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Depends if the utopia is post-scarcity technologically, or not.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Balance requires equal positive and negative forces. Evil is definitively a negative force, good is definitively a positive force.In post 1697, Accountant wrote:
That is incorrect.In post 1695, Shaziro wrote:For true balance, you have to have good and bad. Utopia is unbalanced. Utopia is not virtuous. Utopia is incorrect.-
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That is not what balance is about. Balance is about symmetry, as I outlined earlier.In post 1701, Shaziro wrote:
Balance requires equal positive and negative forces. Evil is definitively a negative force, good is definitively a positive force.In post 1697, Accountant wrote:
That is incorrect.In post 1695, Shaziro wrote:For true balance, you have to have good and bad. Utopia is unbalanced. Utopia is not virtuous. Utopia is incorrect.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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And the symmetry between good and evil would be ignored. Above and below, up and down, good and bad. Without Evil, there is no balance. I'm sure you're going to decide to just say "no that's not true because I said so", but I also know that you've probably never had somebody actually question your beliefs deeply enough to get to this point because most people probably laugh at you, so this is probably a bit jarring. Hope it doesn't change how you think or it's apparently killing you or something.-
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Will "value" be quantified?Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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The Utopia is a state of societal and moral harmony, and therefore, it may occur in both pre and post scarcity states of technological development.In post 1705, Shaziro wrote:Also, it's interesting that Accountant claims to live in Utopia, and yet they don't know what it is like. They can't even answer if it is pre or post scarcity.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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There certainly is beautiful symmetry there. Lots of good, none of evil. Isn't it beautifully balanced when this occurs? After all, the +good is counterbalanced by -evil(+ is counterbalanced by - and good is counterbalanced by evil). It is you who have failed to see the true extent of conceptual balance that is required for Utopia.In post 1703, Shaziro wrote:And the symmetry between good and evil would be ignored. Above and below, up and down, good and bad. Without Evil, there is no balance. I'm sure you're going to decide to just say "no that's not true because I said so", but I also know that you've probably never had somebody actually question your beliefs deeply enough to get to this point because most people probably laugh at you, so this is probably a bit jarring. Hope it doesn't change how you think or it's apparently killing you or something.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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doubleplusungoodAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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Yes, good and evil are balanced.
+Good is balanced by -Evil
Do you not understand? Even a toddler can see oppositesThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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No, I am saying that there is NO evil in utopia. It would be unbalanced if there was evil(which creates even more evil).In post 1711, Shaziro wrote:So you are saying that there is evil in Utopia?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Mhm!In post 1713, Annadog40 wrote:And good creates more good.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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In post 1712, Accountant wrote:
No, I am saying that there is NO evil in utopia. It would be unbalanced if there was evil(which creates even more evil).In post 1711, Shaziro wrote:So you are saying that there is evil in Utopia?Balance is a 0 state. Good is a positive, evil is a negative. Therefore, with only good and no evil, your fantasy world is in a positive state, not a balanced state.
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If Balanced then righteous and If not Balanced then not Righteous.In post 1682, Accountant wrote:
For instance, being balanced is morally righteous, and being unbalanced is not morally righteous. Attacking another person for no reason is morally wrong. Order should be maintained. So on and so forth.In post 1680, Annadog40 wrote:Then tell them your truths.
truth table here:
a b | (a -> b) & (-a -> -b)
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0 0 | 1 1 1 1 1
0 1 | 1 0 1 0 0
1 0 | 0 0 0 1 1
1 1 | 1 1 0 1 0
So if b is true and a is false, then doesn't work. And if A is true and B is false it also doesn't work.
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Balance is not a 0 state. Balance is, as I have said, a symmetrical state.In post 1715, Shaziro wrote:Balance is a 0 state. Good is a positive, evil is a negative. Therefore, with only good and no evil, your fantasy world is in a positive state, not a balanced state.
+ balances -
Good balances Evil
+Good balances -Evil
@CoolDoG: the problem is that logic is inferior to the correct path, so mucking about with truth tables can't be valid.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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You literally have to kill logic to justify your beliefsIn post 1717, Accountant wrote:
Balance is not a 0 state. Balance is, as I have said, a symmetrical state.In post 1715, Shaziro wrote:Balance is a 0 state. Good is a positive, evil is a negative. Therefore, with only good and no evil, your fantasy world is in a positive state, not a balanced state.
+ balances -
Good balances Evil
+Good balances -Evil
@CoolDoG: the problem is that logic is inferior to the correct path, so mucking about with truth tables can't be valid.
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More good does not balance less evil. That's not how anything works. Again, your definition of balance is entirely off, and if you're going to use words you have to go with the socially accepted definition. Because that's how words work. If you want to make up your own word for whatever the fuck you're talking about, feel free.-
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Again with the assertions without evidence.In post 1719, Shaziro wrote:More good does not balance less evil. That's not how anything worksThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Three pluses balance out three minuses
The 1s are neutral and so work out to balance regardless
What you fail to perceive is looking at each number as +1 or -1 rather than two components, a plus and a minus, along with the number it modifies.
Just like +1 and -1 balance due to the 1s being neutral, +good and -evil balance due to the good and evil balancing each other out(thus having the same effect as a neutral number). Note that a society that has -good and +evil is balanced too, but the balance introduces good so the good is no longer -, and then it becomes unbalanced, so such a society is inherently unstable while adding more good doesb't change the + symbol of +good so my society is stable and safe.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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