Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

and you've been doing it for a while. stop using your

opinions

as truths to discredit other players.
scum Gio and town Narna is not impossible, and scum working together wouldn't be just to lynch

one

VT. don't even get me started on how you've used VT in a dismissive fashion, as if Jaereed isn't a threat to scum as a VT. because this is after you've presented VT jaereed as possible conftown through your neapolitan.

It isn't an opinion. Yoshi has thrown shade on me Cakez and Gio now.

If Gio is scum then no way he lets a town Narna run wild with that many cop checks. Like what?

[BigYoshiFan]

There could be an element to the game that makes Narna's role less powerful. Regardless, Gio scum Narna town is not a fact.

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm sorry, I meant if they are both scum. My brain is fried.

[Not Chara]

Math, you have to stop this thread of taking one thing a player says, then taking an unfounded logical leap, twisting their argument then refuting the new, illogical argument you've created. it's manipulative and discrediting and scummy.

I am not doing that. I read something illogical that was said and then responded to that illogical thing. Not twisting. Everyone seems to think I am dancing when I am not.

yes, you have been. you took 'i don't trust Gio' and turned it into 'so you think us four players are all scum vocally working together to lynch one player? how ridiculous.' you used the fact Gio scum = Narna scum to support that, when that fact is not proven in the

least

.

[MathBlade]

That is how I hunt Not Chara. I look and see who they have been poking and if who they are poking makes sense together as a team. If they don't make sense as a team I point it out to them. Either then they say we'll X,Y can't be scum together and I still scumread both but not together or they maintain that is the team. Otherwise they are throwing shade at a town read.

I am physically incapable of doing things like tone so I look for logical thought out progressions on reads. It is also why I hate RVS because it is gobbledygook and I much prefer to replace in. If I can't hunt using logic I am literally incapable of playing mafia.

[MathBlade]

Take a look at Yoshi'S answer. It is sketchy as Fuck because he says there could be a mechanic implying he knows something. Those are the things I look for. People like PV who post once every blue moon are hard to read for me because of it.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is that logic or biased reasoning?

[BigYoshiFan]

Take a look at Yoshi'S answer. It is sketchy as Fuck because he says there could be a mechanic implying he knows something. Those are the things I look for.

People like PV who post once every blue moon are hard to read for me because of it.

And what I "imply" from this is that is an excuse for of a lack of a read on PV so when you mislynch him the blame is off your shoulders.

[Not Chara]

and you've been doing it for a while. stop using your

opinions

as truths to discredit other players.
scum Gio and town Narna is not impossible, and scum working together wouldn't be just to lynch

one

VT. don't even get me started on how you've used VT in a dismissive fashion, as if Jaereed isn't a threat to scum as a VT. because this is after you've presented VT jaereed as possible conftown through your neapolitan.

It isn't an opinion. Yoshi has thrown shade on me Cakez and Gio now.

If Gio is scum then no way he lets a town Narna run wild with that many cop checks. Like what?

if Gio is town, then why is scum allowing town Narna to run wild with this many cop checks?

[BigYoshiFan]

Did my claim to be an infinite-voter seem logical to you too?

[MathBlade]

Fact:Yoshi has thrown shade on me.
Fact:Yoshi has thrown shade on Cakez.
Fact: Yoshi just threw shade on Gio.

Question to ask: Does Yoshi believe in a me Cakez Gio team? If not what does he think.

The only potential extrapolation is Gio >> Narna but I don't see scum leaving a claimed psychologist alive three nights in a row.

[MathBlade]

Did my claim to be an infinite-voter seem logical to you too?

It is bastard. As long as it isn't something like 2 role PMs it gets taken at face value and then analyzed for inconsistencies.

[MathBlade]

and you've been doing it for a while. stop using your

opinions

as truths to discredit other players.
scum Gio and town Narna is not impossible, and scum working together wouldn't be just to lynch

one

VT. don't even get me started on how you've used VT in a dismissive fashion, as if Jaereed isn't a threat to scum as a VT. because this is after you've presented VT jaereed as possible conftown through your neapolitan.

It isn't an opinion. Yoshi has thrown shade on me Cakez and Gio now.

If Gio is scum then no way he lets a town Narna run wild with that many cop checks. Like what?

if Gio is town, then why is scum allowing town Narna to run wild with this many cop checks?

Because if Gio is town they have to because if Narna is town it innocent Child's Gio. Gio is the starting point not Narna. Narna's alignment confirms Gio's. (Well assuming no mass event N5)

[MathBlade]

If Narna is town then Gio either gave us a conf town as scum willingly or he himself is Town.

[Not Chara]

If Narna is town then Gio either gave us a conf town as scum willingly or he himself is Town.

scum make good plays for town all the time to be townread. a scum fakeclaiming cop has to give an innocent to a town at some point. it's the same thing with Cakez. there's history of scum inventors giving useful inventions to town for towncred. only one scum needs to play the long-game and win.

[Not Chara]

Narna is nearly a cop-check. Gio is a weak check. that scum have left both alive is already a hint that something strange is up. you can't just take what mafia is doing at face value.

[MathBlade]

I agree with this. Hell I have even used this in scum games. There is a huge difference here though. No one has a fucking clue as to what is good and true. In this case there is no Town cred need here. Let me ask you this:

As scum let's assume that Town was falling all over their heads apathetic and doesn't give a damn. Why do anything to be helpful? I replaced into late game scum and could have been helpful but instead I let Titus take over and agreed with what she said. There is no reason to help Town when you are winning.

[Ankamius]

We're not ending the day until SirCakez answers my question.

[Not Chara]

I agree with this. Hell I have even used this in scum games. There is a huge difference here though. No one has a fucking clue as to what is good and true. In this case there is no Town cred need here. Let me ask you this:

As scum let's assume that Town was falling all over their heads apathetic and doesn't give a damn. Why do anything to be helpful? I replaced into late game scum and could have been helpful but instead I let Titus take over and agreed with what she said. There is no reason to help Town when you are winning.

there are reasons. caution. to keep the lead. how you'd play as scum isn't how others would play. giving you the neapolitan would be, at most, one more clear in what is already several 'clears'. scum still has mislynch material. letting you conftown a player who wasn't in danger of a lynch before today isn't really helping town.

you're also making the mistake of assuming scum always play optimally. people make logical errors, or they're overly cautious. you can't discount that based on what

you

would do. the fact that i'm arguing this at all shoes that i, at least, would try for towncred in this situation as scum.

[Not Chara]

as i was typing that i realized how useless this whole argument is. sorry.

let's just lynch Peregrine. Creeps is fine too, but Peregrine has votes.

[MathBlade]

...Explain why I have only lost two scum games in 3 years on MS? It is because I can think like them. Breathe like them. There is not being optimal then there is outright dumb. With the amount of mislynches I am definitely not assuming the latter. I am wicked good as scum. My town game needs some work but it is because people are people and I adjust to that. But there are certain things that just make sense like sky is up and ground is down.

I think scum is running out of material to be frank. There has to be good scum in that hood.

[Almost50]

@Jae:

Knowing Math I can see them disregarding their own result on you and keeping the push, yes. However, if you are really willing to die, why not give them the opportunity to entertain us with a result on you? I can tell you what WILL happen beforehand, right here and right now, but I don't want to look like I'm giving you/them ideas, so let's just give them this one night to come up with the promised salvation.

@Gio:

Do us all a favour and check ME tonight. Scum can't kill both you AND Jae on the same night, so if you die I'm willing to eat the rope with Jae confirmed, and if Jae dies (thus Math having no result) I'd be confirmed.

Narna should probably pick someone outside of this pool of 4 to check.

Or we could make a chain, like Narna checking Gio (or vise versa) and the other checking Math while Math checks Jae. This way if Jae dies we still have results on both Math and Gio. If Gio/Narna die we have a result on Rae still with a possible result on Math (depending on which of Gio/Narna is dead).

I think the latter works better because while I'm not going to be NK'd with my claim anyway, the idea of Gio getting NK'd with me still not confirmed is not ideal in my own eyes.

Nahdia can still jail me if they want to, if we walk down the chain route that is.

Gio is claimed weak that is horrible as you are a scumread of mine.

Once again, if Gio dies I'd be lynched, but Rae will be alive and you will have a result on him, so that's good. You either caught two scum or caught one and confirmed a player as Town.

Now if BOTH Gio AND rae die there's no question about my alignment. I'd be conf!Scum all the way to the moon.

If Gio is alive I'm conf!town regardless, and we still ave your result on Rae.

And this was the first proposition. You haven' even addressed the alternative coarse I proposed in the same post.. the very post you have quoted in full to express concern over something trivial that has also been explained within the post.

GDI, yes we all know Gio is weak. So? We have him visiting CONFIRMED townies until he dies? WHAT is the use of his role then? A weak role is specifically used to scum hunt by visiting questionable slots and announcing it beforehand (or at least crumbing it in a way tha can easily be interpreted if they die at night). That way if they live their target is confirmed Town, and if they die it could be that their target is scum (if there's another NK that would be confirmed scum).

[MathBlade]

Once again if Gio dies we evaluate. I know I would want to lynch you but I would also look at how your wagon forms to see if it is a setup.

If Jae dies then y'all will know my results barring redirection/hijinks etc.'

That is seriously a way to go about it since some people like Ank don't trust the innocents. I do agree with him letting us know and circle jerking me is also an option as I said before. How your post was worded was that you both can't die which is false. Everything else in that post seemed built off the theory you both can't die.

[Almost50]

Furthermore we could circle jerk this and have Gio check me if people are really paranoid over my check results.

Which IS what I FRIGGIN' proposed as the SECOND COURSE OF ACTION WITHIN THE SAME POST, AND YOU OPTED TO OVERLOOK IT! Duh!

[MathBlade]

Furthermore we could circle jerk this and have Gio check me if people are really paranoid over my check results.

Which IS what I FRIGGIN' proposed as the SECOND COURSE OF ACTION WITHIN THE SAME POST, AND YOU OPTED TO OVERLOOK IT! Duh!

Again. How your post is worded seems like that is only an option if we agreed with the first half of the post which was you both can't die. That is why the entire post should be thrown out and the rest not read because it is fruit from the poisonous tree.

If I said because 23 scum ....lynch Skullduggery oh and Maxous is bad.

You would stop at the 23 scum. It doesn't make the then statement true or false it should just be ignored until the if statement is fixed.