Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 3.04

Titus [2] Nero Cain, Sircakez
Nero Cain [1] Titus
Aj the Epic [1] BBMolla
Mastina [1] PeregrineV
BBmolla [1] Mastina
zefiend [2] Infinity 324, Heartless


Not Voting - [4] zefiend, TheWayItEnds, Drunken Piper, Aj the Epic,

With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 To Lynch.

Rogue Leader Vote:

Infinity 324 (1) Aj The Epic
Drunken Piper (2) Infinity 324, Sircakez

Mod Notes - May the flavor be with you.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2017-02-13 05:26:20)!

[Nero Cain]

you think that molla scum claimed to be vanillaized by pine scum for town cred.

and mastin went, fuck your towncred im bussing you too.

I'm still not seeing how that's impossible. Do you think Mastin wouldn't bus/distance from a scum buddy or something?

[Infinity 324]

What's that supposed to mean

[TheWayItEnds]

2 scum buddies.

on day 3.

[Infinity 324]

Like you haven't even voted anyone. Neither have a lot of people tbh

[TheWayItEnds]

What's that supposed to mean

its meant to convey a sense of boredom or disinterest in your post.

[PeregrineV]

With aj, I don't like how he talked about being a better scumhunter on later days but hasn't really done any of that, instead he's largely defended himself and posted fluff today. I also didn't like his reaction to the heartless vote.

As an objective veiwpoint, he has been posting his reads and how he reached them.

As for fluff, you sound like Pine:

Right now I do have a couple questions as I'm confused on the purposes of some people's actions.

First one is about the RVS stage and SirCakez, I was quite puzzled when Infinity said he didn't like the wagon forming on Cakez and then Cakez voted Infinity soon after. Question is mainly for Sir because I don't see what would make him vote Infinity after saying that.

The next one is what AJ thought was overblown when he said it in post 48, the follow up question is after Infinity asked him what AJ's thoughts about it was, is why he never continued his questioning of Infinity?

Also if I'm correct in the terminology, his posts are fluffy?

I know it's the RVS stage and it's hard to pick stuff out, I just don't know why an actual opinion hasn't been formulated from that slot in regards to anything useful.

Also, Pine is trying to set him up to be the next lynch:

Alban, whats your opinion on the cakez wagon and do you think AJ is the better lynch or no?

His reaction to the Heartless vote seems normal, since he's townreading the slot (509, 939).

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With aero, it's partly that he caught up and then disappeared, partly zefiend's catchup which I find very scummy, and partly trusting mastin.

He was replaced, so there is that.
I totally think Mastina is scum.
Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

[ɀefiend]

I feel that mastina's defense against his concerns (re: the timeline of game events, and the motivations behind Pine and mastina's actions) was legitimate.

I think Mastina's timeline jazz is just fucking strongly worded bullshit but if you actually read it then it makes no sense. For all intents and purposes we'll assume Mastina is scum in this post. Like Pine had a role that publicly outs his action. Both him and Mastina would know this. Her main argument here is that scum wouldn't know who was getting into the crew, however, this totally ignores that Heartless

DID

state who she wanted in the crew. Why does she gloss over that? Also, from what I understand, Pine joined late so its possible that scum used their action once it was confirmed there was no scum in the crew.

So explain to me why I should just accept that Mastina is town and their history let her scum read Pine. When A.) it makes sense to bus a player that will eventually go down. B.) She was strong arming said lynch with little to no reason. Why couldn't she have just said "oh this post and this post and this post gives me bad vibes." As long winded as she is she could have done so and I don't think she ever did wich I think is sketchy as fuck.

The only problem I have with your logic is when you say Pine "will eventually go down." I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

[Nero Cain]

*shrugz*

Pine would lose any town cred once he used his ability. I think Molla claiming is WIFOM. Like maybe if Infinity flips scum I might be willing to believe that Molla is telling the truth 'cause he has this really odd stance that Molla really was vanillaized when, if its a Pine/Molla team he wouldn't vanillaize his own buddy so is Infinity scum here and knows that Molla is telling the truth or what...idk. You should sheep me on Titus.

[Nero Cain]

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

[Infinity 324]

With aj, I don't like how he talked about being a better scumhunter on later days but hasn't really done any of that, instead he's largely defended himself and posted fluff today. I also didn't like his reaction to the heartless vote.

As an objective veiwpoint, he has been posting his reads and how he reached them.

I mean, not very many of them.

As for fluff, you sound like Pine

Gin mentioned this once without a push and that's it, there's no reason why that couldn't be shade on a buddy.

Also, Pine is trying to set him up to be the next lynch:

Alban, whats your opinion on the cakez wagon and do you think AJ is the better lynch or no?

Given that I think cakez is most likely town atm, this is not very convincing. I'm not sure about the context, but I think it's definitely plausible that scum would suggest their buddy as a possible wagon.

With aero, it's partly that he caught up and then disappeared, partly zefiend's catchup which I find very scummy, and partly trusting mastin.

He was replaced, so there is that.
I totally think Mastina is scum.
Aero's Pine interactions don't look like scum with scum. Aero should be neutral or hostile, not questioning or friendly. (1075-1076-1118-1119)

Mastin is town imo, also I could definitely see those interactions being distancing.

[Infinity 324]

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

This is so scum

[Infinity 324]

he has this really odd stance that Molla really was vanillaized when, if its a Pine/Molla team he wouldn't vanillaize his own buddy

Of course not, but holding a vanillize shot is a huge drawback.

[ɀefiend]

@Nero
Interesting. You know, from an outsider perspective, the whole You (Nero)-Titus-Infinity triangle is perplexing. You keep hinting at lynching or flipping Infinity or possibly even that he's scum. You do know that that's Titus's top push?

Or is Infinity more like a "wait til more flips to reassess" type of lynch?

[ɀefiend]

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

You have stated that I'm scum three times now, with absolutely zero reasoning.

Consider this post me formally calling out your shade-tossing.
This is so scum

[Infinity 324]

Nero knows I'm town he just disagrees with me on reads

[ɀefiend]

Whoops posting on mobile is hard sometimes.

You have stated that I'm scum three times now, with absolutely zero reasoning.

Consider this post me formally calling out your shade-tossing.

[Nero Cain]

Or is Infinity more like a "wait til more flips to reassess" type of lynch?

Titus and Mastin are scum and he's town reading them both so he's either really bad town or scum. Why should I not consider an Infinity lynch when he's defending scum?

[Infinity 324]

with absolutely zero reasoning.

That post was a bunch of empty analysis and busy questions

The question directed at cakez also feels quite fake

If you want me to elaborate say so (I'll probably do so tomorrow anyway). But don't say stuff that's not true

[Nero Cain]

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

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[Aj The Epic]

I'm going to just full on claim JailKeeper right here. Character name Mon Mothma. I realize it's not the most productive case but I've too heavily hinted PR the last day to leave you hanging without a continuation to this and especially with infinity's pushing on why I'm interested in Rogue Crew mechanics, I'd like to just come clean with that. My wondering is if I could JK the Rogue leader and have him still distribute abilities. Fire never got back to me, which is making this kinda complicated. My two actions have been JK cakez both nights.

But also off of this I'm not completely confident with Molla's claim in any sense of the word since I am objectively more powerful than him and overlap his role heavily. But I don't know enough about setup to know if this is possible, which is part of my guiding reasons for claiming. Also, me being targeted as a semi-protect or blocker would probably help the town with some random WIFOM issues. I agree it's some really strange fucking gambit to not vanillize anyone (or have hit a VT and maybe saw no reaction...?) but as stated, I'm not entirely comfortable with his claim.

So I'm in agreement with Mastina's assessment with Pine (no other scum were in Rogue Crew day 1) because it makes little to no sense for Pine to use that ability that day. If I'm not mistaken, the remaining Rogue Crew from D1 are Infinity, Heartless, Drunken Piper. Not really hard to townread any of them anyways. This is reinforced by Pine's actions around infinity early D1 (pages 2-3 ish) that strongly suggest that person is town [basis for my crew leader vote].

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

See this is kinda puzzling because the OPTIMAL PLAY Pine had was CLAIMING (similar to Nacho and his double voter). Getting the Crew's permission to join probably wouldn't have been insanely difficult and then his role is seen as negative but his actions as pro-town.

As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.

This is so scum

Walk me through this. Reading anything with people not completely caught up is a pain in the ass and I want to say Aeroslot is scum (from earlier, helps explain why no counterwagons early) but unless you're referring to generic waffling mastin!read then I'm blind to the issue.

[Infinity 324]

Why should I not consider an Infinity lynch when he's defending scum?

I'm sorry, but this is such a shitty mentality.

"my reads are always right and people who disagree with them are suspicious"

Take a step back and look at how you're playing please, then maybe we can have some real interactions and discussions.

(this, by the way, is why I didn't vote you for rogue leader d1)

[PeregrineV]

Scum is in {AJ, aero, pere, TWIE, molla}

Mastin convinced me that molla is possible but not that's it's likely.

Have to ISO cakez but I doubt he's in there.

You're a townread because of Pine's treatment of you, not because your reads are right.

Sell me on this, please.
I wasn't seeing it while reading.

412, Pine responds to request (from Drunken to Cakez) for case with "ISO infinity", when Pine has pretty much stated "no read"- this is treating infinity like he is scummy
550- Asking infinity to get info for him- treating infinity like town
1210, 1218- Pine still treating Infinity like he is town

It all looks like Pine was trying to buddy infinity but keep him in a null pile for a future mislynch.

[ɀefiend]

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

Yeah, the role sounds bad.

You're saying you think Pine and mastina would have planned the whole thing out from the time she was "scum-reading" him?

It's a hard pill for me to swallow.

[ɀefiend]

I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.

So Pine has a role where he joins the crew when he wasn't invited. Like why would he not instantly become a leading hotbed of activity?

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-_- stop doing this, I'm on mobile right now and eventually there will come a time where I can't reply right away.