Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

[Lovesick]

@ Lovesick,

TheDominator also voted for me with 0 explanation in the post. (e.g. jumping on the Superhans wagon for no apparent reason).

Im aware but I'm not going to pursue a player which is already being pursued. Which is why I asked Connor about who he thinks is town.

[Lovesick]

@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.

Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).

Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
Pumped up for whatever logic (or whacky logic) you have for us.

Believe it or not, i wasn't talking about myself but denominator in those instances as the only reason that discussion has spiked up was because of the immediate 'accidental' wagon on him.

i have no opinion on the vote as he provided no reasoning behind it?

I'm not liking this, this seems (yes I'm going to say it) forced!

Forced? I'm waiting on him to provide any reasoning behind his vote before concluding on anything, i like letting players speak their mind before I come to a conclusion on their action and possible alignment

[ConnorJC]

Hmm, town reads

LicketyQuickety

(Leaning Town)
While his lack of clarity is annoying, I'm pretty sure that's just part of his playstyle. His effort appears genuine.

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

I'm not as sure about these reads as I was of my previous scum reads.

pedit: I was so unsure here that there's a ton of posts that just popped up. This doesn't take those into account.

[Plotinus]

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Superhans

(L-4): TheDominator37

Rautherdir

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

TheDominator37

(L-3): Nachomamma8, ConnorJC

LicketyQuickety

(L-4): Rautherdir

Not voting

(4): Lovesick, toblerone187, FancyPants, Superhans,

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[LicketyQuickety]

@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.

Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).

Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
Pumped up for whatever logic (or whacky logic) you have for us.

Believe it or not, i wasn't talking about myself but denominator in those instances as the only reason that discussion has spiked up was because of the immediate 'accidental' wagon on him.

i have no opinion on the vote as he provided no reasoning behind it?

I'm not liking this, this seems (yes I'm going to say it) forced!

Forced? I'm waiting on him to provide any reasoning behind his vote before concluding on anything, i like letting players speak their mind before I come to a conclusion on their action and possible alignment

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems you think Town has the ability to multitask their Scum reads as a whole better than you know how to do yourself. So how does that work exactly?

[LicketyQuickety]

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

This is dangerous territory mate.

[ConnorJC]

After rereading the posts that just came in, I know don't think that Lovesick is as town. I'd say maybe leaning town.

@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.

[ConnorJC]

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

This is dangerous territory mate.

Could you explain why?

[ConnorJC]

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

Hmm, now looking at the vote count I see this is effectively a delayed OMGUS vote. That's interesting.

[LicketyQuickety]

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

This is dangerous territory mate.

Could you explain why?

You make it look like you are Totally fine giving yourself a Town read. Its used improperly, it can be misconstrued in horrific ways. It even give me some pause.

[ConnorJC]

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

This is dangerous territory mate.

Could you explain why?

You make it look like you are Totally fine giving yourself a Town read. Its used improperly, it can be misconstrued in horrific ways. It even give me some pause.

Oh, I see. Maybe that is better phrased as "I now agree with LQ that Lovesick attacking me was townish".

Of course, I now don't think that as much (see my recent posts).

[Lovesick]

@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.

Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).

Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
Pumped up for whatever logic (or whacky logic) you have for us.

Believe it or not, i wasn't talking about myself but denominator in those instances as the only reason that discussion has spiked up was because of the immediate 'accidental' wagon on him.

i have no opinion on the vote as he provided no reasoning behind it?

I'm not liking this, this seems (yes I'm going to say it) forced!

Forced? I'm waiting on him to provide any reasoning behind his vote before concluding on anything, i like letting players speak their mind before I come to a conclusion on their action and possible alignment

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems you think Town has the ability to multitask their Scum reads as a whole better than you know how to do yourself. So how does that work exactly?

what do you mean by multitask their scum reads?

[LicketyQuickety]

LoveSick

(Town)
I've flipped here. I now agree with LQ that the whole Lovesick v Me thing was TvT.

This is dangerous territory mate.

Could you explain why?

You make it look like you are Totally fine giving yourself a Town read. Its used improperly, it can be misconstrued in horrific ways. It even give me some pause.

Oh, I see. Maybe that is better phrased as "I now agree with LQ that Lovesick attacking me was townish".

Of course, I now don't think that as much (see my recent posts).

Don't admit to being attacked. Be the attacker, not the attacked. Its a lot harder to defend yourself than attack someone else.

[ConnorJC]

@Lovesick

@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.

[LicketyQuickety]

@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.

Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).

Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
Pumped up for whatever logic (or whacky logic) you have for us.

Believe it or not, i wasn't talking about myself but denominator in those instances as the only reason that discussion has spiked up was because of the immediate 'accidental' wagon on him.

i have no opinion on the vote as he provided no reasoning behind it?

I'm not liking this, this seems (yes I'm going to say it) forced!

Forced? I'm waiting on him to provide any reasoning behind his vote before concluding on anything, i like letting players speak their mind before I come to a conclusion on their action and possible alignment

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems you think Town has the ability to multitask their Scum reads as a whole better than you know how to do yourself. So how does that work exactly?

what do you mean by multitask their scum reads?

I'll give you an example:

VOTE: Lovesick

Lovesick, I'll be super happy to unvote on the condition that you read through all the comments posted so far tell us your opinions on scum/town reads. Cheers

Scum post.

Yeah I think that smiley face does seem pretty scummy now that you mention it.

In all seriousness what I did may appear scummy, and perhaps I rushed too quickly onto the lurker Wagon. my reasoning was that if lots of people vote for someone who's lurking, they'll freak out when they log in, and play more aggressively.

In all seriousness, I was voting Lovesick to put pressure on him

1) You said you would unvote them once they posted, so not only is this a non-committal vote, but it defeats the purpose of the vote in the first place.
2) You are asking something of someone that you haven't done adequately enough yourself ie. reads. You make it sound like the lurker should have definite stances at this point in the game, when you yourself are not doing anything close to that.

3) You make jokes about the smiley being Scummy when I actually didn't list any reasons for why I thought it was a Scummy post. You then go on to interpret why I read the post as Scummy, so you clearly know at least part of the reason for why it is Scummy, which leaves me wondering why you made the post in the first place as Town... Unless you knew it could be interpreted as Scummy when/shortly after you made the post, which is what I am thinking, which is why I think you are Scum.
4) The you give a second reason for your vote. This is over explaining your position. You were Sitting there thinking what you could say to defend yourself and prolly came up with the second bit first then went back and added more of an explanation to you vote which is what we see as the first reason. Either one of these answers wouldn't been too Scummy on their own, but put together, both saying about the same thing (one just more elaborate) and that makes for an over explanation and over explanations (in defence) are Scummy in my book.

Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.

I take issue with this... Nacho is a much much better player than myself. I also detailed that I am NOT the IC this game because I didn't/don't want the responsibility.

VOTE: Rautherdir

You are not paying attention.

Note that these posts were made one directly after the other.

[Superhans]

There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.

1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.

I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.

We'll have to wait for Rautherdir to return before properly making an evaluations.

[LicketyQuickety]

5) they never come up with a case, which is basically a Scum claim in my book.

[ConnorJC]

There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.

1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.

I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.

We'll have to wait for Rautherdir to return before properly making an evaluations.

I need to see Rautherdir's logic before I can draw a conclusion here.

[Superhans]

Million dollar question, is Lovesick a genius mafia, or goofiest townie ever?

Also Connor, by logical i mean with evidence from night phases which we can use to deduce and conclude things with ease other than make assumptions purely made on the first few posts in Day 1. Normally (At least where i played) Day 1 is a warm up, we get cozy and slowly introduce our playstyles to eachother hence my not so contribution to the actual objective. As also as a norm, I never do reads day 1 because it's too early to judge, too early to analyse, deduce, conclude and speak so confidently about my own thoughts when it comes to other players however I do understand why that may not be the case here because of the length of the days which personally i think is ridiculous but also logical in its own ways

^"I never do reads day one" & "We get cozy and make slowly introduce our playstyles".

I don't rate that comment at all.

[Superhans]

5) they never come up with a case, which is basically a Scum claim in my book.

I mean its not that difficult to come up with a case for you Lickety. I may agree with lots of the stuff Rautherdir has to say.

[Superhans]

I'm not going to comment on what my case is purely because I want to hear what Rautherdir has to say first without influence from me.

[Lovesick]

After rereading the posts that just came in, I know don't think that Lovesick is as town. I'd say maybe leaning town.

@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.

I particularly don't think anyone is leaning town or mafia as of right now, however there are certain parts of people's playstyles which make me wary/cautious of them

Superhans - His very switchy behaviour where he hops from one thing to another, almost indecisively and usually dropping down on the people which he pursues after minimal effort ( Almost as if trying to blend town but trying to not get involved too much )

Connor - Continues to request reads from people after providing minimal ones himself, pursuing after players which are already being pursued. In my opinion following after Nacho a bit too much

Rautherdir - Justifying actions of others through Nacho's words and playstyle which I think is never justifiable as it is a preferred playstyle rather than something which should be followed.

These are some observations which I have made which make me cautious of the players.

[Lovesick]

@ConnorJC, I'm struggling to keep up with Lovesicks constant barrage of waffle about how innocent she is.

Lovesick, no one cares about you being a lurker.
No one cares that you think it was a bad strategy to gang up on a random lurker (btw I think the strategy was kinda harmless).

Please can your next post have some original insight on who you suspect could be town/mafia.
What do you think about Rautherdir and the LQ vote?

For a variety of reasons, I would like to VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll have to leave for a bit, give me questions and I'll answer them in an hour or two.

^ You're such a tease Rautherdir
Pumped up for whatever logic (or whacky logic) you have for us.

Believe it or not, i wasn't talking about myself but denominator in those instances as the only reason that discussion has spiked up was because of the immediate 'accidental' wagon on him.

i have no opinion on the vote as he provided no reasoning behind it?

I'm not liking this, this seems (yes I'm going to say it) forced!

Forced? I'm waiting on him to provide any reasoning behind his vote before concluding on anything, i like letting players speak their mind before I come to a conclusion on their action and possible alignment

Correct me if I am mistaken, but it seems you think Town has the ability to multitask their Scum reads as a whole better than you know how to do yourself. So how does that work exactly?

what do you mean by multitask their scum reads?

I'll give you an example:

VOTE: Lovesick

Lovesick, I'll be super happy to unvote on the condition that you read through all the comments posted so far tell us your opinions on scum/town reads. Cheers

Scum post.

Yeah I think that smiley face does seem pretty scummy now that you mention it.

In all seriousness what I did may appear scummy, and perhaps I rushed too quickly onto the lurker Wagon. my reasoning was that if lots of people vote for someone who's lurking, they'll freak out when they log in, and play more aggressively.

In all seriousness, I was voting Lovesick to put pressure on him

1) You said you would unvote them once they posted, so not only is this a non-committal vote, but it defeats the purpose of the vote in the first place.
2) You are asking something of someone that you haven't done adequately enough yourself ie. reads. You make it sound like the lurker should have definite stances at this point in the game, when you yourself are not doing anything close to that.

3) You make jokes about the smiley being Scummy when I actually didn't list any reasons for why I thought it was a Scummy post. You then go on to interpret why I read the post as Scummy, so you clearly know at least part of the reason for why it is Scummy, which leaves me wondering why you made the post in the first place as Town... Unless you knew it could be interpreted as Scummy when/shortly after you made the post, which is what I am thinking, which is why I think you are Scum.
4) The you give a second reason for your vote. This is over explaining your position. You were Sitting there thinking what you could say to defend yourself and prolly came up with the second bit first then went back and added more of an explanation to you vote which is what we see as the first reason. Either one of these answers wouldn't been too Scummy on their own, but put together, both saying about the same thing (one just more elaborate) and that makes for an over explanation and over explanations (in defence) are Scummy in my book.

Probably. He's the IC, it was likely a conversation starter.

I take issue with this... Nacho is a much much better player than myself. I also detailed that I am NOT the IC this game because I didn't/don't want the responsibility.

VOTE: Rautherdir

You are not paying attention.

Note that these posts were made one directly after the other.

Im still not sure what you mean but I think scum reads can be multitasked to an extent, if you cannot put pressure on two players then let another player deal with one of them? (Im sorry if Im miles off about what i understood from your post but im talking to someone on the phone )

[ConnorJC]

After rereading the posts that just came in, I know don't think that Lovesick is as town. I'd say maybe leaning town.

@Lovesick, please provide some of your own reads.

I particularly don't think anyone is leaning town or mafia as of right now, however there are certain parts of people's playstyles which make me wary/cautious of them

Superhans - His very switchy behaviour where he hops from one thing to another, almost indecisively and usually dropping down on the people which he pursues after minimal effort ( Almost as if trying to blend town but trying to not get involved too much )

Connor - Continues to request reads from people after providing minimal ones himself, pursuing after players which are already being pursued. In my opinion following after Nacho a bit too much

Rautherdir - Justifying actions of others through Nacho's words and playstyle which I think is never justifiable as it is a preferred playstyle rather than something which should be followed.

These are some observations which I have made which make me cautious of the players.

So cautious doesn't mean leaning scum?

You're calling Superhans out on being switching and trying to blend in? That's exactly how I'd define

your

play so far.
I've provided reads twice. You'd provided reads 0 times before this post.

[LicketyQuickety]

5) they never come up with a case, which is basically a Scum claim in my book.

I mean its not that difficult to come up with a case for you Lickety. I may agree with lots of the stuff Rautherdir has to say.

That's why it would be a Scum claim And yes, I have caught Scum for not providing reasons for their Scum read on me before.