Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony - At The End(GAME OVER)

[JaeReed]

Well Pine, that's why my real father is JaeReed.
and Hi Trans.
Considering voting Pep.

As the dawn breaks over the small, bleary eyed crowd gathering to assess their losses, a booming voice rings through the courtyard.

"What mortal dares summon me?"

[JaeReed]

Several things.
-Is there anyone else in the neighborhood or would it have just been you and Cloud?
-Does anyone else claim to be neighborized?
-Mafsilver is garbage, they should use MafBlack. But that color seems fine.
-Before we end the day, we need another vig list. This can wait a bit.
-I have a few reads that are starting to adjust, but I want to hold onto those for now
-Jae please clean up your spot. I don't want to lynch you. What do you think of everyone's reads on your slot?

I haven't finished reading up broski. Can you fill me in on some stuff? I hit page 30 then ended up playing steam games >.> Then my laptop ended up overheating and I had to force restart and lost my notes. So that was annoying.

What I remember:
Ramcius was both townie and scummy in such a way I couldn't sort him
Alisae is town
gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him
Manuel looked like he was trying to newbtell and was scummy in other ways
Pep being known lynchbait I had noted that it'd be interesting to see how Trans reads him
Yoshi is really really really fucking scummy and I want that roped.

So now with the Manuel flip and Zach's catch up you're conftown as the other mason? which means Ramcius read is irrelevant.

What's there to clean up?

[JaeReed]

I think frog could be in the other maf team now

What changed?

Cloud kill

This is a scumclaim.

Hey Jae. I think both PV and Garrybote dropped our jumping onto someone for the NK scumtell. Who are we lynching out of the two?

PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying. Not sure on gerry. Need more time and reading to see how I feel about him.

[JaeReed]

A player I respect one said the following block of text.
He got it from another player he respects.

I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.

Moreso about slips, but the NK part works here as well.

ahahahaha Nahdia said this @gerry

Alisae what do you think of frog bringing up the potential scumslip from PV then?

[JaeReed]

Jae here are the claims.
Yoshi claimed PT Cop
Clumsy claimed Mason.
Jaack claimed 2-Shot Vig I believe.

Huh.. I guess we wait for BYF's report then. His play is uberscum though.

[JaeReed]

gerryoat actually doing something in a large way makes me wary of him

you make me sound useless as town. this game was exciting cause 2 maf teams lol, i've never been in one of these before

Doesn't EM have multiball? I kind of thought it did.

[JaeReed]

PV is doing it in a way that shows belief in what he's saying.

how? he didnt even read the last 80 pages. which is why he thought manuel scumread me

He actually seems convinced in what he's saying.

Whether that makes him town or scum doesn't mean much beyond that he actually did believe that was a reason for the kill. He could still be on a scum team that knew he didn't kill manny and looking for a scumflip or pushing on who he believes could have killed him to get a better idea who to shoot at when the time comes. But I believe that he believes in his analysis there which means it's less likely to be the jumping on a nightkill tell. Meaning, he isn't the one who set it up to be that way.

[JaeReed]

Hi jaereed

Hi Trans.

What are your reads?

[JaeReed]

I have strong doubts that any scum team made a kill decision in order to frame a town player.

@Frogger- why would White scum kill Cloud just to frame you?

Other scum would have no idea of my alignment prior to the cloud kill so why are you assume from their point of view they think they are framing a town player??? Because you're other scum and know I'm town?

I think Pere might have just scumslipped that I'm town. From other scum's POV they have no idea I'm town prior to the cloud kill, but after the kill they know I'm town based off how cloud pushed me. I think pere slipped that they were framing town (when they couldn't possibly know at the time) knowing now I'm town.

@Alisae thoughts?

[JaeReed]

Yeah gerry would be neighborized before the kill.

Does the thread activity here die down later in the US night? I want to reread but don't wanna miss out on too much real-time interaction when I do it.

Activity dying down is this game? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good one.
I'll remember it rereading the first 170 pages.
-S

[JaeReed]

@Frog Just one town example would be good enough for me.

[JaeReed]

Alisae your reads are shit. I haven't even been here that long and I can already tell.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: gerry
Jesus Christ on a bicycle

Explain this.

[JaeReed]

That bottom tier is nauseating

I thought Gerry and Yoshi were your strongest town reads.

Best non clear townreads

Wait Trans, why is Elena scum again?

Voting patterns.

Can you explain what you mean by voting patterns?

[JaeReed]

Decided to divebomb Cloudie's ISO.

Yoshi can you check me tonight ?

wtf

He would have been trying to clear himself as a neighborizer.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: gerry
Jesus Christ on a bicycle

Explain this.

Much. I don't buy the neighbourhood shite seems very convenient, and the early game repeatedly being like "this is multiball? What's that?" Etc. When I'm pretty sure in sign ups there was a disclaimer saying "THIS IS MULTIBALL DONT LIKE THEN PISS OFF" etc. Seems like a fake townslip to me. And I just don't like is play in general.

This game is confirmed to be multiball.

Mick let's also add this to what you're saying.

Do either of you have reason to believe gerry would bother reading the rules and the signup stuff?

Did anyone here invite gerry to join the game or did he decide he wanted to join it himself?

[JaeReed]

Yeah then I doubt he read it.

[JaeReed]

And gerry is a lazy fuck at the best of times lol. What else have you got against him that might actually constitute a reason to vote?

[JaeReed]

Neighbour point is null.

No idea what you mean by Buddy and Bull.

[JaeReed]

Hey guys,
So the reason I stopped posting last night is I tried to reply to one of Jae's questions and I accidentally PM'd him instead of using the quote function, so I stopped posting pending a decision from Inspectorscout on whether or not I'd have to be replaced. He is OK with me just reposting the PM in game thread so here it is:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:16 am
From: ConManMick
To: JaeReed

Subject: Large Normal 201 - House of Harmony (Day 2)

Neighbour point is null.

No idea what you mean by Buddy and Bull.

Man I've said all this in the last few posts. I don't like the play with Transcend. I don't like the meta nonsense. I get a bad vibe. I want to lynch this. Please read what I'm actually saying so I don't repeat myself.

I assume this was meant to be in the game thread.

Apologies etc. Will catch up shortly.

I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!

[JaeReed]

One thing tho

How did you guys lynch Pep and not this:

VOTE: alisae

not RVS

y vote the mason?
VOTE: drealmerz7

Lol you belive his claim?

Not really but it's antitown to vote a mason claim anyway

who says there's only 2 teams?

Black
White
Obv 2 teams

s o
b a d
lol

catching up on the bullshit pages since I slept, responding to w/e then gonna continue my reread after reading up cuz flips yo.

[JaeReed]

My computer just restarted and I had the VCs colored from last night when I couldn't post to go over it this morning

Brand.New.Laptop. "We encountered an issue"

I lost my new notes again. I hate my life.

Back to reading up.

[JaeReed]

I don't think Gamma even ended up with a wagon tho, just Jaack voteparking him for a ridiculously long time.

[JaeReed]

Jae can you tell me your read on transcend, based on past experience

Probably scum pocketing both you and Alisae.

I misread him in that game where I was a survivor though and my reads there were shit barring the one on you so give or take

which reminds me you said I'm from EM... I'm not lol. I started maf here, went to play some forum maf there, hated the toxicity I saw around the place (specifically it was Jeff railing on Impo that made me give up on ever liking the community), played a bit of chat maf and a bit in the games lobby with Impo and shamu :3

[JaeReed]

Let's play a game of

"Whose slot has been more useless"

To play just remove it from the undecided category and into the slot you think has been more useless.

Undecided
---
Clumsy
Elena
Fro9
Gerry
Jaack
Jae
Kuro
Mick
PV
Yoshi
Zach

Alisae
---


Drealmerz
---
Trans

This would be my vote for a Jaack shot tonight, if we're doing the voting thing again.

I'd rather just lynch him tbh.

[JaeReed]

Frog, I think you're more likely to be town. Can we lynch Trans instead? I'm not sold on gerry!scum.

[JaeReed]

Oh I haven't voted yet.

VOTE: Transcend

In case it wasn't clear.

[JaeReed]

What has Jae done that's scummy to you?

vote obvious town. but maybe they just cant read transcend as well as i can lol.

Says the person who was scumreading Trans alongside me in Pantheon maf. You said it yourself, Trans would have done something about your wagon by now if he were town. He townread Pep and somehow the lynch still ended up on him.

Early game he postured on Alisae in much the same way that he postured regarding me in Sonia's mini normal when I was riding his coattails and people started scumreading me.

He's scum.

[JaeReed]

Only time I've played with Zach he was scum and was a shitposting fuck the whole time and unreadable. He had a good entrance here. Frog I think you might be inclined towards omgus right now. The push on you isn't amazing but is it scummy?

[JaeReed]

It was the Komaeda one.

[JaeReed]

Yeahhh I'm not up for a Zach lynch today.

Frog those two posts are two diff people, and done slightly differently. I can't really explain it they just feel different. I think you're omgusing.

[JaeReed]

Clumsy did you ever analyze the wagon on you that forced you to claim?

[JaeReed]

Gerry are you taking into account with your read on Transcend that it's multiball and he'll be doing some scum and townhunting too?

I think it's more telling that he didn't hardcore derail his townreads wagons. It shows he's not interested in defending town.

[JaeReed]

Also Kuror0 pro tip: Don't wall if you want to help convince others on reads. It's better to be concise then to wall and not have an arguement you can easily grab.

Alisae I thought I'd be nice and read your case on kuror which I skipped because it was too long and I had other shit to do earlier.... This is a gem.

Also not super convinced by it but that's more because I have a bigger fish to fry. One I'm more confident on.

Have you made the consideration that maybe kuror is just badtown w/ no idea on what's completely NAI with his pushes on you?

[JaeReed]

Because Transcend is the only logical lynch for today.

[JaeReed]

hey I prefer transcend too

Come vote him with me?

[JaeReed]

@Clumsy Alisae is town, please vote elsewhere. Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.

[JaeReed]

Jae, why are you specifically talking to me about this macro VCA? Why not talk to everyone?

Because you're the one I know is town on that wagon.

I get why you think Ali is scum but she's just badtown. Like this is someone who accidentally outed a doc in a newbie, tried a really bad reaction test in rvs then tr someone for reacting... There's so much shit that she still needs to learn but her play is screaming lynchbait town.

And I'll post colored vcs next day phase maybe. It requires removing all the mods formatting. I looked through the vote counts when I replaced in. Ali was the leading wagon for so long with nothing else exploding out of nowhere and that means she's not on either scum team. Ergo, town.

Her play supports it, vca supports it.

[JaeReed]

Alisae and Fro99 are obvscum I can't believe votes went into Transcend for that

Can you vote Alisae then? :3

Also this guy is scum for the PT check on drealmerz.

It's either a fakeclaim or his real role. I don't care which but he's scum and I'll direct you to drealmerz first post in the game to prove why he would have checked him if it's a real role as scum.

[JaeReed]

@Clumsy Alisae is town, please vote elsewhere. Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.

Actually, calling BS on this.

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7, Ramcius, Indigo, BigYoshiFan

That was the biggest the Alisae wagon ever got on D1, and this was early D1. That's L-6. Hardly a leading wagon when we had 3 people get run up to L-2 or L-1, and how is that enough information to suggest that both scum teams had that view? Furthermore, the votes then slid of Alisae like water off a duck's back as the day went on. This was not a leading wagon. This was not in line to be an apathy lynch. And that is not enough information to make that claim. Not to mention that of the people that were on the wagon, one of them is Yoshi who's read has not changed there, and the other was Ramicus, who is me and was a mason. The others that got onto that slot were Drealmerz7, kuror0, Indigo/Elena, and Ironstove/your slot. Are you telling me that that encompasses the entirety of both scum teams?

P-edit: Only if you think that L-6 is a strong leading wagon, and even then, most of D1, they had another wagon tied or 1 vote behind them until things exploded on... my slot I think? I think I was first. Actually, looking back, the first major one was Ironstove. Which then dropped off.

P-edit 2: If he's scum and actually has that role, wouldn't he also be trying to find the other scum team? In fact, if he found someone on the opposite scum team, that would make him look even better.

Alisae was actually a highest wagon contender from nearly post 400 to 1k pretty much.

No, I'm obviously not telling you that encompasses the entirety of both scum teams. That's not what I said. I said

both scum teams were happy to have Alisae there

. It means neither scum team saw fit to save her. They couldn't have cared less about her. That makes her town.

Other wagons came and went, Alisae stayed. Because scum didn't give a fuck about Alisae. Both scumteams were likely reading Ali as lynchbait town and still hunting for each other while being happy to leave Ali as their compromise lynch for later.

It's more beneficial to scum right now to get rid of town, actually. We still have majority. Once town majority is gone a quicklynch on any remaining town PRs can happen.

[JaeReed]

Jae why did you ignore my questions

I don't remember any questions. Will iso dive to check now.

[JaeReed]

Macro level vca suggests that both scum teams d1 had no qualms about Ali being the leading wagon and possible apathy lynch.

where?? he was never in lynch range day 1

and who are both scum teams

You mean these?

Just being one of the higher contending wagons makes her in lynch range D1. Especially when it held for so long. I feel like it's obvious.

As for the second, it's a stupid and pointless question. I'm not good enough to say "X, Y, Z are on black and A, B, C are on white" without having flips from both sides and having read the thread in full, and quite frankly people who do that are arrogant.

[JaeReed]

Alisae and Fro99 are obvscum I can't believe votes went into Transcend for that

Can you vote Alisae then? :3

Also this guy is scum for the PT check on drealmerz.

It's either a fakeclaim or his real role. I don't care which but he's scum and I'll direct you to drealmerz first post in the game to prove why he would have checked him if it's a real role as scum.

Please do.

i'm also curious on this

That was me telling you to look at it. Stop being lazy and click on page one yourself. It's not hard.

[JaeReed]

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7, Ramcius, Indigo, BigYoshiFan

So: Dreal who you think is town based on the yoshi scumread, Mason, Elena who is voting your wagon, BYF

What's wrong with this wagon fypov Jae?

I have not once said anything about the micro level composition of the wagon and quite frankly you're bad for trying to make it about that.

I have stated my thoughts on the macro level as clearly as I can. If you don't get it, reread it until you understand the difference.

[JaeReed]

Alisae lynch could be promising as I'm not too happy with him today and I've been waffly about him, but i want the Zach slot ran up.

Haven't been happy with him today and was waffly on him rest of game with a slight lean on town

You already said that. Expand upon why you're not happy with him today and why you're waffly on him.

Tone and progression. Outing the masons. Blah blah.

and a town flip is gonna be the best way to do it
Also Charloux PR told.

Alisae as a VT. Outing PRs isn't really a scum tell. Town are more likely to fuck up like that unless it was an attempt to signal the other team who to kill. In which case Clumsy would be dead imo.

You're better than that. You know outing PRs isn't a scum tell.

This is why Transcend is scum.

[JaeReed]

No I'm not scum jr but you can do what you do best aka lead the town into turmoil unless you get fed guilties

The last time you did this kind of dismissal of me you were scum.

You're not helping your case, buddy.

[JaeReed]

I'm saying dismissing me with that bullshit instead of trying to show me how I'm wrong doesn't help and just allows me to confbias if you're actually town here.

If you really wanted town to win you wouldn't be so fucking quiet as a vt when your townreads get run up. Discuss this thought with me.

UNVOTE:

[JaeReed]

Vig vote: BYF

Check vote irrelevant.

[JaeReed]

I'm saying dismissing me with that bullshit instead of trying to show me how I'm wrong doesn't help and just allows me to confbias if you're actually town here.

If you really wanted town to win you wouldn't be so fucking quiet as a vt when your townreads get run up. Discuss this thought with me.

UNVOTE:

Um Jae? What did you think was going to happen, someone was going to lolhammer when Trans is at L-2? There really isn't any reason to unvote here if you still want to put pressure on them.

No, but I wanted to give him a chance to interact with me while I tried to keep an open mind, and unvoting is a method of showing him I'm willing to discuss. I also figured I may as well read the thread fully first and get my notes back in order.

[JaeReed]

Check: Alisae.

Decided vigging Yoshi is stupid since we can just lynch him when he's proven fake.

Vig: Transcend
He said he doesn't mind being killed at night after all.

[JaeReed]

I feel like you're not pushing your scumreads as much as usual, especially over your trs being wagoned. It feels a lot like you're trying to avoid stepping on toes to not get crosskilled tbh.

[JaeReed]

Bullshit ones yes but I expected something like your continued push on rb. I know you're capable of strongarming the town to get the lynch off your TRs so why haven't you done that?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Transcend

Alisae is town. We can't really afford another mislynch.

[JaeReed]

Disclaimer: This is another reads list, the mod did not edit any of this post.

gerryoat

- I think Gerry's pretty much conf!town here. IMO his 318 is a townslip. Scum!Gerry is capable of faking this, but 1. Gerry likes to own the town as scum, and this is a cheap tactic that I don't think he'd use to town himself. 2. He was the 18th and final slot to hammer the game, and might not have read that the game was multiball as opposed to the earlier people who joined the game.

drealmerz7

- I didn't find dreal's 5 opportunistic at all. I was kinda hoping for an RVS wagon of some kind to really get the gears going for this game, but he prevented that. Regardless, I still strongly believe his tone and progression through the game are genuine.

Gamma Emerald

- Pretty solid town right now. Feel good about his tone as well. Don't agree with his current vote, but that doesn't change my opinion of his alignment.

Indigo

- Also had a towny intro, and I am beginning more and more to like his points against Alisae.

BigYoshiFan

- At first didn't like his lack of progression through the game, wasn't too keen on the stove vote, but I'm very keen for his points on Pep in 313. Others may disagree, but I don't mind his vote hopping at all.

Jaack

- I kinda agree with his points on Ramcius, but gun to head Ram is going to be a mislynch. But imo his vote was by no means a stretch.

ironstove

- I wish this slot would do something more substantial, but I actually do like him boosting my vote up. IDK if he scumread Yoshi at the time or not, but he was actively encouraging the wagon to rise when Yoshi wasn't doing anything.

kuror0

- I feel he genuinely got sick in 283. While this isn't a super strong alignment tell, I can believe he got sick because of all the nauseating shitposting that even I thought was a bit extreme.

Ramcius

- Gut town. Maybe it's his tone, idk. Not feeling scum here.

LemonTree, PeregrineV, Pine

- All of these are dead nulls.

Manuel87

- Manuel refers to me as town here. I'm not sure if he townreads me here or if he just doesn't want me to play stupid this time. Regardless part of me thinks he might have read the game and didn't offer any content. He's a weak scumread for now until he responds to this.

Alisae

- I liked his early play, but recently the tone of his posts has been ew. Didn't like his 334 and I wasn't enthused by his response to my question in 339

ConManMick

- Nothing substantial from this slot, and I didn't like his stove vote. It felt opportunistic.

PenguinPower

- Has admitted to reading the game, but offered nothing of substance.

Pepchoninga

- Indigo said something about scum inflating their post count to look good, but I didn't really agree with it, but this guy I do. Continuous lines of unhelpful filler which is usually not alignment indicative, and not why I'm voting him. The reason I'm voting him is for 3 reasons. 1. He's still voting his RVS vote when we're clearly past that stage. 2. He acknowledged that ironstove was scummy in 300 but no vote to follow. 3. In 398 Pep responds to the person he's voting upset that they're voting him. To me it looks like Pep is playing more defensive than actually attempting to get scum lynched.

PEDIT: I'll read the Manuel post later lol

This is a rainbow list of bullshit that Trans posted early D1.

He's scum. Transcend is more concerned with staying alive and keeping his buddies alive than with preventing mislynches and finding both teams.

Alisae has been evaluating the game at every turn in a way that newbscum just can't do. It's too nuanced.

[JaeReed]

I know trans is scum, but where's the bullshit?

Did you read his reasonings for the reads? The reads are bad, but the reasoning is scummy. It's half-assed faffy bullshit. A few posts after that Manuel even pointed out that you had a good point about Gamma (confirmed scum) so you shouldn't have been so low with Gamma so high.

I don't feel like breaking apart the reasons his reasoning is awful in a way that's scum indicative but it just is. Read it and look back at the pages prior and the content in the game up to that point and come to your own conclusion on it.

[JaeReed]

Jae I also find it wierd and awkward you haven't done your ranger reads yet.
You should do those.

Not yet, young one.
Next day phase once I've read up everything and have my shit & notes together.
You're town, d7 is probably town. Transcend is definitely scum. BYF is maybe Transcend's partner, but possibly just wrong.
Elena and Frogger are probably town.

I didn't like Zach's suggestion to vig me, but that's entirely gut based, it just felt slimy as fuck. His entrance to the game was still good and believable, and his play is different to his scum play that I've seen so far.

In any case, I'm pushing scum with you, so you should worry about reading me tomorrow and whether I'm on the opposite scum team then, after Transcend's flip, rather than right now. I know what you're thinking, just hold on to it for now, k?

[JaeReed]

@Clumsy so you'd want Alisae in the vig pool despite him being the top voted "check" target right now?

[JaeReed]

Trans claimed VT.

[JaeReed]

For fuck's sake. Alisae isn't scum.

@Transcend why are you so sure it's Elena?

[JaeReed]

I care, because you're fucking obvtown and this wagon is bullshit. I am actually willing to lynch just about anyone else to keep you alive at this point, that's how fucking confident I am that you're town. Pretty much anyone else has a higher chance of flipping scum. So stop being defeatist, because it's not helping.

We can't really afford another mislynch right now. Town actually needs to lynch scum to win, or did you all forget that?

[JaeReed]

Looking through the start of Elena's ISO I'm not finding anything that jumps out to me as particularly scummy or towny. Shit reads but meh.

BYF/Trans are the remainder's on Cloud's team imo. BYF pretending to take the claim seriously is him trying to make Ali look scummy when quite frankly it was an obvious fake to show how no one would even re-evaluate if they

were

a PR.

[JaeReed]

Her push on pep seemed like she did believe he'd flip scum though. What makes you think she's scum rather than badtown especially?

And if I lend you my vote will you call your lackies off Alisae and push your preferred lynch instead? :c

[JaeReed]

Because A) Alisae is my strongest townread and B) Transcend could still be hunting the other team, especially if he's on Cloudie's team as I suspect, because they're now down a member. If I can get him to lynch me a scum over my top TR then trust that he'll be vigged tonight that'll be a better outcome than losing my top TR.

[JaeReed]

I can only hope.

[JaeReed]

Alisae will be all but conftown by tomorrow. Anyone but is a good lynch candidate.

[JaeReed]

What makes you think she's scum rather than badtown especially?

For someone you consider obvtown having to use that as a defense is laughable. I was going to ask you a couple of things but then noticed the first phrase of your sig and got to the conclusion you are a blind follower. Was weird for me that you would be so adamant with so little/poor reasons, so it was shady for me but seems it is your play style so I won't bother with that. Still we do have quite opposite SRs so I'm wary about you.

This is maybe scum btw, I'd add him to the vig pool. I was clearly talking to Transcend about Elena, not Alisae.

My sig has nothing about being a blind follower. It's about the fact that I defend my hard townreads.

This is just shadethrowing. I'd lynch this today too.

[JaeReed]

Except Alisae doesn't make sense as either team and is therefore not scum. So no. I can prove it in the next day phase. Move on.

[JaeReed]

To save Alisae? Sure. I have her at pretty null.

I'm not letting up on where my vote is if it'll end with Alisae getting lynched though.

[JaeReed]

"doesn't make sense as either team" when we only have 1 scum flip and 2 scum teams. yeah ok.

Also your stance on I am willing to lynch everyone but Alissae doesn't help me to believe your words.

yes, well, I can't help you fix your bad play & reads.

[JaeReed]

Alisae won't be lynched today even if I have to fucking claim to prevent it, so no.

Move.The.Fuck.On.

[JaeReed]

I should re read Yoshi I had a tr on him and then him claiming PT cop was like "oh yeah obv town" but I realized that could very likely be scum since we have masons

Uhhhh and a flipped neighborizer???

[JaeReed]

Yeah I'm fine with both Elena and drealmz.

Happy to lynch Transcend. I'll full claim tomorrow.

[JaeReed]

As in next day phase tommorrow.

[JaeReed]

Fine as in I don't think either of you are on a maf team atm.

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

In bed, will get to this later. PV vote on alisae is scummy af, transcend looks a lot better lately. I'll bring up some thing that could support him when I get up and get to my laptop.

[JaeReed]

Trans I need a sec to revisit my new notes and run a theory by frogger with it before I can answer that. My point against Elena isn't that strong but a potential something maybe nothing.

[JaeReed]

Urgh fuck it I'll get up before 7 why not

[JaeReed]

Alisae shit posts for a long while and then votes someone for not shitposting good enough and somehow differentiates between town shitposting and scum shitposting. Thats a bullshit reason to vote someone.

VOTE: Alisae

Here it is. Indigo was replaced by Elena.

@Frogger this is after Alisae did these posts:

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why vote him?

Immediately voting the dude who called my fake mason claim is basicly a cheap and easy way to get an easy justified vote.
And the shitposting doesn't feel like it's coming from town!Gamma so he's most likely trying to hide in it.

I've been trying to work out if it's a potential chainsaw or not given how early in the game it was. I have it down as "potential chainsaw, probably nothing". Thoughts?

[JaeReed]

The thing is while I was reading I agreed with Alisae on Gamma's shitposting being of the "not-quite-right" type as a visceral reaction to his posting. I know a few people jumped on Alisae about that but it was actually a good vote for that point in the gamestate. Especially given he flipped maf.

[JaeReed]

How come if you think I'm scum that I'm pushing my scum read and not someone i avidly townread?

I mean as scum you're not going to tell us you think the person is town. That's my fear here. As scum I think you actually need another mislynch here regardless of what team you're on, though I'm actually so awful with math that I can't say that with any degree of confidence. All I know is in a lot of multiball games I see scum aiming for the beginning of the game to whittle down town then they try to lynch and shoot each other later on when town has next to no chance to win.

My fear is if you're on a scum team you're directing us to Elena because she's town, and I trust in your ability to correctly read something like that. The lack of defending your townreads and hard pushing your scumreads looked more like you were trying to stay alive than win the game for town. Especially the backtrack from being open to being vigged, because you know you're a hard fucker to get lynched regardless of alignment, so town's best chance in that case if you're scum is to have you vigged or crosskilled.

But your back and forth with Frog today has honestly been reading as some of your most genuine content so eh.

[JaeReed]

It still isn't out of the question that Transcend is opposite Elena, and I hated his contradiction earlier that I put in super huge words.

I mean town also frequently contradict themselves, so that's not an especially huge red flag in the end. I had Transcend down as scum with Cloudie, so Elena flipping the same team as Cloud would probably ease up some of my suspicion on him tbh. It's not completely out of the question that he knew Cloud was likely maf and ended up townreading him as a survivalistic thing in order to not get shot but I dunno. A lot of having him on Cloud's team for me boils down to burden of proficiency.

[JaeReed]

@Trans put me down as yes for Elena lynch.

[JaeReed]

Check Vote:

Transcend

Vig Vote:

PeregrineV

Changing my votes here. Don't need a double clear on Alisae, I just needed people to let her survive to tomorrow where I'll clear her myself. Still not super hot on Yoshi but at the very least it doesn't hurt in case he's town to do this.

[JaeReed]

Does anyone not see the huge flaw in transcend's logic?

I think you're reading it wrong. He's asking Ali why he had trust that he was trying to find the other maf team instead of town if Alisae thinks he could still be maf.

[JaeReed]

If we're not hanging Alisae I expect a 100% clear from Jae tomorrow or we're hanging both.

I'm fine with this

pedit: huh...

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Elena

[JaeReed]

I'm ok ending the day here I think.

[JaeReed]

Just keep the vote there. There's no pressure to claim without being at L-1 with intent. My vote only took her to L-2. You're negating too much by unvoting. Keep in mind we have a mason to trust for hammer.

pedit: yeah I doubt vig is stupid enough to do d7 before Yoshi's flip, dw about the silly suggestion Trans

[JaeReed]

You need to bold the check and vig if you want scout to count them.

[JaeReed]

I haven't claimed yet and don't plan to til tomorrow. I will confirm that when I do so tomorrow I can clear Alisae. I'm not even comfortable with how much I've softed this day phase but lynching Alisae is stupid given everything so I would have claimed if it looked absolutely impossible to get the lynch off him otherwise.

Stress about your theories on that tomorrow when I claim please. For now, let's just lynch Elena. If you're that worried you can check me, idc.

[JaeReed]

Do you think Elena's gonna claim on L-3?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Transcend changed my mind

[JaeReed]

MY GOD CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT TRANSCEND IS DOING HERE STOP

ALISAE IS TOWN AND I WILL PROVE IT TOMORROW WHEN I CLAIM

[JaeReed]

Ugh.

I'm starting to doubt myself thinking more around the wagons. Especially Alisae's.

If Ali is town, wouldn't he know that he's the counterwagon to Transcend, or at worst if Transcend is town and Ali is town then there's scum on his wagon? So either

1) why move off transcend onto Elena because it's likely Transcend is scum if Ali is town or
2) If Ali did move off transcend, shouldn't Ali be looking for someone on his own wagon? Elena wasn't one of those people.

Maybe Alisae and Elena are opposite scum to each other and Transcend is actually town. I really don't see a scenario in which Ali is scum and Transcend AND Elena are town.

UNVOTE:

WHY would you do this after everything I've done to shift that wagon. WHY.

Yes, Alisae is fucking lynchbait for this shit. She's.Not.Scum.

[JaeReed]

Yea froggy. I'm town here and i get the feeling you just don't like my posting style / scumhunting techniques.

Buddying attempt.

I have no idea why you're voting with me btw

The foundation of Alisae's scum read on me as far as i remember was him fosing me for voting with Zach who i (formerly) scum read. In 5961, Alisae goes to do the same thing that i did. What he did isn't scummy independently, but him making a big stink about it then doing exactly the same thing looks damning.

Switch gears into moving the Alisae wagon back by throwing some shade back Alisae's way. This is scumposting. He's seeing Frog's paranoia and feeding into it and posturing up for another Alisae lynch. Remember that scum want me full claimed at this point so they know whether or not to shoot me, and they know that an Alisae wagon is the best way to do that.

Truth be told

I'm not exceedingly confident Elena will be a scum flip anymore

I mean there's a good chance due to VCA/Gerry interactions but I actually liked her defense but mostly confbiased through it still.

More posturing and readying to jump back to an Alisae push.

[JaeReed]

Did i ever vote Alisae

Did i ever say let's run up Alisae

I did neither of those

And I'm still happy with my vote on Elena but I'm less confident it ends in a scum flip than i was say yesterday.

No, you did worse. You threw shade without voting. You implied a scumread without explicitly stating it.

Then when called out on it you backtracked with this defense, which is so obviously scum it actually enrages me that you haven't been lynched yet.

[JaeReed]

Bc he's getting clear or whatever and i have no idea why it's going to take a night, but whatever

So then there's no town motivation to shadethrow or posture as though you'll jump on it if it does get run up. What that does is show indirect support for a lynch, in an attempt to make the rest of the players feel like there's a lot of support there and solid reasonings to move back there despite everything. It's slimy as fuck.

The whole point is Transcend was trying to feed Frog's paranoia there hoping he'll hard push it and start up the wagon again despite my claim. He wasn't going to push the mislynch because that would cause heavy blowback but he sure as hell wanted it to happen as evidenced by his posting. His posts there are the definition of manipulative.

I also dislike the whole "why not claim now" spiel instead of just leaving it when I already said I'd claim tomorrow. Like there's obviously reasons I don't want to claim or I would have already.

[JaeReed]

Vote Count 2.21

Transcend

-

[4] Elena Fisher, drealmerz7, JaeReed, Clumsy

Alisae

-

[1] PeregrineV

[L-3]

Elena Fisher

-

[5] Transcend, gerryoat, Zachstralkita, BigYoshiFan, Alisae

BigYoshiFan

-

[1] Jaack

Not Voting

-

kuror0, ConManMick, Fro99er

Yeah Jae is town. My strongest townread outside of the confirmeds, unless this is some really horrible gambit by Jae or Jae/Ali together.

I just don't see how Jae could be a PR (as it appears), Jaack a vig, three masons and Yoshi a town PT Cop. Really lets me believe Yoshi is opposite scum to Cloud.

VOTE: Transcend

VOTE: Transcend
Ok

He's at 6 votes currently, L-2.
He claimed VT earlier.

[JaeReed]

Was i supposed to claim lol

At this point town is gonna win on cross kills alone lol

Vt

[JaeReed]

@Trans <3 I hope you get better soon.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Jaack

GUESS WHO YOUR REAL VIG WAS, BITCHES!!!

[JaeReed]

I claim Cloudkicker and PeregrineV kills.

God I'm so fucking upset over that flip.

[JaeReed]

Now as far as clearing Alisae, it's her early game. When I went through iron's ISO to figure out who I wanted to shoot in combination with the first 30 pages when I replaced in, I noticed she cased Jaack and was the first one to bring up Gamma!scum. I did colour the VCs but I couldn't release them for obvious reasons since I had Jaack down as confscum.

[JaeReed]

Alisae, why are you believe that claim so easily?

Stop being bad. I just got you 3 scum. Cloud, Trans, Jaack. I also got the doc but I was so sure he scumslipped in 6000 because I suck >.<

[JaeReed]

Jae, are you x-shot?

P-edit: Excuse me for not just believing you outright in a game about lying.

2-shot. That's why I wanted to wait til today. Ideally I didn't want to stick my neck out that far for Alisae but I was so certain she was town because of interactions with confscum. Gamma voted Jaack most of D1 so I thought they couldn't be on the same team, and Alisae pushed on both of them in a pretty genuine manner imo. She was my strongest townread out of the unconfirmed. I had to toss up being roleblocked on my last shot vs losing someone who I had as locktown.

[JaeReed]

Also why shoot Peregrine instead of the fake Vig? A possible scum kill over a definite one? I get the CC thing, but... meh.

Because
1) I'm confident enough in my ability to town it up when I'm town.
2) I really hoped Jaack would be crosskilled and save me the effort, since scum early game are trying to cull town.
3) It's a guaranteed scum lynch on a day we might not have gotten one, and usually my night actions aren't shit.

I really thought PV scumslipped knowledge of Jaack being maf by vig hunting there otherwise I would have gone with the shot pool on that.

[JaeReed]

LOOOOL FROGGY MCMAFIA. what a bus by frog on transcend tho. I WAS RIGHT FROG KILLED CLOUD FOR SURE CAUSE HE WAS PUSHING

No, I killed Cloudkicker based on the Gamma posts I quoted yesterday.

[JaeReed]

I'm just gonna wait for jae to say "jk" before I vote him

I hardclaim 2-shot vigilante.

My shots were Cloudkicker and PeregrineV.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Jaack

GUESS WHO YOUR REAL VIG WAS, BITCHES!!!

???????????? LMAO WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SO YESTERDAY. we coulda lynched jaack then

See later: I still had a shot left, didn't want to be roleblocked or forced to use it on Jaack, and I was still hoping the other team would shoot him for me.

[JaeReed]

Hmm, I wonder why.
Maybe it was because you're scumfucks.

I'm you're free to believe that we were scum buddies (we weren't though) but I wasn't sidestepping anything. If I were scum, I had ample opportunity to either bus transcend or swing the lynch to one of the other options (you or elena) and fall back on my hard townread on transcend.

PEdit - Lol of course you just happen to be 2-shot.

PEDIT LET ME POST

I'm actually going to now bring up something from before Jaack's claim, people, that will make you wonder why the fuck you ever pushed ironstove and why the fuck you believed his claim and didn't just powerlynch the scumfuck.

[JaeReed]

Was that vigi shot legit? If not I don't like the fake vigi shot and the fake confirmation that the vigi shot was real.

If I was a vigi and I had 2 bullets and I was in a room with gerry, hitler, and stalin, I would shoot gerry twice.

more votes on iron needed por favor

I already said I'm gonna be on vacation starting tomorrow until Sunday night and I have 0 intention of checking mafia unless I'm bored at night because I'm going snowboarding so it's an utter waste of time to vote my slot if you're trying to pressure me unless you plan to park votes on me for 4 days so you might as well pressure other people and come back to my slot when I return.

If you want to lynch me without giving me a chance to defend myself or claim then that just makes you look bad IDGAF.

I haven't read anything between pg 38-61, I'm checking out and driving back tomorrow morning, will be back tonight and i'll try to find the time to catch up and read up on everything and understand who the hell is egging on this terrible wagon so hard and try to sort out which of the people voting this wagon are bad towns.

In all seriousness, why are you people voting for me? Is it because I was inactive? Did I say or do something scummy? That post about being low-effort town until the herd was thinned? Yea, ok. Real solid analysis there. That's a reasonable excuse to vote someone, but the V/LA announcement followed by me ACTUALLY NOT POSTING ANYTHING SINCE THE ANNOUNCEMENT makes me very skeptical in believing that people who FOS'd me could find NO BETTER SCUM READS THAN ME.

You're really reaching, and I'll find out who you are and I WILL KILL YOU.

There was also a point where ironstove showed interest after hearing that Jaack claimed 2-shot vig btw.

pedit - oh thanks Alibae <3

[JaeReed]

ANYONE THATS TOWN AND FOSES THE CONFIRMED VIG THAT SHOT MAFIA IS BAD. AND I DONT WANNA TRY AND READ THAT PERSON IF THEY CANT TR THE CONFIRMED VIG. BUT AFTER READING THAT HE HAS NO PROGRESSION AT ALL THIS GAME I WAS SHOCKED. SO I ACTUALLY READ HIM. HE HAS NO PROGRESSION AT ALL THIS GAME. THAT SHOULD USUALLY = MAF

Who is the confirmed vig? I know we have a mason claim, but nobody has claimed vig except for that fake vig shot.

[JaeReed]

There's just one more thing bothering me though: Why did Jaack claim 2-shot vig?

I'm torn between lucky guess or him having a 1-shot bulletproof or something and it having been setup spec.

[JaeReed]

So we have Cloudkicker on black team, and Transcend and Frogger on white.

Jaack is confscum, so it's down to wifom on whether we believe his claimed shots or not. If he fakeclaimed his shots then the other team would have known he's not the real vig from the start, since he never claimed any of my shots. I was trying to look for signs of this but evidently I'm bad at it, evidenced by PV's flip. Anyways...

That leaves us with 2 remaining scum in:
ConManMick - mason?
drealmerz7 - cleared by Yoshi
Alisae - town
Zachstralkita - probscum
JaeReed - me
kuror0 - prob shit town
Clumsy - mason
gerryoat - probscum
Elena - Transcend claimed she's 1 shot strongman

pedit: iron pretty much screamed it to the point I was sure I was gonna be N1'ed lol.

[JaeReed]

I understand iron's breadcrumbs exist. I don't have any because I don't breadcrumb.

What I'm saying is Jae did not act like he was vig an knew I was scum at all, either in his claimed nkills or in his play D2.

This is actually a lie though. I'm pretty sure I did my utmost to ignore Jaack and not comment on the vig claim too much yesterday because I didn't want to let on I knew he was scum. It was a really uncomfortable situation, tbh.

[JaeReed]

I want some time before Jaack is hammered btw. Not sure what the vote count is at currently but I want to colour in my VCs from D1 and D2 with the flips and actually make them public now.

[JaeReed]

The Jaack sh1t case:

I felt really uncomfortable about this slot for most of the game. I nullread it just mostly because tone was wierd. Then I figured that him being null read is sorta puts him a good position.

He was mostly pushing Ramcius most of the game. Sure he probably has some good points up to where he votes Pep. If anything to me this seems like jumping on the Pep wagon at the wrong time if we consider Pep to be lynchbait. Plus I'm sorta getting the feeling that he doesn't really scumreads Pep as hard as he scumreads Ramcius in that post. Also later he mentions something about Pep attempting to save his own skin when he should be trying to push Manuel. Ehh, I would agree if Pep was simply better at videa gamez, but I don't. I know Pep a bit more then ywall, I would probably describe him as a newbie. Still getting the swing of things and he doesn't really seem to know how to exactly deal with people who are SRing him yet alone not get SR'd.

I think it's around the time he produces his big readlist he starts to make me feel very uncomfortable. Like if I could put my finger on it, maybe it seemed like he was trying to pocket me in a really indirect fashion? Maybe it was that he was chainsawing me?
After I convince him to get back on Ram, he starts pushing that again. His points on him are kind of strong.
Not to mention if he gets swayed from one of his scumreads to jump on the other he'll show his support for that lynch. I sorta do this too as town, but it seems hypocritical to attack Ram by saying that he doesn't care where his vote goes where Jaack's own vote acts sorta similarly.

That's the case folks!

BTW this makes me certain that Alisae is not on Jaack's team.

[JaeReed]

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay caught up
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

why vote him?

Immediately voting the dude who called my fake mason claim is basicly a cheap and easy way to get an easy justified vote.
And the shitposting doesn't feel like it's coming from town!Gamma so he's most likely trying to hide in it.

This makes me certain that Alisae isn't on Cloudkicker's team.

[JaeReed]

Gamma voteparked Jaack most of D1 til Cloudkicker moved the vote, so my initial reaction is they weren't teamed. Jaack's claimed kill this time suggests he's white scum if true. I'm just not sure how much of that we can take at face value.

Either way I do think Alisae is as close to conftown as VCA + her play can make her with the knowledge that Jaack is scum.

[JaeReed]

And even then, not commenting on it doesn't make much sense. If I were scum, I clearly had a willingness to shoot who town said to shoot - I shot pine, who was in the pool and not a real threat to any scum at that point. Why not try to direct my shot?

I had no need to direct him with the rest of town doing that. I voted for who I was going to vig in that case, because if I got nightkilled I wanted a clear record of where the real vig shot. That was the point of quoting the Gamma posts and asking why he wasn't lynched D1, and voting PeregrineV for the vig pool.

[JaeReed]

VCs. Yes I colored myself. Don't like it? You go remove all scout's formatting in his VCs and color your own, then.

Spoiler:

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Transcend

Not Voting - ConManMick,

Pine

, Alisae,

Jaack

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

,

Manuel87

,

PeregrineV

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree,

ironstone

, kuror0,

Pepchoninga

,

Ramcius

, gerryoat

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

Transcend

,

pepchoninga

Not Voting - ConManMick,

Pine

, Alisae,

Jaack

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

,

Manuel87

,

PeregrineV

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree,

ironstone

, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

Jaack

- [1]

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

Transcend

,

pepchoninga

Not Voting - ConManMick,

Pine

, Alisae,

Jaack

, Indigo,

Manuel87

,

PeregrineV

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree,

ironstone

, kuror0, gerryoat

Transcend

- [1] ConManMick
Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

Jaack

- [1]

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

Transcend

,

pepchoninga

Not Voting -

Pine

, Alisae,

Jaack

, Indigo,

Manuel87

,

PeregrineV

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree,

ironstone

, kuror0, gerryoat

Transcend

- [1] ConManMick
Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

Jaack

- [1]

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

Transcend

,

pepchoninga

,

Jaack

Gamma Emerald

- [2]

Manuel87

, Alisae

Not Voting -

Pine

, Indigo,

PeregrineV

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree,

ironstone

, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [4]

Transcend

,

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

, Alisae

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

Manuel87

ironstove

- [1] ConManMick

Ramcius

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PeregrineV

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

, Alisae

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

Manuel87

ironstove

- [1] ConManMick

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Transcend

Ramcius

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PeregrineV

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

, Alisae

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

ironstove

- [1] ConManMick

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Transcend

,

Manuel87

Ramcius

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

, Alisae

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

ironstove

- [1] ConManMick

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Transcend

,

Manuel87

Ramcius

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [4]

Transcend

,

Manuel87

,

Jaack

, Alisae
gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [3]

Manuel87

,

Jaack

, Alisae
gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [3] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

pepchoninga

,

ironstove

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [4]

Manuel87

,

Jaack

, Alisae,

BigYoshiFan

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

pepchoninga

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

,

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

ironstove

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0, gerryoat, Alisae

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [4] drealmerz7,

Ramcius

, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

pepchoninga

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

ironstove

- [2] gerryoat, Alisae

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

,

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

ironstove

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [3] drealmerz7, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Ramcius

- [3] Alisae,

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

ironstove

Not Voting -

Pine

,

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

Ramcius

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

Alisae - [3] drealmerz7, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Ramcius

- [4] Alisae,

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

,

Pine

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

ironstove

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

Ramcius

ConManMick - [1]

Transcend

,

Pine

, Alisae
Alisae - [3] drealmerz7, Indigo,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Ramcius

- [4]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

ironstove

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

Ramcius

ConManMick - [3]

Transcend

,

Pine

, Alisae
Alisae - [3] drealmerz7, Elena Fisher,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Ramcius

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

Ramcius

,

ironstove

ConManMick - [3]

Transcend

,

Pine

, Alisae
Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Ramcius

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [3] ConManMick,

Manuel87

,

Ramcius

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

, Elena Fisher

ConManMick - [3]

Transcend

,

Pine

, Alisae
Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Gamma Emerald

- [1]

PeregrineV

Ramcius

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

, Elena Fisher,

Ramcius

ConManMick - [4]

Pine

, Alisae,

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Manuel87

- [1] gerryoat

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

, Elena Fisher,

Clumsy

ConManMick - [4]

Pine

, Alisae,

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

BigYoshiFan

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

ironstove

- [2] Elena Fisher, gerryoat

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

,

Clumsy

ConManMick - [4]

Pine

, Alisae,

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

ironstove

- [2] gerryoat,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1] Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

,

Clumsy

ConManMick - [4]

Pine

, Alisae,

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher - [1]

Pepchoninga

ironstove

- [2] gerryoat,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1] Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

,

Clumsy

ConManMick - [4]

Pine

, Alisae,

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher - [1]

Pepchoninga

ironstone

- [2] gerryoat,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1] Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

,

Clumsy

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher - [1]

Pepchoninga

ironstove

- [7] gerryoat,

BigYoshiFan

,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Transcend

,

Pine

, Alisae

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

ConManMick - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher - [1]

Pepchoninga

ironstove

- [7] gerryoat,

BigYoshiFan

,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

, Alisae

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting -

PenguinPower

, Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

ConManMick - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

Elena Fisher - [1]

Pepchoninga

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Clumsy

- [4]

Jaack

,

Fro99er

,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae
gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting - Lemon Tree, kuror0,

ironstove

ConManMick - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Clumsy

- [5]

Jaack

,

Fro99er

,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [2] ConManMick,

Manuel87

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0,

ironstove

ConManMick - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [5]

Jaack

,

Fro99er

,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0,

ironstove

ConManMick - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

ironstove

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [5]

Jaack

,

Fro99er

,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

ironstove

Jaack

- [3]

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae,

Transcend

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [4]

Jaack

,

Fro99er

,

BigYoshiFan

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

ironstove

Jaack

- [3]

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae,

Transcend

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [3]

Jaack

,

BigYoshiFan

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0,

Fro99er

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Pine

- [1]

ironstove

Alisae - [1] drealmerz7

Jaack

- [3]

Gamma Emerald

, Alisae,

Transcend

ironstove

- [4] gerryoat,

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [3]

Jaack

,

BigYoshiFan

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, kuror0,

Fro99er

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7,

ironstove

Jaack

- [3]

Gamma Emerald

,

Transcend

, Alisae

ironstove

- [4]

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [3]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

, kuror0
gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd,

Fro99er

, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [2] drealmerz7, kuror0

Jaack

- [2]

Gamma Emerald

,

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

Fro99er

, Alisae

ironstove

- [4]

Clumsy

, Elena Fisher,

Pine

,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, gerryoat,

ironstove

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [3] drealmerz7, kuror0,

Clumsy

Jaack

- [2]

Gamma Emerald

,

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

Fro99er

, Alisae,

ironstove

ironstove

- [3] Elena Fisher,

Pine

,

BigYoshiFan

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [6]

Fro99er

, Alisae,

ironstove

, drealmerz7, gerryoat,

Clumsy

Cabd - [1]

Transcend

ironstove

- [2] Elena Fisher,

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [1]

Manuel87

Clumsy

- [2]

Jaack

,

Pepchoninga

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd,

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [1]

Gamma Emerald

BigYoshiFan

- [7]

Fro99er

, Alisae,

ironstove

, drealmerz7, gerryoat,

Clumsy

,

Pepchoninga

Cabd - [1]

Transcend

ironstove

- [1]

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd,

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Pine

- [1]

Cloudkicker

Alisae - [1] kuror0

BigYoshiFan

- [7]

Fro99er

, Alisae,

ironstove

, drealmerz7, gerryoat,

Clumsy

,

Pepchoninga

ironstove

- [1]

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [3]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher,

Transcend

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd,

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

BigYoshiFan

- [7]

Fro99er

, Alisae,

ironstove

, drealmerz7, gerryoat,

Pepchoninga

, kuror0

ironstove

- [1]

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [3]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher,

Transcend

Clumsy

- [1]

Jaack

gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting - Cabd,

BigYoshiFan

,

Clumsy

,

Cloudkicker

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [4]

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, gerryoat,

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [4]

ironstove

,

Pepchoninga

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [2]

Cloudkicker

, Alisae

ironstove

- [1]

Pine

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher
gerryoat - [1] ConManMick

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [6]

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, gerryoat,

Transcend

,

Pine

, ConManMick

BigYoshiFan

- [4]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [2]

Cloudkicker

, Alisae

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [6]

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, gerryoat,

Transcend

,

Pine

, ConManMick

BigYoshiFan

- [4]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [2]

Cloudkicker

, Alisae

Pepchoninga

- [2]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [6]

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, gerryoat,

Transcend

,

Pine

, ConManMick

BigYoshiFan

- [4]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7
Fro99er - [1]

Cloudkicker

Pepchoninga

- [3]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher, Alisae

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [4]

Clumsy

,

Transcend

,

Pine

, ConManMick

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [1]

Cloudkicker

Pepchoninga

- [4]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher, Alisae,

Fro99er

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [2]

Clumsy

, ConManMick

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [1]

Cloudkicker

Cabd - [1]

Transcend

Pepchoninga

- [5]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher, Alisae,

Fro99er

,

Pine

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

Alisae - [1] kuror0

Jaack

- [1]

Clumsy

BigYoshiFan

- [3]

ironstove

, Cabd, drealmerz7

Fro99er

- [1]

Cloudkicker

Cabd - [1]

Transcend

Pepchoninga

- [7]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher, Alisae,

Fro99er

,

Pine

, ConManMick,

Jaack

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat

ConManMick - [1]

PeregrineV

BigYoshiFan

- [2]

ironstove

, Cabd

Fro99er

- [2]

Cloudkicker

, kuror0

Pepchoninga

- [10]

Manuel87

, Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

,

Pine

, ConManMick,

Jaack

,

Clumsy

, Alisae, drealmerz7,

Transcend

Clumsy

- [1]

Pepchoninga

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat

Spoiler:

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Transcend

- [2] drealmerz7,

Fro99er

Zachstralkita - [1]

Transcend

gerryoat - [1]

PeregrineV

Not Voting - ConManMick, Alisae, Elena Fisher,

BigYoshiFan

, Zachstralkita,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

, gerryoat

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Transcend

- [3] drealmerz7,

Fro99er

, Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher - [2] gerryoat,

Transcend

gerryoat - [1]

PeregrineV

Not Voting - ConManMick, Alisae,

BigYoshiFan

, Zachstralkita,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

drealmerz7 - [2]

Jaack

, gerryoat

Transcend

- [2] drealmerz7, Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

PeregrineV

- [1] Alisae
gerryoat - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Fro99er

Not Voting - ConManMick,

BigYoshiFan

, Zachstralkita,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

drealmerz7 - [1]

Jaack

Transcend

- [2] drealmerz7, Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

PeregrineV

- [1] Alisae
gerryoat - [2]

PeregrineV

,

Fro99er

Not Voting - ConManMick,

BigYoshiFan

, Zachstralkita,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

, gerryoat

Transcend

- [2] drealmerz7, Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

Fro99er

- [1] Zachstralkita
gerryoat - [5]

PeregrineV

,

Fro99er

, ConManMick, Alisae,

Jaack

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

, gerryoat

Transcend

- [1] Elena Fisher
Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

Fro99er

- [1] Zachstralkita
gerryoat - [5]

Fro99er

, ConManMick, Alisae,

Jaack

, drealmerz7

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

,

JaeReed

, kuror0,

Clumsy

, gerryoat,

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [1] Elena Fisher
Alisae - [2] kuror0,

Clumsy

Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

Fro99er

- [1] Zachstralkita
gerryoat - [4]

Fro99er

, ConManMick,

Jaack

, drealmerz7

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

,

JaeReed

, gerryoat,

PeregrineV

, Alisae

Transcend

- [1] Elena Fisher
Alisae - [2] kuror0,

Clumsy

Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

Fro99er

- [1] Zachstralkita
kuror0 - [1] Alisae
gerryoat - [4]

Fro99er

, ConManMick,

Jaack

, drealmerz7

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

,

JaeReed

, gerryoat,

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [2] Elena Fisher,

JaeReed

Alisae - [2] kuror0,

Clumsy

Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

Fro99er

- [1] Zachstralkita
Zachstralkita - [1]

Fro99er

kuror0 - [1] Alisae
gerryoat - [3] ConManMick,

Jaack

, drealmerz7

Not Voting -

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat,

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [4] Elena Fisher,

JaeReed

,

Fro99er

, Alisae
Alisae - [4] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat
Elena Fisher - [2] Zachstralkita,

Transcend

gerryoat - [3] ConManMick,

Jaack

, drealmerz7

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [6] Elena Fisher,

JaeReed

,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick, drealmerz7
Alisae - [4] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat
Elena Fisher - [2] Zachstralkita,

Transcend

gerryoat - [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick, drealmerz7
Alisae - [5] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat,

Transcend

Elena Fisher - [1] Zachstralkita

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

,

JaeReed

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

Alisae - [5] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat, drealmerz7
Elena Fisher - [1] Zachstralkita

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

,

Transcend

Transcend

- [6] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

, drealmerz7
Alisae - [4] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat
Elena Fisher - [2] Zachstralkita,

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [6] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

, drealmerz7
Alisae - [4] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat
Elena Fisher - [2] Zachstralkita,

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

Alisae - [6] kuror0,

Clumsy

,

BigYoshiFan

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita, drealmerz7
Elena Fisher - [1]

Transcend

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

Alisae - [3]

BigYoshiFan

, Zachstralkita, drealmerz7
Elena Fisher - [2]

Transcend

, gerryoat

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

PeregrineV

,

Clumsy

, kuror0

Transcend

- [6] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick,

JaeReed

, drealmerz7
Alisae - [2]

BigYoshiFan

,

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [3]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Clumsy

, kuror0

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher,

Fro99er

, Alisae, ConManMick, drealmerz7
Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [4]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Clumsy

, kuror0,

JaeReed

Transcend

- [3] Elena Fisher, ConManMick, drealmerz7
Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [5]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Clumsy

, kuror0,

JaeReed

,

Fro99er

Transcend

- [3] Elena Fisher, ConManMick, drealmerz7
Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [5]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

,

JaeReed

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Clumsy

, kuror0,

Fro99er

, Alisae

Transcend

- [5] Elena Fisher, ConManMick, drealmerz7,

Fro99er

,

JaeReed

Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [5]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting -

Clumsy

, kuror0

Transcend

- [4] Elena Fisher, drealmerz7,

JaeReed

,

Clumsy

Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [5]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

, Alisae

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting - kuror0, ConManMick,

Fro99er

Transcend

- [6] Elena Fisher, drealmerz7,

JaeReed

,

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, Alisae
Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [4]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting - kuror0, ConManMick

Transcend

- [6] drealmerz7,

JaeReed

,

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, Alisae, kuroir0
Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [4]

Transcend

, gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting - ConManMick, Elena Fisher

Transcend

- [6] drealmerz7,

JaeReed

,

Clumsy

,

Fro99er

, Alisae, kuror0, Elena Fisher,

Transcend

Alisae - [1]

PeregrineV

Elena Fisher - [3] gerryoat, Zachstralkita,

BigYoshiFan

BigYoshiFan

- [1]

Jaack

Not Voting - ConManMick

[JaeReed]

Jae softs an inno on alisae (alisae could be a buddy idk yet). It should be easy to beat Yoshi in a cc war because people don't really believe the claim (me, among others).

Also worth noting was that I at no point said Alisae was inno. I said I could clear her, and I believe that I have.

Jaack is flailing and grasping at straws in desperation.

[JaeReed]

Actually, wait, why did I say to focus on black may? Get last white maf and it's less deaths in the night. I'm on mobile right now, can someone tell me who is likely the last White?

That depends on whether you believe Jaack's claim on who he shot.

N1 he claimed to shoot Pine, I shot Cloudkicker (white mafia)
N2 he claimed to shoot BYF, I shot PeregrineV

N1 the only other flip was Manuel.
N2 the only other flip was Frogger (white mafia).

N1 claim of shooting Pine means either white mafia knew all along that Jaack was fakeclaiming and black mafia (and it's idiotic to advertise yourself to the other team like that unless you're bp), or Jaack is white mafia.
Black mafia shot Frogger N2, and Jaack claims the BYF shot. Now again, either the remaining white mafia knows for a fact that Jaack is scum now, or he's the remaining white mafia.

It would also make more sense for him to have been coached on what to claim by Frog and Transcend based on setup spec as they're both actually competent players who could pull off a decent spec based on their own team powers.

[JaeReed]

Oh Cloudie was black maf sorry. That changes things a bit. Lemme redo that.

[JaeReed]

Actually, wait, why did I say to focus on black may? Get last white maf and it's less deaths in the night. I'm on mobile right now, can someone tell me who is likely the last White?

That depends on whether you believe Jaack's claim on who he shot.

N1 he claimed to shoot Pine, I shot Cloudkicker (black mafia)
N2 he claimed to shoot BYF, I shot PeregrineV

N1 the only other flip was Manuel.
N2 the only other flip was Frogger (white mafia).

N1 claim of shooting Pine means either black mafia knew all along that Jaack was fakeclaiming and white mafia (and it's idiotic to advertise yourself to the other team like that unless you're bp), or Jaack is black mafia.
Black mafia shot Frogger N2, and Jaack claims the BYF shot. Now again, either the remaining white mafia knows for a fact that Jaack is scum now, or he's the remaining white mafia.

So I'm fairly sure on at least one of these he lied about who he shot. Which makes it wifom city. Kinda sucks.

It would make more sense for him to have been coached on what to claim by Frog and Transcend based on setup spec as they're both actually competent players who could pull off a decent spec based on their own team powers.

[JaeReed]

I think the way Elena is treating the 1v1 she's mafia.

@Clumsy you always want to resolve the 1v1 today. I did some math stuff last night while I trying to work out consequences of shooting wrong assuming that scum always hit town. I'll adjust it in a sec and we can work out the benefit of lynching x team if you like. I still think it's just ridiculously hard to pinpoint who exactly is on what team.

[JaeReed]

JaeReed, I-I have a very improtant question to ask you?

Then just ask it? lol

[JaeReed]

Also, I fucking suck and know better than to assume a scum slip is anything more than wording fuckups and not actually slips :/ In doing so I guaranteed the mason's deaths. You have no idea how sick I felt coloring PV green in those knowing I made the literal worst possible shot for last night.

[JaeReed]

How am I treating this 1v1 Jae lol

Deflecting to try another lynch on someone that is known lynchbait for one.
Not assessing the CC at all or the crumbs or anything for another.

You look like scum uncomfortable with the situation because you know I'm the real vig yet you don't want to bus Jaack.

[JaeReed]

JaeReed, I-I have a very improtant question to ask you?

Then just ask it? lol

/me blushes
WILL YOU BE MY VALENTINE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I really didn't expect this and have no idea if you're serious lmao.

You're supposed to ask this on the day ;p

[JaeReed]

Alisae - pushed on both Jaack and Gamma early D1, seemed ok with a Transcend lynch, and was the counterwagon to Trans w/ him posturing a lot on her, makes me heavily lean not white mafia, and fairly decently not black maf.
Jaack - mafia
Elena Fisher - ???
Zachstralkita - ???
kuror0 - ???
gerryoat - ???

CMM, drealmerz, Alisae I don't want to lynch out of the non 100% clears - I'm reasonably assured these are town (less so on CMM but I'm relying on Clumsy to claim if CMM's not a mason before he eats a bullet)
Jaack confscum
Leaves Elena, Zach, kuror, gerry.

3 deaths last night.
10 people then remain. 2 deaths were town, 1 white mafia.
6/1/2 with Jaack confirmed one of them. Lynch Jaack today for (let's assume black maf) 6/1/1, then another night phase for 2 town kills 4/1/1.

I don't think it matters particularly much, Clumsy. You just need to lynch correctly in the next day phase, and I have a case on someone already that I want to present as soon as the hammer drops on Jaack, since with his flip I might actually be nightkilled as I'll be conftown that has actually thrown my weight around a fair bit since replacing in.

[JaeReed]

How am I treating this 1v1 Jae lol

Deflecting to try another lynch on someone that is known lynchbait for one.
Not assessing the CC at all or the crumbs or anything for another.

You look like scum uncomfortable with the situation because you know I'm the real vig yet you don't want to bus Jaack.

Well if the team was me and Jaack I would 100% bus here since I'm already on everyone's radar and I'd want to get towncred but that's wifom I'm not dealing with the cc cause I'm pretty sure this is black mafia and white mafia should be lynched today to reduce the lynches I already think I have the game won in mafia being zach on black kuro0 on white and the cc on black

If you're town here you're not going to be happy with your reads post-game. Just lynch Jaack. I actually do have a case against you being mafia with his flip, mainly because I think I've solved the game or as close to it as I can get, anyway. Your reactions and complete reluctance to resolve the 1v1 isn't helping with that though and I don't want to shift off potentially correct reads just because you want to have shit reads and play.

[JaeReed]

So lynch in the cc's first.

[JaeReed]

Always lynch in the 1v1.

[JaeReed]

In this situation you should lynch in the 1v1. Just trust me on this. The longer you drag this out the more leeway you're giving this scumfuck to wriggle out of it.

[JaeReed]

what wiggle room would jack give he's locked in a cc there's nothing he can do to change that

The longer this is drawn out the more apathetic people get over it and they stop looking back at the past evidence. That's the wiggle room I'm talking about.

Like I would vote Jaack right now if I was voting in the cc's but I want white mafia not black don't you agree going for white is more important

So why would you think he's not white? I don't think it's kuror. And if you think kuror is the last white mafia and Zach is black, why is your vote on Zach?

This is the shit that makes me suspicious of you. Your words and actions don't add up.

[JaeReed]

Jaack is definitely going to flip either black or white mafia, he has a direct CC.

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8498260

This is a game where scum!Transcend tries to get us out of lynching in direct CC's and tries to steer it towards a mislynch. It would have ended in a scum win because of this if someone hadn't gunsmith checked him that night.

[JaeReed]

Jack is flipping black.

Reasons?

[JaeReed]

Thanks drealmerz <3

[JaeReed]

The end result is still the same for me
VOTE: Kuro
Since you're more likely to not lynch this with me dead I'll try when I'm alive and then you will all vote Zach
Pedit: It's not unless there power can be really hurtful to town and we have no pr's left that can be hurt

Why are you assuming you'll get nightkilled over what's about to become the confirmed 2-shot vig with Jaack's flip, both masons, and drealmerz7, who was cleared by Yoshi?

[JaeReed]

Jack is flipping black.

Reasons?

Read.
What.
I.
Quoted.
Twice.

I've read it. It means nothing to me as to why Jaack couldn't be on white.

That's you speculating that kuror is on white, that's not a reason that Jaack couldn't possibly be on white if kuror is town like I suspect he might be.

[JaeReed]

I have been nothing b ut towny in my eyes and quite frankkly it annoys me that I'm even close to a lynch option but what can you do.

Are you an alt?

[JaeReed]

Are you who I think you might be?

[JaeReed]

mmkay, you're typing less like the person I was reminded of now lol.

[JaeReed]

Probably. I know RC plays on alts to avoid his reputation, which I guess is hiding meta somewhat.

[JaeReed]

I don't see the point personally. If people have a problem with me changing the way I play and aren't willing to look beyond their (bad) use of meta then that's their problem.

[JaeReed]

Yeah might as well just hammer, honestly.

Zach's silence for a day upon saying he was going to catch up before finally trying to shade throw on me is telling. The last time the dude tried to deny my claim he was scum and dayvigged my mason partner. His posting here looks awkward to the nth degree.

[JaeReed]

I mean in that case I might as well have just outed. I didn't want to waste my last bullet on confscum that I knew I could get lynched instead.

The PV shot was terribad because I know better than to lynch/shoot on "hurr durr scumslip" since most of the time it's just a wording fuck up, but I don't think trying to shoot for the other scum was necessarily a bad idea. I just fucked it up in the worst way possible q.q

[JaeReed]

So before Zach's obvscum posting I had this written out to post in twilight since I didn't want the person to unvote. Now I'm not as sure on it but I do still believe it's a tell. I'm spoilering it here, but take it with a grain of salt, obviously. My preference has actually changed to "on this flip lynch the fuck out of Zach". I might be omgus'ing though. After this town should be the driving force behind the lynches I think though.

Spoiler:

gerry case:

Gerry as town is completely uninvolved with games. He hates playing town and loves playing scum:

Look through these ISOs in the night phase and you'll see why he's confscum here.

Town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68870 - VT
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69080 - VT?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69351 - Doctor
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68970 - VT
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=69209 - Town Backup (hydra with MariaR/SoniaNevermind, named Sondam)

Scum:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69960 - maf
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67506 - maf
http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/search.p ... sf=msgonly - maf traitor
https://epicmafia.com/topic/80150?page=2&_pjax=%23posts - maf

All that said, there is one outlier that i can think of off the top of my head. He was a treestump with no reveal upon flip and roleplaying as Komaeda the whole game:
http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/search.p ... r=gerryoat

I don't believe this is another outlier game. His defense was that it's multiball, but if you go back to his early game posting there was still more there before he "knew" it was mb (and no I don't believe that was a townslip, and Transcend didn't either, I think, he was likely buddying him to not get shot from the other team). You'll also note in one of those mafia games (Dream mafia) he defended his meta against me by saying it was maria's game so he was actually trying. Sounds similar to his defense that it's multiball so he's actually trying because it's new.

There's also the matter of his hard tr'ing Transcend (not sure if he hard tr Cloudkicker but I'll probably want to check this for follow-up if I live through the night) as he has experience with both of them from epicmafia and has played a decent amount of games with them here too. It's not impossible to misread your friends that badly as town but it's a little less likely imo.

After a gerry lynch you guys will probably have this in the bag. I'd personally be looking between Zach and Elena, with a leaning towards Zach. I'd probably want to look over 6287 if gerry is black scum, if he's white there'd be no need obviously, as anything more than 3 scum on each team is horribly unbalanced and a guaranteed town loss, and with mastin as a reviewer it wouldn't have gotten past review.

[JaeReed]

Yeah might as well just hammer, honestly.

Zach's silence for a day upon saying he was going to catch up before finally trying to shade throw on me is telling. The last time the dude tried to deny my claim he was scum and dayvigged my mason partner. His posting here looks awkward to the nth degree.

It's bad that you use that as a defense in a completely unrelated game.


Oh, it's because the circumstances are coincidentally the same.


Oh, they aren't.


That was bad.

Definitely lynch this tomorrow.