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[Titus]

How are you supposing that me being open to a frank dialogue is a lack of effort?

Even from your perspective, you know at least 1 other of scum scumreads is wrong. There are not likely 5 scum. Talk to me about that. Talk about which two are right.

[Alisae]

Nero that was my arguement this whole god dam day on why Titus isn't scum to me.

[Titus]

Btw, SSM is town and you vigging Nero if this fails and you push it through over my objection Alisae.

[Alisae]

Dear Town:
I am very most likely to die tonight. So in the event that I die, pleaes do the following depending on Flip
A Kyouko scum flip: Gamma or Pine will be dieing tonight. If so, please lynch the other one. If they are somehow alive, lynch them both.
A Kyouko town flip: Sheep Titus and/or Sonia and Nero or Tywin will die tonight.

With Love, Alisae.

[Alisae]

Titus Children are hard to control sometimes. But they can be right too.
And notice how hard it was to get a wagon on Kyouko?
It was a lot easier to get a wagon going on Tywin, don't chu think?
I wonder why that is.

[Alisae]

Seeing Gamma's reaction makes me thing it's not. That frustration is way more faked then anything Tywin pulled out this game.

[Alisae]

Seeing Gamma's reaction makes me thing it's not. That frustration is way more faked then anything Tywin pulled out this game.

This in refering to Kyouko being Town.

[Titus]

Titus Children are hard to control sometimes. But they can be right too.
And notice how hard it was to get a wagon on Kyouko?
It was a lot easier to get a wagon going on Tywin, don't chu think?
I wonder why that is.

Almost all my scumreads are voting SSM overnight. So, no. That wagon was easy.

Tywin dismantled but no one really disputes his scummy play but for his buddies/whiteknighters.

[Titus]

Seeing Gamma's reaction makes me thing it's not. That frustration is way more faked then anything Tywin pulled out this game.

This in refering to Kyouko being Town.

Gamma's frustration looks 100% legit opposed to Tywin's lies, fake slips about derp clears and only noticing the scumkill.

[Nero Cain]

Nero that was my arguement this whole god dam day on why Titus isn't scum to me.

is this a reply to

I agree but what do you think the false positive role is or do you think town is just massively stacked?

?


I also knew that Titus not healing Nos means not scum doc was your argument so I'm not just what you are angry about?

[Alisae]

Oh! What other roles can come up with a false positive that isn't third party? I couldn't come up with any, so town could be massively stacked. Remember Scum killed Cloud N1. Their Traitor (and their first mistake). It was in response to Mafia X-Shot Doc. And there's no reason not to heal Nos, Titus included Nos in their shots and I remember you suggesting it to me. The only possibility I might be able to consider is Mafia Odd-Night Doc.

And all of my scumreads were voting Tywin over night. See the problem here Titus?

As for Gamma's frustration, Tywin misrepresented things because he needs to #read.
Otherwise they are exactly similar.
We are flipping Kyouko.

[Painbringer]

There's zero reason to flip SSM. They've been lock step with me and been pushing smart arguments.

If your argument for Tywin town is that he's not reading, well, where is the effort to read and fix it?

We are not flipping SSM. I have 4 scumreads, do you really TR them all?

[Elbirn]

Why does everyone have a hard on for lynching Kyouko again?

[Titus]

There's zero reason to flip SSM. They've been lock step with me and been pushing smart arguments.

If your argument for Tywin town is that he's not reading, well, where is the effort to read and fix it?

We are not flipping SSM. I have 4 scumreads, do you really TR them all?

[Aj The Epic]

Being lockstep with you doesn't necessitate town.

[Alisae]

Titus, want me to work with you? Flip Kyouko. A town flip shuts down my Gamma, Kyouko, Pine/You scumteam
(You being potential odd-night scum doc).
Out of your 4 Scumreads I TR Elbrin and Tywin.

Your scumreads were voting Kyouko over night?

Votecount 3.1

Tywin Lannister 5 (Pine, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Elbirn)
Nero Cain 1 (Alisae)

Not Voting 5 (the rest o yall)

Where's the counterwagon?

[Titus]

Titus, want me to work with you? Flip Kyouko. A town flip shuts down my Gamma, Kyouko, Pine/You scumteam
(You being potential odd-night scum doc).
Out of your 4 Scumreads I TR Elbrin and Tywin.

Your scumreads were voting Kyouko over night?

Votecount 3.1

Tywin Lannister 5 (Pine, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Elbirn)
Nero Cain 1 (Alisae)

Not Voting 5 (the rest o yall)

Where's the counterwagon?

There can be no counterwagon to resigned scum.

My scumreads today are voting SSM.

The only name that might scum in your list is Gamma, but Tywin is scummier than him.

[Aj The Epic]

You realize that your scum reads thus far have included Lapsa, LUV, me, Tywin, Nero and Gamma, right? Of them, your flips have all been town. Gamma Is the only one out of that I honestly think goes scum.

So that's what I don't like about you saying SSBM has been in sync with you. Scum would be MORE THAN HAPPY to be in sync with you at this point in time.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

[Elbirn]

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Oh yeah this is scum

Choo Choo motherfuckers it's game time

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 3.5

ssbm_Kyouko 5 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
Aj The Epic 1 (ssbm_Kyouko)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Elbirn)

Not Voting 2 (Pine, gerryoat)

I'm with ssbm on this. Tywin and someone else on the ssbm wagon is probably the leftover scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh! What other roles can come up with a false positive that isn't third party? I couldn't come up with any, so town could be massively stacked. Remember Scum killed Cloud N1. Their Traitor (and their first mistake). It was in response to Mafia X-Shot Doc. And there's no reason not to heal Nos, Titus included Nos in their shots and I remember you suggesting it to me. The only possibility I might be able to consider is Mafia Odd-Night Doc.

And all of my scumreads were voting Tywin over night. See the problem here Titus?

As for Gamma's frustration, Tywin misrepresented things because he needs to #read.

Otherwise they are exactly similar.
We are flipping Kyouko.

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

@ssbm YOU CAN VOTE TYWIN AGAIN GODDAMMIT HE'S GOT 2 VOTES

[Aj The Epic]

If you say I make a move

as scum

if: and then follow it by 2 scenarios

1)Tywin is town
2)Tywin is scum

then say that 2 doesn't make sense (again,

if I'm scum

) then all you're doing is assuming I'm scum then coming to the conclusion that because I'm scum and I didn't vote, that I'm not bussing, which means Tywin must be town. That does not make sense, you never consider why I would unvote there and keep my vote off Tywin if I were town. How is this not either a)Reading Tywin off of preflip associations or b)confbiasing scum!Kyouko theories?

Can you even explain why you scumread on me? I feel like the whole case on me is speculation based around the traitor discussion and people thinking that Cloud was trying to signal me. There are probably 4-6 people you could make that case on based on CK's posts.
I did not want this day to end early and still don't want it to end. Nero and Sonia have been almost silent today as far as their content goes. If Tywin is town, the longer the day goes on without town lynching each other, the more scum will have to show their hand. I think right now you're being forced to show your hand because we didn't speedlynch Tywin. Your alignment will be revealed more and more the longer we talk, so if you're town (which I seriously doubt right now) you may be able to convince the rest of us, but if you're scum, the longer this lasts, the more obvious you will be when it's all over.

So the entire post was directed at Gamma who claimed because you were calling Tywin on not self voting, you must be town. That line of thought is bullshit so I showed the scenarios for which scum would do the same. You and Tywin shouldn't be able to be scum together due to your actions so your scum flip clears Tywin.

However, i'm going to have to unvote. My general philosophy is to make a case against anyone to create a wagon (even though this one... really didn't need help) but I can't find enough of a case to convince myself at this point in time. I feel like I'm missing a buttload of posts that made me scumread you in the first place, so I'll keep looking.

UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

Do you seriously think I'm so bad as scum that I would tie myself to my buddy so much? Look at how I defended Titus Day 1. This is incredibly moronic.

Um...Yes. I do.