Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

[pisskop]

If you ever role FV ad are not compulsive its slightly anti-town to use it

[BATORU]

So I was in the middle of a response to drealmerz when the thread got locked and meh, not sure it's even relevant rn but I decided to finish up and post it anyway.

Spoiler:

the vca seemed to be more clearing of BAT than anything though

Um, how? I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're meaning here.

~Ruko

Not sure whether you saw that, drealmerz.

~Ru

thanks

I think I might have and forgotten - it's because you're green in the lists (kidding)

hmmm, actually I've changed my analysis (thanks) because looking at it now it seems pretty damning of you, hahha - like you wanted it to look good for you, and to me that looks fishy

Nos is pushing the Sondam wagon while you are on Nos and you stay on Nos a while while ppls are trying to grow that sondam wagon alllll fuggin Day (scum like long D1s)

you unvote and stay off wagons until you join the GE wagon, the counterwagon to sondam - then hammer sondam after enough goes on and we're down to it

scum probably wouldn't mind sondam staying in the game honestly, so probably only 1 on it, 2 if you are scumhammerer

D2 you help momentum buildon the Nos wagon (me and dunn begin, then you bring it heat) - then you get off and stay off, and it builds, and then are voting WITH nos on the Dunn wagon, far away from the Nos wagon, like you know it's going to flip green

*shrug*

I'd have to go back and look, do you remember when you stopped SRing Nos?

Had myself in the green to help me do my own analysis. Not sure if that's what you were referring to here with making myself look good?

I wanted our vote on pisskop most of early D1, but Tama found his tone townie. I liked him a lot more later when he started actually doing things, and disliked the Gamma push against him and the jump on a scumslip of Dunnstral's (which I guess in retrospect actually

was

a scumslip). In my experience, people who tend to push on things as slips when they aren't necessarily tend to be scum, which was a lot of the basis for my Gamma push, along with knowing that gerry tends to drop off the face of the planet whenever he's town because he prefers scum, and Maria's scum play to date has failed to impress me.

Gamma wagon felt pretty much non-existent when I tried to push it as the counter to Sondam, it was kinda dying out. I was making a last push because having played with both heads of that hydra both on and off-site I wasn't confident in a scumflip there where I was confident in one from Gamma. Yup, I hammered Sondam in the end. With 5 minutes left to us having a no lynch. No lynching D1 is really bad for town, because we're handing the flow of early game information to scum. I'd rather hammer a townread and pray to Xova I'm wrong.

The Nos vote was our mutual compromise as he was my 2nd highest scumread, and Tama's 2nd highest (her strongest was ironstove but I was townreading him for the "lynch me then lynch Frozen" thing). Vote didn't move because Nos didn't really

do

anything. I'm pretty sure I explained a lot of that D2 as well during the 1v1 when trying to sort with Fire why he was townreading Nos & my reasons for scumreading him. Unvoted D1 when Nos gave something I could actually class as content, and I realized I was tunneling so I wanted to do a reread, then family issues came up and I had to V/LA a bit. Tama didn't want to vote without us both being on board, so she waited. When I came back it was read the past 30 pages and choose a lynch.

D2 I got off the Nos wagon because I disliked yours and NC's jump on, and one of my strongest TRs who has played with Nos before wasn't certain of him being scum. I wanted to talk to him and figure shit out. I reviewed the game I asked him to link where he said Nos doesn't have the emotional range as scum and found he was right when Nos made that AtE post. If you're asking where I stopped null/scum reading him and started TRing him, that's where.

~Ruko

[BATORU]

If you ever role FV ad are not compulsive its slightly anti-town to use it

So why wouldn't you be trying to send it to whoever might be the nightkill to get rid of it? Or did you mean that's what the pingers should be aiming to do?

~Ruko

[drealmerz7]

you want a fucking case? :

< 30 posts going into D4 =

scum lurker

[BATORU]

of course, personality-through-meta-reading is a strength of mine

If this is true, then why didn't you dive that Nos game that Fire linked for me when I was trying to do the same?
Why haven't you done a dive on any of BTD's games to know his low activity is merely indicative of BTD still being in control of his own account?

I feel like there's a clear disparity between what you're saying and how you're acting.

~Ruko

[drealmerz7]

I don't read previous games.

If someone thinks something is relevant they can tell me about it. I'm not going to go dig shit up.

I don't have a major awesome hard case on BTD6, because there isn't much content to make one

he's my top SR - agree with it, don't, but don't start viewing me scum because my vote is on a player I think is scum but I don't makea better case for it, that's just lame - read his iso, look at his interactions and associations, and judge for yoself

[drealmerz7]

if you think I'm wrong, tell me why

if you think somenoe else is more likely scum, make a case, I'll listen

[BATORU]

right, Aj wasn't pinged before his reveal that the redirect ability was a lie, so it doesn't matter.

pedit: right, thanks.

I believe AJ did say that Gamma pinged him?
There was also another ping floating around though I think.

~Ruko

[BATORU]

if you think I'm wrong, tell me why

if you think somenoe else is more likely scum, make a case, I'll listen

Why would scum!BTD admit to doccing Dunnstral?
Why would scum!BTD, with daychat with Dunnstral available, then try to ask Dunn who he used the spell on

only to have Dunnstral not respond

?

The italics is the important bit there. If it were a calculated move by the scumteam then you'd have Dunn clear/condemn someone with his response. He didn't.

~Ruko

[drealmerz7]

because BTD6 isn't so slick

?

[drealmerz7]

or worse, he's one of those ppl who thinks he does clever things and they are derps

[BATORU]

If you ever role FV ad are not compulsive its slightly anti-town to use it

So why wouldn't you be trying to send it to whoever might be the nightkill to get rid of it? Or did you mean that's what the pingers should be aiming to do?

~Ruko

OH NVM I JUST REALIZED it's because it messes with any potential investigate results

god I'm dumb.

~Ruko

[BATORU]

@drealmerz the way I see it so far is your case is basically "Fire died suspecting BTD and BTD doesn't post often"

is there more to it than that?

or worse, he's one of those ppl who thinks he does clever things and they are derps

I mean... that's how I viewed it from a town!BTD perspective trying to get confscum to slip up... They would have had a whole night phase to discuss what they were going to do when the next day started, so the move to try to "trick" Dunnstral is really weird if you're looking at it from a scum pov there. It requires a lot of jumping through hoops.

~Ruko

[Aj The Epic]

quick clarification: was Aj ever pinged with alert?

tonally, BTD feels like scum here. but he hasn't said anything i disagree with, and apparently i'm bad at tone.

Yes, the slot was pinged the night before I replaced in. Sadly, the second ping that SHOULD'VE been sent to me last night was not. Imo that's a pretty scummy move, to keep that floating around where I could just secure and stop it.

[Not Chara]

tonally, BTD feels like scum here.

Explain this? You were against pushing BTD early D1, and this is a weird flip from that.

~Ruko

what does BTD's tone from today have to do with an

early day 1 read

? i'm saying he sounds like scum to me. i wouldn't push him for it.

quick clarification: was Aj ever pinged with alert?

tonally, BTD feels like scum here. but he hasn't said anything i disagree with, and apparently i'm bad at tone.

Yes, the slot was pinged the night before I replaced in. Sadly, the second ping that SHOULD'VE been sent to me last night was not. Imo that's a pretty scummy move, to keep that floating around where I could just secure and stop it.

ah, thanks for the clarification. do we know who had the last ping? i want to know why they selected me instead of you, because you definitely claimed non-compulsive.

[Not Chara]

pisskop, drealmerz: is it possible for both of you to claim the number of spells you currently have?

i don't think BTD's play makes sense from a scum perspective either. rolling it all up into a 'BTD made several dumb plays' package doesn't sit right with me.

[Not Chara]

the above question wouldn't count the 'vote' spell, obviously.

[Aj The Epic]

Pisskop knows who holds it, he mentioned having sent one out yesterday.

[BATORU]

tonally, BTD feels like scum here.

Explain this? You were against pushing BTD early D1, and this is a weird flip from that.

~Ruko

what does BTD's tone from today have to do with an

early day 1 read

? i'm saying he sounds like scum to me. i wouldn't push him for it.

I'm not sure you actually want me to answer that.

~Ruko

[Not Chara]

what does that mean?

if you're scumreading me, then you should answer if it would further that.
if you're not scumreading me and it's just something i don't understand, then consider me flummoxed.

[pisskop]

piss has zero spells atm. why?

also i dont know who has the hood rn. ehoever btd gave it to

[pisskop]

i have a suspicion who has it, but thats just a hunch

[pisskop]

byd is town. imo

[Not Chara]

byd is town. imo

do you have a good reason to think so?

and i'll answer why when i've decided what to do this game day.
really, i'd like everyone to claim their number of spells, but i don't want to give scum a roleblock/kill target, so it would just be a bad idea. i asked you two specifically because you're not townreads. i've been trying to think of a better way to use the information i have now, but i'm coming up blank. i'm considering outing it entirely and seeing what everyone thinks is the best course of action.

[BATORU]

what does that mean?

if you're scumreading me, then you should answer if it would further that.
if you're not scumreading me and it's just something i don't understand, then consider me flummoxed.

I don't even know anymore all my reads might be even more fucked than I thought. I thought your early d1 read was more than an early d1 read.

~Ruko