Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[Raskolnikov]

Well that could've gone a lot worse I guess.

Still, wanted to see a little more first there, still had lots of time till deadline left there.

[Selynee]

Because I was pretty much useless D1 and didn't vote (though I wanted to vote Echo), my starting vote is going to be pretty risky, but I guess at this point a 50-50 read is worth it.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

[lucca261]

@lucca-- If you wanted more time, why did you point out the hammer didn't count?

I'm also interested in that.

There were two options: that I intentionally screwed up the vote formatting, or that it was an honest mistake and I intended to hammer. In either case, pointing it out leads to me immediately hammering.

He was going to realize that he didn't hammer soon enough. I wanted to see that, if Rasko did his catchup, if he would unvote. There was a lot of time until the deadline. He could've waited to do the hammer until Rasko had posted.

Sens, did you intend to hammer? Answer me, or you're going to wait Loopdan to answer and then sheep him?

[SensFan]

@lucca-- If you wanted more time, why did you point out the hammer didn't count?

I'm also interested in that.

There were two options: that I intentionally screwed up the vote formatting, or that it was an honest mistake and I intended to hammer. In either case, pointing it out leads to me immediately hammering.

He was going to realize that he didn't hammer soon enough. I wanted to see that, if Rasko did his catchup, if he would unvote. There was a lot of time until the deadline. He could've waited to do the hammer until Rasko had posted.

Sens, did you intend to hammer? Answer me, or you're going to wait Loopdan to answer and then sheep him?

Not until you forced my hand.

[SensFan]

Your insistence on the story that all I do is sheep people is cute, though.

[Raskolnikov]

Because I was pretty much useless D1 and didn't vote (though I wanted to vote Echo), my starting vote is going to be pretty risky, but I guess at this point a 50-50 read is worth it.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I really hope you didn't just do what I think you did...

[Raskolnikov]

Actually nvm.

[Raskolnikov]

So sensfan did they hammer without claim back in 2007?

I know it was my push and it all worked out fine but surely you should know that could've gone so wrong.

[SensFan]

Gave him a chance to claim. He declined to do so.

[Raskolnikov]

I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.

[SensFan]

I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.

a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claim
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways

[Raskolnikov]

Well, moral of the story is people make mistakes all the time in newbie queue.

Hmmmm

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not sure I like how you ask lucca about it as if it was partially her fault though

"hold on and wait" really doesn't seem malicious and arguing it was intended to get the hammer down doesn't sound fair.

[SensFan]

It's just as much on lucca as it is on me. There's no reasonable expectation of making a "that hammer doesn't count" post other than the hammer being made correctly.

[SensFan]

I also posted 24 earlier my intention to hammer if Echo didn't claim. Anyone could have unvoted to prevent a hammer.

[lucca261]

Your insistence on the story that all I do is sheep people is cute, though.

thanks. I'm actually cute. I'm saying all you do is sheep Loopdan, not people.

[lucca261]

It's just as much on lucca as it is on me. There's no reasonable expectation of making a "that hammer doesn't count" post other than the hammer being made correctly.

That hammer didn't count. You were going to realize that. And hammer again.

I said

That hammer didn't count. Wait for him to catch up. Don't hammer again.


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PS: I may be getting a little angry here, sorry if I offended someone.
PSII: I'm a guy lol

[TheBrie]

I'm not sure I like how you ask lucca about it as if it was partially his fault though

"hold on and wait" really doesn't seem malicious and arguing it was intended to get the hammer down doesn't sound fair.

I agree. Lucca said clearly to wait. Though perhaps if he really wanted to make sure he should have unvoted.

I'm more than half inclined to vote Sensfan now for not waiting, but I'm not sure Scum would draw attention to them-self like that. Though in that case drawing attention to yourself might trick us into thinking you're not scum. So I dunno. It's hard when you can come up with a way anyone could be scum or town.

[TheBrie]

If Rask is scum then Rask is brilliant. They're my strongest town read. But I Think Rask is good either way.

And Selynee was my second strongest townread, though that was more of a gut feeling.

[SensFan]

I'm not sure I like how you ask lucca about it as if it was partially his fault though

"hold on and wait" really doesn't seem malicious and arguing it was intended to get the hammer down doesn't sound fair.

I agree. Lucca said clearly to wait. Though perhaps if he really wanted to make sure he should have unvoted.

I'm more than half inclined to vote Sensfan now for not waiting, but I'm not sure Scum would draw attention to them-self like that. Though in that case drawing attention to yourself might trick us into thinking you're not scum. So I dunno. It's hard when you can come up with a way anyone could be scum or town.

Stop trying to think if Scum would or wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves, since you'll just talk yourself in circles.

Ask yourself if the actions of X are more likely to be made by X being Town or Scum.

[Huntress]

Just checking in. I'll look at this tomorrow.

[Loopdan]

I mean I'm not exactly up to date on my ancient site meta history but cmon. Newbie game.

a) I've seen a lot go wrong from letting people draw out a claim
b) I'm not convinced there's any claim that would have changed my mind on lynching him anyways

a) Like what? What have you seen go so wrong from letting people draw out a claim that this overrides the town benefit of getting a claim?
b) If he'd claimed a PR and there was no counterclaim you would still lynch? With that much time left in Day 1?

I don't see the town motive in what you did. I can see the scum motive.

[Loopdan]

@Brie-- Good players can look very townie. You should have the

least

certainty in your reads on the best players. That's my way of saying Rask is not likely to give up anything AI at this point in the game, so if you are town I'd encourage you to continue to revisit that read.

[Loopdan]

Huntress, what do you think of Sensfan and Loopdan. I'm sure they're not a team, but everything else about them is uncertain.

I haven't got a good read on Sensfan yet but he's looking townish so far. Loopdan I'm beginning to think may be scum. That question about Sensfan's vote felt weird, then there was the defence of Echo.


There's more I need to follow up on. I'll do that tomorrow.

What did you need to follow up on?

@Huntress-- We need content from you.

[Loopdan]

@Selynee-- Can you tell us about your game with Fredrick? You said before you couldn't read him. Impressions on him so far here?