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If Tywin flips scum, Sonia is town to me.
The reason why I said it felt forced was that he immediately jumped on Sonia about the NK.
I bought it at the time, but I took more time to think about it before I came to the conclusion that it felt forced.
Not to mention Tywin continued to push Sonia when Sonia wasn't responding well to the pressure.
So I could see why you think I'm all over the place with that.| here.GTKAS-
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Entirely inconclusive. CK was pretty neutral on them, but seemed to be buddying up in some posts. The buddying could be construed as trying to foster a Town ally, or it could be supporting a scum comrade, or any number of other things. So like I said, inconclusive.In post 2290, Alisae wrote:Pine do you think Cloud incriminated Kyouko?
Is there something in particular you'd like to point to that you think indicates otherwise? (genuine curiosity)
PEdit: I just went through Cloudkicker's ISO looking for references to Sonia, and concluded that she's not scum with CK. CK started out aggressive and attacking with her, then ended up giving her a blanket TR and supporting her in a couple of places. That reads to me like someone who is looking to push an attack, seeing it not working, then shifting gears to turn them into an ally. Given that Cloudkicker knew scums' identities, it rules her out too.
Personally, this gives me solid TRs on Gamma, Alisae (with the caveat that she is either Vig or SK), Nero, and Sonia, in addition to TRs on Titus and Cabd.
Primary scumread is Tywin, based mostly off of Cloudkicker's ISO, need to drill down on some more. Honestly, though, with so many quality Townreads, it makes PoE a lot easier."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Interesting. Why isn't that post flagging down SSM?
Which post in Cloudkicker'S ISO have you scumreading Tywin?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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@PineIn post 1872, CloudKicker wrote:Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam| here.GTKAS-
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Do you think it's scummy to push someone cracking under pressure, or..?In post 2300, Alisae wrote:If Tywin flips scum, Sonia is town to me.
The reason why I said it felt forced was that he immediately jumped on Sonia about the NK.
I bought it at the time, but I took more time to think about it before I came to the conclusion that it felt forced.
Not to mention Tywin continued to push Sonia when Sonia wasn't responding well to the pressure.
So I could see why you think I'm all over the place with that.-
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Any of a dozen or so where he's hard defending Tywin. If he's not CK's teammate, I could see him putting up a token defense for the "I was right" Towncred, but not going to the effort of actually derailing the wagon on him. Cloudkicker went to the mat for Tywin.In post 2302, Titus wrote:Interesting. Why isn't that post flagging down SSM?
Which post in Cloudkicker'S ISO have you scumreading Tywin?
Ehhh, not really. That's a general crumb to anyone's listening, SSBM just happened to be the one he was engaging at the time. In context of a larger conversation about Traitors which he (if memory serves) did not initiate, it's entirely NAI.In post 2303, Alisae wrote:@PineIn post 1872, CloudKicker wrote:Kyouko youre really underestimating what a traitor would to to indicates hes the traitor to their scumteam"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Along with claims on the board means what we know of the setup right now is...
Town:
Vanilla Cop
1-shot Gunsmith
Vig
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Scum:
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Loved Traitor
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Town: Vanilla Cop
1-shot gunsmith
???
Some sort of protective role that blocked a kill last night
Scum:
???
Mafia Traitor
Third Party:
SK
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Because given that I'm a oneshot; there's already three "misleading" results: The "has a gun" on the vanilla cop; the "has a gun" on the town vig (or the "does not have a gun" on the third party SK with a knife) and the "does not have a gun" on the mafia traitor. What normal review board lets any more misleading results than that though on what is effectively a shitty weak PR. (My assumption is the setup was called town-sided and my role was thrown in at the last second as a "meh it'll make town have better odds" shit)Currently in COVID hell, population: Entire Household
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NoIn post 2307, Cabd wrote:
Along with claims on the board means what we know of the setup right now is...
Town:
Vanilla Cop
1-shot Gunsmith
Vig
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Scum:
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Loved Traitor
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Town: Vanilla Cop
1-shot gunsmith
???
Some sort of protective role that blocked a kill last night
Scum:
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Mafia Traitor
Third Party:
SK
With me so far?
We have
A) Scum killed Cloud with Vig here
B) Scum killed Cloud with SK here
C) Protective heals ???? With Vig + SK here
All have vanilla cop and 1 shot gsShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Eh, it depends if they're being provacative or not.In post 2305, Elbirn wrote:
Do you think it's scummy to push someone cracking under pressure, or..?In post 2300, Alisae wrote:If Tywin flips scum, Sonia is town to me.
The reason why I said it felt forced was that he immediately jumped on Sonia about the NK.
I bought it at the time, but I took more time to think about it before I came to the conclusion that it felt forced.
Not to mention Tywin continued to push Sonia when Sonia wasn't responding well to the pressure.
So I could see why you think I'm all over the place with that.
But Tywin easily knew that Sonia could not respond well under pressure. She voted me up when I said she was overeacting, and she and Gamma got into some kind of fight.| here.GTKAS-
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That's not pressure. That's the "Whelp" moment.In post 2313, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:I didn't crack under pressure when I was scum with a cop guilty on me-
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Cloud fliped Loved Traitor.
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I DON'T CRACK OKAY YOU BLOCK THINGIn post 2314, Aj The Epic wrote:
That's not pressure. That's the "Whelp" moment.In post 2313, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:I didn't crack under pressure when I was scum with a cop guilty on me-
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Not so sure. Gunsmith as negative utility is an interesting idea.In post 2317, Cabd wrote:Right titus I'm saying my role means vig+sk is too many false results for a gunsmith. Even MORE so if mafia doctor or town jailkeeper; that's like a third of all potential results N1ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Loved means he needs an extra vote to lynch.In post 2318, Alisae wrote:Actually newbie question, but humor me.
Whats the difference between a normal traitor and a loved traitor?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I like your thoughts and all, but respectfully disagree again. I don't think a tywin wagon had any chance of going through, especially with a few voices sticking up for him the same way that cloud was (cabd was pretty vocal in Tywin's defense, I was an echo of the same sentiment, etc.)In post 2306, Pine wrote:
Any of a dozen or so where he's hard defending Tywin. If he's not CK's teammate, I could see him putting up a token defense for the "I was right" Towncred, but not going to the effort of actually derailing the wagon on him. Cloudkicker went to the mat for Tywin.In post 2302, Titus wrote:Interesting. Why isn't that post flagging down SSM?
Which post in Cloudkicker'S ISO have you scumreading Tywin?
So there was nothing to really lose by being so vocal in his defense, there wasn't going to be a lynch there. If Tywin is town then there was no possible mislynch to lose out on.-
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I'll remember to work on my sarcasm, or my sarcasm detection.Alisae wrote:Cloud fliped Loved Traitor.
I mean, I agree. Scum can't be stacked enough to balance out town 2x investigation types, 1 full shot vig, an SK and some protection. It's far too much for the overall gamestate.Cabd wrote:Right titus I'm saying my role means vig+sk is too many false results for a gunsmith. Even MORE so if mafia doctor or town jailkeeper; that's like a third of all potential results N1
Unless you're going REALLY far south and saying the protect came from a scum jail keeper. But I think 3 possible night kills in a normal sized game is too swingy to pass
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