Newbie 1762: Frequent Flyers - Game Over

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Hello again Dave

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VOTE: EchoVision

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If you were going for being scummy I'd say you did a good job

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VOTE: havingfitz
Have to go soon, btw.

hi all, I don't think I've played with any of you yet except dunn unless you're on new accounts, looking forward to a fun game

VOTE: dunn

Because you look familiar

VOTE: havingfitz
Have to go soon, btw.

~OMGUS

VOTE: Ecks Dee

I was just about to post that all of this stuff was bad and they ignored it to vote knightmare

Then they voted me up to 3 votes after I voted him (my avatar was quoted twice in thread so they'd have definitely seen it before) and they gave a bad reason for the vote switch

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Finally, I'd like to ask what reason you random voted me for, was it actually just random or was there some reason behind the fact that you chose me instead of anyone else?

The answer to this and similar question from others is that you ignored other people ignoring stuff and went on to random vote a guy that didn't need it

If you had voted any of those other people I wouldn't have cared. (I didn't randomly vote you)

I say that stuff is bad because it ignores stuff and ironstove's reason for voting didn't make sense

Though what's wrose is you switching to me after I voted you

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The problem with ironstove is why would he vote me if I'm the only person he's familiar with? Wouldn't he want to get a grasp on me first

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The RVS is unrelated to actually figuring out your alignment so I don't see why you're concerned about it.

Not really

If they've seen me before, why would they want to rvs me instead of trying to figuring me out seperately while rvsing someone else?

I guess this only makes sense to me

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it shouldn't put you at odds with them or anything?

Which I'm not

I'm pointing out why ignoring things like that and rvs voting is scummy

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Dave, what was the reasoning behind putting me at L-1?

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VOTE: PsychoticDave

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Oh shit
I was drunk as fuck last night and smoked about half a pound of some good. Party lasted two days.
I didn't even realize he was that close to being lynched. I thought we were voting for best avatar.

I feel so stupid right now.

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Dave is scum or terrible town. Would still lynch

I don't want to lynch "terrible town"

yet

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I just played a game with him and I'm leaning scum so far here

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Dave is L-1

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@Dunnstal...in Post 32 you try to give a reason for your "all of this stuff was bad" comment in Post 27 but your reason provided is pretty bad (they ignore stuff?). Can you please elaborate for example why my vote on Ecks Dee was "bad?" And how ironstove's clearly random vote on you is confusing?...I see knightmare is asking the same things from you....

@Dunnstal...your Post 35 explaining wrt ironstove is pretty lame. Like you are trying to find smoke where none really exists. And once again...knightmare is saying what I'm thinking.

@Dunnstal...but you are at odds with ironstove if you think his vote on you was bad...regardless of what RVS reason he gave. Now you seem to be backing off a bit. Still in parallel with knightmare.

Is this just commentary or what

Pretty sure I answered this

for the ironstove thing it's not enough to draw a vote over echo (just like I wouldn't vote you)

Iron looks bad on the last page though, and I don't know why they're voting dave.

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lol

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VOTE: PsychoticDave

My job as the IC is to show you how to scumhunt, not be an expert everyone follows to the absence of their own opinion. While I have played a laxidaisical approach, you and Grey are busy fighting each other over methods, which benefits no one. That's why we get wagons on l minus 1 "because drunk". Now, I don't know why y'all feel compelled to peacock, but it needs to stop as it blocks reading you. You both are acting superior and knightmare is reflexively scumreading that. (he could be right, but it is unlikely).

VOTE: Dave

Catch up/game notes...

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@PsychoDave...not a fan of Post 8. Able to make a post but only to give an excuse why you won't be joining us atm. So why not just lay down an RVS vote and forgo excuses?

Nothing else much other than the most interesting avatar voting at the end of the page. Echo tacking on a an L-2 RVS vote on Dunn raises an eyebrow.

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@Echo...in Post 31 you say you didn't realize your, what I assume was completely random, vote on Dunnstal was putting him at L-2 (ie uncomfortably close to getting lynched).

So why keep your vote on Dunnstal? If your vote is not random can you provide a reason for it still being there?

@Dunnstal...in Post 32 you try to give a reason for your "all of this stuff was bad" comment in Post 27 but your reason provided is pretty bad (they ignore stuff?). Can you please elaborate for example why my vote on Ecks Dee was "bad?" And how ironstove's clearly random vote on you is confusing?...I see knightmare is asking the same things from you....

@Dunnstal...your Post 35 explaining wrt ironstove is pretty lame. Like you are trying to find smoke where none really exists. And once again...knightmare is saying what I'm thinking.

@Dunnstal...but you are at odds with ironstove if you think his vote on you was bad...regardless of what RVS reason he gave. Now you seem to be backing off a bit. Still in parallel with knightmare.

@PsychoDave...voting Dunnstal to L-1 is terrible.

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-Grey- enters the game and immediately votes Echo (no detail yet) and proclaims Titus his defacto MYLO vote if Titus is still in the game.

@PsychoDave...Posts like Post 66 arn't going to fly. Setting yourself up for inactivity and or mistakes due to alcohol and drug use basically means you are useless as town or scum.

@Knightmare...Why Ecks Dee?

@-Grey-...don't think this reason = Echo is "scummy af."

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uuuugh...

@Titus...Why? If you are trying to get a reaction why explain the vote as just for lolz? And now that you have a defense of you post by -Grey- and a condemnation (and vote) by knightmare (who I assume? you think is town)...what do you take from those two responses?

Knightmare...slightly unwarranted omgus reaction here. All who suspect you (and/or defend those that do) are not necessarily scum. I think it's clear Titus was looking for reactions moreso than trying to get a wagon rolling on you by placing the lone vote on it...for lolz.

Caught up through post 109.

tl:dr;

Didn't care for the accidental votes by Echo and Dave that brought people within reach of a lynch.

While I do not like knightmare's reaction to Titus' voting him I still lean town on him.

Leaning town on Ecks Dee

Not sure why ironstove joined this game if they are burnt out. Hopefully they are replaced soon.

I do not think Echo did anything suspect after hearing his explanation of his actions. Town lean.

Not a big fan of how Dunnstal has been explaining his actions...but also not a big fan of Dave (see comments to him above)...whom Dunstal is voting atm. Suspect them both.

I don't see anything wrong with Titus's play so far...town lean.

That's leaves TBDs atm for -Grey - and ironstove.

VOTE: PsychoticDave

VOTE: Psychotic Dave

Dave is L-1

Is he? Let's check.

VOTE: Dave

Yeah that's lynch

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Ironstoves is an se

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It wasn't his first post. I quoted him while voting you. You've basically admitted to not having read what I was typing

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And in the next few posts over the next few minutes I explained my vote

Took it far too literally

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Shouldn't the games name spell it "fliers"

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I can see the points against Dunn but I'm not sold there yet. Would like to see them and fitz interact a bit more.

What are you even talking about? I don't think there have been points on me, just random "rvs" votes

By the way, Titus is totally scum here

VOTE: Titus

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Dunnstral...could you elaborate a bit on why Titus is "totally scum"?

She's playing off this game. I've seen her in other games and haven't gotten such vibes. It looks like she's being "careful" here ?

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Interesting

Which of fitz/knightmare

Or dunn/Echo is the team?

Also stuff like this

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He'll get prodded guys.

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The comparison to other games using vague statements such as "careful".

You're not talking about me, right?

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How am I being careful?

So you disagree?

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If I were going to vote for someone right now, it would be titus.

And your reasoning for not voting right now is: _________

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Also, were you trying to get me to vote or were you just curious of what my reason was on why I will not vote yet?

Both

Though I wouldn't say "curious" is an accurate description

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It wasn't his first post. I quoted him while voting you.

You've basically admitted to not having read what I was typing

Dunnstral I want to know why you felt compelled to write this line here in response to EchoVision.

reads to me like scum snark over something completely NAI. I think EchoVision is town

I was accusing him of not reading the thread. (scummy)

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Hey, the team is Echo and Dunn most likely. I will just wait over here, watching you.

Not sure where you get the confidence to push this pairing. Mind sharing?

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@Titus-- Have you played with iron before?

@Dunn-- I'd like to hear more on why are SRing Titus.


VOTE: Echo

Then read my iso, or at least tell me what youre understanding so far

Why did you vote echo?

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okay, I've read up. I think Ecks Dee/ArcAngel slot, Echo Vision, and havingfitz are town. ironstove/Loopdan is still null but I like Loopdan's entrance so far. I'd like to lynch in Titus/Dunnstral today, probably prefer Titus

reasons for scum!Titus are forthcoming momentarily

Reasoning for putting me in there?

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Dunnstral accused Titus of being careful and said she doesn't play like this in other games. Dunnstral's comment is ambiguous, it does not have to refer to ongoing games. I believe that Titus may think he was referring to ongoing games, but I don't believe that a town!Titus would immediately jump to a "I can't respond to Dunnstral without rule breaking" defense so casually like this. The tone and line of thought read like the mentality of a scum who wants to dispute logically why reads on them are wrong, rather than town who genuinely feels wrongfully accused. If town!Titus really believed a) and b), she'd be a lot more passionate in arguing her case. Instead, this feels robotic.

Wait, was this really Titus talking to me? I wasn't referencing ongoing games

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also, one final point for scum!Titus: I don't think the Grey kill would have come from a scumteam of two newbie players. Grey would look like an easy easy mislynch for that quickhammer, but I think an experienced player might peg him as a PR for doing it. Therefore I think killing Grey suggests we are against a more experienced mafia player.

Good reasoning for the me/titus thing




It's Titus

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Titus why is Echo scum?

The lack of investigation and approval seeking is pretty textbook scum play. Is there any post you feel that's unclear? His voting me post is textbook of that.

No real explanation here. This looks more like texbook scum play to me

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Just gonna cut in line and say it doesn't matter; I'm cop

I checked ironstove/loop n1 they're town

I checked havingfitz n2 they're town

last two guys are scum by elimination; Guiltylion and Echo

VOTE: Guiltylion

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Yes, why would I investigate havingfitz after he quickhammered the doc

I didn't soft my inno, though I did try to get people off of Ironstove for activity earlier.

Investigated Ironstove for being useless early and talking about me in a funny way

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I wasn't in danger of being nightkilled n2.

By the way, where guiltylion says "Echo will counterclaim cop" is some mad level coaching/setup

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Guilty is trying to spin this where it's unreasonable for me to have checked fitz. It's not.

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Like why did you break the mass claim order? Riddle me that

Claim order doesn't matter anymore.

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It doesn't matter because you're scum with EV

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Paging Fitz and Loopdan

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Like if I were scum I could have easily said I checked -grey- night 1 and so only have 1 report

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Where did he say the counterclaim would be cop?

What are you on about?

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You don't think he's going to counterclaim?

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Knightmare, I like your picture. Have a vote!

VOTE: Knightmare

Why thank you. Allow me to reciprocate

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Echo Vision

This is amusing looking back

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If the team were me and dunn, why would we have had that little quarrel on day 1 when he random voted me without a reason?? Also, if I would have voted for you right after dunn, that would have looked suspicious as well. Like I was jumping on the train just to get someone lynched which would make me look like a scum. Why don't you just tell us who the mafia is? Mafia knows their fellow mafia members after all

Not really sure what to post about lol. Having this issue in both games that I'm currently in where nobody will post.

After my bad vibes I got from titus, nobody has really posted other than you and her. At this point, I trust you enough to not have any sus on you, but nobody else has really posted and given a reason to think of them suspiciously. Also, about no comment on the vote, I'm not really sure what to comment about it. I've already said that there's reasoning behind me and dunn not being the mafia pair, so there's not much more to say about that.

Do you still have suspicions towards Dunnstal?

You really have no comment on Titus' vote on you? Do you agree with her vote? Does it strengthen your "vibe" on her?

If you were going to vote someone right now who would it be?

I still have a little bit of suspicion on dunn, but not as much as I did. I've got more suspicion on titus. Do I agree with her vote against me? Obviously not, since I know I'm not mafia lol. I guess the fact that she's set on dunn and me being mafia strengthens my vibe on her a little bit. Also, I don't really understand how I'm "awkwardly posting" as Titus said. If I were going to vote for someone right now, it would be titus.

If I were going to vote for someone right now, it would be titus.

And your reasoning for not voting right now is: _________

It just seems too early in the day to vote currently. There's a lot more that can happen in 9-10 days that can sway my vote. I don't want to be the cause of a hammer on Titus if I don't have to be yet.

Also, were you trying to get me to vote or were you just curious of what my reason was on why I will not vote yet?

If I were going to vote for someone right now, it would be titus.

And your reasoning for not voting right now is: _________

It just seems too early in the day to vote currently. There's a lot more that can happen in 9-10 days that can sway my vote. I don't want to be the cause of a hammer on Titus if I don't have to be yet.

Why not? Why would your vote "cause" a hammer? Why would that be a problem if you scumread me?

Well, currently you're at l-2. If I vote you without a

complete

scum read on you, somebody can just come flying in and do a hammer vote just like yesterday. Since I'm not completely set on the fact that you're a scum, I don't want to kill another person for no reason.

@Loopdan did you give a reason to your vote on me? If you did, I'm just overlooking it in which case, I'm sorry. Also, sorry for sounding like an idiot if this is an obvious question, but what does it mean when you put scum!Titus or town!Titus?

Now, a new person has joined to fill the role of an inactive player, and he seems to find me as town so far. Titus, you have been here the whole game and seem to find me as guilty, with a reason that I'm not even sure makes much sense anymore? To be honest, I'm not even sure what your original reason was... Was it just cause I was targeting you? As an IC, I feel like you'd be a little better at scum hunting than you are currently. I am really getting bad vibes from you at this point, especially with reassurance from GuiltyLion that you are scum. I finally feel confident enough to put in my vote.

VOTE: Titus

Also, I never mentioned anything about post #211 #222. When two new people joined, you attempted to convince them that the team was me and dunn, which again I don't understand how we would be the team considering our clash on day 1 but whatever, I'm past that now. I read your posts as "Hey new people, you probably haven't even read the thread yet but vote for echo cause he finds me suspicious." Obviously that's not what you said, but that's how I took it in. As a town, even if you do strongly believe that somebody is a member of the mafia, you should never go straight out and tell them to vote for somebody. That's something people in town of salem do, and this isn't town of salem.

Echovision's day 2 iso.

I understand that he's a newbie, but here it is. He doesn't soft anything. Which is Guilty's argument on me.

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If you were actually the cop Dunn, then how would two people get two different results on him?

Slip?

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Also he didn't out a night 1 result.

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Ok, so Dunn's confirmed cop or tracker.

I've been claiming cop

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And yeah

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How was anything that I said confirming if Dunn is PR? He might be PR, but a mafia PR such as the roleblocker

Wait, so you

do

know that we're in the roleblocker setup. So what you're saying back here:

VOTE: Dunnstral

Also, I'm not completely sure why still, but after my night one search on ecks dee, the game moderator said it came back with no result. Not innocent, not guilty. Just no result?

Is dumbtelling/an actual slip

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VOTE: Dunnstral

Also, I'm not completely sure why still, but after my night one search on ecks dee, the game moderator said it came back with no result. Not innocent, not guilty. Just no result?

You're acting like you were roleblocked but are too newbie to understand you were

Then you confirm that you know there's a roleblocker in the setup

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66000

I was cop here as well - also a newbie game.

My

newbie game. Other than that I don't think so (and I've been in a good amount of games)

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VOTE: Echo

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We got put into a pretty risky situation there actually. I was hoping cop wouldn't have had a result on loopdan. Thing is, it was justified I believe. I wasn't entirely sure Guiltylion wasn't the cop (they didn't claim after all) and so it would have been possible to have had 2 innocent results (which means if we all claimed VT we'd lose)
I was pretty sure havingfitz wasn't the type to gambit and actually be the cop in that situation, so I preemptively counter claimed cop.

The grey kill was a bit silly, I thought he would have been a pr and he said something like "by my investigations dunn is correct" about the votes so I suspected he was softing cop

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And yea release the pt

My attempts to say Echo slipped weren't false logic. Echo was confused about what stopped his result night 1, but then indicated knowledge of a roleblocker. It should have made sense, Echo was thinking something weird there. Poor Echo

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I had forgotten to submit a nightkill and arcangel was what loopdan submitted. Wasn't really a reason...

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@grey in dead thread

"Hey Dunn, a response to 284 when you can read this: Tracker can also counterclaim cop with Titus flipping doctor.

That you don't even question that suggests that you know the scumteam has a roleblocker."

But if I'm town there's no reason for me to consider a tracker fakeclaim either, or care what scum fakeclaims