Newbie 1770: Water Game Over

[TierShift]

Hello, I am your IC. I am here to help you learn to play the wonderful game of mafia!
Ask me any question you want to, about abbreviations, voting, lynching, anything.

I will not lie about theory, regardless of my own alignment.

VOTE: fykus
It's evening for me!

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Hello all it's lovely to meet you. Im totally new.

Hi, what do you think of the game so far?

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Actually, alignments are randomised. The chances for anyone being scum are equal.

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Why do you feel the need to return a vote? Do you think I'm more likely scum for voting you?

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Why do you feel the need to return a vote? Do you think I'm more likely scum for voting you?

answer my question, fykus.

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@MOD- I didn't see anywhere in the OP about scum daytalk. Is no daytalk standard for newbie games?

Newbie games have only nighttalk.

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Right, but your theory is incorrect. Why is your vote still on me?

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VOTE: jin

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Jack, just talk to us about who you think is being genuine, and who you think might be faking his play.

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An L-1 wagon isn't bad, no. It's actually good, it gives us something to analyse. For instance, I would say that jack and jin are not likely scumbuddies based on this. The more wagons we can analyse, the more we can say about certain players. So push for who you think is acting out of the ordinary, or someone who doesn't want to be noticed at all. Do you see such players, fykus?

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pep, why aren't you voting?

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UNVOTE: TierShift

Undoing my vote on TS for now, just because some coherent arguments for some other people here are starting to appear. I'll withhold my vote for now.

Also as a question to the experienced players here - generally when does a lynch end up being decided? Do people tend to jump on the bandwagon right at the end of the day or can people just stacks on someone half way through and cut the day short?

It usually ends up being around end of day, but can be earlier.

What does the appearance of coherent arguments for other players have to do with voting me? Why don't you make your own coherent arguments?

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I unvoted you since people are making good arguments for other people.

Which argument in particular is good?

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I want the newbies to form reads first. Throwing out my very uncertain reads with my status as IC would most likely lead to some people blindly following me and scum being able to hide in those people. I want to see actual thought processes that might improve my reads.

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I kinda want to hang one of the replacements simply for the fact that more often than not replace outs in newbie games are scum.

Ding ding dong, brilliant idea.

Nope. I studied the raw data used for those statistics and they are BS. So unless you guys have a case we are not.

We talk about this post-game. I have pretty good knowledge of statistics and I'm very much disagreeing with you here.

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Formerfish I think it's odd that you've aligned yourself serveral times now as town. I feel like it's suspicious to say that you're town especially when no one else has said it so openly. Do you feel like you need to make that clarification?

Why exactly is it scummy to call yourself town? Why would it be less scummy if others did it as well?

Okay... form reads. Moogin seems a newbie like me so mostly harmless ALTHOUGH THAT COULD be a total bluff and one of us could murder your granny with a hammer.

Formerfish seems really aggressive but I'm guessing he's just a grizzled veteran of forums mafia. He's probably a townie.
Fykus is super friendly so I'm going to have to assume he's a total serial killer irl maybe in game as well. Tiershift is a scholar and a gentleman. Nydushermain I don't know what to think. I rather like the pink checkered avatar but that's about all I know of them. Pep seems like he wants a fair game so probably a mafia member. Toto is quiet.

Okay, so who is most likely mafia? Put your vote where your mouth is.

Ah, that makes sense. I can see why you're making the assumption about me then. Honestly though, i still think TS might be scum with the way hes constantly hammering questions at me. Unless ofcourse hes just trying to get it into my muscle memory to explain myself better when making accusations (thus making me a better player someday or something).

Who knows~

Why would I hammer questions as you as scum? Why would I be more likely to do it as scum than as town?

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Toto what's up with that complacent tone? Why are you acting like this?

[TierShift]

It seems to me like this game is built on paranoia and paranoia leads to bad judgement. We'd be better on random lynching first round and seeing how everyone reacts after.

That's just my two cents in gamerlogic.

This is not how it works. This might be true for the day 1 lynch. But afterwards we will have information to work with, who joined what wagon, etc. We can afterwards deduce who is scum. That is why we all put forth arguments for who we think is scum. Because scum also have to put forth these arguments then, and they might slip up.

Now, i want you to also share your thoughts on who you think is scum.

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Toto what's up with that complacent tone? Why are you acting like this?

Toto, I'll put this here too since I don't remember seeing a reply to it. Guess that means that Tier is my partner, right? Cause they aren't pressuring you to answer that question.

I don't know what a complacent tone is

In our previous game you seemed like you wanted to work with everyone. In this game, you act like you know it all without interacting a whole lot.

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Toto however confident you are in your bullshit argument there is absolutely NO PLACE AT ALL talking about PR's day 1.

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While Fish attacks Jin for not voting in RVS he doesn't say anything about Fykus, who is also not voting RVS. At the same time he questions me for RVS voting Moogin instead of any of pre-existing wagons. Why ask that question if he feels RVS voting is what people should be doing? He is not being consistent in his line of questioning and thoughts.

Now he asks me how accurate my day 1 reads are. Why would you ask that question as TOWN? IT MAKES NO SENSE. Seriously, if we don't lynch this guy after asking this question I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm wondering if this is a serious case or just trying to probe

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Fish, what is your read on toto?

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Moogin, why are you not pushing for someone right now?
You seemed to think fykus was scum before, have you just forgotten him?
VOTE: moogin

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Nydusher I also don't recall seeing something useful from you. Who's scum?

Tot and fish you really need to stop yur pathetic dance because we need the newbies to participate more not hide behind and inbetween your walls

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What was his alignment in the previous game? Do you think his behavior this game is alignment indicative?

Town, and no. I'm just asking him where the difference comes from, so I might be able to better understand him.

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The roles are in the first or second post of the game. There are 5 or 6 vanilla townies and 1 or 2 PRs.

Toto, stop fishing. Last warning. There is absolutely no benefit to outing a softclaim at this point.

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Because if he really is a PR we can tell whether he is telling the truth or not in newbies set up immediatelly. Im basically asking him to prove Im wrong about him being scum but he doesn't want to do it.

Im fine dropping this for today but if this scumfuck is alive tomorrow he better claims immediatelly in d2.

Toto fking drop it for today tyvm

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We can lynch fykus if you want?

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Also not true. He can claim in LyLo, like every other power role. We don't know what kind of PR he has and we want scum to keep guessing. A counterclaim on day 3 is better than a counterclaim on day 1 or 2 because then the actual town PR has time to put in some work. If we get a counterclaim today this PR just dies. Fish already had committed to a PR claim so there is no way for him to back out.

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Toto what do you think of moogin's read on fykus?

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Correct. However if there is no counterclaim we just gave scum part of their game plan. And the counterclaim doesn't run away. It's there tomorrow, or the day after.

Where do you feel moogin is confident?

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We can lynch fykus if you want?

Like why is fykus a better lynch than someone who is role fishing, even after constant warnings from the IC and other people explaining to him why what he is doing is bad? Why are you trying to work with someone who you think is potential scum as you mentioned in prior posts?

I see you mentioning that I distrust toto but I'm not particularly scumreading him. I just think he's being stupid. That's why I'm diverting attention away. Because I think the attack is stupid.

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VOTE: fykus
If I wasn't there already.

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Just be glad there still is someone on your rolefishing-ass side

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Ny, read on fykus?

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Ny, read on fykus?

Lynchable but not on my radar as scum.

Why not

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But do you think he's town? You're saying you're "on his rolefishing side" as if you're town reading him but you're saying you distrust him? If you were townreading him, why did you say things like "I wonder if this is just dumb attack or role fishing" (paraphrased to memory), or asking him why he was playing complacent which is, in your words, different from his previous game where he was town?

His attack made no sense to me. I didn't like it, but I don't feel it makes him scum. A different tone also doesn't make him scum. Tones change over games. Mine does too. I was just wondering why it was changing.

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Ok. Im at l-1. One more vote and Im lynched. Tier how many scum do you think are in my wagon?

1 prolly

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It's town I think.

Rolefishing so blatantly is something scum don't do because it makes them a likely lynch target, especially in a newbie game. Town are more indifferent towards getting lynched and will just do whatever they THINK is the correct play.

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Ok. Im at l-1. One more vote and Im lynched. Tier how many scum do you think are in my wagon?

1 prolly

If he's town, who do you think it is?

Dunno, have to reread.

Toto who do you think it is?

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What do you think about that VT claim fykus made RC?

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Agreed that town mentality on your slot started to shift extremely quickly once I mentioned my townread. I'm counting on scum in there.

Rc, read on jack?

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As I'm unsure of the VC I'm goibg to unvote for now

UNVOTE:

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Okay, caught up. Toto is so over the top I kind of think he's scum.

Why does being over the top make him scum, jack?

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It's town I think.

Rolefishing so blatantly is something scum don't do because it makes them a likely lynch target, especially in a newbie game. Town are more indifferent towards getting lynched and will just do whatever they THINK is the correct play.

It was clear thwt he wanted to frame fish tho.

Frame fish? How?

Can you respond to this, pep?

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RC your post on moogin was good don't get distracted now

VOTE: moogin

Can people who townread me please sheep tyvm

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I promise I'm not scum I'm just very very bad at playing this game. (This statement sounds suspicious but it's the truth so I'll go with it since I don't know how else to word it)

Is there anything I can clear up or any questions I can answer that will help?

You can start by actually hunting scum if you'd like?

Also what does sheep mean? Just following you in voting for me?

Exactly

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RC your post on moogin was good don't get distracted now

VOTE: moogin

Can people who townread me please sheep tyvm

What. You went on moogin in an earlier post, then took pressure off of moogin to get the toto slot out of hot water to vote fykus? Then you're saying to go back on moogin? You're just voting randomly between the two... explain

I liked the RC's post and reread moogin.

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Rc why do you feel your slot is obvtown?

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Cuz apparently you're the only one who thinks so

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Ny, I think you're having trouble with the fact that I'm not showing my thought process rather than with the thought process itself.

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Some people do take notes. Do whatever you like.

I don't think you're scummy for observing. Everyone observes. The fact is that I don't get the feeling that you genuinely scumread the people that you are pushing. If you think someone is scum, you attack them. You want them to stay in the spotlight. You analyse their every move. If you don't scumread anyone, you should feel bad and make sure that you are. You are town, after all. You want to figure out the game.

That town thought process is something that you completely lack.

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I think fykus is scummy for just following the toto wagon without adding anything to the discussion. He's not really questioning anyone or trying to figure out the game. It might be lack of commitment to the game though instead of being scum.

Now I voted moogin bc RC pointed stuff out about her and I decided to reread her leading to my reasoning laid out in my previous post.

That enough?

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What made you vote initially on moogin and then ask toto if he wanted to lynch fykus and then swap to fykus? Did you forget that moogin was a scumread?

Moogin was not that much of a scumread. I just wanted to divert the attention away from the fruitless FF-toto battle to some of the newbies that were failing to participate.

Moogon, comments on my post about you?

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Moogin you just cited everything jack did. What you want to do is tell us why he's scum for it.

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Faceplanted today while riding my bike. 8 stitches and a face covered in blood. Not recommendable.

vla until the concussion clears

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Now i feel bad for my post about him.

Haha don't worry I've grilled players who were unable to post for medical reasons before. I'm still exactly as likely scum as before the incident. (this is assuming you made a post grilling me cos I haven't actually read)

After a few hours of sleep I feel a lot better so I'm positive I can stay in the game

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Also yes my slot is obvtown and I say that as the poster child of hyper aggressive scum play making scum intent. Toto could not and would not have pulled that off as scum and it shouldn't take a genius to figure that out.

Who do you expect to see you as obvtown? The newbies? Me? Formerfish?

Why di you think toto could not have pulled this off?

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I'm saying that any objective third party should have known that Toto was town. I will link you the correspondence between me and the mod before I had seen my role PM in postgame.

Sure, but if you don't actually expect anyone in this game to realise that, it's a bit silly to call yourself obvtown, isn't it?

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Another scumtell for Jack: He's dead certain that he caught both scum on d1.

There's zero doubt in his posts. He's invested in selling his reads as being above reproach.

This is much more likely to come from newbscum with an agenda to push, because they naturally don't have any doubts. Newbtown is full of doubt and uncertainty.

What the f are you talking about? That's shit.

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I'll be around today. Yesterday was the first time I've seen my daughter in about a week, and as much as I like you chuckle fucks, I love that little girl to pieces and we had some cuddle time scheduled on the couch.

I'll be honest here too, I hate the tone this game has taken. I hated Toto for being over the top and cocksure about what he was doing, especially since I know that his initial premise was faulty to begin with. I really don't like the attitudes of RC or Grey from the little I've read in the last few days. RC scolded me here

And formerfish get the fuck over yourself I'm the saltiest mafia player ever and I don't rage at newbies for being newbies in the fucking newbie queue.

and then berates newbies left and right. I don't like the empty statements about how someone was obviously town, and then have nothing to back it up with. RC you and Grey both pulled that one.

So here's what I am doing. I am resetting my reads.

Tiershift needs prodded and needs to be put into a chair in the middle of a dark room with one weak ass light over him. Tier, you have been basically non-existent in this game, which wouldn't normally be an issue, but you are the IC. You claimed at one point that you wanted to keep your reads to yourself so that you didn't influence people. Then you naked voted and called for people to sheep you. Wouldn't you rather someone sheep a well thought out and logical read on someone than a naked vote. How can the rest of us sort you if we never see the man behind the curtain?

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: tiershift

Fully agree with your post. I'd have liked to be a bigger presence but this is the first day that I'm really able to after the accident.

I also take issue with grey's demeaning tone. I find it funny he is so certain in his reads while actually flipping them from time to time. What's your read on him?

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Grey why the newbtown read on moogin?

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I liked nydushermain for town earlier this game. I think RC is town. That's where I am at this moment. I do not understand why the interest in moogin disappeared.

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These last 10 pages or so it really seems like Grey is desperate to steer the game away from himself/RC/TS and onto an easy target such as my self.

Actually, me and RC are pretty easy targets, considering the support there was for our wagons. Why do you feel like you are an easier target?

Why do you think scumGrey would try to steer attention away from the one of us that is not his buddy?

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Ny it's sad to see your latest posts have not been looking for scum at all. I hope you're up for a conversation.

But he wasn't "rolefishing" at the time because all he said was "fine you claimed PR" but he didn't delve deeper into it so if you claim to have had a townread on him then, you're just lying or just happened to have forgotten. So your claim that you tried to divert pressure away from toto and onto moogin just to nullify the argument between the two, when you were LITERALLY questioning toto's alignment at that time, unless your posts are posts you just put in there for the sake of having a good activity count, is absolute BS. Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying.

VOTE: Tiershift.

He was rolefishing by talking about fish claiming PR. I believe he asked him to claim but even if he didn't he was talking about fish's PR claim and asking him to confirm it which inherently leads to more discussion about the PR in question-->rolefishing.

I found the formerfish-Toto fight incredibly useless. Why is it inconsistent to question toto's alignment at the same time as not wanting the fight to continue?

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Jack what is your reasoning for RC being scum?

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I'm not voting fykus, RC or grey. Anyone else is fair game. Anyone with different reads is free to strike up a conversation, instead of being extremely sure in their own reads and not letting anyone influence them. It can only serve to improve your reads.

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Fish you don't think I'm scum so get that vote in a useful spot tyvm

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I also take issue with grey's demeaning tone.

You want me to care about your opinion?

Be around to give it.

Sorry for suffering a concussion, grey! I will take into consideration that I will not be able to play on MS next time I feel like suffering one!

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I have no idea how to go about this so, Formerfish seems pretty aggressive but I don't think aggressiveness in a game (at least with newbs) would imply he's scum. I think it would be someone playing it cool so... MooginSoosy seems pretty cool right now diverting attention away from him.

(how's that?)

Guys I'm sorry if it seems like my heart is not in it. I'm just trying to grasp all of this. I'm not sure how you guys are getting reads or what you're looking for exactly.

Real talk: I have brain damage and I'm just trying to learn how to play. I'm sorry if I suck at it or if I'm ruining your reads by trying to fit in. I've barely played mafia.

moogin, thanks for asking my read on jack. Led me to a reread.

At first, he seems to do things so we can see how he's doing stuff instead of him wanting to do stuff. He is also very apologetic. All fits with scum.

Afterwards, he jokingly switches to being serious and then tunnelling RC/grey. He also seems not to care about his own death anymore.

The latter thing is the only thing that gives me pause. Why would scum not care about their own death?

One explanation I have is that he's not invested enough in the game, which is apparent from everything. So I guess he is my biggest scumread.

However, I have seen very little from him and am therefore reaching out to him in 749, I hope I get a response.

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Those quotes were examples of him showing he's doing stuff and his apologies. Forgot I quoted em.

VOTE: jackchaos

Rereads on moogin, fykus and pep are also in order.

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Yeah thanks your opinion was already very out there I was looking for jack's.

Fish, read on jack?

Oh moogin's later posts are very town btw

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Fykus is trying very hard and is all over the place yet feels what he is doing is very right which is something I associate with town.

His thought progression makes sense. He makes his own thoughts and accusations and stands by them even if no one else will. His early claim also reads town. He's not keeping his cards to his chest at all.

We don't lynch fykus at all.

Fykus I hope you're willing to reconsider your read on me and willing to talk to me.

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So I've got 3 decent townreads now in fykus, RC and moogin. Don't feel like lynching grey, fish or ny (I think). Leaves pep and jack for lynching today, with preference to the latter.

Jack you have limited to come in here and talk to me before I push your lynch through.

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Why do you TR Fykus? Don't you find it weird that he is scumreading all the best (most experienced players?)

I laid out my reasoning before. Why would I take issue with him scumreading strong players? It's far easier to scumread weak players as scum.

RC townread is based on toto, who I thought was town. Haven't seen anything to change my mind.

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Why are you scumreading fykus?

I might elaborate on the RC read later.

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We're at L-1. A vote for jack ends the day. Don't do it yet. If you want to vote him, first state intent to hammer so he can claim and get last thoughts out.

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VOTE: NydusHerMain

sigh

If you think that someone should only have 2 scum right from the get go, you're horrific at this game. TS, toto/rc, jack, and fykus are scummy. I stated before that I no longer believe moogin is scummy. TS was not scum for diverting onto moogin... he was scum for being inconsistent with his reads and it just so happened that his pushes on fykus and moogin stemmed from that inconsistency. You're not reading, and it's fine. If you have the time to get past your ego, I'd like you to read the thread instead of just ISOing. You'll find that I'm more obvious town.

I responded to your accusations. Why are you ignoring me?

RC stop being idiotic tyvm

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Ny it's sad to see your latest posts have not been looking for scum at all. I hope you're up for a conversation.

But he wasn't "rolefishing" at the time because all he said was "fine you claimed PR" but he didn't delve deeper into it so if you claim to have had a townread on him then, you're just lying or just happened to have forgotten. So your claim that you tried to divert pressure away from toto and onto moogin just to nullify the argument between the two, when you were LITERALLY questioning toto's alignment at that time, unless your posts are posts you just put in there for the sake of having a good activity count, is absolute BS. Your play does not line up with what you claim to have been saying.

VOTE: Tiershift.

He was rolefishing by talking about fish claiming PR. I believe he asked him to claim but even if he didn't he was talking about fish's PR claim and asking him to confirm it which inherently leads to more discussion about the PR in question-->rolefishing.

I found the formerfish-Toto fight incredibly useless. Why is it inconsistent to question toto's alignment at the same time as not wanting the fight to continue?

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At the time, I believe it was inconsistent for wanting the fight to stop because it had barely started.

That has nothing to do with consistency. I found there was a fight going on and I wanted to break it up. You can disagree with it being a fight but it is not inconsistent in any way or form.

Unless I'm misreading the situation entirely, you tried to divert pressure to fykus or moogin on the same page that formerfish claimed WHILST you were wondering about toto's alignment.

Exactly. I can wonder about someone's alignment and not want everyone else's focus to be there. What's the problem?

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If you want me to take you seriously, take a much needed nap and come back in 2 hours. I should still be here.

Just stop responding. Please. About half of what grey says is gross exaggeration, so don't take everything at face value. Not saying it's your fault but talking to him about what he said is fruitless.

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The time frame felt too short to warrant the fight being big enough to break up.

That is not what your earlier argument was. Even if the time frame was very short, what benefit would scum-me have by breaking up the fight?

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fykus no come here and talk to me

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If I were there during the fight, I would've waited just a bit longer to see a couple more posts that were AI.

I didn't get the idea that anything AI was coming out of it (aka useless as said before), which is why I decided to intervene. At that moment I did not have a clear grasp on either arguer. Therefore, I continued to question ToTo, while trying to shift the focus of the game away.

How the hell is that inconsistent?

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Stop feeding the troll please, you even acknowledge he is town. Why the hell would you continue arguing?

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You know there's 7 other people in the game of which at least 5 are town. Maybe reaching out to them might be more useful than whatever the hell you are doing now.

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The problem is, I like to interact with people who are here.

Do it as long as it's useful. If it's not, i try to prevent it getting out of hand just as I did before with ff and toto.

Rc can easily make up reasons to scumread you. He's not even trying. I know he has a good scumgame.

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I want to vote TS but he's the only one trying to work with me. Struggling to find the scum motivation behind stopping the fight between me and grey where if both me and grey are town, this is like candy for scum!TS.

I want to plant my vote on fykus/grey, maybe pep? but I want to see what moogin has to say first.

Finally you're seeing the light. Now would you lend me your vote and use it on jack please?

And RC needs to go down d2.

Not sure if I agree.

Anyway, jack is clearly the best lynch here. Absolutely preferable over RC, who did derail the wagon.

Fykus, lynching a townie is always preferable over the WIFOM that not lynching a townie creates. With power roles and other stuff, it simply is too dangerous to not lynch all the town you can. Do you understand that, fykus? Do you not see that rC would have simply let the lynch on jack gone through if he's scum and jack town?

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Is jack at L-1?

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VOTE: pep

This slot has done nothing so far. Get out of your hiding spot.

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VOTE: Grey

He led us astray with that lynch on Jack who turned out to be townie.

I pushed jack at least as hard.

Do you think only scum lead lynches on town?

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Rc if you keep banking on the townreads you've been given now and keep being a non-factor I'm going to push you later

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Fish talk to me about your reads

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Tier, I don't know about you. You were a shade for most of day 1. I hope to see more of you now that day 2 has started and we have a bit more to go on.

I was absent for a part of day 1. I was among the most active posters in another part of it. I believe you can read me off that.

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Waiting for pep atm

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Wow, that empty slot sure is feeling pressure isn't it?!?!

Wow, that Fykus slot sure is feeling pressure isn't it?

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Why moogin scum?

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Stop talking about what happened last night. Can only serve to give away roles. Fykus, why do you scumread moogin?

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Maybe ts has another concussion

Or maybe I don't play when it's 5am for me

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Okay. Well your slot is getting lynched and I feel pretty confident that if you're not scum we'll solve the game anyway.

I believe that I would be fully justified in doing so, assuming that you end up flipping town.

Tier. Fish.

I know that you two should be able to see the scumclaim here.

No, explain it to me.

Right. So one of you two are town. We're "this close" to finishing the game up and all signs are pointing to either of you, yet you want to take the risk of me flipping town and putting everyone onto mylo for no reason other than me shitposting while we wait for more people to come on and get this lynch over and done with. Why on earth are you wanting to drag this game on for another week or longer just to get in a quick "fuck you fykus" before we're done?

I appeal to the other townies. Lets lynch one of these two and that way we can be certain that either today or tomorrow we can win this game and move on with our lives.

This is shit.

What's the proof?

Look at d2.

He spent the day dodging his buddy until he laid down a naked vote to hammer him... which he didn't even realize he was doing.

Between that and the associatives with Pepcho, Fykus is obviously the scum buddy.

Sigh is fykus scum or RC? They can't both be.

I will get to this game in a few days looking for associatives.

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I don't get why anyone thinks grey powerbussed?

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It's not about the bussing specifically it's about the fact that it looked like he was signalling him to check partner then he claimed tracker and he was trying to prevent us from wagoning Pepcho before they came back.

If you think that Grey didn't powerbus, then we should probably lynch Fykus today.

I don't get why anyone thinks grey powerbussed?

Hallelujah, a voice of reason amidst the chaos.

No, I wonder how anyone dares to call that a powerbus. He didn't push that hard and he pushed late. It was not a strong bus.

And TS, do you not find it sketchy that Grey only jumped on the slot as soon as there was a replacement?

Why is that sketchy?

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Grey you didn't answer my question as to who the last scum is: confscum fykus or confscum RC?

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I question whether Fykus would have coached that Tracker claim, which feels coached.

Agreed, so I guess it's grey or you.

Probably voting grey after rereading.

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Right, because it's obvious that scum is going to be abrasive.

It's not like they'd get father in the game by appeasing town or anything.

You can be scum and abrasive. Works as well.

Rc, do you think ny could be capable of coaching that claim?

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I mean it worked up to now, grey. The experienced people aren't attacking you for being abrasive. You know it's the experienced people that lead the lynches.

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Scum loves to keep their options open.

youre the only one actually doing this i hope you realise

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Prod dodge

Judging the latest few posts there has been a lynch but I live tomorrow anyway so eh I'll read later

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Great game. Thanks for modding, mhs.
Sorry I was absent for a few days. Good job, rc but also fykus, for staying on track. How were you so hell-bent on me being town, rC?

If anyone wants feedback, feel free to ask. RC, I generally don't do large posts giving feedback unless asked for, so for it.

Fykus, I enjoyed playing with you. You were very honest, which in the end made clear you were town. I just do not think most of the reasons you gave for scumreading people were actually alignment-indicative. Great point by smith on fights not being indicative.

Generally, finding scum is hard and finding town is much easier. Try spotting things scum would never do and work from PoE. Stick around and see which scumtells really work.

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How were you so hell-bent on me being town, rC?

Before I answer that, did you scumread me for it?

Not at all.

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Seriously could you ever see supernewb scum just throwing out that VT claim at the slightest hint of pressure?

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Are you implying you thought that he could have been experienced and hiding it or that he could have come up with this after really not understanding anything at first?