In post 1483, Shaziro wrote: In post 44, Accountant wrote:It's an important distinction. I, as a human, may be imperfect. My ideals are not.
Accountant, admitting that they are not their ideals. Funny how their story changes isn't it?
Not quite. There's a couple of things worth noting here:
- You are falling for what I thought was an obvious trap. If you were at all reading what they said(and correct me if I'm wrong, Accountant), they have made it clear that they doesn't think ideals are anybody's, but rather a global concept. So yes, they are admitting that they are not
their
ideals. There is no hypocrisy yet and the story hasn't changed, you just were never listening clearly enough to see what they were saying.
- You can "know" things and make a choice to not follow through with them, and it has happened in the world many times in the past. Saying "hypocrisy" over and over again will accomplish very little, as they've already passed that barrier to not follow through to begin with. On top of that, you are being very generic about it and nitpicking at the same time. Is that not a contradiction in itself?
- There isn't a problem with someone admitting that they are flawed, that is a sign of humbleness and potential. There is more than one problem with someone else trying to use that against them. A villain wants everybody to be weaker than them, a hero wants to be as strong as they possibly can. There is a clear difference in your positions here.
- Sesq has failed to analyze the case in which beliefs can be said to determine truth if you are 100% sure of them. The gimmick is simply that you cannot believe them for sure unless they were the truth and you knew it without a doubt. Once again, that is what I would call an obvious trap that you have fell into. Putting your entire weight forward the way Accountant is doing can only ever make you stronger
if this is the case
, as that is the position you would be in
if
you were at the peak of this scenario.
- Sesq and company, if you're going to indulge into a scenario in which any truth exists at all, you are already signing a contract which says that whether or not any person understands what these truths are(including yourself), they will continue to exist unscathed. Saying "I'm supposed to accept it even if I don't see it" is completely useless, and it has a chance of opening you up to the weakness "I'm not really going to search for it and use my inaction as an excuse not to progress". You could have spent that time opening up scenarios and analyzing them, but you chose to put your overvalue your imperfect ideas(unless you plan on claiming you are all knowing) instead. Putting so much value in what you see is a fatal mistake, and putting so much value in what you
don't
see is an equally fatal mistake.
- There is nothing wrong with creating an image of perfection to look up to and work towards, and if anything is it only beneficial. I am extremely disappointed that everyone here is trying to fight against that.
That being said, I'm not a big fan of the whole Accountant theory. It has some obvious weaknesses, the most obvious one being that it doesn't acknowledge that you cannot force someone to think or understand things and yet attempts to push for certain courses of actions which intend to do so. If there is a contradiction, it's "I acknowledge your full potential, but won't let you use your full potential".
