Micro 672: Vanillish Mafia (Game Over!)

[Think Tank]

Hello all, ThinkBig here. Hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday. My colour is

red

whenever you see this account typing in red, you know it is TB speaking.

VOTE: Kaine

Mod edit to fix the colour tag.
You're welcome!

[Think Tank]

God I hate BB code!!

[Think Tank]

This is Pine checking in. I don't do the coloring thing, so I'll just sign my posts.

The vote on Kain was my idea, discussed while we were waiting for game start. It is a serious policy lynch vote. From what I have observed, Kain is an unreadable, disruptive, and counterproductive influence, and as such will be my default vote unless he A) Grows up and posts like an adult who is serious about the game B) Becomes obvTown or C) A superior scumread is available.

Cheers and Merry Christmas (or other seasonally-appropriate winter celebration)

Pine

Starting off real swell with my first hydra in years. A+ to me.

[Think Tank]

If flipped scum had a deathtunnel going on for Kain, I'd back off. There's lots of other things that could trigger it, but that's the first example that sprang to the mind embedded in my tank.

Feel free to RVS. I decline to participate in favor of an honest PL.

Pine

[Think Tank]

Ever been in a game with Kain?

If not, check out completed games (am phoneposting or would provide links)

Pine

[Think Tank]

60%, actually. I know I'm not scum.

That's why I'm happy to stick with the PL, lacking a good reason to go elsewhere.

[Think Tank]

60%, actually. I know I'm not scum.

That's why I'm happy to stick with the PL, lacking a good reason to go elsewhere.

Pine

[Think Tank]

Yeah same for me, but for an IC the chance is 50%

Fair enough, I concede the point.

Early Townlean on Tier, use of logic. Which suggests that 75% of the rest of you are scum. That's the beauty of this setup...score a single solid mutual (accurate) Townread and the game is solved.

Pine

[Think Tank]

Yeah same for me, but for an IC the chance is 50%

Fair enough, I concede the point.

Early Townlean on Tier, use of logic. Which suggests that 75% of the rest of you are scum. That's the beauty of this setup...score a single solid mutual (accurate) Townread and the game is solved.

Pine

Especially granted that we need to lynch only two scums to win. This should be an easy game for town.

[Think Tank]

You surely want me to townread you really bad, huh?

Well, obviously. Everyone wants to be Townread. What's your point? I'm talking about setup, not necessarily you.

Pine

[Think Tank]

whatever just policy lynch me and be done with it,, i dont feel like fighting with people who keep calling me STUPID,, i am tired of it........

Thanks for proving our point.

[Think Tank]

You don't have to replace out.

You just have to shape up, act like a grownup, and play the game.

Unvote

See? There's the benefit of the doubt. Policy lynch reprieved. Sink back into old habits of posting in shouts, appealing massively to emotion, and being enormously conceited, and your reprieve ends.

God, I hate beating up on kids.

Serious question, Kain, how old are you?

Pine

[Think Tank]

why do you sign off your message with Pine

We are a hydra of Pine and ThinkBig. In order for players to know who is typing, I (thinkbig) post in red and Pine signs his post.

[Think Tank]

Honey, Town of Salem is the white girl trailer trash of Mafia. Let me tell you the pecking order.

Mith
The Mods
Mafiascum
Epicmafia
Off-site knock offs
The Dirt
The worms inside the dirt
Ice JJ Fish's singing voice
Town of Salem


Please, let's refrain from talking about it again

LOL!!!

[Think Tank]

purposeful hydra slip from me so I can have this game under "view your posts" on my main account.

Catching up! Hope everyone has a good holiday.

[Think Tank]

Okay, so Kain's age explains a lot. I'm still put off by his style, but maturity does make a difference.

1. karnos
2. KainTepes
3. Think Tank (hydra of Pine and ThinkBig)
4. TierShift
5. Aelin
6. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
7. Spade_Ace
8. Hiraki

Removing ourself (a strange word I just invented to represent the 2=1 aspect of hydra'ing) and the ICs, I get this list:

1. karnos
2. KainTepes
4. TierShift
7. Spade_Ace

I get a pretty distinctly Town vibe from Hiraki. It's been a long time since I played with him, but I'm going to trust my instincts for now on him.

1. karnos
2. KainTepes
7. Spade_Ace

75% of this is scum. Removing TierShift, he's remained Townish...

1. karnos
2. KainTepes
7. Spade_Ace

Bam. Game solution.

VOTE: Kain

This is a genuine scumread now. I disagree with Gin-N-Tonic's 74. That is not the impression I've gotten. Spade_Ace also looks scummy independent of PoE, but his play is sophisticated enough to warrant more analysis. Nothing from Karnos yet.

Pine

[Think Tank]

VOTE: karnos

This guy is lurking too much, obv scum is obv.

I agree.

VOTE: Karnos

Seriously. We are out of RVS/QS and you enter by voting for yourself?

Jumping on this low-hanging fruit, interesting.

ThinkBig is kind of new. This is a mentoring hydra. I've explained to him why your entry is NAI. Our official vote is on Kain.

Pine

[Think Tank]

I've played a number of times with Hiraki, and this whole bitter/snarky thing he has going on reminds me of his Towngame. You don't have to trust that, I certainly don't. It's a weak and early read. Christ, it's only page 5. I'm not *certain* of anything yet. The Hiraki read is a general impression, which is about one step more reliable than saying my Magic 8-ball says so.

Pine

[Think Tank]

That's exactly correct, Hiraki. My brain was getting ahead of my typing, is all. I eliminated someone, then explained, rather than the reverse. I thought it was obvious enough not to need explanation, though.

See this? This is why Hiraki gets a Townread. Taking the time to critically evaluate stuff instead of trying to force-map it to existing reads is a classic hallmark of Town.

Pine

[Think Tank]

VOTE: TierShift

That was a very awful attempt at a QH and opportunistic.

-Think

[Think Tank]

UNVOTE: to prevent scum hammer.

P-edit: Spade is conf!scum

[Think Tank]

Since this game is nightless

VOTE: Spade

That was a scum hammer. My vote is staying right here until you explain your hammer.

-Think

[Think Tank]

Karnos, Think Tank, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Spade_Ace = 4

It's 5 to lynch.

Did you miss this vote?

Think

[Think Tank]

VOTE: Spade

Scum confirmed. My vote is staying right here until you explain your hammer.

-Think

[Think Tank]

I could've sworn he did that just so he could get the vengekill on D2.

This explanation makes no sense. Why would scum venge kill TF over one of the IC?

-TB

[Think Tank]

Note to Mod and other players: I'm might have somewhat limited access until after the first of the year. I think the place we're going has wifi, but I may be restricted to phoneposting.

Pine

Not to worry! Thanks for the heads up
Oh, and have a fun trip!
- Ari

[Think Tank]

Meh, didn't feel like switching accounts to help grab the top of the page.

[Think Tank]

Time to get back to the game!

~Think

[Think Tank]

I think the most likely team is karnos/spade/kaine.

Karnos

-His entrance to the game was rather scummy. He started with an RVS vote on himself when we were 82 posts in, well past RVS.
-He attempts to portray Spade as scum by arguing that he would have been QH by scum if he were town. While I tend to agree with this logic, this paints him as scum as well. Jin voted for Karnos and didn't unvote more than 12 hours after his initial vote. The scum team would have had plenty of time to coordinate a quick hammer during this period.

Spade

-His derp hammer on TF screamed scum. After we finished speaking about why we shouldn't hammer on page 5, he comes in and quick hammers.
-If he was town, then scum would most likely have QH him by now (see above).

Kaine

-Overall he is impossible to read and difficult to make a decision on. I don't like how he immediately sheep's my vote on Spade.

~Think

[Think Tank]

Hiraki

-I have a slight town read on him.

~TB

[Think Tank]

@Jin - I'm currently reviewing TF's analysis prior to getting hammered. Do you have any thoughts on his reads?

Spoiler: TF

Hiraki is town. Don't lynch him. Thinktank or karnos is probably the remaining townie.

I buy think tank as town.

Spade kain karnos it is. Enjoy.

Lynch karnos before kain.

First spade then karnos. Do it for town.

I just misrepresented your argument, but it still sucks, karnos.

You think I would be scared of a scum quickhammer? With spade already on hiraki? Don't make me laugh.

[Think Tank]

That leaves

1) Karnos, Kain, Spade
2) Karnos, Kain, Hiraki
3) Karnos, Spade, Hiraki
4) Kain, Spade, Hiraki

Karnos - 4x
Spade - 3x
Hiraki -3x
Kain - 3x

Based upon this, there are 4 ways in which karnos is scum, 3 ways in which the others are scum.

[Think Tank]

1) Spade, Karnos, Kain
2) Spade, Karnos, Hiraki
3) Spade, Kain, Hiraki

From this, Spade is conf!scum. If/when he does flip scum, who do you think we should focus on next?

[Think Tank]

Taking spade out of the equation (assuming he is scum), we get this:

1) Karnos, Kain
2) Karnos, Hiraki
3) Kain, Hiraki

[Think Tank]

After I die, vote for Karnos if you're town.

Will do.

I'm ready to end the game.

As am I. I think we have solved the game.

[Think Tank]

Posting for the first time in like half a dozen pages over here. Addressing Gin only, as Hiraki has already gamesolved and I've had a TR on him right from the start. It started weak but got pretty strong as we went, despite Karnos' weaksauce attempt to misrepresent it.

Hey Gin. Look, you know my scumgame. This ain't it. I manipulate, I misrep, I play games. This is just simpler.

Hiraki and I are Town. Ergo the other two are scum. From my perspective, I don't need much more. Let me give it to you though.

Kain's scumgame, both here and elsewhere, has been to throw out obfuscation, confusion, and hyperactivity when things aren't under control. It lets him votehop and justify whatever the fuck he wants. When things are going smoother, he goes to ground and lays low. I'm phoneposting from vacation, or I'd link you to other games.

Karnos is also scum. He lurks to a mislynch D1, permits the inevitable Spade lynch, and only now does he give a shit. Now he's posting like his life depends on it...because it does. As for Spade-Hiraki-Think Tank, which is what he is pushing, we were all live at the same time. I was reading Spade-Hiraki posts live. We could have easily gone for Karnos when you had your vote on him. Again, I'd link you to timestamps if not phoneposting. If Karnos were Town, he'd have been quickhammered. A 3-man coordination with daytalk just isn't that hard to pull off.

VOTE: Karnos

Watch. He's not going to get quickhammered off of this, either. He's scum. So is Kain, so if you're more comfortable lynching him, I'm down.

Okay? Don't blow this.

Pine.

[Think Tank]

I just read Aelin's ISO three times. In no way did she say anything like that you were Town. That's an outright lie. All the AtE of "I'm just a kid don't pick on me is looking super stinky in hindsight.

Pine

[Think Tank]

Please quote where Aelin TRed you.

Go ahead. It's a short ISO. I'll wait right here.

[Think Tank]

Please quote where Aelin TRed you.

Go ahead. It's a short ISO. I'll wait right here.

Pine

[Think Tank]

VOTE: Kain

[Think Tank]

Phew that was close

[Think Tank]

Hey karnos! We won!!