Newbie 1766 - Game Over

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nope I'm VT not a PR. Aero should have claimed PR, but he's scum I'm sure of it based on that Lucca NK target.

At work but will expand more.

expand dong please, also why would you want Sofiel over Aeronaut? Who's your second choice for Sofiel's partner, assuming he's scum?

Temporarily holding off on eliminating rb/aero team, however unlikely it seems. My initial thought was that rb was softing PR when he said that Lucca would claim VT which is why I held off on giving thoughts until Lucca claimed. I think the fact that this game has so few posts is indicative that there are scum in the SE/IC pool and I know I'm town which leaves one or both of rb/aero. When rereading I noticed most of Aeronaut's attention was focused on pressuring FC/Zeke/the_end, and when he did address Sofiel it wasn't really directed towards sorting the slot. I saw light defense of weak Sofiel stances by Aero when rb said he'd like to see stronger stances out of Sofiel. I also think Sofiel was too willing to lynch anyone D1 without really giving consideration to which of his scumreads were actually scum. He expressed he would swap votes well before deadline and restated that closer to deadline (the latter is fine, but the former was scummy).

@Aero/rb - before either of you vote I think town deserves to see serious consideration of the remaining scumteams fypov. It's only a 15 page game or so, but idk what your current game loads are like. I know rb has irl shit happening now but show your work if you would be so kind

Lucca, assuming Sofiel is scum, who do you think his partner would be and why? Take your time on this question if you need to.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Colored VCs for reference

Vote Count 1.1

the_end (2) -

Friend Computer

, ssbm_Kyouko
rb (1) - Sofiel

Friend Computer

(1) - Aeronaut

Not voting (5) -

Generalcamo, Political Clout

, rb, the_end,

Zekromaster

Vote Count 1.2

the_end (3) -

Friend Computer

, ssbm_Kyouko, rb
rb (1) -

Zekromaster

Friend Computer

(1) - Aeronaut

Political Clout

(1) - the_end

Not voting (3) -

Generalcamo, Political Clout,

Sofiel

Vote Count 1.3

the_end (2) -

Friend Computer

, rb

Friend Computer

(2) - Aeronaut, Sofiel

ThinkBig

(2) - ssbm_Kyouko,

lucca261

rb (1) -

Zekromaster

Sofiel (1) - the_end
ssbm_Kyouko (1) -

ThinkBig

Not voting (0) -

Vote Count 1.4

the_end (2) -

Friend Computer

, rb

Friend Computer

(1) - Aeronaut
Sofiel (1) - the_end
ssbm_Kyouko (1) -

ThinkBig

Zekromaster

(1) - ssbm_Kyouko,

Not voting (3) -

lucca261

, Sofiel,

Zekromaster

Vote Count 1.5

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -

ThinkBig, Friend Computer, lucca261

the_end (2) - rb,

Zekromaster

Zekromaster

(2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Aeronaut
Sofiel (1) - the_end

Not voting (1) - Sofiel

Vote Count 1.6

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -

ThinkBig, Friend Computer, lucca261

the_end (2) - rb,

Zekromaster

Zekromaster

(2) - ssbm_Kyouko, Aeronaut
Sofiel (1) - the_end

Friend Computer

(1) - Sofiel

Not voting (0) -

Vote Count 1.7

Zekromaster

(3) - ssbm_Kyouko, Aeronaut,

lucca261

the_end (2) - rb,

Zekromaster

ssbm_Kyouko (1) -

Friend Computer

Sofiel (1) - the_end

Friend Computer

(1) - Sofiel

Not voting (1) -

ThinkBig

Vote Count 1.8

the_end (4) - rb,

Zekromaster, ThinkBig, Friend Computer

[L-1]

Zekromaster

(3) - ssbm_Kyouko, Aeronaut,

lucca261

Sofiel (1) - the_end

Friend Computer

(1) - Sofiel

Not voting (0) -

Vote Count 1.9

the_end (3) - rb,

Zekromaster, Friend Computer

Zekromaster

(2) - Aeronaut,

lucca261

Friend Computer

(2) - Sofiel, ssbm_Kyouko
Sofiel (1) - the_end

Not voting (1) -

ThinkBig

Vote Count 1.10

the_end (3) - rb,

Zekromaster, Friend Computer

Friend Computer

(3) - Sofiel, ssbm_Kyouko, the_end

Zekromaster

(2) - Aeronaut,

lucca261

Not voting (1) -

ThinkBig

Vote Count 1.11

Friend Computer

(5) - Sofiel, ssbm_Kyouko, the_end,

ThinkBig, lucca261

[LYNCH]

the_end (3) - rb,

Zekromaster, Friend Computer

Zekromaster

(1) - Aeronaut

Not voting (0) -

Vote Count 2.1

Zekromaster

(3) - Aeronaut, Sofiel, the_end
Sofiel (1) -

lucca261

ssbm_Kyouko (1) -

ThinkBig

Not voting (3) - rb, ssbm_Kyouko,

Zekromaster

Vote Count 2.2

Zekromaster

(3) - Aeronaut, Sofiel,

lucca261

ssbm_Kyouko (2) -

ThinkBig,

the_end
the_end (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (2) - rb,

Zekromaster

Vote Count 2.3

Zekromaster

(4) - Sofiel,

lucca261, ThinkBig,

the_end [L-1]
the_end (1) -

Zekromaster

Not voting (3) - Aeronaut, rb, ssbm_Kyouko,

Vote Count 2.4

Zekromaster

(5) - Sofiel,

lucca261, ThinkBig

, the_end, ssbm_Kyouko [LYNCH]

the_end (1) -

Zekromaster

Not voting (2) - Aeronaut, rb

Note: Picked the darkest Green I could find for marking townflips in VCs (to avoid confusion with mod color), just putting these here to look at for anyone else interested

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unfortunately rb going nowhere last night probably doesn't tell us anything about his alignment. I was thinking the only way he would be seen killing if he was scum was if his partner was as unsuspected as he is (Aeronaut). I thought more about it and I wouldn't put it past rb to have hard bussed his newb scummate from the get-go if the team is rb/the_end. That would be done for towncred and if the goal was to gain towncred to win in 3-way then I think he wouldn't risk killing last night and would let the more suspicious scum kill. At least, if I were in that hypothetical position as rb I would want the more suspicious maf to perform the kill to avoid getting the universally TRed member caught by the tracker.

Softing PR by saying Lucca will claim VT (despite the fact Lucca softed tracker when he told Doc to stay on his previous target) was weird too.

Back to Aero/Sofiel, I think Aero is the only player that TRed Sofiel this game despite minimal interactions between their slots and low effort posting from Sofiel.

Sofiel, who is rb's partner and why is rb scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Aero somehow avoided being on both the lynch wagons despite consistently SRing both of the lynches

[rb]

Sofiel makes sense in most scumteams. I wanna find likely teams at this point and eliminate who is or isn't scum based on that.

Ssbm if you're scum basically no partner makes sense to me, so I'm fine with you as town. Last 2 scum are in aero/sof/the_end I'm positive of it.

Who's your preferred lynch?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the_end appears to be pretty probably town that was being set up to be mislynched upon rereading thread, taking notes on the 6 remaining scumteams, and tallying points on associations for each team. He's also really trying to sort Sofiel early on.
That leaves rb/aero, rb/sofiel, and aero/sofiel.

VOTE: Sofiel

After a full reread I still think it's Aero/Sofiel and I was reading as though everyone could be scum with everyone (besides myself and lucca ofc).
I keep forgetting that lucca dies tonight, keep holding stuff back thinking scum will decide whether or not they want me alive tomorrow based on it

here's an unformatted dump of my reread notes if anyone is curious, some might not make sense without context

Spoiler:

rb/Aeronaut--+--- (-4)
-rb jokes with Aero about his IC color
-Aero returns the joke
-Aero didn't notice whether rb had voted or not. Mafia are very aware of their partners
-Aero misread what rb said about voting te
-aero/rb agree to cooperate with one another after aero's readslist
-rb pressures Aero's read on sofiel
-aero questioning rb for pushing te
-rb/aero pushing each other in MyLo

rb/the_end: -------++-- (-7)
-the_end opens lightly SRing rb
-te asks why i didn't vote rb
-rb votes te for saying something scum would say (not specifc)
-rb is sad that we don't think te is scum
-rb says te is scum b/c "He isn't even trying to put out content and his only vote is just a joke per his own statements."
-rb is unconvinced by lucca towncasing te
-rb pushes te's readslist
-te agrees w/ rb about sofiel
-te doesnt care that tb is chainsawing rb for attacking te
-te keeps up on sorting rb
-rb never wavered on voting te

rb/Sofiel: +++-+ (+3)
-Sofiel Opens RVS with rb vote
-Sofiel addresses rb in RVS with smalltalk
-rb replies with another joke
-sofiel paranoid of rb declaring reads and unvotes rb b/c Zeke voted him
-Sofiel entirely glosses over Aeronaut/rb in 88 readslist and mentions everyone else
-rb coaches sofiel when sof votes Zeke
-rb pushes on sofiel's weak stances
-rb defends sofiel's behavior at deadline
-sofiel expresses paranoia of Aero for getting TRed but doesn't do the same of rb (ignores rb)

Aeronaut/the_end: ++++----+--+-+ (+0)
-the_end doesn't comment on Aeronaut in his opening post
-Aero soft defends te not voting anyone
-Aero maybe sets up scum!Zeke and town!te
-Aero misread what rb said about voting te
-Aero notices te critiqueing sofiel and defends sofiel
-Aero tries to guide te into sring me
-te defends himself in reaction to aero SRing him
-te also pushes on sofiel
-aero discredits zeke pushing te b/c zeke copied my case
-Aero plants seed of scum!te/scum!Zeke in my head
-Aero reiterates scumread on te after te defends
-Aero questioning rb for pushing te
-Aero again defending te b/c people are copying rb's reasons
-Aero accuses te of scum after townflip of FC
-te comes onto zeke right after sofiel/aero

Aeronaut/Sofiel: +-+-+++++- (+4)
-Sofiel entirely glosses over Aeronaut/rb in 88 readslist and mentions everyone else
-Asks sofiel about sof's rb unvote
-Aero also coaches sofiel in 128 but with IC color too
-Aero tries to guide Sofiel into scumreading me
-aero defends sofiel's weak stances
-sofiel mimics aero's readslist mostly
-Aero pushing for same lynches as sofiel
-Aero goes onto zeke soon after Aero
-sofiel expresses paranoia of Aero for getting TRed but doesn't do the same of rb

Sofiel/the_End:
-te doesn't comment on Sofiel voting rb
-te asks sofiel questions about his rb read, genuine sorting
-te accuses Sofiel of getting agitated in sof's 113, more sorting of the slot
-te comes onto zeke right after sofiel/aero

Who pushed who?
rb - te, sofiel
Aero - Zeke3, FC2, Kyouko
Sofiel - Zeke, FC, te
te - zeke

who defended who?
rb - Sofiel, Kyouko
Aero - sofiel
Sofiel - rb
te - Sofiel

Readlists:
rb:

Aero:
town: Sofiel, rb
null: TB, Kyouko, Lucca
scum: te, FC, Zeke

Sofiel:
town: Lucca
null: TB, SSBM
scum: FC, te, Zeke

town: rb, aero, ssbm
null: tb, lucca, zeke
scum: FC, TE

te:
town: Kyouko
null: TB/Lucca
scum: FC, Zeke, Aero, Sofiel, rb

[the_end]

lucca, why did you track rb last night? Till today nearly everyone had given rb (and Aero) a strong town read, so why did you target rb? Did you think he was scum or something else?

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.3

rb (1) - Sofiel
Sofiel (1) - ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (4) - Aeronaut, lucca261, rb, the_end


With six players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Thursday, 26th January 23.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2017-01-26 23:00:00)).

Notes

Lucca is V/LA until 18/1.

[Sofiel]

At the end of the day if you do vote for me only scum is going to be happy. They've played the game really well so far and when I say they're not going to be obvious they really aren't. But this is my first game so I'm not expecting great things.
I am Vanilla Townie/would ask people to consider how many of my actions are well-intentioned if not very good town lmao. But like just remember the last two lynches were newbie players who seemed obvscum but were actually town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ rb might not have moved last night which is a pretty good sign/he could have just not been the one who committed the kill. I do feel like its a good chance he is just a smart mafia player tbh but idk at this point.

I can see a strong likelihood based on interaction that ssbm is probably town. the_end and aero are dancing around and have been able to pass by mostly unchecked so I'm thinking the strongest poss. scumteam members are rb/the_end/aero. (And I'll steal the scumteam interaction checklist from ssbm for a future game bc thats such a solid idea.) rb got some heat d1, and in fairness to him did say he had real life shit which is understandable, but has since not posted contentful posts afaic. t_e got a bit of focus but has since been able to slide out of the spotlight - and hasn't done anything to really draw himself back into it but has voted on all of the wagons that killed a town so far. aero started the zekro lynch/backed out of it later which was a smart move. could be he didn't want to put focus on himself but i feel like it's more of a town tell that he wanted to take more time to consider than just continue on with a direct second wagon.

anyway thats my thought process right now take it how you will not much more I can say.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE:
Gonna let everyone talk but I still want sofiel

[Huntress]

Aeronaut has been prodded.

[rb]

VOTE: aeronaut

i want to lynch aeronaut

multiple reasons, like him being scum but also he's exactly the type of player who knows how powerful it is to stall out a game like this. he KNOWS if he's town his input is so fucking valuable rn, but he gives none of it.

[rb]

At the end of the day if you do vote for me only scum is going to be happy. They've played the game really well so far and when I say they're not going to be obvious they really aren't. But this is my first game so I'm not expecting great things.
I am Vanilla Townie/would ask people to consider how many of my actions are well-intentioned if not very good town lmao. But like just remember the last two lynches were newbie players who seemed obvscum but were actually town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ rb might not have moved last night which is a pretty good sign/he could have just not been the one who committed the kill. I do feel like its a good chance he is just a smart mafia player tbh but idk at this point.

I can see a strong likelihood based on interaction that ssbm is probably town. the_end and aero are dancing around and have been able to pass by mostly unchecked so I'm thinking the strongest poss. scumteam members are rb/the_end/aero. (And I'll steal the scumteam interaction checklist from ssbm for a future game bc thats such a solid idea.) rb got some heat d1, and in fairness to him did say he had real life shit which is understandable, but has since not posted contentful posts afaic. t_e got a bit of focus but has since been able to slide out of the spotlight - and hasn't done anything to really draw himself back into it but has voted on all of the wagons that killed a town so far. aero started the zekro lynch/backed out of it later which was a smart move. could be he didn't want to put focus on himself but i feel like it's more of a town tell that he wanted to take more time to consider than just continue on with a direct second wagon.

anyway thats my thought process right now take it how you will not much more I can say.

i could say the_end/aero are a scumteam

the_end's last post literally doesn't mean anything, it's just talking for sake of talking. lynch the_end or aero at this point

if sofiel is scum, deserves to win for actually putting out content vs. town players not putting out content.

ur thoughts ssbm?

[Aeronaut]

hi, I'll be here today, life's been a bitch moving back to school.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well aero and the end had a lot of points both ways on the posts I tallied today, but it looks more like if anything, aero tried to make it look like the_end was scum with him. Although I think aero SRed the_end for a while but didn't hammer because Zeke and FC were on his wagon

[Aeronaut]

Ok, hello people.

So, I'm going admit that I got really disenchanted with this game after having the flu for 4-5 days right in the middle of it, and I'm annoyed at myself because I'm in charge of keeping this game going as the IC, and should have kept it going during that time. Mainly, I was having a few second thoughts about the speed of zero's lynch yesterday but failed to do anything about it, and that's on me.

I have a few ideas of who I think could be pulling absolute bullshit here, but before I share those, I need to ask:


RB, why exactly are you so sure that SSBB is town? You spent the whole game telling us that he's town, he's town, ssbb is a bad lynch, he's town but you have yet to give any sort of reason.

I was willing to excuse that D1 just as far as gut reads, but now I'm curious where your head is that and why it's there.

[lucca261]

I'm back.

Quite honestly, the moment that Think claimed, we were kinda fucked, so.

I think it's Kyouko and Sofiel. or Kyouko and Aero. reading right now, but 440 by Aero gives me bad vibes.

[lucca261]

So, wait. Can everybody say their top scumread? I'm reading it wrong or everyone's top scumread is Sofiel. This concerns me.

[lucca261]

Aero 400

Can you tell me the number of the post?

RB 403

Why is Kyouko town again?

Sofiel 413

Again, why do you think Kyouko is town?

Don't like your attitude with Aero here, too.

Kyouko 425

I would say either you or Kyouko. I'll expand it later.

[lucca261]

either you or Aero, should be.

[lucca261]

lucca, why did you track rb last night? Till today nearly everyone had given rb (and Aero) a strong town read, so why did you target rb? Did you think he was scum or something else?

of course I thought he was scum. it was a gut read day 2.

[lucca261]

it seems that I'm not getting the Kyouko lynch I want.

[Aeronaut]

So, wait. Can everybody say their top scumread? I'm reading it wrong or everyone's top scumread is Sofiel. This concerns me.

Kyouko. I still want to hear RB's answer before I elaborate, though, because he has yet to explain it.

Aero 400

Can you tell me the number of the post?

post 161 is him crumbing

some

PR, e.g. why I hard townread him after that, and I believe even cited the post if you looked hard enough at my read list.

Generally, saying "I am definitely not going to be lynched today" is code for "I'm a PR and will claim it if necessary". I guess I'm the only one who caught it at the time.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In post 442, lucca261 wrote:
So, wait. Can everybody say their top scumread? I'm reading it wrong or everyone's top scumread is Sofiel. This concerns me.

Kyouko. I still want to hear RB's answer before I elaborate, though, because he has yet to explain it.

I don't see how rb's answer to that question affects your scumread on me, unless you're saying I'm scum because preflip association to scum!rb, in which case rb would be your top SR, so I don't buy that your read on me is genuine atm.

[lucca261]

Aero 400

Can you tell me the number of the post?

post 161 is him crumbing

some

PR, e.g. why I hard townread him after that, and I believe even cited the post if you looked hard enough at my read list.

Generally, saying "I am definitely not going to be lynched today" is code for "I'm a PR and will claim it if necessary". I guess I'm the only one who caught it at the time.[/quote]

I noticed that. That is why I said on 166 that Kyouko's only scummy vote was Friend, given what had happened on the page.

Actually, that's why I tracked him. Thought that maybe he was preparing himself to potentially CC.

My problem with it is that you said that like you were sure that he was a PR at the time. From Town!Aero POV, he could've easily be mafia preparing something.