Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Superhans

(L-4): TheDominator37

Rautherdir

(L-4): LicketyQuickety

TheDominator37

(L-3): Nachomamma8, Rautherdir

Not voting

(5): Lovesick, toblerone187, FancyPants, Superhans, ConnorJC

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(expired on 2016-12-30 14:00:00)

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[LicketyQuickety]

Ok, so looks like my most recent vote didn't pay off at all. For now:

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8

Should have waited on that longer, mate. You didn't even wait a full page.

[Superhans]

My Town read on Toblerone hasn’t changed, although I disagree with lots of his reads in post 432.
I agree with Toblerone’s read on TheDominator, I think everyone agree Dom is scummy so this isn’t original in any way.
I agree with Toblerone that LicketyQuickety is very difficult to play with, but I like LicketyQuickety’s display of logic in post 447.

As my first action, the cop is

going

to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

He says "So you're saying" and follows that up with an assumption on the motive of my play.

He is coming on strong here because there is an incredible amount of intent behind him saying this.

He is basically saying "I just caught you trying to out the Cop!" but he says it in a way that shows how he got to that conclusion in an attempt to influence others to agree with his point.
He then makes a comment "Doesn't seem like a town play to me." This language used here is downplayed showing he is so secure in his statement that he doesn't feel the need to butter it up and that the statement speaks for itself.
Then he votes me thinking there is no more explanation needed.
[...]

^ Like this very articulate explanation, if you (LQ) could keep up explanations that are this simple I would be much more inclined to trust you.

I agree with you that Rautherdir’s reasoning was patchy, but then so was LicketyQuickety’s reasoning for voting Rautherdir.
I’m finding it difficult to read Nacho because of how confident he is, and also being IC he is taking such a leading role that there aren’t really any Scum reads, yet. I find the idea that Nacho may be Scum very very unsettling as being such an experienced player I’d imagine it would be very difficult to realise it.
Need more content from FancyPants.
Getting a slight town read from Lovesick but agree with Toblerone that we need more stuff less fluff from her.

[Superhans]

I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.

I've got a gut feel that your fighting is TvT.

[LicketyQuickety]

My Town read on Toblerone hasn’t changed, although I disagree with lots of his reads in post 432.
I agree with Toblerone’s read on TheDominator, I think everyone agree Dom is scummy so this isn’t original in any way.
I agree with Toblerone that LicketyQuickety is very difficult to play with, but I like LicketyQuickety’s display of logic in post 447.

As my first action, the cop is

going

to investigate Nachomamma8 and you are going to Town read me for saying such.

So you're saying you would want a cop to come out day 2 and tell the mafia who they are?
Doesn't seem like town play to me

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

He says "So you're saying" and follows that up with an assumption on the motive of my play.

He is coming on strong here because there is an incredible amount of intent behind him saying this.

He is basically saying "I just caught you trying to out the Cop!" but he says it in a way that shows how he got to that conclusion in an attempt to influence others to agree with his point.
He then makes a comment "Doesn't seem like a town play to me." This language used here is downplayed showing he is so secure in his statement that he doesn't feel the need to butter it up and that the statement speaks for itself.
Then he votes me thinking there is no more explanation needed.
[...]

^ Like this very articulate explanation, if you (LQ) could keep up explanations that are this simple I would be much more inclined to trust you.

I agree with you that Rautherdir’s reasoning was patchy, but then so was LicketyQuickety’s reasoning for voting Rautherdir.
I’m finding it difficult to read Nacho because of how confident he is, and also being IC he is taking such a leading role that there aren’t really any Scum reads, yet. I find the idea that Nacho may be Scum very very unsettling as being such an experienced player I’d imagine it would be very difficult to realise it.
Need more content from FancyPants.
Getting a slight town read from Lovesick but agree with Toblerone that we need more stuff less fluff from her.

Brah, I get that you like me to explain things so indepthly, but honestly I find it enormously restricting for my play to play that way. I'd be more inclined to tell you to catch up. If I was to explain everything I am seeing like that, that is all I would be doing. It would then be inefficient for me to have the style of play that I have. I wouldn't be able to make plays like my first post of the game. The only reason I explained it to you like that is to show that, yes, I do actually base my assessments on logic and I am not completely insane. hell, even my post where I linked the youtube video of limp bizkit what a reaction test.

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.

I've got a gut feel that your fighting is TvT.

Why identify it as a "fut feeling?"

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.

I've got a gut feel that your fighting is TvT.

Why identify it as a "gut feeling?"

EBWOP

[Superhans]

Cos it could easily bet TvS or SvS

[LicketyQuickety]

Cos it could easily bet TvS or SvS

You opt for defense rather than replying to my retort on why I don't like explaining anything. Why is that?

[ConnorJC]

@Lovesick, excluding yourself, who do you think has the best reads right now and why?

Im unsure of whether by this you mean the reads made on people or the person they are made by, I'm going go with the first assumption though feel free to nudge me in the right direction if I'm wrong.

Well not many people have had published a full list of reads which makes matters quite difficult ( I should eventually get to publishing actual reads on people but I rather withdraw until Denominator and Fancy contribute a bit more to give me a more rounded and fair overview on them ) I think the person which has had the best reads so far is Superhans - despite my wariness of his jumpy playstyle, he has managed to actually get a quite townish/neutral read from Tob and no one other than myself has found his playstyle that scummy. Though once again it's very hard to decide as some reads are outdated and should be updated along with two members being inactive and not full reads made on all players.

I didn't mean who is getting townread the most - I meant who has the best reads.

Assumption being that you weren't in the element to pursue on my behaviour towards Denominator, why do you think that I would associate myself with a player so strongly? Do you think a scum would blantantly and boldly defend their own? - This is not me defending myself but trying to gather what Connor thinks.

I don't think it was that obvious until reviewed after the fact. It certainly wasn't mentioned until several pages after it happened.
I expect that scum, at least at the beginning of the game, are far more likely to defend their own rather than a random player, just because it's the natural thing to do.

Oh.. Do you consider utter voidance and distance inbetween two players during a game a scumplay or disregard as just no aknowledgement from either towards eachother?

That's more dependent on context. Also, I'm not looking for "plays", or what players do intentionally. I think scum players instinctively (aka an unintentional pattern) help their buddies in the period following RVS more than other players.

Getting to the second page now.

[ConnorJC]

I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.

I've got a gut feel that your fighting is TvT.

Ah, so you mean

after

I called her out on it?

[Superhans]

Dude I understand that your play involves loosely explaining yourself, sure. My real problem was that a lot of the time I don't understand you or that following your logic is very difficult.

As you and Lovesick have identified I can't change how you play, so I'll have to put up with it to an extent. I didn't think a reply to your retort was that necessary.

[ConnorJC]

I feel that ConnorJC fighting Lovesick on the theory that Lovesick and TheDominator could both be mafia is kinda far-fetched. Not saying that they couldn't but I think ConnorJC is over-reading Lovesick defending Dom.
ConnorJC in post 413 Lovesick denounces TheDominator.

I've got a gut feel that your fighting is TvT.

Are you speaking to me or LoveSick here?

[Superhans]

@connorJC both of you.

[ConnorJC]

@connorJC both of you.

Ok, then how about this. Why speak to us specifically instead of the game as a whole?

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

I voted TheDominator37 because the game had started and there was no solid evidence to base a lynching.

I actually voted TheDominator37 just because he had happened to have voted for himself that I joked was a slightly scummy thing to do.

I'm unvoting because I'm fairly sure I'll be voting more constructively, (I have my eyes on ConnorJC and LQ). I also will be happy to focus on any lurkers (although will probably wait a bit longer before considering the Lurker Wagon).

Good, you're paying attention!

LicketyQuickety, you've voted for Rautherdir. Would you want to convince others to do the same and why?

Superhans, anyone you think is mafia/town right now?

Superhans, anyone you think is mafia/town right now?

Finding Lovesick insufferable, but that doesn't mean she is mafia, just a terrible townie.

TheDominator is mafia (not an original insight).

LQ is definitely snakelike, but not sure that makes him mafia. Slightly scum leaning I would say for now.

There are four different situations with the upcoming Rautherdir vs LicketyQuickety fight.

1) R is scum, trying to appear town-ish by using potentially broken logic to trick the town into lynching LQ.
2) R is town and LQ is scum and the logic he is working with is valid.
3) R is town and LQ is town (most likely), the argument will hopefully yield good content though.
4) Both R and LQ are mafia trying a really cliche technique of pretending to fight each other to gain town trust.

I personally think number 3 is most likely, and number 4 least likely, but wouldn't be surpised if 1/2 is the case.

We'll have to wait for Rautherdir to return before properly making an evaluations.

5) they never come up with a case, which is basically a Scum claim in my book.

I mean its not that difficult to come up with a case for you Lickety. I may agree with lots of the stuff Rautherdir has to say.

I think he's saying that they all moved to me v LQ

Pedit: 5 required me to not post reasons. I posted reasons. 5 is no longer valid.

LQ, I've (I admit somewhat badly) given reasons for my vote on you, what are your current reasons for your vote on me?

It's just the number of the post you want inside the post tags. I think. It worked for me.

Or do drag up the wagon, but insist that Lovesick doesn't just spam her (imho terrible) Game theory on how we should only focus on one player at a time.

Or we could switch to me v LQ. I'm not backing down until I hear LQ's current reasons to vote me.

Superhans, What is your read on Rautherdir. Rautherdir, what is your read on Superhans?

I have a gut feeling that these two could be Scum together. Their interaction with each other is far too polite for my liking and generally doesn't lead anywhere.

[ConnorJC]

Superhans, What is your read on Rautherdir. Rautherdir, what is your read on Superhans?

I have a gut feeling that these two could be Scum together. Their interaction with each other is far too polite for my liking and generally doesn't lead anywhere.

Why would you tell them that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Superhans, What is your read on Rautherdir. Rautherdir, what is your read on Superhans?

I have a gut feeling that these two could be Scum together. Their interaction with each other is far too polite for my liking and generally doesn't lead anywhere.

Why would you tell them that?

I thought about that. I am not telling them, I am telling everyone.

[ConnorJC]

Superhans, What is your read on Rautherdir. Rautherdir, what is your read on Superhans?

I have a gut feeling that these two could be Scum together. Their interaction with each other is far too polite for my liking and generally doesn't lead anywhere.

Why would you tell them that?

I thought about that. I am not telling them, I am telling everyone.

In my opinion it would've been better to wait for superhans to reply and then tell everyone that.

[Rautherdir]

Superhans seems noob town to me. My explanation for us being polite with each other is that we're both new players and realize that about each other.

[LicketyQuickety]

Superhans, What is your read on Rautherdir. Rautherdir, what is your read on Superhans?

I have a gut feeling that these two could be Scum together. Their interaction with each other is far too polite for my liking and generally doesn't lead anywhere.

Why would you tell them that?

I thought about that. I am not telling them, I am telling everyone.

In my opinion it would've been better to wait for superhans to reply and then tell everyone that.

That's no fun, where's the challenge in that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Superhans seems noob town to me. My explanation for us being polite with each other is that we're both new players and realize that about each other.

^ Daaamnn

Just tried one of these links, I saw that green code with [post= ] [/post] and thought it was referring to posts in this thread *facepalm*

Well I didn't want to play the noobcard, but I guess I can't help myself.

I find this very interesting indeed.

[ConnorJC]

What I find interesting is that TheDominator is on the forum's active list but isn't posting here. It seems that its lack of posts is intentional.
Now, what conclusions we should draw from that, I have no idea rn.

pedit: Thought I'd point this out while it's relevant, but don't let me distract the superhans/rautherdir stuff going on

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

I voted TheDominator37 because the game had started and there was no solid evidence to base a lynching.

I actually voted TheDominator37 just because he had happened to have voted for himself that I joked was a slightly scummy thing to do.

I'm unvoting because I'm fairly sure I'll be voting more constructively, (I have my eyes on ConnorJC and LQ). I also will be happy to focus on any lurkers (although will probably wait a bit longer before considering the Lurker Wagon).

What I find interesting is that TheDominator is on the forum's active list but isn't posting here. It seems that its lack of posts is intentional.
Now, what conclusions we should draw from that, I have no idea rn.

pedit: Thought I'd point this out while it's relevant, but don't let me distract the superhans/rautherdir stuff going on

I alluded to this before - That Dom could be not posting on purpose as a reaction test. Dom is seeing me taking the lead and seems fine with that.

[ConnorJC]

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

UNVOTE: TheDominator37

May I have a reason with that unvote?

I voted TheDominator37 because the game had started and there was no solid evidence to base a lynching.

I actually voted TheDominator37 just because he had happened to have voted for himself that I joked was a slightly scummy thing to do.

I'm unvoting because I'm fairly sure I'll be voting more constructively, (I have my eyes on ConnorJC and LQ). I also will be happy to focus on any lurkers (although will probably wait a bit longer before considering the Lurker Wagon).

What I find interesting is that TheDominator is on the forum's active list but isn't posting here. It seems that its lack of posts is intentional.
Now, what conclusions we should draw from that, I have no idea rn.

pedit: Thought I'd point this out while it's relevant, but don't let me distract the superhans/rautherdir stuff going on

I alluded to this before - That Dom could be not posting on purpose as a reaction test. Dom is seeing me taking the lead and seems fine with that.

I know you did; however, now that its bandwagon has cooled down, I think that it's about time TheDom showed us some content.