's page 19 and I don't have any strong scumreads. If someone does something scummy I'll vote.

And forgive me if I don't remember the specifics of a game that ended months ago.

It might do you some good to consider town motivation

Would you like a review of what poker mafia had?
You defending mm, who was town.
Me making pre-flip associations.

Tell me how you go from wraith looking like he is scum hunting to voting for him?

[Infinity 324]

I don't need to engage with you. You're the one calling me scum. It's your responsibility to engage with me and ask questions and figure out if your scumread is correct.

Your implication that my "defense" of wraith in this game is similar to my defense of mm in poker mafia is laughable. I defend town and sometimes scum as both alignments. And as I said before, I can't be fucked to remember your specific actions from a game that ended months ago. You seem to take a large amount of issue with me asking a question with respect to that for some reason.

Great, we have a question! Although, if you looked at the post where I voted, it would answer your question completely. When I'm null on someone before, and they do something scummy, well then they might just turn into a scumread.

[Infinity 324]

Whatever you want to say about him, he's scumhunting now.

I think your issue might be with the wording of this post

I meant to say something more along the lines of "he's scumhunting or pretending to scumhunt"

[Tammy]

Okay let's take a look at shadow's short ISO

Firstly, it's somewhat of a good sign to me that both Wisdom and SirCakez both scumread him. It's a little early in the game though to present doubts on that front for fear of WIFOM.

I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.

You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.

Fluff IMO

I believe I have an early leaning town read on kagami.

You believe you do, or you do? They're not quite the same.

They're pretty much the same.

Infinity

, here's your answer: I tend to be nitpicky about semantics. One of the phrases is more assertive than the other, which often times comes from town. The other leaves a little bit of room for maneuverability, which often times comes from scum. In this case they are pretty much the same, but the phrasing can still be indicative of things.

I don't like semantic arguments. That's just me. Semantic arguments are a scumtell to me. That's probably because I strongly prefer VCA and logical/data-based arguments than attempting to analyze word choice or emotional expression. I think it's absolutely impossible to accurately analyze someone's emotional state over the internet.

...snip...
Kagami is spending all his time trying to sort specifically me, which is odd to me. But he still seems town for now. Gut town lean on Tammy.

VOTE: wraith

Two things. First, if you have a read on a particular person, shouldn't you pursue that and/or pressure them? What's specifically odd about trying to sort out one person, especially without knowing their motivation for doing so? Second - why discuss other people in your post, and then vote Wraith with no other mention of him in your post?

This is an awfully strange 180:

Whats strange about it? The reason im townreading Infinity happened after those initial posts and actually have to do with how Infinity handled those posts.

I dont like this.

Widom beat me to it. There were a number of posts in between, and I can easily see how Infinity's responses could have caused a change in a read. Are you suggesting that people's reads shouldn't change?

@Nacho: Can you explain what you were trying to accomplish with your questioning of shadow?

I'm more interested in why he seemed to be soft defending Tammy and focusing on things not related to this game specifically. Granted I brought up Thor and other people's posts, but that was to illustrate why I was looking into something here.

@MOI: V/LA until Sunday the 13th.

Townreading Inf for his early play, don't see the scum motivation in his play. I think he's immediately scumhunting and trying to get the game going.

VOTE: kraska

Is this an RVS vote? You haven't participated yet, say you like Infinity, and then randomly vote kraska. If it's not, please give some explanation.

I thought and still think this was a good post.

Shadow could be more active (then again the same could be said of me) but at this point I'm not going to commit to wagoning him. He hasn't made any specific slip to make me scumread him yet.

What kind of slips do you look for? What slip had Wisdom made that gave you such a good scum read?

[Tammy]

Bulba - Nope, there's nothing to be suspicious of. It's just the last several games we've played together you've been suspicious of me for some reason or another.

Do you always tend to work with nacho or is wanting his feedback something new you're trying for this game?

[Infinity 324]

How's it going tammy

What's your opinion on wraith? bulba? wisdom?

And what should I do about farside since it's really starting to piss me off :/

[Wisdom]

ignore her. She will realize youre town on her own at some point.

[Infinity 324]

Ok

[Tammy]

Wraith -

Why don't you like that Infinity admitting to voting the RVS wagon that was already in place?

What do you think it means when people are concerned about the votes on them?

Do you think that someone can't get a read on someone after a couple of posts?

Can you talk a little more about why you think I'm someone who makes effortless posts as scum too and therefore you need to hold off on reading me?

And what gives you the impression that Nacho is not? (I'd like you to talk about that read a little more in depth.)

[Tammy]

How's it going tammy

What's your opinion on wraith? bulba? wisdom?

And what should I do about farside since it's really starting to piss me off :/

Good!

I skimmed last night before bed, so I'm going back to actually read and respond to things. I'll talk about that later though.

Have thoughts about the farside thing too. You could yell and scream like I do, but I don't advice that and always feel bad when I do it :p

[Tammy]

*advise - I just woke up apparently can't spell.

[Infinity 324]

Cool.

Would love to see this by the way vv

(I'd like you to talk about that read a little more in depth.)

[Tammy]

I think it’s again a bad sign for Wisdom that two players I have townreads on (Nacho from #247 and kraska from #206) and one player I don’t (Infinity from #208) both have nullreads on shadow from his limited ISO while Wisdom somehow has a scumread from it.

this feels a little forced
"I don't get how Wisdom has a different opinion than others = bad sign for Wisdom"
nah

I missed this somehow.

Wraith can you explain why someone can't have a scum read if others haven't?

(By the by this is giving me flashbacks to times that I've correctly identified lurking scum, not because they were lurking, and their partner (s) have discredited my read that it's lurking and lynching a lurker is dumb and I couldn't have the read I had because they haven't put out enough content. Not saying they are definitely partners because it just feels odd that he would be chainsawing so hard (is that the correct term? I hate those mafia buzzwords, but I think I'm using it right here) so early as this would look terrible for him if he flipped. Not impossible just odd.)

[Tammy]

I'd like to hear a bit more about your Tammy, nacho, and kraska reads before I reconsider that^

Not much more to say on that front.

Nacho - Competent, insightful, and even-handed. We're thinking along the same lines but Nacho is much better at expressing it. He's made plenty of observations that have influenced my thinking

Kraska - Nacho-lite. Has had a knack for picking up on what's motivating my posts when Wisdom has attacked them. I disagree with several of her reads but to each their own.

Tammy - Has made some good contributions thus far. But as said, Tammy seems like the type of player that's hard to evaluate for certain without some flips because making good contributions seems effortless to her.

Can you point out which Nacho posts influenced your thinking and how?

And I really am interested in what makes you think that regarding me.