camn's revenge mafia topic

[Secret Agent Jin]

Do you think i should just post my update instead of pushing Fate?

[Pine]

Push

someone

. If your case melds seamlessly into what's going on with Fate, sure.

Why not post it here first?

[SirCakez]

I think we can push mastin through if Jin and Mono go for her
Fate works too

[Aeronaut]

Do we want that though?

I mean I guess she's smartened up pretty fast.

[Pine]

Okay, guys, I'm calling an audible. Stand down on Fate, his reads are great for us.

This was serious. Fate's reads could hand us some easy lynches. It was announced publicly partly for WIFOM, mostly for trolling.

[Aeronaut]

yeah. He's TRing me for whatever reason

[Pine]

So Jin, belay that attack on Fate entirely. Just go after someone else. Monobear should be a good target if you can handle throwing down with them. Aristophanes would be a softer target, but possibly too soft.

Aero, keep your vote where it is. Moving off right away is not the attention we want, but taper down overt effort against Fate. Choose one of your secondary reads and get super interested in them. When/if the Fate wagon crumbles, you can either begrudgingly move it or be stubborn on him, whatever the mood of the room is.

Cakez, you do you.

[Pine]

This, btw, is how you teamscum like a boss. Wolf pack tactics.

[Aeronaut]

My vote isn't on fate right now, though.

[Pine]

Oh hmm

[Pine]

Consider quickly switching to Fate. Cite my "Stand Down" post as transparent WIFOM. That might even be better. Hell, I won't be sad if we achieve a Fate lynch

[SirCakez]

I mean she's scunreading both you and Jin so ya getting rid of her would be good.

[Aeronaut]

Fate is kind of actively defending most of us, though?

[camn]

That's the best way to get towncred from other players. Attack your supporters.

[Pine]

It's actually not a bad tactic. Attacking a supporter can provoke a strong "scum wouldn't do that" reaction from a certain slice of the population

[Aeronaut]

yeah I know that, but I'm saying as far as getting a lynch on.

Attacking my supporters is like 70% of my scumgame, and/or defending my attackers.

I feel in this scenario we want Fate around more than we want Mastin, since she's theoretically pegged two of us. But she could also be valuable later.

[Pine]

Fair enough. Call the ball.

[Aeronaut]

Mastin, whats your thoughts on the bear?

North of the null line by some considerable yet undefined margin. And in this case: I really do mean undefined. Not, "defined, but I refuse to release the exact amount". I really mean, "some undefined amount which I haven't a fucking clue about". I don't think they're scum. I'm not sure by how much I don't think they're scum. I just don't think there's been a single successful wagon on a player who's actually scum. Not Fate, not SirCakez, not drealmerz, not Monokuma, not you.

When Pine said "you guys haven't a clue".
And that his team is doing well.

No joke.
I think he was well within his rights to have made that claim in absolute sincerity.

Now the scumteam might not be Aeronaut-Aristophanes-Jin. Fuck, it's possible none of them are! That in BTD6/Vaxkiller/Prism we've got the actual scumteam. I mean, I've laid out my reasons why I more or less don't think Vaxkiller is scum, and have my doubts about Prism/BTD6_maker being scum. I've begun to give reasons for the others being scum even if not by much. But I think the scum are in those six names.

And none of them are anywhere remotely close to being lynched, none of them are even remotely close to so much as having a wagon on them. So none of the people up for the lynch are players I actually think are scum.

Now, I'm still debating in my head about whether I want to push Aeronaut, believe it or not. I'm not sure I actually do. And even if I do, while I've got the list of facts for why he's scum inventoried in my head, translating those into words might be a bit difficult and I'm not quite sure where I'd begin.

But what I won't do is lynch any of Fate/Nacho/Gin/Monokuma/SirCakez/drealmerz today.
That's my stance.

I'm trying to figure out what it is that's making Mastina question herself here. It could just be pure paranoia, but it could be something else.

[Aeronaut]

I think right now is the time to make our move if we're going to.

We could very well run the clock for a little while longer, and get us to that sweet sweet chaos that is "Random Deadline Stage", in which everyone is going to be scrambling to get

someone

lynched. That someone could very well be Mastina, depending on who would flip. It could very well be a lot of people, honestly. I don't see it being Jin, and I don't see it being SC, though. There's a chance it's me, but I don't think they could get it to swing in time.

People I could see them swinging to (in this order); Mastina, Ari, bear, gin, vax, me.


I also think that if we want a specific player gone, though, we have to act like now. Pine, thoughts?

[Aeronaut]

The more I think about it, the more partial I'm becoming to letting the thread descend into chaos, since it would be hard to parse through motivations later on that way. But that's just me.

[Aeronaut]

On an actual game note: Fuck you, Aero.
You were totally not only Pine's first pick, but also an extraordinarily good one because you're better at convincing and manipulating people than you say you are and you're so damn good at it that in spite of me

knowing

that you were his first pick you're actually making me feel otherwise.

For the record, are you allowed to tell us who you picked first, second, third, etc. Pine? (it's ok if I'm third or you thought I was Gin-n-tonic, I'm just v curious + glad to even have been picked bc this game is fun)

[Aeronaut]

Well mastina is a very good candidate for a strongman kill tonight

but that's just my opinion. Could also be good to save that for later.

[Aeronaut]

In that; We kill her tonight; then at some point in the future, possibly LYLO, I can claim to be the backup to that role with that crumb I made, and I can fake a guilty on someone who otherwise would look town.

[Pine]

I feel like killing Mastina, even strongman, is unwise. She's got good reads, but is ineffective at leading Town. She's not truly a threat yet, and is an efficient distraction.

I'm pretty sure the Masonizer claim is bullshit, but it might actually be more effective to use the Jailkeep on her. It's a risk, but it could produce at least one free mislynch if it's real. We roleblock her and ensure her survival, her Masonizer fails, she assumes it's because she targeted scum, that's treated as a guilty, free mislynch. Then Mastina is heavily suspected when they flip Town. If she claims to have targeted one of you, claim odd-night Commuter to explain the fail.

[Aeronaut]

Hmm... I think you're right. I forgot we could JK tbh