Yes, I started scumreading nydushermain after he started lining up lynches. He's insisted over and over that that wasn't the intention behind the post, but of course I have no reason to buy that, and I think it's still a strong reason to scumread him.In post 300, Pepchoninga wrote:Is this the case with nydushermain at the time where those posts were made since I'm yet to read furhter?
Pep, I'm lookin at you. At this point in the game you've been very passive. And I don't recall this being you. To me you seem unusually passive this game.In post 101, Gamma Emerald wrote:I am in agreement with Ramcius here: mafia are usually very passive, I feel in Newbies especially. I've seen scum win by not putting themselves out there much. That's why I drive people to post sometimes by specifically hunting their activity.
That's quite a lot of words for one simple point. I definitely feel Ramcius is town currently for thinking similarly to me.
I feel as if scum!accountant would have to quote the Being a Good IC wiki thread "I expect a scum IC to teach correctly and also play to win - almost all the time that's just the smart play. The only difference being, really, that a scum IC will tend to teach things that are true and are sound, logical advice but also just happen, in this one specific case, to lower the town's chances of winning due to factors the town can't possibly know about; or else, the scum IC will give good pro-town advice, but then will use the trust he gets from the town from that good advice to lead the town on bad bandwagons until the town loses. Good scum play is generally very similar to good town play, as far as the uninformed observer can tell. - Yosarian2In post 122, Pepchoninga wrote:Last let me point out that if Accountant is holding back just because he is an IC, well this is dumb. Isn't the ICs job to help us get better at the game, by explaining things and giving his best in the game? He can do both imo. We are playing a game of mafia and even tho this is a newbie game where most of us are new or at least relatively new, I belive everybody should be playing like they usually do. Nydushermain pointed out that in another Accountant game his playing style was simular but not as passive. This is what is bothering me.
At this point, why haven't you voted Pep for misinterpreting what you are saying to try to make you look bad?In post 123, Ramcius wrote:You said i'm look scared, so i said i'm not, and gave reason why i'm not, it's just simple logic, i'm very vocal, and townread by people, so getting me lynched would be hard task for mafia, especially when game so stall, so yes, i'm prime target, and announcing it i play WIFOM on mafia kill tonight (in case we got doc).In post 122, Pepchoninga wrote:By alliance I mean either Town or Scum Accountant.
Well, you say if you are not gonna help me scum hunt then don't stay in my way. I haven't seen you do any scum hunting yet. And in mafia you need to provoke people to say something to go after. That's why it's good to ask questions. you can't expect everybody to be like "Hey, I'm gonna say something scummy so you can after me". This is mostly done in the early beginning of the game or the RVS stage as you call it or whatever (not really good with the terminology in mafia still lol). After that it is a game of who is better at gathering evidence and using them to your advantage and helping your faction goals.
Also saying you are a prime target for Night 1 kill is not something I belive a town in your situation would say. Furthermore I would like to ask you why are you seeming so aggressive if you are not scared? Is this a game plan, or just your personality?
Last let me point out that if Accountant is holding back just because he is an IC, well this is dumb. Isn't the ICs job to help us get better at the game, by explaining things and giving his best in the game? He can do both imo. We are playing a game of mafia and even tho this is a newbie game where most of us are new or at least relatively new, I belive everybody should be playing like they usually do. Nydushermain pointed out that in another Accountant game his playing style was simular but not as passive. This is what is bothering me.
Could you describe me scumhunting, so i would know what i supposed to do, since you say i haven't done it yet, i'll be grateful
Was it another newbie game, that Nyd mentioned? Cause i had impression it wasn't, and i'm not going compare IC actions in normal and newbie games
But they still wouldn't. It's not a case of whether it's possible. It's that scum have no motivation to double-check the way he did.In post 325, Accountant wrote:Yes, I started scumreading nydushermain after he started lining up lynches. He's insisted over and over that that wasn't the intention behind the post, but of course I have no reason to buy that, and I think it's still a strong reason to scumread him.In post 300, Pepchoninga wrote:Is this the case with nydushermain at the time where those posts were made since I'm yet to read furhter?
@Gamma Emerald: Your tell is BS. Scum are not magically prevented from fact checking,
I think that free townreads for putting in effort and doing things that "only a townie would do" is pretty strong motivation.In post 327, Gamma Emerald wrote:But they still wouldn't. It's not a case of whether it's possible. It's that scum have no motivation to double-check the way he did.
Then why does DBW have your attention more then Pep at this time? And don't say that it's because he was prodded, I don't think this is the case.In post 182, Charloux wrote:I'd rather lynch all lurkers and lose than mislynch 3 actives and lose to lurkers. But we aren't going to do that.
Ramcius explained what this wagon is for, and what would mean for the guy who hammers; And yet you are still against it that much, why?
In post 329, Accountant wrote:nydushermain, explain clearly what your motivation was for giving an unprompted reads list. Do you think that people were very clueless as to what your reads were?
Because I can read.In post 279, Mewtaph wrote:@nydushermain: Need thoughts and reads from you within your next few posts please. Holding off on my own read list until you post yours.
In post 307, Ramcius wrote:not last post, but last time, before you was gone long enough to be proded, and i'm waiting your scumhunting lessons, show me, find scumsIn post 306, Pepchoninga wrote:Have you done any scumhunting? I might not be able to read tbh. Tho atm you are just disscusing Since I don't think I have actually questioned your scumhunting skills in my last post. I did ask a question that did not get answered. You go to the same stupid thing you asked me last time a asked you something.In post 304, Ramcius wrote:better show me your scumhunting skills, since you told last time i haven't done any scumhunting, and that was a joke, and if you read tread, you may understand, or maybe not, probably you read already, but still have no idea what going on and where we are at this point...In post 301, Pepchoninga wrote:Honestly, just your first sentence seems scummy...In post 282, Ramcius wrote:If we continue this way, we end up with 9 townies in here, since seems everyone is town in this gameSo maybe start suggesting lynch targets, not just defending everyone, and i say that to all, cause deadline is coming, and i still don't like Nys, nothing make sense to me from town POV, he changes his position all the time, first he say we shouldn't lynch DBW (ignoring me and Charloux clearly stating we just want DBW talk, not lynch), going same even after i explain several times we not going lynch DBW, and he was lining lynches there, after he agreed and said both mafia are in 3 lurking people (weird statement from town), he's case on Accountant make no sense, something he found in other Accountant game, and we should now go and find that game, cause he didn't said what was different in that game from other 9 Accountant town games, and why here it's similar to that scum game, he inconsistent in all he do, yes, he said he changes his minds all time, but he was holding on DBW lynch idea so hard despite telling him no one is going lynch
VOTE: Pepchoninga
Well now I feel like you're not even listening to anything I'm saying.In post 336, Accountant wrote:So nydusher, let's have a talk. Why am I scum? You claim that you have legitimate reasoning other than the "them" thing, which everyone other than you thinks is silly. Let's hear it. Am I too passive? Is it that I'm not giving reads on you?
Then explain it to me. Try to convince me.In post 337, nydushermain wrote:Well now I feel like you're not even listening to anything I'm saying.In post 336, Accountant wrote:So nydusher, let's have a talk. Why am I scum? You claim that you have legitimate reasoning other than the "them" thing, which everyone other than you thinks is silly. Let's hear it. Am I too passive? Is it that I'm not giving reads on you?
I think this is a simple case of conf bias. Go re-read the thread or Accountant's ISO. Try to think if Accountant's thoughts are genuine and if they make sense. Also try to think "Is Accountant trying to plant paranoia in the town?" or "Is Accountant slipping information that they shouldn't have?" And if you can't answer those questions, question Accountant some more.In post 339, nydushermain wrote:I probably scum read you for the same reason you scum read me. You've decided that I'm scum already and no matter how I explain to you my thought process, you just say "Oh I don't believe it."
I assure you, I believe very much that you are scum reading me. And hey, it looks like Alisae wants to understand too, and she hasn't decided you're scum.In post 339, nydushermain wrote:I probably scum read you for the same reason you scum read me. You've decided that I'm scum already and no matter how I explain to you my thought process, you just say "Oh I don't believe it."
That's not what I meant. What I meant is that you've got confirmation bias already planted into your head so no matter how I try to explain to you that everything that you've accused me for, I've done as town, your retort is just "oh I don't believe it."In post 341, Accountant wrote:I assure you, I believe very much that you are scum reading me. And hey, it looks like Alisae wants to understand too, and she hasn't decided you're scum.In post 339, nydushermain wrote:I probably scum read you for the same reason you scum read me. You've decided that I'm scum already and no matter how I explain to you my thought process, you just say "Oh I don't believe it."
And then convince me. Why do you think Accountant is scum?In post 340, Alisae wrote:I think this is a simple case of conf bias. Go re-read the thread or Accountant's ISO. Try to think if Accountant's thoughts are genuine and if they make sense. Also try to think "Is Accountant trying to plant paranoia in the town?" or "Is Accountant slipping information that they shouldn't have?" And if you can't answer those questions, question Accountant some more.
I'm askingIn post 343, nydushermain wrote:That's not what I meant. What I meant is that you've got confirmation bias already planted into your head so no matter how I try to explain to you that everything that you've accused me for, I've done as town, your retort is just "oh I don't believe it."
296 for my reads.In post 342, Alisae wrote:Yeah, to be honest, I think you two are getting into a TvT fight, and ywall are super distracted on what is actually going on. So let's bring it ontopic here.
To the both of you, what are your reads on other players?
I'm tired of you and your attempts at "logic" when you're not even reading what I'm saying. At this point, I just want anyone lynched for a role flip and then see what their interactions have been.In post 346, Accountant wrote:Come on, man. You think I'm a scumbutt, right? You should be chomping at the bit to tell Alisae just why I'm the scummiest person alive and get her on my wagon! Or at least, you would if you really cared about lynching scum.
