Micro 660: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

[Secret Agent Jin]

I don't think Frank is scum in wisdom. And I'm pretty sure there's scum in wisdom

Are you talking about Howard? If so i agree

[Not_Mafia]

Power

ArcAngel9 (0)-

Dunnstral (0)-

Secret Agent Jin (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

ArcAngel9, Dunnstral, Secret Agent Jin

Wisdom

FrankJaeger (2)-

HowardRoark, Gamma Emerald

HowardRoark (1)-

FrankJaeger

Gamma Emerald (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

Courage

quibxes (1)-

lane0168

GuiltyLion (0)-

lane0168 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

quibxes, GuiltyLion

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-11-29 13:00:00)

- Nov 29th 13:00 GMT

[lane0168]

Is Frank's entire case on Howard that Howard rvs voted, but frank did it first so Howard is the scum? Honestly is that what Frank is trying to push here?

lane, can you set aside Frank for a second and tell me what you think of Howard?

That's hard to do, almost all of his posts are replying to franks foolishness. I'm glad he's trying to move on and looking at other groups. Basically i agree with everything he says and 95% of it is about Frank

you agree with him but does that mean you think he's town? Cause I'm really not seeing any townposting from Howard

No. It helps though

[lane0168]

Why did we even let the slot get replaced instead of just lynching

And by we I mean lane and GL

I guess you're still confused about the setup. Even if guilty did have a vote on dbw, your group still doesn't have a lynch

[lane0168]

I don't think Frank is scum in wisdom. And I'm pretty sure there's scum in wisdom

Are you talking about Howard? If so i agree

Howard does look like a solid partner for q. Im glad I'm not in that group

[Secret Agent Jin]

I don't think Frank is scum in wisdom. And I'm pretty sure there's scum in wisdom

Are you talking about Howard? If so i agree

Howard does look like a solid partner for q. Im glad I'm not in that group

If you were in that group and Howard flipped scum, it would clear you.

[lane0168]

Ditto? Lol I don't know what you're saying. I mean I know what you're saying, but if you have another point, I don't know what it is

[Secret Agent Jin]

Ditto? Lol I don't know what you're saying. I mean I know what you're saying, but if you have another point, I don't know what it is

You said you are glad you arent in that group and i just found it a weird thing to say since if you were then it might clear you if he flips scum.

[lane0168]

Because I don't know who I'd pick between Frank and Howard. And I'd probably end up being wrong lol

[Dunnstral]

Switch the vote to Gamma. If he's scum it's in his best interest to be voting frank over howard right now, knowing howard will be lynched later. One of gamma/howard are scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Switch the vote to Gamma. If he's scum it's in his best interest to be voting frank over howard right now, knowing howard will be lynched later. One of gamma/howard are scum

BAHAHA
Can we just conclude the day so I can see Frank's flip?

[Secret Agent Jin]

Can we get a poke on GuiltyLion?

What do you say we do for our group Dunn? Right now, from my PoV, i can vote you or Arc. You have been both more active and more townlike in your posts but Arc is still semi-active (last post 21 or so hours ago) and she doesnt strike me as scum. I rather keep the active players alive but its up to you. You are looking at me and Arc, we have to lynch someone today.

[Not_Mafia]

GuiltyLion has been prodded, he has 24 hours to respond before I seek a replacement

[GuiltyLion]

prod received, sorry the last crunch of work before Thanksgiving was busier than expected

reading up now

[GuiltyLion]

I read through the ISO's of my group (Lane+GL+DBW), and I'm pretty sure GL is scum (with the obvious caveat that all three of us might be town). He seems to be tiptoeing a bit too much, and his town and scum reads feel more like a salesman selling their wares.

can you highlight the specific posts that gave you the impression that I was tiptoeing

and why you say my reads "feel like a salesman"? That's a new one

[GuiltyLion]

Switch the vote to Gamma. If he's scum it's in his best interest to be voting frank over howard right now, knowing howard will be lynched later. One of gamma/howard are scum

BAHAHA
Can we just conclude the day so I can see Frank's flip?

can you refresh me what exactly your case on Frank is? Because all I remember from you is your "not understanding" his posts and then making up a huge reach about communicating in the game thread

[GuiltyLion]

honestly that's about all I got

i'm struggling to get my teeth into the game since it seems like traditional L-2 and L-1 wagons are impossible and therefore everyone is just either townreading their group or loosely casing one person of the possible two that they could have cased. I need some flips

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: qubixes

[qubixes]

I am at L-2 technically. It doesn't matter so much that someone else has to be voted to get me closer to lynch.

There is no reason that we can't case/argue against a person from another group, even if we can't vote them, so there

shouldn't

be that problem. Your reason for voting me is pretty lame ("I need some flips"). What are you going to learn when I flip town, and you didn't as much as have given me a chance? Looks like dunstrall was right that my fate was basically sealed before my entrance into the game (which is stupid and demotivating regardless of what you think of my alignment).

I'll get to this game tonight when I have some time, read trough the whole game carefully and make a write-up. If you're still defaulting to my lynch without a single reason beyond that my predecessor made a single post and was posting elsewhere, I give up.

[ArcAngel9]

Can we get a poke on GuiltyLion?

What do you say we do for our group Dunn? Right now, from my PoV, i can vote you or Arc. You have been both more active and more townlike in your posts but Arc is still semi-active (last post 21 or so hours ago) and she doesnt strike me as scum. I rather keep the active players alive but its up to you. You are looking at me and Arc, we have to lynch someone today.

I don't really think there is scum in this group especially after that reaction test you guys pulled off. I am going with no-lynch for today. Whats your thoughts? I am active and reading the game too, just don't have too much to add at this moment.

[Gamma Emerald]

[*]From day 2 onwards, in the event deadline is reached before a lynch has occurred, there will be a No Lynch. In the event there is a No Lynch within a group day 1, the mafia will decide who is lynched within that group, for more details, refer to this

[qubixes]

Ok, I caught up...

p1:

13 [Frank] reads like a reaction test, curious to see what he's going to do with it.
16 [Jin] pings me a bit
23 [Frank] It wasn't a test?

p2:

26 [GL] Can't put my finger on it, but it feels awkward the way it is formulated.
27 [GL] Good, someone is paying attention
40 [Dunn] Seeing no scumhunting so far from himself either.
42 [Jin] Could be because he seems to be a newer player, but this post is too buttery for me.

p3:
57 [lane] Mirrors my question marks.
62 [Arc] So it was a reaction test? Kind of weird to make a difference between VT and town claim, but ok.
66 [Jin] More diplomacy...
72 [lane] Seems eager to replace, then when I do replace DBW, no eagerness at all??

p4:
79 [How] Disagree with him on Arc, otherwise feels like a town post.
94 [Frank] This defence is weird/bad. Uses present tense in "I dont think", so he still thinks Howard wouldn't have voted? Tries to cast it as two completely things RVS vs non-RVS, when the "paranoia" that he attacked Howard on is equal in both cases. And ehm... Too lazy to actually analyse his reaction?

p5:
101 [Frank] Reads Howard as scum apparently based on some BS reaction test? Don't like the addition or "pro" either.
106 [Gamma] I do like gamma's pressure here.
110 [Jin] This does sound like town reasoning from a newer player.
122 [GL] This sounds like a filler question to me.
123 [GL] Why weak? I don't undertand that wording.
124 [GL] What is there to like about it?

p6:
127 [Dun] Someone else advocating the absentee.. *yawn*
129 [Jin] This feels like town thinking.
131 [How] Fully agree with this.
145 [Jin] I agree with dun that this switch is super weird.
148 [Jin] Ehm... Ok. Not sure what to make of it...
149 [Dun] Don't like the fact that he's trying to "prove" himself town by unvoting Arc.

p7:
152 [lane] Seeing the same thing as I did.

p8:
184 [Frank] Uhhhhh???? How do you know my slot is town?

p9:
209 [Jin] Don't agree with the reasoning on Howard=scum, but unless it's exactly Frank+Jin, and he wants to hard defend/chainsaw his buddy, I don't see a scum motivation in this.
212 [GL] Can't agree with GL here. It makes a lot of sense to me that Howard!town to scumread someone who reverses on a reply Howard!town clearly sees as BS. Also, scum!GL never reverses his read on anyone, unless he has an obvious reason?

p10:
273 [GL] This is probably the post that feels like a salesman to me.

Feels like people are more and more running in circles at the end, so not much to see there.

[qubixes]

Anyway, for me right now, taking one of each group for each Tier, I have the following list:

{me, Gamma, Arc}
{Lane, Howard, Jin}
{GL, Frank, Dunn}

About Frank vs Howard. Frank's reasoning sounds really bad to me, and I'm going with scum!bad for now, but in case he flips town I might have to reconsider Howard, because he makes it really easy for Howard to be on the "right" side of the argument.

About Jin/Dunn, I see little gamesolving on Dunn's part, more like spectating and commenting. On the other hand Jin's diplomatic stance so far does look somewhat like newer scum trying not to ruffle any feathers.

Right now, I'm most confident about GL/Frank as scum (though I'm not sure about the team itself). In particular I don't like his vote on me, because it seems rather opportunistic trying to consolidate the consensus that my slot should have been lynched already, and just when I point at him as a scumread of mine.

There is one thing that

really

bothers me about lane though. Why did you complain so much about DBW being inactive and then seemingly not care at all when I do replace in?

[Dunnstral]

Howard, why are you voting Frank over Gamma?

I think Gamma is voting Frank because then he can push the lynch onto you the next day. I do not think Frank is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Howard, why are you voting Frank over Gamma?

I think Gamma is voting Frank because then he can push the lynch onto you the next day. I do not think Frank is scum

I'm actually not sure what I would do if Frank flipped town. I'm with qubixes a bit but I kinda feel there's a very slight chance it is TvT and my group is the all-town group