If there is a RBer, there are 2 TPRs.In post 749, ConnorJC wrote:Yes, but I somehow doubt Rautherdir is going to claim RBer .In post 748, LicketyQuickety wrote:RBers also know there are 2 PRs in the game.In post 747, ConnorJC wrote:He's very confident that there is another power role. Tracker and doctor are the two power roles that always also have another power role in the setup. However, other PRs (Cop and jailkeeper) could have a vanilla townie in their setup. Rautherdir seems to be more confident than that 50-50 that he's not alone.In post 745, toblerone187 wrote:Ok I am confused here about whether Rauther has claimed andIn post 677, ConnorJC wrote:TheIn post 675, Rautherdir wrote:I'm not scum though. Though the other Power role could probably realize something I've left out and hinted at a few times.otherpower role?
Are you claiming tracker or doctor then?whathe has claimed
Looking at the matrix, at this stage Mafia can have no idea which PRs town have. Even if Rauther is a Mafia roleblocker there are still 4 possible town PRs, correct? And he could not safely claim tracker as a cop or jailkeeper could call him out on that yes?
@Connor, why did you only mention tracker or doctor? Am I missing something?
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Also, it would be really awkward for an RBer to fakeclaim, because they don't know which setup it is, so it's likely they'll get hit with a counterclaim.
The only real evidence that Rautherdir might be an RBer is #675. It can be interpreted as rolefishing, but I can also see it as Rautherdir trying to tell another PR something.-
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Remember this post if I flip.In post 61, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Hmmm.In post 54, Rautherdir wrote:Town would do it because it helps bring attention to someone with knowledge of the starting scenario, i.e. a power role that could be mafia or town.
Mafia wouldn't do it because it lets information about the game slip. (Namely, it would narrow down the possibilities for the starting scenario and what other power roles are out there.)
The only way that LQ would have information about the starting scenario is if he was a power role or mafia; if he was a power role, I personally don't think that he'd be interested in painting a huge target on his back and hinting to the other PR (if one exists) that he is town early is silly when he can confirm himself if he has to by claiming.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Right, the only PR that R can't be is Cop. So then why were they all over me for my 6?In post 752, ConnorJC wrote:Also, it looks like I don't know how to read the setup. 1-Shot BP is also on the knows there are 2 PRs list.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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And this doesn't line up at all.In post 17, Rautherdir wrote:That was a short read. Also, TheDominator37, did you just vote yourself?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Jailkeeper as wellIn post 754, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Right, the only PR that R can't be is Cop. So then why were they all over me for my 6?In post 752, ConnorJC wrote:Also, it looks like I don't know how to read the setup. 1-Shot BP is also on the knows there are 2 PRs list.-
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In post 16, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to confirm, reading through the thread nowIn post 366, TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
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You are correct. This is why I like vanilla games the best. Set up stuff/POE based on roles is something I am horrible at, far below average actually.In post 756, ConnorJC wrote:
Jailkeeper as wellIn post 754, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Right, the only PR that R can't be is Cop. So then why were they all over me for my 6?In post 752, ConnorJC wrote:Also, it looks like I don't know how to read the setup. 1-Shot BP is also on the knows there are 2 PRs list.
Still, I know that Doc is the best thing for Mafia to claim if there are no PRs outed yet.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I thought Dom's play was a reaction test?In post 757, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 16, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to confirm, reading through the thread nowIn post 366, TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
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Only until they are prodded. Now, its either that they are Scum or they have lost interest in the game (or they are busy with other things). Was going to bring this up earlier and I really should have, but I wanted to see if he would've posted without me saying anything. I took the risk that he would post and he hasn't.In post 759, ConnorJC wrote:
I thought Dom's play was a reaction test?In post 757, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 16, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to confirm, reading through the thread nowIn post 366, TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
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We'll see. He has about 17 hours left to post before he gets a real prod.In post 760, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Only until they are prodded. Now, its either that they are Scum or they have lost interest in the game (or they are busy with other things). Was going to bring this up earlier and I really should have, but I wanted to see if he would've posted without me saying anything. I took the risk that he would post and he hasn't.In post 759, ConnorJC wrote:
I thought Dom's play was a reaction test?In post 757, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 16, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to confirm, reading through the thread nowIn post 366, TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
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I assumed something about Dom that turned out to not be true, as unfortunate as that is for both him and the players in the game as well as me for assuming someone was better at the game then they really were.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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That's right, it was the weekend. Feeling kinda stupid right now.In post 761, ConnorJC wrote:
We'll see. He has about 17 hours left to post before he gets a real prod.In post 760, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Only until they are prodded. Now, its either that they are Scum or they have lost interest in the game (or they are busy with other things). Was going to bring this up earlier and I really should have, but I wanted to see if he would've posted without me saying anything. I took the risk that he would post and he hasn't.In post 759, ConnorJC wrote:
I thought Dom's play was a reaction test?In post 757, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 16, Rautherdir wrote:Posting to confirm, reading through the thread nowIn post 366, TheDominator37 wrote:
Then what started it if my wagon didn't?In post 201, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't like this attempt to take credit for starting conversation; it should be obvious that very little (if any at all) discussion is centering around your self-vote.In post 110, TheDominator37 wrote:
It seems to be working rnIn post 23, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for day one is to create conversation. A self-vote doesn't really have the ability to do that. Which is why it's considered scummy to vote for yourself.
I also don't like the vote on Superhaus; seems like an easy vote to make with LQ backing you up.
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Whatdoyoumean?TheDominator37'slastpostwasonSundayat3:29am.Therewere20hoursand31minutesleftofSundaythatcountedas10hoursand15minutes,andthentherewere24hoursinMonday,andthen48-24-10.25=13.75=proddueat1:44pm.
IfindthathappinessprettystronglycorrelatestotheamountofmentalmathIgettodoinmydailylife.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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No offence, but Plot is one of the most meticulous persons on this entire forum...
P-Edit: I rest my case.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Oh I feel stupid . I'm usually good at math too, but I guess I'm too tired right now to work stuff out in my head.In post 767, Plotinus wrote:Whatdoyoumean?TheDominator37'slastpostwasonSundayat3:29am.Therewere20hoursand31minutesleftofSundaythatcountedas10hoursand15minutes,andthentherewere24hoursinMonday,andthen48-24-10.25=13.75=proddueat1:44pm.
IfindthathappinessprettystronglycorrelatestotheamountofmentalmathIgettodoinmydailylife.
It'sokaytodoublecheckmymaths;pleasedokeepcallingmeoutifyouthinkI'mgettingsomethingwrong.I'mnotinfallible.ItwasareasonablelineofthoughtbecauseIhadn'texplainedthealgorithminfullbeforeandI'malsoinadifferenttimezonefromyouwhichmakesthemathharderonyourend.--P-
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I'm more of a trigonometry/reasoning guy myself. Not much meticulous about me at all.In post 769, ConnorJC wrote:
Oh I feel stupid . I'm usually good at math too, but I guess I'm too tired right now to work stuff out in my head.In post 767, Plotinus wrote:Whatdoyoumean?TheDominator37'slastpostwasonSundayat3:29am.Therewere20hoursand31minutesleftofSundaythatcountedas10hoursand15minutes,andthentherewere24hoursinMonday,andthen48-24-10.25=13.75=proddueat1:44pm.
IfindthathappinessprettystronglycorrelatestotheamountofmentalmathIgettodoinmydailylife.
It'sokaytodoublecheckmymaths;pleasedokeepcallingmeoutifyouthinkI'mgettingsomethingwrong.I'mnotinfallible.ItwasareasonablelineofthoughtbecauseIhadn'texplainedthealgorithminfullbeforeandI'malsoinadifferenttimezonefromyouwhichmakesthemathharderonyourend.--P
Note the very large message I am quoting here. Sloppy people do not do that.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well, ok, I am meticulous about SOME things I guess. For example, I know that in Skyrim as soon as you can make Orcish armor you can make as much money as you want.In post 770, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I'm more of a trigonometry/reasoning guy myself. Not much meticulous about me at all.In post 769, ConnorJC wrote:
Oh I feel stupid . I'm usually good at math too, but I guess I'm too tired right now to work stuff out in my head.In post 767, Plotinus wrote:Whatdoyoumean?TheDominator37'slastpostwasonSundayat3:29am.Therewere20hoursand31minutesleftofSundaythatcountedas10hoursand15minutes,andthentherewere24hoursinMonday,andthen48-24-10.25=13.75=proddueat1:44pm.
IfindthathappinessprettystronglycorrelatestotheamountofmentalmathIgettodoinmydailylife.
It'sokaytodoublecheckmymaths;pleasedokeepcallingmeoutifyouthinkI'mgettingsomethingwrong.I'mnotinfallible.ItwasareasonablelineofthoughtbecauseIhadn'texplainedthealgorithminfullbeforeandI'malsoinadifferenttimezonefromyouwhichmakesthemathharderonyourend.--P
Note the very large message I am quoting here. Sloppy people do not do that.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I also didn't like Nachos reaction to when I linked the limp bizkit video. Can't explain it but he gave the vibe that he wanted to say "Wut?" but didn't He talked around it a lot. I was looking for someone to mention something about it and that is the best I got.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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These time zones are frustrating, I miss all the good stuff when I'm sleeping.
Anyway lets talk about the set-up for a minute. Purely for the sake of clearing up the Rautherdir discussion. I've played enough Newbie games recently to have a fairly good idea of how the set-up interacts.
The first thing to note is that it is very difficult for scum to claim a role, and not get counter claimed.
A Jailkeeper claim gets counter claimed by the real JK in set-up's A and 1, counterclaimed by the cop in set-up's B and 2, and counter-claimed by the tracker in set-ups C and 3.
The same is true for a cop or tracker claim, these claims are 100% counter-claimable in every game mode.
A Doctor and 1SBP are marginally possible scum claims, the scum can gamble on a doctor claim and hope that we are in set-up 2 but that claim still has a high chance of failure due to being counter-claimed in every other set-up or a 83.3% chance of a counter claim.
Therefore it is highly unlikely that whatever Rauth is going to claim, we won't get a counter-claim, so we can safely wait until the day before we enter LYLO and then have everyone counter-claim him.
No more speculation of Rautherdir's role, and anyone's else's role in this game should be indulged in.
On a personal note I'm inclined to believe Rautherdir's soft claim, Nacho's reasoning that it makes no sense from a scummy perspective seems solid to me.
I'd say scum are in {Dom, Connor and Lovesick} but I may need to re-look. Until Dom gets replaced or comes and play's we are stalled somewhat but it's looking more and more likely his slot is scum from process of elimination.-
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You are missing a key detail: R will not make it to end game.In post 773, FancyPants wrote:UNVOTE:
These time zones are frustrating, I miss all the good stuff when I'm sleeping.
Anyway lets talk about the set-up for a minute. Purely for the sake of clearing up the Rautherdir discussion. I've played enough Newbie games recently to have a fairly good idea of how the set-up interacts.
The first thing to note is that it is very difficult for scum to claim a role, and not get counter claimed.
A Jailkeeper claim gets counter claimed by the real JK in set-up's A and 1, counterclaimed by the cop in set-up's B and 2, and counter-claimed by the tracker in set-ups C and 3.
The same is true for a cop or tracker claim, these claims are 100% counter-claimable in every game mode.
A Doctor and 1SBP are marginally possible scum claims, the scum can gamble on a doctor claim and hope that we are in set-up 2 but that claim still has a high chance of failure due to being counter-claimed in every other set-up or a 83.3% chance of a counter claim.
Therefore it is highly unlikely that whatever Rauth is going to claim, we won't get a counter-claim, so we can safely wait until the day before we enter LYLO and then have everyone counter-claim him.
No more speculation of Rautherdir's role, and anyone's else's role in this game should be indulged in.
On a personal note I'm inclined to believe Rautherdir's soft claim, Nacho's reasoning that it makes no sense from a scummy perspective seems solid to me.
I'd say scum are in {Dom, Connor and Lovesick} but I may need to re-look. Until Dom gets replaced or comes and play's we are stalled somewhat but it's looking more and more likely his slot is scum from process of elimination.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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