Newbie 1767 | Winter | Endgame

[SensFan]

You're still shadethrowing at me. But you're not even pushing my lynch?

Not right now. Much more interested in seeing Fred's slot get hung. Nothing against Soblev, but unfortunately the sins of Fred are still too much for me, and that's not something a replacement can change.

I'm not even convinced through and through you're Scum, to be honest. I think you might just be making bad arguments but from an honest place.

[Sickofit1138]

You're still shadethrowing at me. But you're not even pushing my lynch?

Not right now. Much more interested in seeing Fred's slot get hung. Nothing against Soblev, but unfortunately the sins of Fred are still too much for me, and that's not something a replacement can change.

I'm not even convinced through and through you're Scum, to be honest. I think you might just be making bad arguments but from an honest place.

You must be joking.

[SensFan]

Please elaborate.

[TheBrie]

My top scum reads in no particular order are Sickofit and Lucca in no particular order.
I'm TRing Huntress and Sensfan ant the moment, but not strongly.
I've got no good reason to see Rask as scum so that's town.
Loopdan is my strongest townread.

And as for Sobolev/Fred, I think that lynch would bring a lot of information and Fred was problematic and a bit scummy. Sorry Sobolev, I actually rather like you, but I'll hammer in two days. Give your up to date reads and claim if you think it will help.

@Anyone with experience, am I doing the right thing here? Would it be better to hammer sooner or ask for anything else?

[Sickofit1138]

NO DONT HAMMER SOBLEV

[Sickofit1138]

Unless he does something REALLY bad today, Soblev is NOT our lynch for today.

[Sickofit1138]

@TheBrie
You should always have them claim before a hammer.

[Raskolnikov]

Brie what's your sensfan read based on?

[Loopdan]

Less than 4 days left.

@Sobolev-- Please claim now.

[Sickofit1138]

^^^

[SensFan]

Thirding the call for a claim.

I support a hammer if Sobolev posts without claiming.

[TheBrie]

Unless he does something REALLY bad today, Soblev is NOT our lynch for today.

Why not? Don't you like what we might find out?

[TheBrie]

Brie what's your sensfan read based on?

It's kind of more of a null. His behavior lately has seemed a bit more towny, and I think scum is more likely in other places. But if it isn't I'm certainly having another look at him.

[lucca261]

I'm here now. Reading. Will post.

[lucca261]

Sobolev 503

Solid post. Sobolev made a good entrance, with solid thought process.

The parts I don't like are the Huntress stuff and the read on himself.

@sobolev, what did Huntress say that you agree with?

Don't like him trying to defend his predecessor play. I feel like this is something that scum would be more worried than town. I mean, town would be more concerned with trying to state his new reads than defending the predecessor play.

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The I'm a boy comment was about Rasko. Rasko kept referring to me like I was a women. I was just clarifying.

I'm going to explain the interesting comment too. When I put him at L-1, I was looking for Sicko's reaction. I mean, he seems so sure about my slot. And I was voting Fred together with him. I wanted to see if he would unvote, or comment at that. Then Rasko did it.

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Also, I still think that Rasko is town, but his last few posts are giving me scummy vibes. I mean, it's weird that everytime a wagon that he is in gains strength, he seems to leave it.

[lucca261]

not Fred, Sensfan. mixed the names.

[lucca261]

Rasko 510

This is clearly taking things out of context.

I'm starting to think you are doing all this stuff to try and justify your hammer and I don't like it.

Sicko 515

, Sickofit1138"]

You are so scum/confbiased town that you are asking one of your top scumreads to vote me.

Sicko 518

, Sickofit1138"]

Let's make a game. Let's say I'm lynched and I flip scum.

What are your reactions?

[lucca261]

Brie 529

What are your top townreads?

Sicko 534

This is someone people overly defensive. He has a point. Why aren't you answering it.

Sicko 544

Let's say me and loopdan are scum. I had no pressure at my spot. Like, none.

Why does he start a wagon on me? He is on a confortable spot. He could just have stayed at the sidelines with me, voting someone easier like Fred or Huntress. But he does for me? And then unvotes? This is not optimal play.

Sens 546

Funny that for someone who thinks I'm scum for so long, you sure as hell agree with me a lot.

[lucca261]

Thirding the call for a claim.

I support a hammer if Sobolev posts without claiming.

for fucks sake.

[SensFan]

Re: Sens 546
You're right. I've been trying to reevaluate my opinion of you as I think I conflated 'disagree with lucca a lot' with 'lucca is likely scum'. Truth is I do think you're coming at stuff honestly, especially lately. I'd say I'm more null on you right now.

Re: Sens 560
Yup. We have, what, 4 days to deadline? Sobolev is at L-1 with someone off the wagon expressing an inclination to hammer. There's no valid reason to try and delay a claim at this point, and the longer we let it drag out we either end up hammering Sobolev anyways, or scrambling to move to another wagon in ~2 days.

[lucca261]

the for fucks sake reaction was more about you talking about hammers again.

[TheBrie]

@Lucca I've given my town reads since then. Fid that post.

And I'm actually scum reading Lucca less and less lately. I think Sickofit is one of the scum and should be the next lynch. Maybe.

I went through Sobolev/Fred and Sickofit/Selynee's interactions to see how likely that scum team was.

Spoiler:

Selynee RSVs Fred.
Selynee unvotes Fred saying she doesn't have any particular reason to think he's scum and he's hard to read.
Fred acts strangely, but ignores Selynee.
They continue to ignore one another.
Sickofit gives very little opinion on Fred.
Sobolev lists Sickofit as a scum read, but doesn't do much to push him.
Sickofit ignores Sobolev until telling me not to hammer her.

In short they're not a likely team, but not impossible.

[Sobolev Space]

Sorry for the inactivity y'all. Got sick recently and slept pretty much all day.

Claim: 1-shot BP

@lucca: glad to see you back. The stuff from Huntress I agreed with was like post 477 about Rask v Sensfan and post 329 about the townblock. Can give more examples if requested. Re: your question to SickOfIt in post 566 - what info does town get from an answer to this question?

[TheBrie]

Well that makes me more suspicious of Sickofit's request for the BP to claim if there was one. Sounds like he knew something about the set up. and he he was town I doubt he'd ask for such information.

This is of course working on the assumption that Sobolev is claiming correctly. She could just be picking up BP as a good claim because of what Sickofit said.

If she is BP I'm guessing we're in the Roleblocker, Jailkeeper set up, and it was the jail keeper that prevented a kill. Because why would have scum tried to kill Fred?
Also there's only two setups with a roleblocker, which would make it easier for scum to guess the layout.

[TheBrie]

I'm figuring that with this game a dead confirmed BP would be better than a live uncertainty?
And dead scum is always best case.