Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir (Fin)

[Pine]

What in the actual fuck, Sonia.

Okay, I officially have no idea why there was no kill N4.

I'm not sure what the right play is here. Tywin may still be the right move, but I really don't like the way Elbirn has been behaving lately, either.

[Elbirn]

I was mason hunting.

Whining about power is more scum indicative than setup spec. Roleblocker is almost straight negative utility.

So, do you believe scum no killed? Why would scum!Pine out himself as a roleblocker with less than one lynch left?

Oh. "Whining". I'm whining, guys. Which is a scum tell. Just like when sonia did it. Who was town. It's also not setup spec to note that there's too many power roles on the table and that there's an overlap in utility between bodyguard and roleblocker. It's just whining. I'm whining. My bad.

[Elbirn]

Scum-Pine no killed because it worked. He got sonia guarantee mislynched for it which was the same as getting 2 kills in a row. And he avoids suspicion for it, apparently, because "lol why would scum do that"

[Elbirn]

What in the actual fuck, Sonia.

Okay, I officially have no idea why there was no kill N4.

I'm not sure what the right play is here. Tywin may still be the right move, but I really don't like the way Elbirn has been behaving lately, either.

No shit you don't, I'm the only one who's on your ass.

[Pine]

Scum-Pine no killed because it worked. He got sonia guarantee mislynched for it which was the same as getting 2 kills in a row. And he avoids suspicion for it, apparently, because "lol why would scum do that"

That's not actually how it works. Prior to the no kill, two mislynches were required. After it, three were needed. Your logic isn't logic.

[Elbirn]

But you got a free mislynch out of it, because who in their right mind wasn't going to lynch the person who was roleblocked the night of a nk.

It spent a town lynch on someone who otherwise was almost certainly not going to be lynched. Then you went from sonia not being a good target to titus hammering her despite hard town reading her because fuck this game apparently.

So that's exactly how that works and my logic is logic.

[Pine]

It wasn't a free mislynch. Consider, if I'm scum, and I had made the decision you're referring to, I'd have willingly extended the game while also committed to making a claim that would mark me as a risky LYLO candidate.

If not for the no-kill, we'd be in LYLO right now. We aren't, because scum chose to no-kill. I don't know why they did that, but it was a stupid decision.

[Titus]

But you got a free mislynch out of it,

because who in their right mind wasn't going to lynch the person who was roleblocked the night of a nk.

It spent a town lynch on someone who otherwise was almost certainly not going to be lynched. Then you went from sonia not being a good target to titus hammering her despite hard town reading her because fuck this game apparently.

So that's exactly how that works and my logic is logic.

The bolded is the only reason for a scum no kill yesterday. That means town has a roleblocker and scum knew it. Thus, we are not lynching Pine no matter how stubborn headed he was yesterday that he had a guilty on Sonia.

Move on. Pick someone else Elbrin.

[Aj The Epic]

VOTE: Elbrin

Pine does your role just say RB in title, or 3x RB? Because what the actual fuck was that gambit anyways.

[Elbirn]

But you got a free mislynch out of it,

because who in their right mind wasn't going to lynch the person who was roleblocked the night of a nk.

It spent a town lynch on someone who otherwise was almost certainly not going to be lynched. Then you went from sonia not being a good target to titus hammering her despite hard town reading her because fuck this game apparently.

So that's exactly how that works and my logic is logic.

The bolded is the only reason for a scum no kill yesterday. That means town has a roleblocker and scum knew it. Thus, we are not lynching Pine no matter how stubborn headed he was yesterday that he had a guilty on Sonia.

Move on. Pick someone else Elbrin.

Except it was a fakeclaim? I'm saying that when you claim what amounts to a guilty people will follow it.

I don't think scum has a rolecop when they already have a motion detector for sussing out power roles. I don't think town has a roleblocker when we already have a bodyguard (overlap in utility being to stop kills) and all the other negative utility aspects of our roles (gunsmith gets false readings on the vig and the traitor, our mason was a bodyguard)

[Pine]

Negative utility roles is what balances all the Town power.

You're actually arguing against your case.

[Titus]

Elbrin, either explain why scum no kill without a roleblocker or pick someone else.

[Elbirn]

Elbrin, either explain why scum no kill without a roleblocker or pick someone else.

Because scum is pine who fake claimed roleblocker

How are you this fucking dense.

[Elbirn]

Apologies for the delay.

ssbm_Kyouko has been killed. He was a Townie.

Alisae has been killed. He was a Town Vigilante.

Day 4 can start, dead thread access will happen later.

Please hold, the mod is a stupid idiot.

Per list mod, our solution is to let the flips I posted stand. There was a mod error causing them to be incorrect, but this seems to be the fairest solution. My apologies to those affected and the game in general.

This happened Night 3. Pine claimed to have blocked tywin that night.

I see nothing else that could have caused these flips to be incorrect other than a block not going through. There's no doctor, there's no redirector/bus driver (those are non-normal roles, correct?), and I really, really don't believe that Cephrir just flat out flipped a completely wrong person for no reason. There was a role he didn't factor in. There's no way Alisae said "I kill player x" and Cephrir said "alisae kills player y, got it."

So there is a role that was supposed to stop a kill.

If pine is a town roleblocker who blocked tywin: why doesn't he see what happened, connect the dots, and claim day 4 so we turbo lynch Tywin. This info would have effectively been a guilty. But he doesn't out it. Even now he should have all this in mind and be gunning for tywin but he's not because his brain is fake.

If pine is a scum roleblocker: he blocked alisae the vig when he saw her target pool had nero in it. It wasn't the end of the world for scum as alisae's target wound up being town, so the ruling could stand, and Pine had nothing to complain about. He whistles and twiddles his thumbs and all is well for him.

I'm not questioning pine being a rb, and I haven't been clear about that. I'm saying he's a scum roleblocker.

[Pine]

Why in the fuck would I no kill, then go out on a limb to fake a guilty.

[Titus]

So, to be clear Elbrin, your pool is Elbrin or Tywin?

[Pine]

So, to be clear Elbrin, your pool is Elbrin or Tywin?

Was that at me? Because it doesn't make sense at Elbirn.

And more or less, yes. You're confTown, and between AJ and Elbirn, I'm less comfortable with the latter. Tywin is really the more likely scumfuck, though.

[Pine]

To whit,
VOTE: Tywin

[Aj The Epic]

What is the title of your role?

[Titus]

I was asking Elbrin for his scumpool

Under his theory, only you or Tywin could be scum. If town!Pine, then scum!Tywin and dumb Pine. If scum Pine, then scum Pine.

[Aj The Epic]

Well ofc only pine/Tywin can be scum for Elbrin. But it doesn't really solve shit.

Especially because Pine/Tywin couldn't be more different in what happens this game.

[Titus]

And what is your theory?

[Elbirn]

I was asking Elbrin for his scumpool

Under his theory, only you or Tywin could be scum. If town!Pine, then scum!Tywin and dumb Pine. If scum Pine, then scum Pine.

This, yeah. I guess pine could be dumb but I've thought higher of his play than that so far and I'd think that if he blocked someone, and then a mod error announced that someone died who shouldn't have, that he'd figure it out realquik and make tywin dead.

[Titus]

I was asking Elbrin for his scumpool

Under his theory, only you or Tywin could be scum. If town!Pine, then scum!Tywin and dumb Pine. If scum Pine, then scum Pine.

This, yeah. I guess pine could be dumb but I've thought higher of his play than that so far and I'd think that if he blocked someone, and then a mod error announced that someone died who shouldn't have, that he'd figure it out realquik and make tywin dead.

Pine, your response to this?

[Aj The Epic]

And what is your theory?

That his theory, which requires A.) potential roleblocker and scum Rolecop OR B.) lying scum RB and VT elsewise is heavily just playing a card of 'let's lynch both'. Or, in other words, his theory isn't in any effect a theory, it just plays both sides of the possible coin.