Open 660 - White Flag (Game Over)

[LicketyQuickety]

Getting caught up.

Why is an RVS bandwagon pointless?

I did say:

seemingly

Plus it sounded more dramatic this way!

First page quote. I should mention I haven't read any more of the game than this. First instinct tells me this is a Town post because it seems well reasoned out as a possible RVS reaction test. Aside from that, I agree with the sentiment that RVS BWs are usually utter shit and I think in this instance it comes from Town. IMO I think Town wouldn't be so quick to go against the norm and then defend their point with a snarky "ah, but..." attitude.

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Getting caught up.

Why is an RVS bandwagon pointless?

I did say:

seemingly

Plus it sounded more dramatic this way!

First page quote. I should mention I haven't read any more of the game than this. First instinct tells me this is a Town post because it seems well reasoned out as a possible RVS reaction test. Aside from that, I agree with the sentiment that RVS BWs are usually utter shit and I think in this instance it comes from Town. IMO I think Scum wouldn't be so quick to go against the norm and then defend their point with a snarky "ah, but..." attitude.

EBWOP. I do that a lot, lol. I've even been called Scum for doing such as well.

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UNVOTE: Transcend

My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.

A little over the top don't you think?

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UNVOTE: Transcend

My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.

Counter-claim! VOTE: Dave

Why did you unvote?

I am going to like you, I can tell.

P-Edit: Sorry for jumping in, its been a while since I played here (well, a couple months at least) so I am kinda excited.

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Transcend is no longer the biggest wagon... ;-;
VOTE: Dave

Obvscum with Transcend. Unvoted biggest wagon. Didn't want to leave your partner in such a bad spot, eh?

~Nyx

Are you scumreading me for unvoting a meme vote?

Obvious deflection. This was an easy game.

I'm having second thoughts.

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UNVOTE: oops that was l-1

I disagree that on priciple its not good to put someone at L-1 so early. The only time in my mind that an early L-1 is bad is if there could actually be an early lynch and to limit that. That said, I think this is at a point in the game where everyone hasn't posted yet so I understand the concern here.

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Also I have no reason to give Aubrey botd here

VOTE: Aubrey

And so far you have no reason to vote me. Least you haven't given one.

Why complain about an RVS vote. (Just trying to spur on discussion here).

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Nah. If they want it cool, but it'd only kill the surprise for when I do (or if I am) facing off against scum you. I'm also not that big of a fan for meta reads being the sole reason for which someone reads/votes another. Though I get the odd feeling your town and scum play probably aren't to far off from one another. Or you being one to change up your meta here and there.

newbie spotted.

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your push on dave is too opportunistic

and dave's play doesn't look scum-motivated, rather, lynch-bait-y.

Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.

If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.

This needs to be discussed.

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Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.

If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.

Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?

Reaction test here or playing dumb? Obviously there are occasions where it is correct play to self vote (at least for Scum).

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VOTE: Transcend

Reason: First one to post

Why did you thought you needed to give a reason?

Alright guys, Instead of dragging this out why don't we all come to an agreement on who should we lynch? Getting 7 votes is hard with a 13 player game.

I think there is a lot of time to do it. Why are you hasty?

Well, it is D1 ... Lets just say that every move I make is based on gut ... I really wont have anything to go on unless someone gets lynched

Stealing Trans' words, eh? Good.


Eric is really a mislynch. Cant talk about 'why' or 'how' as it will be discussing about on-going games but know this he's extremely un-helpful town but seems like he is actually trying to do something here.


Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.

Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?

Psudo info IMO. Sometimes that has a place, but here its either weak play or Scum.

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Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.

If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.

Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?

I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.

This is the second time I have seen an excuse for misinterpreting by this slot.

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Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.

Yes, I have seen this before. I wouldn't say it HAS to to come from "extremely good scum players," however. I think of it more like a playstyle than anything and just like players in general, there are better and worse people who do that playstyle. At least in my experience.

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VOTE: Eric Rasputin
Seems to be posturing.

Can you elaborate on this?

He's making suggestions but not acting on them.

You strike me like you are bored in this game. Any truth to that?

[LicketyQuickety]

@chill town. For now.

I liked your reads on Eric/Dave

Something feels off about cracker here, i just don't know what.

Hi Transcend, do you remember our last game together?

I do hope eventually you have more than gut to go on.

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:/ your version of quickening the game is not progressive though for the town. You're just mindlessly voting someone "

Just because.

" Your basis is just, lets just lynch someone for little to no reason in order to move onto day 2. Tell me good sir, what do you hope to gain or learn by that? Your play is nothing more than lethargic day one play that is either coming from a lazy townie, a townie who doesn't know how to work from nothing, or scum.

Your not really trying to catch scum. Your not really trying to find likely townies. Your just a blah member right now doing a lot of nothing but complaining about day one, or trying to seem like a progressive townie as scum.

So far I'm not a fan of you or SSBM. I actually have a slight town lean for Dave right now. I like the fact he went after Transcend, and for the reasons provided even if I did not aggree with his suspicions against Transcend.

This is actually not a bad post and I say that as the person being attacked. I agree that my slot hasn't been the pinnacle of good play, but I replaced this slot because I read it as Town and it is. I especially like the last paragraph.

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Alban, was just thinking the same (SR) about keyen on the reread. Not sure what you mean by laundering but the posts do look fluffy. I don't think I saw any accusation of his yet either.

He's letting others make pushes and is picking ones that look supported to back.

I don't like 119 either. I was clearly being serious about my Aubrey read at the time.

VOTE: Keyen

Oh yes, truly right. I let others push someone and I'm supporting the case back.

It's because it's my playstyle.

I town read everyone by default

, And if someone has made accusation, I let myself investigate that person. If I agree on the said scummy person, of course, I would suspect them too. Also, I never said I wasn't reading your posts as serious nor I stated it specifically. I said,

mostly

I didn't read them as serious because it was either a joke or a shit post that doesn't need to be taken as serious.

If I'm being so scummy, then lynch me.

This is going to sound like a contradiction on my part, but I really really don't like the bold. The rest of the post is fine, but that part about "oh, its my playstyle" I can't say I dislike enough, especially in this game where everyone seems to be new-ish.

P-Edit: I actually agree with Aubre for the most part of that post regarding my slot. I do, however disagree with the Town read on Dave. I think everything Dave has done has been NAI.

[LicketyQuickety]

No need to comment on the last post of mine, alban.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why?

Because I know.

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NMV.

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NVM.

Agkkk.

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Alban, was just thinking the same (SR) about keyen on the reread. Not sure what you mean by laundering but the posts do look fluffy. I don't think I saw any accusation of his yet either.

He's letting others make pushes and is picking ones that look supported to back.

I don't like 119 either. I was clearly being serious about my Aubrey read at the time.

VOTE: Keyen

Oh yes, truly right. I let others push someone and I'm supporting the case back.

It's because it's my playstyle.

I town read everyone by default

, And if someone has made accusation, I let myself investigate that person. If I agree on the said scummy person, of course, I would suspect them too. Also, I never said I wasn't reading your posts as serious nor I stated it specifically. I said,

mostly

I didn't read them as serious because it was either a joke or a shit post that doesn't need to be taken as serious.

If I'm being so scummy, then lynch me.

This is going to sound like a contradiction on my part, but I really really don't like the bold. The rest of the post is fine, but that part about "oh, its my playstyle" I can't say I dislike enough, especially in this game where everyone seems to be new-ish.

P-Edit: I actually agree with Aubre for the most part of that post regarding my slot. I do, however disagree with the Town read on Dave. I think everything Dave has done has been NAI.

Sorry but I'm not new, I think? And it's really my playstyle.

Do you have less than 6 months experience and less that 20 games played? If the answer to these questions is yes, then you are new.

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VOTE: chilledtea

I haven't seen much from this slot yet, would like to see more. And before anyone gives me crap about voting someone based on inactivity this early in the game:

Eric is prob town, dave probably town too. Both seem like lynchbaity players. Self-voting is done by extremely good scum players as scum tactic though, so if dave is very experienced at this. Otherwise very common among newb town players.

This is the most substantial thing this slot has done yet.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm playing more games off-site than here tbh

Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?

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i'll get to this

lq lookin' town

o um ima ust vote this btw

VOTE: alban

Why am I Town?

Do you think alban is actually Scum or just best guess?

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pred

Pred? What the hell is that?

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Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

Hmm..

You are not new to this game, I think.

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I'm playing more games off-site than here tbh

Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?

We start from Friday till Sunday. All games are played every weekend.

Is this F2F mafia or Forum mafia that is kinda a mix between ToS 48 hour days Mafia? I can't say I have seen any sites that do 3 day mafia games.

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Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

Hmm..

You are not new to this game, I think.

?

you didn't provide any evidence to support your reads. This means either think you know your reads are good and have a meta that is conductive of such or you think the reason for your reads is self evident or you know that at this stage of the game you don't really have to provide reasons for your reads.

The first two options likely make you Town, but the third worries me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm playing more games off-site than here tbh

Ballpark: how many games have you played? Days with 48 hour days or longer?

We start from Friday till Sunday. All games are played every weekend.

Is this F2F mafia or Forum mafia that is kinda a mix between ToS 48 hour days Mafia? I can't say I have seen any sites that do 3 day mafia games.

Well, I play sites that run 3 day mafia games. How does this pointless questions does scream that I'm scum?

I'm not saying it does or doesn't right now. I am just trying to find info on how you play.

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Nah. If they want it cool, but it'd only kill the surprise for when I do (or if I am) facing off against scum you. I'm also not that big of a fan for meta reads being the sole reason for which someone reads/votes another. Though I get the odd feeling your town and scum play probably aren't to far off from one another. Or you being one to change up your meta here and there.

newbie spotted.

....not exactly but okay. I don't exactly see the relevance behind this post.

You didn't correct my contradiction I made. Why not? I did it just for you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Predecessor

Quoting helps... a lot.

Reasons?

[LicketyQuickety]

Still reading

I'll wait.

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Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto. Transcend is obviously a very good scum player so he is there just for no reason.

Hmm..

You are not new to this game, I think.

?

you didn't provide any evidence to support your reads. This means either think you know your reads are good and have a meta that is conductive of such or you think the reason for your reads is self evident or you know that at this stage of the game you don't really have to provide reasons for your reads.

The first two options likely make you Town, but the third worries me.

Well I give reasons where I can. Sometimes the reasons are difficult to give. I think I gave reasons for my suspicion on aubrey for example. But key on the other hand, the read is dependent on his posting style. He is actually a semi town read at this point. Not a strong one.

In fact I kinda have given a reason for almost every read I've. Lethargy, aubrey, transcend, you, dave. Where do you feel the lack of reasons?

Looking back at your posts, it isn't that you didn't give reasons, its more that the reasons given didn't jive with me. Not that they were necessarily incorrect, but they didn't seem like a deep level of analysis. IDK how to say it exactly, just felt like something was lacking/was too easy to make those comments.

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Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.

Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.

Do you still find eric's slot scummy?

I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "

Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!

" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.

Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.

--

Holy shit this game is on fire this morning.

You say you didn't like the contradiction that my slot made, which I agree with, but you don't even mention the contradiction my slot made even after I asked why you didn't say anything about it.

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I didn't like being called a noob when I've played for a bit, until I read your criteria. If that is your criteria, then I fit the bill for you. Eh.

this is the contradiction you made that your talking about that I supposedly didn't like right? If it isn't then I must have missed it in my quick skim.

I should note at this time that I do not have a shit ton of games played on thins site (feel free to check out my Wiki), however, as someone who will likely be playing this game till I die, my view on what I consider a "new" player is prolly different than a lot of people that don't have this perspective. Also, I meant no offence to you as a person or as a player of this game. I just think players are way to quick to say they are no longer a newbie. I also admit my standards for what is considered a newbie to be quite long compared to most others.

Ah, yes, at least you were able to see it, I am at least relieved of that.

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LOL, I'm not really that offended Lickery. It was just one of those "

This asshole

" moments.

I actually do see how you could think that. I came itt and started nitpicking things. Then I said people are new who most people think aren't. Understandable.

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Initially the timing felt as if you were trying to derail the wagon on dave. It could also have been a vote, while not for derailing, for distancing.

Sometimes scum try to stay away from the topic at hand. Even if they don't want to directly influence the said topic.

Do you still find eric's slot scummy?

I've basically skimmed the last 3-4 pages. On a skim, I'm much happier with the slot. As I said, my major issue with him was his contraditive attitude. "

Hey guys lets narrow down some lynch options right out the gate and get a move on, while I go sit in the corner and do nothing but complain!

" When BTD said he asked for a replacement, I basically nulled the spot of its ever so light scum lean since it is so early in the game.

Regarding Dave, I just found his early posts playful shitty early day 1 activities. Eh. The argument that town would never vote themselves is farfetched, and a lie. Yea. Not a very interesting wagon in my eyes right out the gate.

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Holy shit this game is on fire this morning.

Your case against Eric was thin. Which is why I wrote 134.
Either what you are saying is true or you are backtracking coz you realised LQ is more active and persistent than Eric.
Also your backtracking and explanation appears defensive, and hence, suspicious.

And your case against Keyen or I is that much thicker?

My argument: X person looks as if they maybe attempting to be faking a proactive town stance.

Your arguments: X person is pushing a thin argument early game. X person is lurky-ish,

but I'll ignore other players who are also lurky-ish

.

Watch the text, I don't want you replaced.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Transcend

Reason: First one to post

Why did you thought you needed to give a reason?

Alright guys, Instead of dragging this out why don't we all come to an agreement on who should we lynch? Getting 7 votes is hard with a 13 player game.

I think there is a lot of time to do it. Why are you hasty?

Well, it is D1 ... Lets just say that every move I make is based on gut ... I really wont have anything to go on unless someone gets lynched

Stealing Trans' words, eh? Good.


Eric is really a mislynch. Cant talk about 'why' or 'how' as it will be discussing about on-going games but know this he's extremely un-helpful town but seems like he is actually trying to do something here.


Dave 's self-vote seemed a bit of 'Reverse-Psych' mixed in it like town will think a scum wont self-vote. He is either a scum who is trying to do mind games or a town who was just frustrated and annoyed with the wagon on him. And i dont think a town will be that frustrated to self-vote.

Not voting him rn . He might be at L-1?

the one post this slot has made and it isn't even a good post. when I see a player that doesn't post very often, I hold them to a higher standard of quality posts and this one is not doing it for me.

I also feel better about chilledtea.

VOTE: Deer

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Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto.

Right, looks like this is my cue to get off my lazy ass and stop lurking.

I'm getting really good vibes from Gamma and LQ so far, but I haven't really gotten the chance to play with a lot of more expirienced players so I'm probably gonna be unsure of a lot of my reads for a while.
Transcend scares me but that's mostly just because it's Transcend, and my first expirience with him was.. less than adequate.

Aubrey and Dave are null for me so far, I can't place them anywhere.

-Mercy

Tonally, I like this post, but I was under the assumption that this was a hydra account. The issue I have is the comment about not having the chance to play with a lot of experienced players. This is an issue with me because I consider this game to be people who mostly have less than a year of experience (unless a lot of you are alts) so the comment doesn't seem to hold up considering the circumstances (the circumstances that there are players who have been playing here for over a decade). When did you start playing Mercy?

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Key's prob town too, btw.

My scum group atm is lethargy, aubrey, transcend and toto.

Right, looks like this is my cue to get off my lazy ass and stop lurking.

I'm getting really good vibes from Gamma and LQ so far, but I haven't really gotten the chance to play with a lot of more expirienced players so I'm probably gonna be unsure of a lot of my reads for a while.
Transcend scares me but that's mostly just because it's Transcend, and my first expirience with him was.. less than adequate.

Aubrey and Dave are null for me so far, I can't place them anywhere.

-Mercy

Tonally, I like this post, but I was under the assumption that this was a hydra account. The issue I have is the comment about not having the chance to play with a lot of experienced players. This is an issue with me because I consider this game to be people who mostly have less than a year of experience (unless a lot of you are alts) so the comment doesn't seem to hold up considering the circumstances (the circumstances that there are players who have been playing here for over a decade). When did you start playing Mercy?

This is my first non-newbie game. I said more expirienced, which they are, compared to me.

That is what I was wondering, or something similar.

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LQ, why are you so engrossed in people's mafia playing experiences? Explain please.
You should be more interested in their expertise. And there's no correlation between the two. The q you should be asking is if anyone has played a game before with the player you are suspecting, and if there's anything different about them.

Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit. The reason I want to ask about things

such as(!)

experience is because it gives me a glimpse into how they play. A player like keyen is going to play differently than someone who has played very little short forum mafia games. The difficult part is trying to understand how these differences affect play and how you can read a player knowing their experience they have going forward in the game.

I'll give you an example that should be easy to understand.
keyen plays games that are likely very fast paced. This means that reads also need to be made at a faster pace than places like this one where days are spread out over weeks instead of hours. This is why I am a little weary of keyen, because he has really only given us a single substantial read (to my knowledge). It seems at least uncharacteristic for keyen to sit back and formulate reads at a slow pace when he is used to making reads at a much faster pace.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, why are you so engrossed in people's mafia playing experiences? Explain please.
You should be more interested in their expertise. And there's no correlation between the two. The q you should be asking is if anyone has played a game before with the player you are suspecting, and if there's anything different about them.

Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit. The reason I want to ask about things

such as(!)

experience is because it gives me a glimpse into how they play. A player like keyen is going to play differently than someone who has played very little short forum mafia games. The difficult part is trying to understand how these differences affect play and how you can read a player knowing their experience they have going forward in the game.

I'll give you an example that should be easy to understand.
keyen plays games that are likely very fast paced. This means that reads also need to be made at a faster pace than places like this one where days are spread out over weeks instead of hours. This is why I am a little weary of keyen, because he has really only given us a single substantial read (to my knowledge). It seems at least uncharacteristic for keyen to sit back and formulate reads at a slow pace when he is used to making reads at a much faster pace.

So you trust a player's words about their experience vis-a-vis their documented meta? Meta could a shit, but a scum's statement about their experience could be simply false.

Its not usually something people lie about because most people don't even factor in experience as a metric to read people by! My whole philosophy on reading people is based on the

person

behind the action. You cannot always play by the book because some people do not play that way. If everyone played by the book then the game would be about who plays by the book the best. This game is just as much about psychology as it is about optimal play. To ignore the facets that make up the personality of the player is a grave mistake! Playing optimally only works when there is psychological factors that are accounted for. You cannot play the game on mathematics alone! The game the players and the stances people would make could literally never get started without some catalyst for understanding the motive of the player behind the action.

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@LQ

Maybe you're right. Maybe it's because people there are posting more and I can form a read fast. Unlike here, Some people are inactive or just lurking or being silent and that's maybe I can't form a read as fast as I can.

IDK about you, but because of my experience playing fast paced games, I try to make reads even in RVS. I think this game has had enough content and been a fast enough pace for you to make reads after I entered the thread and the activity skyrocketed.

[LicketyQuickety]

Spoiler:

LQ, why are you so engrossed in people's mafia playing experiences? Explain please.
You should be more interested in their expertise. And there's no correlation between the two. The q you should be asking is if anyone has played a game before with the player you are suspecting, and if there's anything different about them.

Honestly, I think meta reads are mostly shit. The reason I want to ask about things

such as(!)

experience is because it gives me a glimpse into how they play. A player like keyen is going to play differently than someone who has played very little short forum mafia games. The difficult part is trying to understand how these differences affect play and how you can read a player knowing their experience they have going forward in the game.

I'll give you an example that should be easy to understand.
keyen plays games that are likely very fast paced. This means that reads also need to be made at a faster pace than places like this one where days are spread out over weeks instead of hours. This is why I am a little weary of keyen, because he has really only given us a single substantial read (to my knowledge). It seems at least uncharacteristic for keyen to sit back and formulate reads at a slow pace when he is used to making reads at a much faster pace.

So you trust a player's words about their experience vis-a-vis their documented meta? Meta could a shit, but a scum's statement about their experience could be simply false.

Its not usually something people lie about because most people don't even factor in experience as a metric to read people by! My whole philosophy on reading people is based on the

person

behind the action. You cannot always play by the book because some people do not play that way. If everyone played by the book then the game would be about who plays by the book the best. This game is just as much about psychology as it is about optimal play. To ignore the facets that make up the personality of the player is a grave mistake! Playing optimally only works when there is psychological factors that are accounted for. You cannot play the game on mathematics alone! The game the players and the stances people would make could literally never get started without some catalyst for understanding the motive of the player behind the action.

Though I agree with you to a certain extent, it's all too vague.
Let's talk about me.
So, before joining MafiaScum, I played about 10 games of mafia, 5 face-to-face (dayphase of 20-30 minutes) and 5 whatsapp games (dayphase of 48-120 hours, pre-decided at the start of the game). I have finished games here in last 9 months (all with a 2 week dayphase).
How have you read me so far, and how do you see my personality? And how does my experience factor in to make reads on my personality?

I think you are trying to play the "correct" way too much. I understand wanting to read the wikis and getting info from them, but IMO (and I prolly say this as a minority) the game is best played by figuring shit out yourself. If you are smart enough, then eventually you will begin to get an intuitive grasp of what is happening itt. I have a lean Town on you because I don't think you know enough about the game to be using things from the wiki as a scum tactic. I think its more common for people that are relatively new to the game to go hog wild on looking shit up on the wiki and then not being able to use it as a scum tactic. Besides, most people don't even directly reference the wiki and I think that the substance you are giving by using the wiki looks Town given it is not used accurately. That's not a jab, I just think that keyen is saying more than you are giving him credit for. Although this looks like a contradiction, it is not. Keyen is still Scum hunting and that is not something that should be discarded, however, he is not really doing anything with his Scum hunting. He's made few stances and none of them look like anything solid. But its early, so for now, I rather look at other people like deer who have done jack all this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.

If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.

Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?

I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.

This is the second time I have seen an excuse for misinterpreting by this slot.

Are you talking about me here? I don't understand.

Yes, I was talking about you. I can't be arsed to go find the other quote that you did this. I will say you do seem a little opportunistic like someone (forgot who) said. The jump on Dave wasn't a good look for you. I wouldn't argue the point if I was you cuz that would not be smart. I haven't seen you really make any kind of impact on this game as well.

I have a lot of people I am looking at right now. I wish I had like 4 votes.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why is shaddow making vote counts?

[LicketyQuickety]

Why is shaddow making vote counts?

On a weekend?

[LicketyQuickety]

Yes, I was talking about you. I can't be arsed to go find the other quote that you did this. I will say you do seem a little opportunistic like someone (forgot who) said. The jump on Dave wasn't a good look for you. I wouldn't argue the point if I was you cuz that would not be smart. I haven't seen you really make any kind of impact on this game as well.

Let me get this straight. You throw a shade on me and I should just let it go without asking you to explain what you meant?

Also, like 5 people voted or wanted to vote him after I RVS voted and asked him a simple question which he refused to answer. If Dave is town, why am I the opportunistic one here? Why are you and Trascend (that's who you forgot, btw) not looking at anyone else in that wagon?

And how can you say I have no impact when that has been the only large wagon in this game. Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.

We have not got a flip yet. Pre-flip, for shame.

In other words, you can base pretty much nothing on BW at this stage of the game. You do not pass go, you do not collect $200.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't know how I feel about Toto. Please explain to me why it is so opportunistic? Like he said wouldn't it be more opportunistic regarding those who jumped on once the wagon began to build? In order...

--

Transcend: post 15 (total RVS)

Toto: Post 42 (Basically RVS it seems with like a hint of real questioning. Once he is pushed he says he wasn't fond of the suicidal play in post 125)

Lethargy: post 56 + 57 (continues adding onto the wagon saying he is deflecting and scum with Transcend. Latter part probably being RVS talk.)

Gamma: post 58 and post 61 (says obvious scum for the self vote. Eh. No, not necessarily.)

Dave: himself post 59 (I mean yea it's weird, but seems like playful town who doesn't care about being serious just yet. Seems a bit early for scum to freak out and think, "

Oh shit gotta do something crazy to get these peeps off me.

")

Ssbm: post 60 who is the final vote on the bandwagon who continued to add onto the wagon because he never addressed toto only to hop off immediately once he realizes the vote count, but was still interested in lynching/pushing the slot based on his comment in post 63.

--

So, why is Toto the most likely to be scum (should their be scum) on this wagon based on opportunism? I'd be interested in hearing Transcend chime in on this since he was the first person to argue this in post 97 + 101, but has now moved onto new votes.

--

phew. That outlines the whole Dave bandwagon pretty much.

OK, so I would like to make another point on how I read people here. This post alone is blatant IIoA, however, given context of who this player is I do not think they are using it as a Scum tactic to look like they are trying to contribute without contributing. This does not mean, however, that they cannot be Scum here. I can see a world where this player would make this post in an attempt to look Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Bit yeah this game blew up while I was sleeping. I'm gonna eat breakfast and then go back and read again, just skimmed through from bed on my phone

Pedit: but aubrey does give analysis so how is that IIoA?

I'm actually more interested in what Aubre thinks here.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, you do realize that post is directed at you. no? Did you not say that you were suspicious of Toto based on his opportunistic vote? Even though you are voting a slot that clearly isn't here right now and has only made one post so far.

So the post was directed at me and yet you ask Transcend what his thoughts are on the matter?

[LicketyQuickety]

I ofc have an explanation. I want to know if you think your post was IIoA or not.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ plz don't be clueless that clearly maens in addition

I did not pick up on that, no.

[LicketyQuickety]

How about this: I will answer before Transcend does, but I want to know if Aubre thinks their post was IIoA or not first.

[LicketyQuickety]

Of course. You are copying his original read, so I'm curious as to what he thinks as well now that time has passed. I thought it was obvious that my original post was directed at you. My apologies for not being so blunt.

My post is a simple outline of the bandwagon that unfolded against Dave, and a question as to why you have picked Toto out of all the votes as being the most opportunistic. followed by interest in hearing Transcends thoughts on the matter since it was his original read on Toto that you are also following. It wouldn't hurt to also know why Transcend found it to be the most opportunistic as well. Take it for what you will. Obviously If i was scum I wouldn't admit "

oh yea i wrote that shit up to look like I was trying to figure out the game and was a bunch of filler shit.

"

A few things. The topic came up, I haven't emphatically said I think it was the most opportunistic vote. I can't speak for Transcends thoughts on it. If you were wise, it would be very smart to admit that you made an IIoA post.

The reason I thought the vote was opportunistic is because there was such little basis for the vote all the while trying to make more of a reason out of it than there was. It also "felt" a lot stronger than an RVS vote. In other words, there was intent behind the vote that was unjustified.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you think his post is opportunistic, but don't think the others are, then it is the most opportunistic vote on the bandwagon. No?

"Most" classifies as a degree, specifically, the most severe. I don't want to associate "most severe" with that vote.

I dont fully understand what difference it makes what I categorize my post as being. I didn't understand this opportunistic argument you were making (nor did I really understand Transcends original statement, but sadly I think he is full of it sometimes so I ignored it) and I mostly did it for myself and others who may want to reference back to the bandwagon. More importantly, I did it so we all would have an illustration of what occurred for when you and Transcend answered why you thought he was the most opportunistic out of the lot. Which btw, you never did.

Further more, you never addressed why you are not voting him (since you have expressed doubt) but instead are voting an empty slot who has only made one post and clearly isnt here. Your vote, based not the reason you gave, would be better suited if he had made a second post later down the line that held little substance in correlation to his lurativity.

Can we make that a new word here? Lurkativity. Has a nice ring to it.

Most importantly, I don't think if i only noticed one time that I saw an opportunistic vote that that classifies as the most opportunistic since there is only one occurrence that I am seeing. How can something be the most when it has only happened once? Semantics.

IDK why you didn't understand the reason I gave I thought I made it pretty plain and said it multiple ways.

Why do you think I should vote for someone who said something half the game ago when the game had basically just started? It does not need to be all or nothing. I can think it Scummy without voting it. I can think something Townie without defending it. I don't think a lot of people will grasp this statement as most of the time playing "Pro-Town" means making bold stances. There is more that I am focussing on than just "Oh, that looks like it could be an opportunistic vote, I should vote them ASAP so that people know exactly where I stand on this issue." The fact is, all game I have taken a stand back approach and at this point I want to encourage activity. I am not just voting for Deer because they are low activity, I am voting for the slot because the one post they made was sub-par and I don't want to have to worry about a slot that isn't active and provides bad posts. I am being extremely pro-active in my vote on Deer. Deer still does not have any more votes on them than me. I am the only one at this point in time who is trying to eliminate lurkers in this game, or so I feel.

[LicketyQuickety]

Maybe I don't see it exactly as opportunistic since I assume there was a bit of RVS BS thrown in there, hence why I'm having trouble understanding why you and he feel that way about Toto. When I do try and ignore the RVS BS it just looks like the others are just as guilty about being "opportunistic as he does."

Deer will get his ass prodded sooner or later, and then we will all expect adequate content from them. Hence again why I consider your vote as useful as my non existent vote. That is what I am trying to get at. It's why I'm like "

Why isnt he voting Toto then?

"

You making a big fuss about what type of post my post is still doesn't make much sense to me. Whatever though...Honestly I'm at the point where I think I can give you a slight town lean for what you're doing even if I don't fully agree with it in some aspects. At least you seem to be trying to force people to be accountable for their actions, considerate, and worried about things that harm the town in general.

I understand your perspective better now, I think I can give you a Town read.

I do have one question though. What do you mean by "RVS BS thrown in there?"

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't know how to word it, and I feel as if it is hard to explain. Basically I found his first vote as RVS even though he questioned and wanted to know why Dave un-voted Transcend. It just didnt feel like a question he asked because he really thought Dave was scummy, but rather because RVS expects you to vote someone for little to no reason in order to see how they react. You get a better reaction from some people when votes pile up a bit, and since transcend was voting him why not? That is what I felt like he was doing. Then the whole suicidal fiasco went down, and shit hit the fan.

Some people start RVS by making some stupid comment about someone's avi or name. Some people might have a buddy that they played with and they vote them for some stupid reason. Some people vote others due to something they did. I don't know. Just seems NAI to me.

I think your assessment is not accurate. I don't want to give you a lecture about Occam's Razor, but pet theories and tin foil arguments don't get you very far in this game. And I say that knowing I said its best to figure out how to play yourself. I do appreciate that you are trying to come up with viable theories, but there is really no indication that the vote on Dave was in any way because of those silly reasons for voting people that you talked about. Basically, I disagree that it was done pointlessly. I think there was a real reason for the vote. I am not exactly satisfied with Toto ATM.

There are a lot of people who have not really been very active today and IDK why. I think its a problem.

[LicketyQuickety]

Catching up...

Now please do explain where I was 'excusing myself for misinterpreting things'.

LQ. You didn't answer this.

UNVOTE: Transcend

My role is five-shot dayvig parity cop with the ability to jail and execute at night and I can detect lies as well as heal up to three players per night.

Counter-claim! VOTE: Dave

Why did you unvote?

Are you scumreading me for unvoting a meme vote?

Not scum-reading you yet. Just trying to sort out your actions. Why did you feel you needed to unvote your meme vote?

From what it looks like, you are saying you are voting someone for un-voting. That seems like you are misunderstanding the whole RVS thing.

Well, I didn't buy his response. He says that his two votes were meme. But I don't see how the second self vote is a meme vote.

If he is lynch bating he is doing a good job.

Why would scum vote for themselves seriously?

I saw it as a (bad) attempt to stall his own wagon by putting on a suicidal show. So they are not seriously trying to lynch themselves but the vote has some agenda behind it.

It was RVS.


There, now I have answered your question. And before you give me shit about this being weak, I might remind you that this was taken from barely-out-of-RVS-status and it was just going along with some of the other things I was posting at the time.

[LicketyQuickety]

I will say I really, really don't like Dave's catch up or lack there of. When people promise something and don't deliver, I consider that a scum tell. Not sure if I want to vote it yet, but its def made me pay more attention to that slot.

[LicketyQuickety]

What do you think null means for you? Perhaps that's what I think too..

In my mind, null means you don't read them as Town or Scum, or there is a lot of Town and Scum vibes to make a read null.

[LicketyQuickety]

@MOD, Can we get some prods going or possibly a replacement for Deer?

[LicketyQuickety]

@gamma I don't think I said anyone was bussing dave. Where did you get the idea I was sure of that?

@Dave, please give me your top 2 reads. In terms of confidence. Scum or town. Doesn't matter.

I misread your post is what happened

Any chance I can get a reads list from you?

[LicketyQuickety]

@gamma I don't think I said anyone was bussing dave. Where did you get the idea I was sure of that?

@Dave, please give me your top 2 reads. In terms of confidence. Scum or town. Doesn't matter.

I misread your post is what happened

Any chance I can get a reads list from you?

Probably not
I'd rather just state a read or two at a time, I feel list reads restrain changing of opinion so I do them very rarely

You have done very little this game along with like 5 other people. Can you actually give me

something

to work with here?

[LicketyQuickety]

And its not that you are necessarily playing bad, its just that you have had like zero impact this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm interested because my I like this game
I just feel a bit disconnected because there's not going to be much in the way of twists

How the hell could you possibly know something like that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Vanilla games are best games.

Sorry to see you go Gamma. Don't know why you signed in the first place, honestly.

[LicketyQuickety]

Aubrey, you are driving people away by telling them that they are't active enough. First Eric, and now Gamma. The hydra could have left too. It will be better for the game if you stop being pushy like this. That's what prods and mod-based replacements are for. No need for the players to take over that responsibility.

I agree with this. Players should never be telling people to leave the game; It should be up to the individual if they want to leave or not.

[LicketyQuickety]

Will it be outside the rules to PM Gamma?

Yes.

[LicketyQuickety]

Will it be outside the rules to PM Gamma?

Yes.

I mean, don't PM him about the game for ANY reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

I never said, Gamma you have to go. I said, if you're not interested in playing then you should consider replacing so that someone who really wants to play this set up can. Maybe not in that exact wordage, but my posts meant the same thing. He clearly joined and has been disinterested. He could have easily said, No I'm going to give it my all and play. I'm not going to take responsibility for his disinterest.

Eric, eh. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I don't think I was out of line. He didn't make sense, and wasn't doing anything to progress the game. He then left, when all he had to do was actually attempt to push the game along in order to get me off of him. I'm not that sorry there.

Let me put it to you this way. You should have zero impact on if a player replaces out of a game or not. It is not proper etiquette to even suggest a player replace out for any reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay I'll come back so alban doesn't have to worry about PMing me
I'll try my best to contribute

Missed this the first time around. This is good, I'm glad.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: Deer

@MOD, When does day end? I couldn't find it on the first page.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alban has a town lean.

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I could prolly vote Keyen.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE
VOTE : Lethargy

This slot is 100% scum. Aubrey has moved up in my eyes. Currently looking at scum possibilities of lethargy, gamma and transcend, maybe ssbm and toto and cracker.

Cracker and deer haven't done much from what I gather.

Don't like gamma at all and he is my next best guess for scum.

Transcend is doing very little in comparison to his meta. His vote on toto is also unexplained.

Sorry going to catch up later today I have been busy.

Yup, I can go that way.

VOTE: Cracker

[LicketyQuickety]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

Really? They at least provided a reads list. More than a lot of people have done.

[LicketyQuickety]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

Really? They at least provided a reads list. More than a lot of people have done.

It feels fake. Extremely brief in nature and seems like it is done with the intent of looking like doing something rather than honest.

What cues you in specifically to tell you it looks "fake?"

[LicketyQuickety]

That post from lethargy where he/she gives his "analysis" of the game when pushed was the most ridiculous one.

Really? They at least provided a reads list. More than a lot of people have done.

It feels fake. Extremely brief in nature and seems like it is done with the intent of looking like doing something rather than honest.

What cues you in specifically to tell you it looks "fake?"

The fact that it is brief and covers a large spectrum of players.

There is a small tonal shift in their posts as well from the beginning of the game.

Remember their post where they say how it is time for them to start doing something (because of my earlier suspicion on them)?

They are lurking and seem disconnected from the game, even with this small reads list. They seem to have not much interest in directly interacting with others and frankly writing two lines on several people's play is easier.

I don't disagree with most of this, but the bold: that is kinda the point to a reads list... it allows people to see where they stand on everyone in the game at one time and give a brief summary as to why.

[LicketyQuickety]

I dare you to find enough votes to lynch me.

Well, alright I guess.

VOTE: alban

[LicketyQuickety]

I guess your townlean on me disappeared, eh LQ?

You seem really uppity for 2 measly votes.

[LicketyQuickety]

Am at L-4 with votes from Keyen, Transcend and LQ.
Dave and Toto will join for sure.
Gamma maybe.
That will put me at L-1.
All the scums in there?

Games over well done, alban just solved the game for us on day 1. I am impressed.

[LicketyQuickety]

I guess your townlean on me disappeared, eh LQ?

You seem really uppity for 2 measly votes.

Is my uppitiness bothering yours?

???

[LicketyQuickety]

Interesting.

Apart from your OMGUS on my reasons and vote for you (which are already stated if you could take the efforts of ISO-ing and finding out), you have nothing to prove my scumminess, have you? Let's see how you build your case against me:
Ohhh he is bullying me...
Ohhh he is pressuring me...
Ohh he is so badd.....
Ohh city, can't you see...
Ohh city, why won't you help me lynching him....

And that's all your reason to lynch me?
Keyen seriously, that's pitiful. Like you spent 6 months here, and that's all you got?

This is really overreacting and its not a good look.

Moar votes on alban.

[LicketyQuickety]

Coz I guess I wanted the town to analyse my wagon, while I would be laughing about it posthumously?
This move really seems to be working.

So you're saying you

want

people to vote you? Nu-uh, I don't think so.

[LicketyQuickety]

Coz I guess I wanted the town to analyse my wagon, while I would be laughing about it posthumously?
This move really seems to be working.

So you're saying you

want

people to vote you? Nu-uh, I don't think so.

???

Are people doing something I should know?

IDK what you mean.

[LicketyQuickety]

BTW alban, you're free to ask Transcend if he thinks I am actually capable of "snowballing" anything.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah this isn't right

UNVOTE:

Why did you unvote him?

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah this isn't right

That doesn't explain anything!

[LicketyQuickety]

BTW alban, you're free to ask Transcend if he thinks I am actually capable of "snowballing" anything.

As if I am gonna believe or do anything you say from here on, you stealthy machiavellian opportunist.

Feel free to look at any of my scum games.. this isn't it.

[LicketyQuickety]

I got what I wanted

UNVOTE: alban

[LicketyQuickety]

I got what I wanted

UNVOTE: alban

What exactly did you want? And what did you get?

I wanted to see how you would react when I pissed you off.

[LicketyQuickety]

I got what I wanted

UNVOTE: alban

What exactly did you want? And what did you get?

I wanted to see how you would react when I pissed you off.

Obviously.
Asking you about the conclusions. Not the results.

Your reaction was really very brazen. Its something I have seem a lot in my day. I have a habit of reading people based off the emotions they give. I can tell when someone is Scum and when someone is Town relatively easily when they are put in a situation where emotions run high. It usually take me tunneling them relentlessly for a while for me to get the right reaction. You are Town.

So I have two strong town reads, both starting with As.

[LicketyQuickety]

I got what I wanted

UNVOTE: alban

What exactly did you want? And what did you get?

I wanted to see how you would react when I pissed you off.

btw, if you were interested in my reaction, and assuming you got and saw what you wanted (coz you unvoted me), why did you press Transcend on his unvote?

I asked him.

[LicketyQuickety]

this is the chain of events:
transcend unvoted.
you questioned him.
Keyen unvoted.
You unvoted.
You justifying your vote and subsequent unvote as a sort of a test.
So, 2 questions for you:
1. Why would you question Transcend if it was a test and I passed?
2. Why didn't you unvote me immediately after reading my post if it was indeed a test? Why wait for 2 people to unvote before unvoting yourself?

I wanted to know the motivation for Transcend to unvote. I don't have a read on him.
I wanted to see what would happen with the wagon if I kept my vote on. I had to keep up the act for at least a little while, don't you think?

[LicketyQuickety]

If Gamma were present at the time, I would be at L-1 now.
So, I don't believe for one second your reason for keeping up the act. If you are a town, your playacting would have cost the town an unnecessary casualty.
But let's suppose you are right.
What conclusions have you drawn about the wagon?

VCA is not my thing at all. I basically just react to things. I just try to get good reads. That's really all I try and do. I am also really really bad at linking people together after flips. I am also really really bad at identifying PRs.

[LicketyQuickety]

You think there is a chance they are both Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

I think if alban is scum then either you or transcend are scum because something about that wagon stinks to high hell, it looked really contrived and it was gone in an instant, despite how scummy alban was acting throughout. Makes me think the accusation was fake in the first place and alban was putting on a show, but they were too obvious about it. It was either you and alban or Transcend and alban and like I said I think it's more likely to be Transcend.

That seems really weak IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

That's just my suspicion on one of you 2 being the second. I mean hell, you even said "I had to keep up the act for at least a little while." I guess maybe that's an indication it wasn't scum theater after all if you admit to it before I even point it out, but it definitely looked like something was disingenuous about how that wagon formed and faded so quickly. So maybe I'm wrong about there being a partner in you and Transcend, but what if Transcend was putting on a show too? Maybe when he said "something's not right" he was referring to your vote (since it was supposedly a reaction test) but he didn't recognize it was a test so he got out of there?

I don't agree with your conclusions on how alban reacted though. That all looked like scum overreacting to being caught.

There is a difference between a Town flipping a gasket and a Scum feeling like they were caught for the wrong reasons. I have insulted enough people with my reasoning that the victim doesn't understand to know the difference.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

Seriously, you need to stop doing that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Doing what?

Voting scum?

All you have been doing all game is doing naked votes. I don't like it.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Lethargy

u guys kno why

VOTE: dave

hi dave

im matt

let's become friends

VOTE: Toto

this flips scum i think

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

i'll get to this

lq lookin' town

o um ima ust vote this btw

VOTE: alban

VOTE: Toto

VOTE: Cracker

Tyz

College dropout here

Pedit: keys town

VOTE: alban

Yeah this isn't right

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

This is all the votes you have made this game. You haven't provided a single case on anyone yet. Why are you so content to just play a back seat roll this game?

[LicketyQuickety]

FoS Transcend.

[LicketyQuickety]

Would vote, but there is nothing to go on.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lmao

Please oblige me. I can't read you if you don't contribute.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you think I am confusing now, LOL, you should have seen when I first started. You don't get lynched day 1 8 times in your first 16 games without people misunderstanding you. I'm not making excuses, this is fact. The info is there, you can fact check me, I have pretty much every game I have played on my wiki. I am a very, very confusing player to try and understand.

@Aubrey, the rule is this: if they legitimately get offended, the are Town. If they are not, they are Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

@chill town. For now.

I liked your reads on Eric/Dave

Something feels off about cracker here, i just don't know what.

Hi Transcend, do you remember our last game together?

I do hope eventually you have more than gut to go on.

Just quoting this, for, ya know, raisins.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you think I am confusing now, LOL, you should have seen when I first started. You don't get lynched day 1 8 times in your first 16 games without people misunderstanding you. I'm not making excuses, this is fact. The info is there, you can fact check me, I have pretty much every game I have played on my wiki. I am a very, very confusing player to try and understand.

@Aubrey, the rule is this: if they legitimately get offended, the are Town. If they are not, they are Scum.

Not quite. When the offense seems genuine, you also have to check why: town upset they are scumread, or scum upset for being caught for the wrong reasons.

There is a difference. I might not be able to articulate it correctly, but its a real thing.

What is your read on Transcend?

[LicketyQuickety]

Transcend feels town, IIRC he did the same thing in Open 658 where he had a bunch of naked votes.

What about in game read? Coming up with a meta read based on 1(?) game is not enough. That's a really bad reason to town read someone, unless you are seeing something I am not seeing, he's been really hard to read.

[LicketyQuickety]

Still feels town
Voted alban early
Not too fond of the switch off but I can see town in it

Do you have a second Scum read?

[LicketyQuickety]

Going to bed.

[LicketyQuickety]

Aubrey, I was thinking about something. You said at one point that you were stereotyping the way that I play and then said you had me wrong. What kind of player did you think I was?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Cracker

I'm ready to lynch this.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ the skit is null the slot is empty your vote is wasted

The slot has done the second less amount of content in this game and IIRC, isn't V/LA. No excuse. If you're not going to play the game you signed up for, you make an excellent lynch candidate.

[LicketyQuickety]

then it will probably get replaced or come back with its promises. If it does come back, and is subpar then I won't have as much issue with your vote. Until then, I implore to actually place your vote onto someone you scumread. This is the third vote by you that has been a waste in my eyes.

I do... Scum read the slot, for the reasons mentioned.

[LicketyQuickety]

You scum read them for NAI reasons then.

If you think that Scum reading someone for not fulfilling their promises to contribute is based on NAI criteria, I disagree.

[LicketyQuickety]

Feel free to ISO me and see if i have been playing more Pro-Town than your ISO of Cracker.

[LicketyQuickety]

why would town vote a slot that has been prodded? The slot will come back, catch up, and know it needs to actually post something useful reading frustrated comments about their absence. Or be replaced. A vote is unnecessary, and a safe place to be for scum in the meantime. I don't care for any of LQ's votes that much. Gamma following is just as ridiculous.

you think its best to leave Cracker be?

[LicketyQuickety]

I've already addressed that LQ.

LQ the skit is null the slot is empty your vote is wasted

The slot has done the second less amount of content in this game and IIRC, isn't V/LA. No excuse. If you're not going to play the game you signed up for, you make an excellent lynch candidate.

then it will probably get replaced or come back with its promises. If it does come back, and is subpar then I won't have as much issue with your vote. Until then, I implore to actually place your vote onto someone you scumread. This is the third vote by you that has been a waste in my eyes.

That is not a pro-active approach to getting people to contribute to the game. That is a "I'm not going to do anything about it because they will get prodded eventually and I am naive enough to think it will sort itself out."

[LicketyQuickety]

You literally cannot sit there and tell me that slot is scum based on your intel LQ. That slot should be null through and through. You can be beyond pissed that they promised content, but have failed to produce it, and still have the slot as a null. That's what I'm doing, because in the end the action in itself if NAI. I do expect good content upon the return though. Lackluster content will earn her bad marks from me, as it should for others. This is not like active lurking, where they are posting just enough to avoid suspicion. That could be applied to other members of our little town. I legit think they are busy, and have been unable to play. I mean it took me all night just to go through 4 pages of crap, and post that lil guy yesterday.

Some people have busy lives, and join games against better judgement. Then they leave w/o a word and are replaced sometimes. Some people don't take the game seriously, and blow it off. Then they get replaced when time runs out. Some people have circumstances that come up, and literally can't play. Some people are not try hards and read and comment daily, and then they get swamped. There are tons of reasons for why they haven't shown up that is not indicative to alignment. This doesn't read as scum blowing the game off in order to avoid suspicion specifically. Totally could be a factor, but it is not the only factor here that can be considered.

As I said, voting that slot is so easy for scum to do. IT IS THE SAFEST PLACE TO ACTUALLY VOTE. Twice now you have voted slots that were so easy to vote that literally would allow you to be able to pick and prod the town to see where they would jump at without putting yourself out there. Its fishy behavior, and Im not a fan of it at all.

The action itself is NOT NAI. Its Scummy for having said they would catch up that night and not delivered. If you don't want to use breaking promises (which can be classified as the same thing as having actions that don't line up with what they say) as a Scummy behavior, that is an incorrect way to play. I have caught people based on Scum not delivering on their promises Open 645 is an example of this where I caught bins for having very similar behavior. bins said they were going to ISO me. They kept saying they would do it later until saying they weren't interested in doing it anymore. They never delivered. Guess who was Scum? And news flash: active lurking is not worse than actually lurking. You are saying you think they are busy with zero basis for that. You can't say its NAI because there is not enough info there and say you think there is enough info there to say they are busy when there is no indication of that.

Inaction is never a problem solver. Ask yourself if you think you have played pro-town this game. Ask yourself

why

you are being an active player. Are you seeing the same kind of play from Cracker?

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't care how easy the slot is to push, no one cares for what I was voting previously, so I hopped on something else

Way to hedge your vote.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Cracker

I'm ready to lynch this.

So u get to make naked votes without reasoning, but i don't?

So glad you noticed.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

This might have been a scum slot after all.

Cute.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ's vote was not naked, she had reasons

I don't know whether to thank you or tell you to suck it for getting my pronoun wrong. Seriously, do I come across as female to you? Bizarre.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ's vote was not naked, she had reasons

I don't know whether to thank you or tell you to suck it for getting my pronoun wrong. Seriously, do I come across as female to you? Bizarre.

I use pronouns based on posting style/username
I kept calling Aubrey a she for a long time

No mention of avatars. I've Scum read people for less.

[LicketyQuickety]

havent u heard

it's the era of catfishing

This pissed me off so much
My reaction to what he said was "you're a dick, don't play with me ever"

Could have told you people would have problems with that player based on the username.

[LicketyQuickety]

MOD

When is Deer going to get prodded?

They are on V/LA, there will be no prod.

[LicketyQuickety]

The performance of Lethargy, Dave, and Toto have been rather dull. These three slots are frustrating me a bit. I feel as if you all could add more to this game than what ya'll are doing. Gamma is confusing as usual. We have two basically empty slots so far. One guy, who is suspicious in my eyes, but claims to have a play style that is basically lynchbait-able due to an odd way of playing the game . Then on the other end we have Transcend who is just a plain wild card who throws out votes with little meat of reason and trolls. Keyen who can only give us gut reads, which aren't all that reliable. Alban who panics whenever I actually ask people to play the game.

Just, ugh.

See, this is why you are Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

The performance of Lethargy, Dave, and Toto have been rather dull. These three slots are frustrating me a bit. I feel as if you all could add more to this game than what ya'll are doing. Gamma is confusing as usual. We have two basically empty slots so far. One guy, who is suspicious in my eyes, but claims to have a play style that is basically lynchbait-able due to an odd way of playing the game . Then on the other end we have Transcend who is just a plain wild card who throws out votes with little meat of reason and trolls. Keyen who can only give us gut reads, which aren't all that reliable. Alban who panics whenever I actually ask people to play the game.

Just, ugh.

See, this is why you are Town.

Seriously. BESIDES deer or Cracker, who would you vote.

Keyen.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lq and toto can die

Also kyouko

Rest prob town

Transcend solves the game on day 1. I'm impressed.

[LicketyQuickety]

Key Aubrey alban strong town

Gamma/LQ not on the same scum team, but one is scum. Strong lean LQ.

Dave is still prob a mislynch but just has questionable play.

Ssbm and toto are scumfucks

Deer and cracker are null

Lethargy prob lynchbait mislynch

Did i miss anyone?

Yourself, LOL.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lq and toto can die

Also kyouko

Rest prob town

Transcend solves the game on day 1. I'm impressed.

My strong ego wants to think you're not even being sarcastic

Hilarious, truely.

[LicketyQuickety]

Key Aubrey alban strong town

Gamma/LQ not on the same scum team, but one is scum. Strong lean LQ.

Dave is still prob a mislynch but just has questionable play.

Ssbm and toto are scumfucks

Deer and cracker are null

Lethargy prob lynchbait mislynch

Did i miss anyone?

Yourself, LOL.

Are you THAT type of person?

Allow me to say it in the form of a song (first youtube song from me this game):

[LicketyQuickety]

I was asking if you listed yourself in readslists
what were you thinking

Depends. Sometimes I will give a rundown of what I have done itt and use it as a way for people to read me. My point was that Transcend has pretty much just maken stances this game. Little room for being able to identify themselves how they have played so far from other peoples eyes.

The remark Transcend made about thinking I was serious when I made a blatantly sarcastic response on how he has solved the game is a little disturbing. Such arrogance isn't seen too often from players who are above average, but not particularly brilliant. Usually Players like that can see there are a lot of people who are better than them, thereby being humbled, thereby would never think to say something like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was asking if you listed yourself in readslists
what were you thinking

Depends. Sometimes I will give a rundown of what I have done itt and use it as a way for people to read me. My point was that Transcend has pretty much just maken stances this game. Little room for being able to identify themselves how they have played so far from other peoples eyes.

The remark Transcend made about thinking I was serious when I made a blatantly sarcastic response on how he has solved the game is a little disturbing. Such arrogance isn't seen too often from players who are above average, but not particularly brilliant. Usually Players like that can see there are a lot of people who are better than them, thereby being humbled, thereby would never think to say something like that.

....What is the point of this? Transcend comes off as a lovable cocky ass golden retriever that you really wanna pet, but your scared he is that friendly looking dog that really really just wants to bite your arm off and bury it beside his dog house as you lay bleeding on the ground. Chances are, he is straight up cocky and thinks a lot of his skill. How is that alignment indicative?

--

I'm so sick of the word "

gut

"

Did I say it was AI?

[LicketyQuickety]

Everyone is just voting randomly in this game and no body is asking questions. When I ask questions I get nil answers back, and nobody seems to care.

Gamma whats your case against Trascend? Why are you not questioning him?
Trascend, whats your case against LQ? Why not questioning him?
LQ why are you still voting an empty slot? How are you going to question an empty slot?

All these behaviors are scummy.

Lethargy/Chilled/Keyen/Dave have provided very little ACTUAL content. Deer and Cracker have pratically not been in the game.

Dave's every second post of his little list of posts is scummy yet no one wants to vote him. Town!dave unvotes to avoid a ML at RVS and then suddenly changes his attitude from careful townie to a reckless one by self voting. Then he says both votes were meme votes. I've been trying to get a read list from him but at this point he is just balantly game avoiding.

Gamma is showing 0 scumhunting in their content. Read their ISO. Look at the way he is replying to my questions. Tell me if you believe the answers. I have 0 feedback from everyone else.

If either of them flips scum Trascend would be my next best guess since there is a good chance he was chainsawing me. All he does is provides empty reads / votes and doesn't do anything to really move the game forward.

My only town reads today have been Aubrey and to a lesser extent Alban. Alban you have a really bad sense of humor but I think you are town.

You want people to ask questions? Here's one: why are you still going on and one about Dave about stuff that happened around RVS? A lot has happened, you are not keeping current with all the other stuff that happened itt besides the most recent stuff, why?

Your point on people not Scum hunting and asking questions is actually quite fair. Remember when I said wish I had like 4 votes? That was the exact reason. There is like 3 people who are actually playing Pro-Town this game. I'll list them: Aubre, Myself and arguably alban. The rest are not doing much in their posts or are not being very active or a combination of both. This is the reason I felt the need to go after the worst offenders... because you are only as good as your weakest link in a game. I mean, my God, what if both Deer and Cracker are both Scum? We would never know for Christ's sake! I leave my vote on Cracker because at this point that slot has to earn my respect, it isn't given. I cannot begin to tell you the level of "Uhhhggg!" I felt when Deer went on V/LA, but I can't vote someone who is V/LA based on low activity. Another slot is coming into Crackers spot, maybe they can do something to change my mind about that slot, but honestly, I am not going to get my hopes up.

Also, as far as yourself goes, checking in once a day and complaining about the game sucking is not a good look for you either. If you don't like the way the gamestate is, change it, don't complain about how people are playing like shit when you are not even here.

[LicketyQuickety]

*Transcend

Prolly the most lackluster post of this entire game.

[LicketyQuickety]

*Transcend

Prolly the most lackluster post of this entire game.

VOTE: Transcend

Reason should be obvious at this point.

[LicketyQuickety]

nice scumclaim

you've been "questioning" my motives for quite a while

then when an actual lynch forms on me (1 vote) you tactically place another vote on it.

im on to ur schemes LQ. u ain't trickin no one.

like it isn't just me. what fucking votes have you started by yourself. cracker??????? lmfao.

get crank'd

u just fuck'd with the wrong guy.

get

absolutely

demolished

and

annihilated

Is this where you tell me you are a Navy seals vet and know 700 ways to kill me with your bare hands?

[LicketyQuickety]

yeah you can't even properly counter this LEGITIMATE argument

GET SOME FUCKIN ROPE DUDE

aubrey this is our time to shine. we're getting this scumfuck lynched. you and me. we missed our opportunity to go the distance in Friends & Enemies.

There's nothing legit about it. "You haven't been the first one on a wagon so you have to be Scum" A+ logic there.

Make you case or GTFO.

[LicketyQuickety]

no you just tactically voted there plus you've made tactical votes the rest of the game and just overall shadethrowing. plus some other things i forgot but you're a scumfuck.

I've been tactically voting, what's your point? I'm not allowed to vote tactically or I am Scum, is that it? It isn't shadethrowing if what I say is accurate. Tell me where I have made up BS reasons for my votes.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Cracker

I'm ready to lynch this.

So u get to make naked votes without reasoning, but i don't?

Well

You looking hot and bothered by me doing it then doing it yourself doesn't appear genuine to me.

oh yeah this as well

Guess what the difference is.. I've actually done stuff in this game. You haven't done anything. And NOW you want to try and make a case on me based on shit that is highly circumspect.

[LicketyQuickety]

ive done shit

Agree. You have done shit all game.

and the shit i've done isn' scummy lol

The shit you have done all game would be the easiest way to play as Scum. In otherwords, it isn't playing Pro-Town. I have been too active this game. Players can just sit back and watch me do all the heavy lifting while Scumfucks don't lift a finger and get away with it because of this exact situation. Scum can just say "I haven't don't anything Scummy" which would be fine except they haven't done anything and that

is

Scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

(unofficial vote count)

What do you guys think of my auto-generated vote-post links?

LicketyQuickety (2)

: Aubrey, Transcend

alban (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

Transcend (3)

: PsychoticDave, Gamma Emerald, LicketyQuickety

Lethargy (1)

: chilledtea

Gamma Emerald (1)

: Toto

keyenpeydee (1)

: alban

Thanks, now I know were Daves vote is.

[LicketyQuickety]

*Transcend

Prolly the most lackluster post of this entire game.

As lackluster as some of your votes in my eyes. Least you're finally off of your Cracker high. Now you're voting Transcend. Didn't you say you played with him before though?

@chill town. For now.

I liked your reads on Eric/Dave

Something feels off about cracker here, i just don't know what.

Hi Transcend, do you remember our last game together?

I do hope eventually you have more than gut to go on.

Care to link it... If you played with a town Transcend, then you shouldn't be

that

shocked by how he is playing. I don't approve of his ambiguous play style, but should you have played with him as town before, then you shouldn't be shocked by it. Those who haven't played with town!Transcend don't exactly shock me with wanting to vote someone who plays the game as he does.

In short, you seem to be voting him for his play style (expected from those who haven't played with town transcend before), but not exactly his plays (what is expected from those who have played with a town Transcend).

I already did link it. Its the only game I linked in this game. I did it when I was talking about how I nailed bins for not fulfilling on their promise to ISO me. I also Scum read bins for providing zero reasons for why I was Scum, sound familiar? From what I remember of Transcend in that game, he actually made an impact in that game. He was way more in your face as well, none of this just sitting back and not providing anything thing that we see him doing in this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

You literally cannot sit there and tell me that slot is scum based on your intel LQ. That slot should be null through and through. You can be beyond pissed that they promised content, but have failed to produce it, and still have the slot as a null. That's what I'm doing, because in the end the action in itself if NAI. I do expect good content upon the return though. Lackluster content will earn her bad marks from me, as it should for others. This is not like active lurking, where they are posting just enough to avoid suspicion. That could be applied to other members of our little town. I legit think they are busy, and have been unable to play. I mean it took me all night just to go through 4 pages of crap, and post that lil guy yesterday.

Some people have busy lives, and join games against better judgement. Then they leave w/o a word and are replaced sometimes. Some people don't take the game seriously, and blow it off. Then they get replaced when time runs out. Some people have circumstances that come up, and literally can't play. Some people are not try hards and read and comment daily, and then they get swamped. There are tons of reasons for why they haven't shown up that is not indicative to alignment. This doesn't read as scum blowing the game off in order to avoid suspicion specifically. Totally could be a factor, but it is not the only factor here that can be considered.

As I said, voting that slot is so easy for scum to do. IT IS THE SAFEST PLACE TO ACTUALLY VOTE. Twice now you have voted slots that were so easy to vote that literally would allow you to be able to pick and prod the town to see where they would jump at without putting yourself out there. Its fishy behavior, and Im not a fan of it at all.

The action itself is NOT NAI. Its Scummy for having said they would catch up that night and not delivered. If you don't want to use breaking promises (which can be classified as the same thing as having actions that don't line up with what they say) as a Scummy behavior, that is an incorrect way to play. I have caught people based on Scum not delivering on their promises Open 645 is an example of this where I caught bins for having very similar behavior. bins said they were going to ISO me. They kept saying they would do it later until saying they weren't interested in doing it anymore. They never delivered. Guess who was Scum? And news flash: active lurking is not worse than actually lurking. You are saying you think they are busy with zero basis for that. You can't say its NAI because there is not enough info there and say you think there is enough info there to say they are busy when there is no indication of that.

Inaction is never a problem solver. Ask yourself if you think you have played pro-town this game. Ask yourself

why

you are being an active player. Are you seeing the same kind of play from Cracker?

[LicketyQuickety]

Skimmed a few pages, then ISO'd Transcend. Hard to read much about him since he was a power-role, and obviously would want to deepen his reads and try to actively not die as much as a vanilla townie from the town. Then he dropped out.

Here is open 658. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953

Someone has been doing home work I see.

[LicketyQuickety]

In a world gone awry, its the unassuming who survive.

[LicketyQuickety]

In a world gone awry, its the unassuming who survive.

Elaborate please.

It should be obvious why I Town read Audrey. They are playing Pro-Town, end of story. Me, Audrey or yourself are prolly getting NKed unless they want to go with someone who either has good reads or a POE is really difficult with them dead.

[LicketyQuickety]

Audrey

You trying to say something boy?

[LicketyQuickety]

Not to sound newbie but what's a POE? I don't really understand it.

Are you an alt?

[LicketyQuickety]

Not to sound newbie but what's a POE? I don't really understand it.

Are you an alt?

No but I have an alt. I have newbie game that I signed up and afaik alts can't play there.

Is English your native language?

[LicketyQuickety]

Aubrey is my town read for several reasons, he has followed my line of thinking regarding some events in the game and I find that to be difficult to be replicated by a scum member.

Alban is a town read.

LQ is still a semi town read but I didn't like his push on alban.

Lethargy, gamma are still my scumspects and nothing has changed since my last reads list.

Sorry that I haven't done much, I was busy with work. But I am here now.

Why didn't you like my push?

[LicketyQuickety]

???! Alban doesn't like my pushes on the inactive, but turns tail and bitches about how inactive they are and need to bloody well play the game. Alban forgets who in the hell ive been pushing the most as if recent. Hint: he has posted the most this game. Reading Transcend based on meta isn't smart. He purposely plays ambiguous for a reason.

Then I guess its best to judge him based off common scum tells, like lack of Scum hunting, don't you think?

[LicketyQuickety]

Did you compare your game to mine? Furthermore the game only has a select number of players playing, so it makes it harder to get good reads. He has also posted a reads list and is making plays with some reason as of lately.

Like you I'm not a fan of his style, but I know he can be an assist if he is town. Hence why I'm hesitant to straight up vote him right now.

No offence, but ew. Just because someone CAN be an asset to Town does not mean that they will be. You can't judge someone's alignment based on their potential, it doesn't work like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Don't worry, I thought you'd be a good asset if you were town at first till I started getting the creeps from your votes.

I'm not even gunna go there. I will readily admit I am no superstar.

[LicketyQuickety]

That was not a jab at your skill.

And yet, you are voting me.

You have overestimated my skill at this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I may have thought you to be a more analytical player than an emotional player, but I'm smart enough to know that is not AI and not a reason to vote someone.

I play the game with a lot of fervor, yes. Hard to say if I am more of an emotional player or analytical player though.

[LicketyQuickety]

anyways idrc can LQ die already

I feel like I have read these exact words before.

[LicketyQuickety]

I may have thought you to be a more analytical player than an emotional player, but I'm smart enough to know that is not AI and not a reason to vote someone.

I play the game with a lot of fervor, yes. Hard to say if I am more of an emotional player or analytical player though.

Okay...let me try this again. yes I stereotyped you and thought you may play similar to another. Mhsmith is an example that I though you might be like. Then you said you weren't, as I noted, and I moved on. I'm not voting you because you didn't fit the stereotype.

Hold on to that type of thinking for as long as you can, because once its gone, its gone.

[LicketyQuickety]

Now that there are 5 days to end, would like to finalise things a bit.
Don't wanna lynch anyone among Aubrey, Transcend, LQ. They are active and taking the game fwd in their own ways.
Don't wanna lynch Chilled or ssbm. They seem capable. I would like to see them on day 2.
Don't wanna lynch Lethargy, Scum Deers, Cracker. I wanna see them on day 2 too.
Am fine with lynching among Keyen, Gamma, Dave or Toto.

Ready for a surprise?

You can lynch Transcend for the same thing as Gamma.

Boom!

[LicketyQuickety]

That vote by Transcend is fishy.

Do tell...

[LicketyQuickety]

That vote by Transcend is fishy.

Do tell...

You stated you were willing to lynch me or Transcend for the same reasons, then he votes me
Voting your counterwagon is a survival tactic, but why is he worried about survival?

By all means, feel free to Scum hunt.

[LicketyQuickety]

Dave, I have a feeling you're just confbiasing me. If you're town, it won't end well for you.

What makes you say that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Bc he's been tunneling me for the dumbest of reasons, for the longest of time.

And you think that makes him Town or Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

....

VOTE: Gamma

I'm sheeping aubrey.

VOTE: Gamma

You never answered if your native language is English.

[LicketyQuickety]

Keyen might be Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

I take it back.

[LicketyQuickety]

???

He's playing dumb. It should be smacking you in the face of how obvious it is.

[LicketyQuickety]

It means he uses spreadsheets, at least. The quote has a link to the post, go ahead and read it if you are interested.

[LicketyQuickety]

OK so, They got a VC wrong at the end, not as impressive.

[LicketyQuickety]

Explain what's supposed to be so obvious.
This chart makes no sense regardless of if he's the host or not.

I have no case.

[LicketyQuickety]

i'm playing survivalistic and to get information my scumreads aren't getting lynched so i'm banking on being wrong

We can still lynch Transcend for comments like this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Scum can easily nk Transcend with no pr to save him

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

and? You voting solely on rep is poor scum hunting. It also gives you an easy way to vote the slot.

Who is this addressed to and what are you saying?

[LicketyQuickety]

Ssbm.

I'll prolly sheep Transcend by deadline on reputation alone tbh but I will do a focused reread tomorrow, hosting a dank melee tournament at my house tonight so I'll be off.

Lame. See this is where I have issues with people who are voting Transcend though.

Not to mention

if I were scum, and Transcend was town, I'd be setting myself up to vote him the moment I thought there might be a chance town would lynch him.

To vote someone purely based on Rep is poor scum hunting logic. However if you're scum, it is a great tactic to use this as a "foot in the door" method of being able to vote a player you are scared of without having to bring forward a shred of reason for why. It is similar to how scum may vote a player based on poor activity rather than looking at the few posts they made and saying why they are scummy. Also, he seems to be waiting to see how the wagon will lean before committing to it.

Doesn't make me a happy camper.

Feel free to read the game I linked... twice.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm good. If you're wanting me to find something imparticular, plz just show me instead of making me trudge though that long winded game with the strals.

1. Has Transcend Scum hunted? (This is a preliminary that MUST be passed) 50%
   1. Has he made concrete stances?
      1. Yes? 25%
         
      2. No? 0%
   • Has he been active
     1. Yes? 25%
        
     2. No? 0%

If Transcend has gotten 100%, congrats, Transcend is now

READABLE

.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think Transcend purposely plays to be unreadable. Maybe a better statement is, "I don't think he cares to play in a easily readable way." Hence, voting him based on play style is not that great of a move in my eyes without some reason of doubt. Didn't do me much good my first game with him. I wouldn't expect those who haven't played with him to understand that. You seemed to have an interesting experience since he did seem to be more aggressive your game. He was however a power-role. I imagine that may have a factor in his vigor.

Voting him on rep is just poor imo. It's that attitude that helps make reputable players begin to play in ambiguous styles, stop playing, or etc. Least I would imagine so. I'd hate to be voted just because of a good rep.

You keep on and on about your game, did you ever glance though mine out of curiosity?

Lastly, I've just brought forward questions to him about his plays. Why are you so pushy for to me scum read him?

Don't make me link another game, you already haven't touched the first one. And this one goes preeeeetttty far back. I'll make it short ans sweet and you will agree with me because you are not going to do the work. Cho (you might have to look that one up) and I got in a bit of a spiff about playing to your win con every game. Guess what that means? That means playing to the best of your ability. Guess what that means? That means you DO NOT play in a way that is hard to read on purpose. El fine, that is it. There is NO reason to play in a way that is "hard to read". That's for lazy fucks who have no respect for the game. Credit to BlankFace for showing me the light.

[LicketyQuickety]

And this is BASIC stuff.

[LicketyQuickety]

I agree. You should play the best to your win con. Being readable or unreadable is key. Enough with you treating me like some noob ass. That being said, some people don't do it. It's a fact. I understand those special individuals aren't going to change, so I need to learn how to begin getting reads on them, instead of just lynching them and hoping I get a scum lynch.

Transcend, answer me.

I don't mean to lecture you here, but how many times do we have to go over the same thing? Pro-Town is Pro-Active. You Cannot read a player who does not wish to be read.

DO

something about it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lq. Did you read key as town for being a non native speaker? How does that work?

Different culture influences play. Since I am not familiar with their culture, I cannot assume they would do the same things, necessarily. Non-native English speakers have a disadvantage understanding the game. Therefore, it is more difficult to judge their motives if they do not understand. You must draw this conclusion: the more someone understands the game the more they know what they are doing. This works in reverse and that is what I am going off of.

[LicketyQuickety]

Aubrey you know what sleeping is right? I said I was willing to sheep Transcend. That means I vote for who he votes for

Why do people play forum mafia on their phones?

[LicketyQuickety]

I agree. You should play the best to your win con. Being readable or unreadable is key. Enough with you treating me like some noob ass. That being said, some people don't do it. It's a fact. I understand those special individuals aren't going to change, so I need to learn how to begin getting reads on them, instead of just lynching them and hoping I get a scum lynch.

Transcend, answer me.

I don't mean to lecture you here, but how many times do we have to go over the same thing? Pro-Town is Pro-Active. You Cannot read a player who does not wish to be read.

DO

something about it.

Either you're scum really pushing to mislynch Transcend or you're town with some rigid views that doesnt exactly mesh with my own. Next up I am DOING something. I'm just not going to vote for the reasons you are voting because...

If I know a person purposely plays in an ambiguous style, irregardless of alignment, then of course I'm not going to solely vote them for that play style. That is just silly. At that point it's just luck if you land a scum kill. Instead I'm going to be looking at what they are doing, who they are voting, who is voting them, and etc.

Don't make me drop it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you so adamant about this stance with me? I seriously doubt either of us will change the others opinion on it.

You should see what they are talking about on another site I play on. Here I'll link it:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... post659646

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: ssbm

You're voting SSBM for this(?):

Like I originally said I'll probably sheep transcend by deadline if my reread doesn't dig anything up. I'm planning on doing my dig after work tonight. Just because others who are null reads to me don't see my top SR getting lynched does not mean I will unvote them. If I had strong townreads on several people who all were saying alban is town and I'm wrong I would consider unvoting until I dug through the game. There has been such a lack of activity in this game by so many slots that it is difficult to establish reads with any real value to them, because not everyone is interacting with one another. Without first doing my deep note-taking I'd say LQ is my only TR.

I think alban is scum. If alban is scum, Transcend is scum with him. Transcend is a likely target for a NK if he's town though, so I don't see any merit in lynching Transcend before alban, since he is only conditionally scum with alban imo. Transcend, as town, has good reads. This is why I would be willing to sheep him by the deadline. I want to take a close look at toto during my reread tonight though, since he seems to be pinging people and Transcend has FoSed him this game.

This seems like a Townie post to me.

VOTE : ssbm_Kyouko

"I have a scum read on alban. If alban is scum, then transcend is scum. If transcend is town however, he will be nkd. BTW I am going to sheep transcend bcoz he tends to have good reads."

If you are town this is the most ridiculous line of thought ever. Sheeping someone who is your possible scum read is just ridiculous.

I don't think you're following what I'm saying. Transcend is only associatively scum if alban turns out to be scum. Until I know that alban is scum I'm not going to vote Transcend unless: 1) he or another player make other associative tells to lead me to believe he is scum with that player, and 2) that player is revealed by flip to be scum. I would of course vote him if I felt like he was openly scumtelling but his town play looks scummy which is why I don't judge him on his words alone, but on how others interact with him.

This playstyle will lose the game. Stop looking for associations and look for individual scumminess.

But Gamma has a point here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Day 1 VC 11

ssbm_Kyouko: keyenpeydee, Transcend, chilledtea, Aubrey
Transcend: PsychoticDave, Gamma Emerald, LicketyQuickety
alban: ssbm_Kyouko
keyenpeydee: alban


Not voting: Cracker, ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Lethargy, Toto,

Still searching for a Cracker replacement.

Deimos27 has confirmed and will replace Lethargy. Deimos27 will be out of V/LA on the 13th of December.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-15 08:30:00)

With 13 players, it's 7 to lynch!

this cannot be happening.

[LicketyQuickety]

@MOD, I think its time you called in some favors to get the Cracker slot filled

[LicketyQuickety]

I've been town with Transcend before and had him leading/calling for my mislynch in that game though. I ended up getting lynched and was convinced he was scum but he turned out to be town. His read on me isn't correct but that doesn't mean others of his would also not be correct

That is the wrong way to use a meta read. You can't based someones meta on a single game, it is not possible to do it like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Weren't you basing your scumread on transcend due to a meta. You compared his gameplay in your game to this one, and seemed to have it as a leading factor....

Who is this addressed to, because it should not be addressed to me. I am Scum reading Transcend because he doesn't fulfill the criteria of Townie behavior.

[LicketyQuickety]

Its a vanilla game. Playing in a townie way is paramount in this type of game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm aware. I've said the same thing already. However, at one point you did compare his play from your game to this game. You've only payed one game with him...have you not set up a stereotypical idea of how he should play and voting him for it. Stereotypical maybe the wrong word, but you get my drift.

Right, and my point wasn't in reading him that way but that meta is fickle. No I haven't set up a stereotypical way he should play. He should play pro-town. Even when he is pressured he still doesn't get his ass in gear. If nothing else, its shitty play.

[LicketyQuickety]

I suppose I can go that way.

VOTE: Toto

[LicketyQuickety]

Can someone sum up the case on Toto?

I'm voting him for hanging on to the Dave thing so long.

[LicketyQuickety]

Alright mates I'm about to dank out and crack down on this case

prepare to be dazzled

Oh rly?

[LicketyQuickety]

DEADDLINE LOOKS CLOSE;;

INTENTION TO HAMMAR

OH MY FUCKING GOD

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You two know each other it seems. Possibly played in the same newbie game.

[LicketyQuickety]

@KainTepes, Are you even caught up?

[LicketyQuickety]

I see the issue is Toto voting Dave for dubious reasons. Can someone expand on this?

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Sometimes you don't need the whole story, just a couple key details.

[LicketyQuickety]

Toto's posts don't feel like scum unfortunately.

Will YOU EXPLAIN YOUR VIEWS..... chilled TEA?

i am reading this thread BACKWARD... it is MORE USEFUL

What?