Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[JaeReed]

Hi jaereed

Hi Trans.

What are your reads?

[Fro99er]

Would Cloudie getting killed effect Garry being in the PT?

No. I pointed this out a page or two ago and don't feel like digging up the post, but it's kosher.

Fixed quote.
-S

[JaeReed]

I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.

@Frogger- why would White scum kill Cloud just to frame you?

Other scum would have no idea of my alignment prior to the cloud kill so why are you assume from their point of view they think they are framing a town player??? Because you're other scum and know I'm town?

I think Pere might have just scumslipped that I'm town. From other scum's POV they have no idea I'm town prior to the cloud kill, but after the kill they know I'm town based off how cloud pushed me. I think pere slipped that they were framing town (when they couldn't possibly know at the time) knowing now I'm town.

@Alisae thoughts?

[gerryoat]

TBH Garry my skimming is shit atm.
Plus I haven't even voted you yet.

I'm not sure how it works, tbh. But someone linked the thing saying what i was saying is right

[gerryoat]

PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying.

how? he didnt even read the last 80 pages. which is why he thought manuel scumread me

He actually seems convinced in what he's saying.

Whether that makes him town or scum doesn't mean much beyond that he actually did believe that was a reason for the kill. He could still be on a scum team that knew he didn't kill manny and looking for a scumflip or pushing on who he believes could have killed him to get a better idea who to shoot at when the time comes. But I believe that he believes in his analysis there which means it's less likely to be the jumping on a nightkill tell. Meaning, he isn't the one who set it up to be that way.

he's town. at least i think that.

[JaeReed]

Yeah gerry would be neighborized before the kill.

Does the thread activity here die down later in the US night? I want to reread but don't wanna miss out on too much real-time interaction when I do it.

Activity dying down is this game? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good one.
I'll remember it rereading the first 170 pages.
-S

[Transcend]

Something like

{Clumsy, Jaack}

{Gerry, Jae, Yoshi}

{Alisae, Fro9, D7, PV}

{kuro, Mick}

-GAP-

{Elena, Zach}

[gerryoat]

Yeah gerry would be neighborized before the kill.

Does the thread activity here die down later in the US night? I want to reread but don't wanna miss out on too much real-time interaction when I do it.

it was active at all times. kinda why we had a 170 page day 1

[Transcend]

Prob too many town reads but idrc rn

[gerryoat]

Something like

{Clumsy, Jaack}

{Gerry, Jae, Yoshi}

{Alisae, Fro9, D7, PV}

{kuro, Mick}

-GAP-

{Elena, Zach}

why is zach so low? i kinda liked his review so far. or is it preslot bias

[Transcend]

Preslot bias. I didn't read the review.

[Alisae]

Okey Frogger

Also Jae you never showed me le slip
pedit: there's le slip.
Hmm...
honestly the one thing that may have confirmed Frogger as town to me is if Yoshi flipped white scum. The way I directed pressure onto me to Yoshi and then Frogger suddenly pushing Yoshi could be coming from black scum, but I don't think Frogger is black scum after Cloudie replacing in and immediately pushing Frogger.

I think that might actually be a slip Jae. The one thing the analysis lacks is the consideration that Frogger could be White scum. If this was singleball I would be nodding along with Frogger.

[Transcend]

Part of me wants to put kuro in the blue tier but voting patterns from him are urgh.

[Transcend]

Since when did the mod color turn blue

Since the corpses have informed me that the green was unreadable on mafsilver.
-S

[Alisae]

Since when did the mod color turn blue

[BigYoshiFan]

Dreal does not have access to a PT, such little time. I'm sorry guys.

V/LA until Sunday

Noted!

[gerryoat]

Part of me wants to put kuro in the blue tier but voting patterns from him are urgh.

I think he's town. His content has been good, he just had that one bad vote

[gerryoat]

UNVOTE: dreal

[Transcend]

"Whelp"

[Alisae]

this is an attempt to steal a pagetop

Almost there.

Spoiler:

[Alisae]

oh wait 5 more posts before pagetop lol miscounted.
It's like I'm Pep now lol
lol
lol
kill me now.

[Transcend]

You should aim for 1000 posts today

I'm gonna dayvig you on your 999th post. Muahahaha.

[Fro99er]

Okey Frogger

Also Jae you never showed me le slip
pedit: there's le slip.
Hmm...
honestly the one thing that may have confirmed Frogger as town to me is if Yoshi flipped white scum. The way I directed pressure onto me to Yoshi and then Frogger suddenly pushing Yoshi could be coming from black scum, but I don't think Frogger is black scum after Cloudie replacing in and immediately pushing Frogger.

I think that might actually be a slip Jae. The one thing the analysis lacks is the consideration that Frogger could be White scum. If this was singleball I would be nodding along with Frogger.

A player I respect one said the following block of text.
He got it from another player he respects.

I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip.

Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play.

But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.

Moreso about slips, but the NK part works here as well.

ahahahaha Nahdia said this @gerry

Alisae what do you think of frog bringing up the potential scumslip from PV then?

FWIW I'm one of those players that is notorious for that kind of play. I do it in every game, scum or town because that's one of my best methods for scumhunting and I use it in my scum game to emulate my town game. I can give loads of examples, the least of which is from my banner above my avi.

[Alisae]

Okey Trans.
Also

{Clumsy, Jaack, Mick, Me}
{Trans, JaeReed (SENPAI DON'T STAB ME NOW)}
{Kuror0, Elena}
{Drealmerz, Frogger}
{PV, Garry, Yoshi, Zach}

pedit: ok.

[Transcend]

That bottom tier is nauseating