In post 530, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Oh and my vote stays absolutely parked on Jae for reasons below and
518. There is no reason given all his words in
512 about how I am making bad pushes and contrived posts for him not to be voting me given he specifically asks for reasons for Ari to be scum in
515. Clearly he doesn’t see Ari as scum (given 515) but is willing to maybe vote him over someone he clearly reads as scum in me? He’s afraid of being called out for OMGUS given his read on me as scum has developed after I started pushing him.
I really couldn't care less if people think my vote is OMGUS or not. I feel I have very valid reasons to scumread you. That being said, I am concerned
myself
about whether it's OMGUS because that kind of thing tends to mess with reads. Not to mention I was still very much in a bad place emotionally (hence the V/LA) so I figured I'd wait and see the follow up. Yours still reads to me as starting with a read on me and working backwards.
As far as Ari, I don't see him as anything right now, but I do know he has a reputation for lurking as scum. I wanted to know if that was the basis for the votes on him or whether it was more to do with IAI and Ari's first posts (in which case I'm missing something).
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:That's the way he plays I think. I need to check his scum game to see if it's alignment indicative at all but currently him coming across as fence sitting and as more like he's trying to be the peacemaker is what I have seen from him in our previous game where he was town. When I read his posts I get the impression that he's looking for motivation behind people's postings, which is what town do.
I don’t get the sense he’s looking behind posts for motivation myself. I’ve already said myself that his whipsaw “LLD is Town no-one would fake such a difficult Post Restriction” stance is bad as it ignores plenty of possibilities of LLD as scum that are very reasonable. And he clearly has shown no interest in going to read the game I linked to as he has completely dropped the subject. To me this shows someone molding stances not actually scum-hunting. And that’s just the first example.
I do get that sense, and I explained why I do with post examples, which you are ignoring completely to make generalized statements. Plus a blatant misrep. I just went through his ISO and at no point ever did he say LLD was town. In fact he showed express dislike for the potential for her claim to further a scum goal through excusing low content, and called for an investigate on her. And honestly? You linking that game felt a lot like you were focusing on a point of the post that was largely irrelevant to the big picture. Lots of people think her restriction is real. Why? Her rage is real. The game you linked actually serves as supporting evidence as the dude faking his restriction there didn't seem to have strong feelings about it. Regardless, he has repeatedly called for a solid clear/guilty on LLD from the start, and has never said she's town, but more that he thinks her restriction is real. Just like others have said. You're not jumping down everyone's throat for it, you're jumping down the lynchbait's throat for it. That's a scum move.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:What? I DIDN'T SAY THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DIVE YOU. I didn't dive you because YOUR OPENING DIDN'T FEEL STIFF TO ME. I said I wouldn't have dived you if I DID have a problem with it because I can remember the way you posted in Fire and Ice. Like, you're the one who focused on the add-on to it rather than the actual reason and asked for what games I've seen you in as though that was even relevant to the reason I didn't decide to dive you where I decided to skim SpyreX and Socrates.
See my issue is that I can’t see any consistency to the reasons you are giving for why you did meta diving on some players and not others. My opening this game was exceeding a-typical for MoI of any alignment. I’m sure Nacho can attest to that. And it clearly bears little resemblance to anything I did in Fire and Ice. I also still can’t connect at all to your thought process that Socrates entrance was “stiff”. In Large part I get the sense you were looking for posts you could characterize as suspect as opposed to really being interested in play-style departures.
I wasn't looking for playstyle departures in my first read of opening posts. I was looking for easygoing tone and playfulness because it has been a tell I've used in the past to find town. You're again forcing a narrative. I dived the openings I did not find easygoing/playful/couldn't get an emotional or gut read from, because that is what I mean when I say "stiff". If all their posting in every game I skim reads the same to me I'm just going to assume they're naturally a person that will come off that way in their posts. You're pushing a narrative that doesn't exist.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:No. I thought his tone was town because it's very much a "wow you guys suck at reading me" unapologetic tone. I don't think I actually saw any OMGUS from him back then either?
Your stance that he’s Town for ‘tone’ which is completely playstyle dependent is another reason I don’t see you as honestly drawing reads.
And you don’t see OMGUS in these exchanges?
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309
314 –
315
Literally OMGUS at its finest. Doesn’t make him scum but clearly isn’t Town either. NAI.
Honestly, those votes pretty much just read as "pisskop" to me, considering he hadn't read up yet there's clearly no basis behind the vote nor is there meant to be any. Regardless, you're the one who seemed to have an issue with the votes being OMGUS, then you've turned around and declared they're NAI. So my point stands that his tone in his
324 is townie to me. Reading someone based off their tone is not an invalid way to read. I'm pretty sure you should know that, as well. GENERAL tone is playstyle dependent. What I read in his post was exasperation at the bad logic and misreading of him, which is a much harder thing for scum to fake.
In post 512, JaeReed wrote:What about that is scum posting? Because now it's seeming like you're just flinging stuff at the wall to see if it sticks. I'm also pretty sure that in context this was relevant to a discussion we were having, and I feel like you've kinda ripped it out of context? Still don't see how it would be scum posting regardless.
It is scum posting simply because you are trying to downplay that there is any reason for scum to talk pre-game. Scum have tons of reasons to coordinate pre-game. Sharing strengths weakness of Town players that they know. Coordinating how they are going to claim if pressured. Sharing theories about the Town make-up based on their known roles. The list of reasons goes on and on.
Yet you ‘in context’ were downplaying that there were players who confirmed to open the game yet didn’t first come to the main thread to post as meaningless. It isn’t.
In context, the post was this:
In post 364, JaeReed wrote:^ it's kinda moonlogic, camn. Like why would scum admit to that for one? You'd just ignore it wouldn't you? Also like even if you did go to talk in the scum pt first there's nothing to say you confirmed before the game actually began and not just before you made your first post in thread, y'know?
In context I was responding to camn's push on kraska over taking 10 minutes since the game started (presumably because someone PM confirmed) to make her first post, then saying she confirmed via PM. Not only did you cut out the first part of my post in order to then say "this is scumposting" (a nice generalization so that later you can elaborate without the post in question being easily accessible, where people will just assume the false narrative you're pushing is the truth) but you also then lie here about what I was getting at.
What I was trying to say to camn here, in context with both the entirety of my post and the posts before it, is that her logic on kraska confirming via PM and then spending 10 minutes in the scum PT was a bit out there in terms of relevancy. The fact that there was no solid time that kraska supposedly confirmed was one point. She very likely could have confirmed after the game already started, which makes the point null, and it's not a provable point, therefore it's not solid enough for a foundation of any kind of read. It's pure conjecture.
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