The Thing Mafia - Game over!

[PeregrineV]

Again, I'm more than willing to hear people out about why they think SpyreX is scum

I think the way he played around drealmerz yesterday (him or me) comes from town over scum

I'm not completely confident that he is town because of some early issues with him but I don't have a full blown scum read on him like I do Firebringer and Andrius

I saw this by Fire, but haven't confirmed the statements yet.

i went through iso again, his last 50 or so posts have been saying that you might be secret scum (not really commiting to that), defending both UT and Andirus as "transparent" using the same word to defend them both.

Then saying scum are in 1sht and PeregrineV.

Don't know what to tell you.
The guy feels like he isn't trying. Does that mean scum? Well it doesn't mean town.

[Spiffeh]

I am fine with lynching Andrius over FB I just want Maria to stop using FB's AtE to justify town reading him

[MariaR]

I am fine with lynching Andrius over FB I just want Maria to stop using FB's AtE to justify town reading him

ate is my weak point in mafia tbh if you don't think he's town don't let me stop you

[Spiffeh]

It also means Andrius is less likely to be scum since Goatmeal would have known that he couldn’t get a shot off in the Lab Night 1 otherwise and would not have ‘missed’ submitting their room assignment.

This is the only thing that really gives me pause about scum!Andrius atm

[Spiffeh]

But I really don't want to ignore my gut based on WIFOM arguments

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

[Untrod Tripod]

UT we need to lynch your buddies' strong roles though

[Untrod Tripod]

seriously though

vote UT

do it

do it

do it

[Spiffeh]

No

[PeregrineV]

It also means Andrius is less likely to be scum since Goatmeal would have known that he couldn’t get a shot off in the Lab Night 1 otherwise and would not have ‘missed’ submitting their room assignment.

This is the only thing that really gives me pause about scum!Andrius atm

Can you explain this harder?

[Wraith]

@MoI: I'd vote for Andrius if I was comfortable with who was on the wagon. I might vote UT depending on the same but I really don't want him dead before SpyreX. I'm not really comfortable with a Fire lynch at this time.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Can you explain this harder?

I’ll take a crack at this Pere.

Facts –

1. The Neighborhood composition was set before Day 1 and fully known to all members.
2. Scum have Daytalk.
3. Goatmeal showed up in the Lab against plan.

Supposition –

1. Scum members can submit proxy actions and room choices for each other.

That leads to the following situation –

All Neighbors knew both Andrius and I were showing up in the Lab Night 1. So for Andrius to be scum with Goatmeal you have to posit that the scum-team actively allowed Goatmeal to break plan to go to the Lab knowing fully well that two Roleblock roles were there and the odds of him actually getting of a Vig shot off were non-existent without sacrificing another member of his team (Andrius). Scum Goat has no reason to go there just for recon purposes to figure out the Neighbors if scum was already in the Neighborhood.

So if scum are allowed to submit proxy actions for their members then there is little reason for Goatmeal to have shown up at all if Andrius is scum (or any member of the Neighborhood to be completist). He wasn’t getting a bonus kill and going out in a blaze of glory since that would absolutely require a third member of the team to be sacrificed to make that shot. Three scum dead by Day 4 I find to be a crippling handicap given the raw PoE power Town has in this open game.

Make sense?

Personally I have some doubt on the Room Choice proxying given the way the game flows but Mod may or may not confirm that for us.

[PeregrineV]

Can you explain this harder?

I’ll take a crack at this Pere.

Facts –

1. The Neighborhood composition was set before Day 1 and fully known to all members.
2. Scum have Daytalk.
3. Goatmeal showed up in the Lab against plan.

Supposition –

1. Scum members can submit proxy actions and room choices for each other.

That leads to the following situation –

All Neighbors knew both Andrius and I were showing up in the Lab Night 1. So for Andrius to be scum with Goatmeal you have to posit that the scum-team actively allowed Goatmeal to break plan to go to the Lab knowing fully well that two Roleblock roles were there and the odds of him actually getting of a Vig shot off were non-existent without sacrificing another member of his team (Andrius). Scum Goat has no reason to go there just for recon purposes to figure out the Neighbors if scum was already in the Neighborhood.

So if scum are allowed to submit proxy actions for their members then there is little reason for Goatmeal to have shown up at all if Andrius is scum (or any member of the Neighborhood to be completist). He wasn’t getting a bonus kill and going out in a blaze of glory since that would absolutely require a third member of the team to be sacrificed to make that shot. Three scum dead by Day 4 I find to be a crippling handicap given the raw PoE power Town has in this open game.

Make sense?

Personally I have some doubt on the Room Choice proxying given the way the game flows but Mod may or may not confirm that for us.

Then if you remove him from the scumlist (say, for this reason), who does that leave?

[Errantparabola]

like for someone pushing so much effort. to me i would think he would have stronger convictions. he doesn't.

This is pretty false, both on linking effort -> convictions and lack of convictions -> wraith

spiffeh-- i agree with you that fire's attack is nonsensical, but how is that scum contextually?
why does fire deciding that he, as scum, will attack you before the day begins make sense from a contextual perspective?
(psst it doesnt)

andrius said he'd do things
will wait for those things.
or perhaps
it is not the thing that he is doing
but the thing that he is
because he is a thing

if it's fb or andy today I'm lynching andy

me as well

UT im pretty sure no one is suggesting we lynch you today, and yet you keeps asking for a lynch
you wanted a townread reevaluation, where did that land you?

[Errantparabola]

why is it that the most activity happens when im away
and then when im here, its radio silence
do i smell?

[MariaR]

Only a little

[SirCakez]

no, if you are going to lynch me you ass face. You lynch the person I tell you to after since its going to be a mislynch anyways.
You lynch spyrex fucking 100% tomorrow.

Got that asshole?

/slaps
No name calling

[Spiffeh]

I called him a moron earlier so you should slap me too

[SirCakez]

Votecount 5.4

A little test. Windows, you and Palmer tie everybody down real tight.

-MacReady

SpyreX (3) - MariaR, Firebringer, Firebringer
Andrius (2) - Errantparabola, PeregrineV
Firebringer (1) - MagnaOfIllusion
1 Shot Vanilla Town (1) - SpyreX
Untrod Tripod (1) - Untrod Tripod

Not voting (5) - Wraith, 1 Shot Vanilla Town, Andrius, Skybird, Spiffeh

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone.

Firebringer is V/LA through next Wednesday.

(expired on 2016-12-16 06:50:00) remain until day end

[SirCakez]

I called him a moron earlier so you should slap me too

/slaps

I'm being jokey about it but don't escalate those attacks or I'll have to get serious.

[SirCakez]

Prodding Andrius and 1 Shot VT

[Andrius]

Prodded, finishing up with class now.

Thanks for your patience with regards to yesterday.
When people say the second year is worse than the first, they're right.

[SpyreX]

Ok moi i like the thought process so whats the natural conclusion.

That would make you andy spiff town, which is a start. Sure sure the arguement can be made that the defense makes sense for scum you but I'm not seeing it.

Then we step back and look. Scum gutted d1 d2 aannnd apathy in the town.. would scum choke the night actions

Actually, a better question is why havent any of the scum factionals heen used or is there a spot for it that I'm missing

[Skybird]

Ok so things (hehe, made the pun again) are starting to stagnate. At this point I want to get things moving in a positive direction.

Here is my No Lynch list - (Maria, Wraith, Spiffeh, Errant, Skybird)

I also am implicitly included in my own list for obvious reasons.

Spiffeh has the following list (I got a chuckle that I am apparently so transparent to Spiffeh that I made the list twice) –

I can't see any of Maria, MoI, Wraith, Skybird, MoI, or 1SVT being scum

And Maria seems to agree with him (see 5399) so filtering out everyone on both our lists gives us the following pool.

Spyrex / Fire / Untrod / Andrius

These are universally not included in the Town pool for the three players above. I suggest we get a block going get the day moving.

@Wraith, Skybird, Maria, Spiffeh

– Is there anyone in the above list you would absolutely refuse to vote today? If so pipe up. I’d like the 5 of us to come to an agreement about which way to go today and get the game moving.

--

i mean you are pretty egotistical, and a bit of a jackass to be honest.
I honestly think based on number of times i have mislynched you compared you me, you kind of need to mislynch me more so the scales are more balanced. How many times is it now? Like me mislynching u has to be like 2-3 and i don't think you mislynched me ever.

I’m not 100% certain you have the facts correct. I mean the one time that sticks out in my mind was Beeboy’s Fire and Ice where you (and others like Snarky) helped the scum lynch me over the scum who was my counter-wagon when I had identified 2 of the 3 scum in my replace in initial post. But that’s all that comes to mind. I’m not looking now because it is pretty irrelevant to my suspicion of you. Maybe postgame I will see how accurate you are.

The fact that you are stating that I’ve never mislynched you makes me wonder what your goal is here – do you think this will someone make me stop suspecting you?

I would lynch any of the 4 right now.

[Untrod Tripod]

UT im pretty sure no one is suggesting we lynch you today, and yet you keeps asking for a lynch

people have been saying "oh he must be scum" for a while now but no serious efforts have been made to lynch me

I'm thinking this is an intentional way of trying to discredit my reads without actually getting the conftown that would come with my lynch

I want it to happen so that nonsense will end