Code Geass Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Vecna]

I do like the sound of that

[Vecna]

1. I guarantee that whenever I use

Blue Violet (#8A2BE2)

as my color, there is no lie in that sentence. There are no lies in game opening posts or pm's.

What color did the mod use to confirm Vecna?

There are no lies in pm's davesaz

Redirection is a thing, but im not willing to believe in the most inlikely of chained events.

[Vecna]

The thing is....Leonshade did go into his nightmare.

So unless he's the emperor doing the killing for the scum faction and he got them through those means...

At any rate, I think were fine to lynch Mcmenno now.

If Mcmenno has a flip that can save someone from Suzaku's attack take a strong good look at Yume.

If Mcmenno has a redirect ability, thread carefully and think what it can mean.

If McMenno doesnt flip as V.V Priority-hang Thinkbig tomorrow (this seems extremely unlikely to me though)

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Barring all these events, hang davesaz tomorrow.

If Davesaz flips emperor and the game isnt over, hang Thinkbig the day after. Especially if Ohgi was V.V.s fakeclaim.

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As for culted; He's most likely town, but has a small chance to be a very well playing scum. His flavour could also make sense as scum, but he claimed his flavour to me in our PT rather early in the game. His claimed flavour and abilities match perfectly.

He's the knight of 1 btw. If the game isnt over after lynching the emperor, VV and potentially thinkbig, he should probably be the 4th lynch (sorry culted). But this is probably too far ahead for me to speculate.

[Vecna]

Thinkbig, if you really do have a 1-shot jailer ability - please use it on YUME tonight.

Culted I have another interesting plan to discuss in our PT.

[Vecna]

My full Role-claim results for full disclosure:

Night 1: Target Malpascp. Malpas was in his knightmare, so It only showed me the results of his raged ability and the ability to destroy Knightmares and the extra side effect that im not going to spoil.

Night 2: Target Davesaz. Showed that davesaz ONLY had a normal Noble ability. Nothing else, and certainly no roleblock for killing abilities as he's claiming (this is probably in his fake-claim since it would make sense for euphy to have it)

Night 3: Target Culted. Showed that he wasnt lying to me in our PT. He made the noble hood and made painbringer and KeyRB nobles. He's a noble, and He watches the person he's loyal to.

Night 4: Target McMenno. Showed that he has one ability called IMMORTAL. He cannot die at night.

Notice that my rolecop doesnt show which knightmares someone has or their geass abilities.

[Vecna]

Oh yeah I meant to say, Malpascp if Mcmenno flips with OHGI as his fake-claim please use your knightmare ability on Thinkbig

[Vecna]

My role pm states I can ask you to "confirm" me though.

If youre saying what you did does not confirm me, than my role pm does seem to not be completely truthful

Either way, as I said before I am CC. Everyone with a bit of common sense knows what just happened.

Caught scum gonna scum

[Vecna]

List of claims/flips:

1. BTD6_maker - Lloyd, weird robot builder dude
2. malpascp - Kallen
3. davesaz - (fakeclaimed as) Euphemia li britannia - suspected to be Charles the emperor
4. Crystalline Dagger (Gamma Emerald + Secret Agent Jin) - Died as ssbm,s flavour - Marianne vi britannia
5. McMenno - Claimed ohgi, likely to flip as V.V. li Britannia
6. Reasonably Rational - Died as Cornelia
7. Aristophanes - Died as Rolo
8. ThinkBig - Too scummy to claim properly? Claimed Ohgi
9. ssbm_Kyouko - Liked chemistry too much and had an oopsy
10. Not Chara AlpacaAlpaca - Nunnally
11. DiamondSentinel - Rakshata
12. keyXrb (keyenpeydee + rb) - Lelouch
13. Alisae - Suzaku
14. Creature - Orange boy Gottfried
15. culted - Prod dodger extreme Knight of 1
16. PainBringer - Milly A.
17. Vecna - C.C.
18. randomidget. Spygirl
19. Yume - Schneizel claimed (or MAYBE emperor charles if its not Davesaz)
20. KainTepes - Mindreader boy

The weird thing about all of this is....It makes little sense for spy-girl to be a character if Ohgi isnt really in the game.

[Vecna]

Thinkbig, I want your real flavourclaim and names of your abilities.

Something here isnt right, and if theres still 4 scum alive this lynch can loose us the game if I was redirected.

[Vecna]

We still have 10 days left, and I want people to actually

unvote for now please.

Were not going to hammer until this is resolved.

[Vecna]

I doubt the rapid replacement was bastard. ThinkBig may have been in a replacement queue for this game.

For the record, I have been wanting to join this game for a while and saw an opportunity in the replacement request and took it. I replace in to most of the games that I play and check the replacement request thread quite often. My replacement should not be considered AI and is probably not part of the bastard mechanics.

Will be back later tonight.

What replacement request?

I went to the queue and there was no such thing. You werent even signed up in the code geass thread as a replacement.

How did you know that a replacement was needed? Where did they get you from?


This shit is really feeding into my suspicious nature.

[Vecna]

WP scum if this was some geass ability to turn Leonshade into this.

[Vecna]

How do you feel about this situation creature. If Mcmenno was scum he would use his fake-claim to claim surely.

But now Thinkbig is directly CC'ing MCmenno's claim.

What do you make of this?

Do you buy his claim that he has a one-shot watcher and a one-shot jailkeeper ability?

Because he conveniently decided to leave out the details about the Knightmare that he has.

[Vecna]

And those two one-shot abilities do not fit within this setup, or with his flavour claim at all.


The only thing holding me back in pushing everyone to lynch him might be that he is put under a Geass by the emperor, that mightve erased his memory and given him new memories (this happened in the show to lelouch as well).

[Vecna]

That would also explain the suspicious nature of his force-replace

[Vecna]

Anyways id like some more participation from the rest as well in solving this thing.

Except for the occasional input from culted, and the accusations that im scum from McMenno and Davesaz im feeling like im flying solo up in here.

[Vecna]

Actually, there is nothing suspicious about that. There was a post replacing Leon in replacement queue, I've seen it. I can give you a post number or link if you don't believe me.

Youre right, I just spotted it. Still makes me wonder about the reasons, but I guess I wont look into that too much.

Im rather convinced at any rate now that Thinkbig is either scum or under the influence of a Geass from the emperor.

If his next post doesnt come clean and satisfy me, were lynching him today.

[Vecna]

Blegh, Leon was such a solid townread for me.

McMenno having the fake-claim for Ohgi with a very similair ability to the immortality report I got him him smells like super-scum as well.

[Vecna]

lets do it creature, we just need 2 votes

Cant let my suspicion get to me.

The most likely explenation for this thinkbig thing is that he's under some geass

VOTE: McMenno

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: McMenno

Nope, not without a proper claim from Thinkbig

[Vecna]

ThinkBig, get in here and claim properly

Real flavour. Real abilities. Real names of abilities.

Name of your Knightmare and what it does.

[Vecna]

Wait, Thinkbig, Do you have a Knightmare? Do you know how to drive one?

Tell us how youre capable of putting people in jail. What is your life's story.

Share your memories with us.

[Vecna]

Memory Wipe testing:

Thinkbig:

I agree with Vecna's PoE, and I'm inclined to take malpa and

maybe

davesaz off the list too, so scum is somewhere in

Alisae
KlingonCelt
RandomMidget
Creature

Do you remember saying any of this Thinkbig? Does that sound like something you would ever say?

Do you remember trying to lynch this guy pretending to be Prince Schneizl? Were you present there? How did you feel when he made such a dastardly escape and avoided our mob?

Do you remember being in love with Aristophanes/Rolo Lamperouge? Do you remember how you felt when he was murdered?

Does me asking you all these questions make you confused? Do you remember these things or did they never happen?

[Vecna]

Is there any harm if I vote rn?

Scum might hammer, so yes, let me have a little more time and lets wait for the response from Thinkbig.

[Vecna]

Maybe Leonshade was just scum all this time, and Thinkbig tried to obv-bus his teammate McMenno there by counter-claiming for towncredit.

[Vecna]

Notice how McMenno never actually attacked ThinkBig for counter-claiming except referring to his mother as Ohgi.

He only attacked me for lying, but not ThinkBig AT ALL.

Tundundun.

Maybe its just that simple.

[Vecna]

I know, but theres 3 possible scenarios here, one not being the way more obvious choice than the others, sadly

And one of the three options could instantly loose us the game here since we have no real way to confirm how much scum are still alive.

I have no problem waiting a little bit more to question Thinkbig on these matters.

[Vecna]

VOTE: McMenno

I am convinced now that McMenno is VV. Depending on the flip I support the plan of lynching either ThinkBig or Davesaz.

You just got yourself a major scumread as well

[Vecna]

Lynch order: Davesaz Tomorrow, Leonshade the day after.

If McMenno does flip town here, reverse that order.

If the game isnt won yet when those 2 are dead, lynch in culted/lloyd.

[Vecna]

lolwut?

[Vecna]

Safe-zone mechanic is still in place, not allowing menno to self-hammer? I thought that got removed.

[Vecna]

Would be nice if someone could unvote so I can question Thinkbig about this glaring hole in his claim.

theres a reason McMenno just tried to self hammer, and he's protecting a certain truth from getting out.

[Vecna]

Good, we have confscum.

If youre talking about lloyd, im not sure if he's confscum or just town not reading my requests to wait with hammering.

But yeah, menno is pretty damn scummy - but he does this shit as town as well.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE:
vecna i agree with what you are saying.
@my role being weird, i feel kind of VTish here. like FA needed a weaker role to put in but still wanted it to have abilities.

Im actually kind of happy that you also have an unknown passive, since it makes Yume's story about his roleclaim a lot more likely to be true. I dont know if my rolecop would reveal your ability

[Vecna]

Memory Wipe testing:

Thinkbig:

I agree with Vecna's PoE, and I'm inclined to take malpa and

maybe

davesaz off the list too, so scum is somewhere in

Alisae
KlingonCelt
RandomMidget
Creature

Do you remember saying any of this Thinkbig? Does that sound like something you would ever say?

Do you remember trying to lynch this guy pretending to be Prince Schneizl? Were you present there? How did you feel when he made such a dastardly escape and avoided our mob?

Do you remember being in love with Aristophanes/Rolo Lamperouge? Do you remember how you felt when he was murdered?

Does me asking you all these questions make you confused? Do you remember these things or did they never happen?

Any time now ThinkBig.

Full claim, no nonsense, with the real flavourclaim, and with full ability names please, so we can hammer here.

[Vecna]

Going over the flavours, I dont see how Leonshade / ThinkBig isnt the Japanese general or the Chinese super-warrior, seeing how hes a Knightmare Pilot.

Such a big role being left out seems unlikely seeing how all common characters from the tv show are included or used as fake-claims.

[Vecna]

Then fight damnit. Im basicly left solo here to solve all this shit in a game with a million mechanics that can cause things to go haywire, but im left with a void of silence and noone willing to put in any effort after the force replace on Leonshade.

[Vecna]

Anyways davesaz if what youre saying is true you can still help town tomorrow by suiciding so we can lynch the other remaining noble-claim thats left.

(note: do not do this yet).

[Vecna]

I've only been able to come here on my phone, tomorrow I'll reread all of this
Also there's a chance Geass forces someone to fake claim

yep, thats what were trying to figure out here.

The person not being present doesnt help though.

[Vecna]

How come? You didnt care to read all 155 pages? :p

Id think there would be a ton to comment on this after replacing in

[Vecna]

True, and if Mcmenno does flip scum with the Ohgi flavour as a fakeclaim I want you to try and murder Thinkbig tonight Malpas.

[Vecna]

I destroy Knightmares m8, not a vig

You are if theyre in their knightmares, stop pretending like youre not

[Vecna]

Should we just go ahead and (try to) flip McMenno? *The parenthetical (try to) in reference to nothing seems a sure thing in this game.

Yea

You all need to work on your sense of adventure.

I mean unless we're waiting on a claim from thinkbig but I'm not sure I really need one anymore we pretty much gotta remove him one way or another.

What's dumb about all of this is that vecna should really have waited a day until after we lynched menno to do this massclaim stuff and just had me out his results again but ALAS

Its ok, its not like scum can kill me anyway. Immortal witch and all.

Id be very surprised if they figure out the mechanics on how to get rid of me.

[Vecna]

Sorta hope we don't fail to lynch again, being unable to lynch scum is a new level of bastardry.

My rolecop showed no abilities that protect him from a lynch. The reason the lynch didnt go thrrough before is because menno is still in the safe-zone so he cannot hammer himself.

[Vecna]

2 more hours untill the prod

[Vecna]

Memory Wipe testing:

Thinkbig:

I agree with Vecna's PoE, and I'm inclined to take malpa and

maybe

davesaz off the list too, so scum is somewhere in

Alisae
KlingonCelt
RandomMidget
Creature

Do you remember saying any of this Thinkbig? Does that sound like something you would ever say?

Do you remember trying to lynch this guy pretending to be Prince Schneizl? Were you present there? How did you feel when he made such a dastardly escape and avoided our mob?

Do you remember being in love with Aristophanes/Rolo Lamperouge? Do you remember how you felt when he was murdered?

Does me asking you all these questions make you confused? Do you remember these things or did they never happen?

@Thinkbig; ^

[Vecna]

Thinkbig has posted at least a 100 times in other topics while were waiting for him.

Emperor Geass is more and more likely, but why would the emperor have a geass that totally restricts him from answering any of this.

The only other reason I can see why he just lets himself get replaced again is because he hopes this will go away and we hammer town McMenno while there's still 4 scum left so we insta loose.

This blows.

[Vecna]

Even giving him a creative way to circumvent memory wipe, but hes not even going for that.

[Vecna]

More than a week remaiining.

[Vecna]

Just because youre an immortal 10 year old doesnt mean you have to start roleplaying one.

[Vecna]

Alright this little hold-up gave me the required time to completely finish watching the show.

Can I please have Leonshade back now to flavour-theorize? no? damnit.

Anyways.....

CULTED is BISMARCK. Ive known this for quite some time. In the show he is loyal to Marianne and the Emperor to the very very end, right untill Suzaku destroys his ass. He did claim in our PT with that, and he truthfully revealed all his abilities to me. Now the problem is, did he do that because he knew early that I was a rolecop? Or did he just do that because he's a freedom alligned person that got flavour-fitted really weirdly into the setup.

After watching the show, I feel BISMARCK is the odd one out in this setup. ALL other characters have much much larger roles, and even characters with a larger role are left out or used as fake-claims.

Why introduce this character into the setup then? The only reason I can think of is because a: his abilities in the show just fit well here. or b: because V.V. is not actually on the side of Charles and Marianne, and the C+M team needed a boost. Maybe V.V. isnt teamed up with the emperor and Marianne at all. He probably is, but it might not be the case. After all, he murdered marianne. He broke his vow and lied to charles repeatedly. It did seem that he was working on the ragnarok goal with charles untill the end though to rid the world of lies.

Another weird part is that Culted has not shown a Knightmare once. Rather confusing that Bismarck doesnt have a Knightmare if you ask me, but I guess his character needed balancing.

Purely based on flavour/setup spec, I cannot see how Bismarck is not scum together with Charles and Marianne. Fighting against them with freedom makes NO sense.

He also has an ability called <THE KINGS GUARD>. The king ofcourse being Charles.

All in all, it just makes no sense to me whatsoever to include this character as a town power alligned with freedom.

Maybe he's just included because the flavour allows for him to have cool abilities, totally possible.

After all, V.V. isnt noble either, which is pretty strange. But then again, a lot of people arent nobles in this setup that are in the show. This matches I guess with him being the kings guard, if he wants to protect the king, he has to be noble to charles. He's not there to protect V.V.

The only thing that irches me is......if he's sided with DAVESAZ, why didnt he tell him that I have a role-cop investigation on his slot and that he SHOULDNT LIE?.

[Vecna]

Schneizel is a pretty evil prick on the show as well in the end. He keeps claiming he does it to realize world peace...but being able to massacre so many people with FLEYA's the way he does, and desiring to use his DAMOCLES to hold the world hostage.....meh.

Too many potential scum in this setup, flavourwise.

Town vigs mightve shot a bunch of town, but seeing how we havent had a single mislynch yet.....Unless theres some weird multiball thing going on, at least some of these slots have had to be cast as freedom. Schneizel still makes more sense to be freedom than Bismarck imo.

[Vecna]

Anyways, theres nothing to properly solve this setup as freedom further than this it seems when all potential scum are lurking as is happening in this game, or are getting replaced left and right (preferring to get replaced over answering questions even.....)

Time to just trust on lynching the people caught in lies, and that are doing nothing to solve this thing. If ive been redirected its out of my control.

Waiting for another replacement to catch up on 156 pages...yeah.

[Vecna]

The only question left to answer:

Is it better to lynch Davesaz first, or McMenno first.

We could have creature change his target to block GEASS on Culted so he cannot redirect anyone and I investigate the thinkbig slot tonight, and we lynch Davesaz now.

[Vecna]

A possible scenario is still that THINKBIG is V.V and I was redirected.

Thinkbig does have the Knightmare that id expect V.V. to have......A V.V. without Sigfried....?

[Vecna]

Alright we'll carry out the original plan then.

Lynch order:
McMenno ----> If he flips as anything else but V.V. lynch Leon/thinkbig/replacement tomorrow instead of Davesaz and keep your geass blocker on Davesaz
Davesaz -----> If he flips as anything else but the emperor id be thoroughly surprised. Schneizel fakeclaim would be very surprising
Culted

Im just really hoping we dont get endgamed here, but that would mean that Marianne somehow was town as well, or that the original scumteam was 5 people, which I dont see happening.

If Mcmenno doesnt flip as V.V its imperative that MalpasCP attempts to kill Leonshade/Thinkbig/replacement tonight or at least destroy their Knightmare. Please dont do that if McMenno flips as V.V.
If CULTED goes into a knightmare all of a sudden tonight, its fine as well to destroy it. He wont die since im protecting him.

VOTE: McMenno

[Vecna]

And dont forget the possibility of this being some weird multiball. Very small chance of this, but maybe Leonshade is allied to Schneizel and is one of the knights loyal to him in the endbattle (vampire, japanese/chinese badass).

[Vecna]

Sup davesaz, cant kill stuff with that Geass block on you?

VOTE: Davesaz

It appears ThinkBig is locked up in CC's realm/ragnarok or whatever.

States he's out of reach for my role-cop.

So either that.......or Culted used his geass to block my ability completely.


Creature, please change your loyalty to CULTED

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: davesaz

Untill creature confirms he changed loyalty to culted.

What did you do during the night malpas?

[Vecna]

oh missed that death msg lol.

[Vecna]

VOTE: dave

Seeing how you can vote, you can answer my questions, no?

[Vecna]

Thinkbig claimed Ohgi - makes sense now since he has a Knightmare
Davesaz claimed euphemia (appearsr false based on the placement of other flavours all being active in season 2, and caught in a lie about allignment unless culted succesfully redirected me while I rolecopped davesaz). Likely emperor
Im CC
Culted is the Brittish general, Bismarck - Diehard loyalist to the emperor and lady marianne. Likely last scum after we lynch Davesaz today.
Yume is Schneizel - flavourclaim and game events all seem to corroborate it.
RM is that spy-girl with the white hair. Seems plausible enough as well.


Lynch order: Davesaz today, Culted prrobably tomorrow.



All scum so far have been the brittish highest evil nobility. They wanted to use the ragnarok to remake the world according to their own wishes, without lies - and stop at nothing to achieve it.

Davesaz and Culted are the last 2 players with Strong ties to it.

[Vecna]

Lelouch has a fakeclaim.

V.V doesn't.

Lelouch was third party. V.V. was scum and had a lot of redacted stuff. Maybe the mod forgot to remove the fake-claim from him....

Or way more likely just didnt give any to scum.

That would explain why McMenno claimed a role that Thinkbig counter-claimed.

[Vecna]

Anyways Occam's razor this game.

The most likely scenario is probably what happened.

Davesaz Erased Leonshade's memory. Leon didnt stick to the posting limits set out by the mod so was force-replaced by her friend that would stick to the posting limits.

Sneaky little culted predicted that I would obviously rolecop Thinkbig. His ability can then be used to either redirect me or stop my ability completely.

He tried to make us suspicious of Thinkbig by doing it like this. Its the only shot they have left to win: Making is mislynch today.



Were not gonna give them what they want.

Lynch Davesaz today
Culted tomorrow

Creature, we can speed-game this as soon as you confirmed youre loyal to culted.

[Vecna]

Oh yeah, he's lloyd, the scientist making all the Knightmares.

He's not linked to the bad guys at all, and has been pretty pro-town in his actions all game.

Do not lynch.

[Vecna]

perfect, lets hammer it

[Vecna]

VOTE: DaveSaz

If this isnt the emperor for whatever reason.....

Tomorrow is gonna be tricky. Then look into Yume, but then its probably Thinkbig that is the emperor.

[Vecna]

Hmmm wait a second.

Why would there be 9 votes in place....

SSBM6, is that caused by one of your Knightmares?

Who did you give gifts to last night?

[Vecna]

I believe you, rather not toy around with that :p

[Vecna]

Go ahead and hammer DaveSaz imo, unless you have something else you'd like discussed.

I think this game is solved and over.

[Vecna]

Bah im really annoyed now that I wasted my Geass contractor on Malpascp.

My rolecop also showed nothing about anything that could cause this, so either its some geass effect or....

[Vecna]

Beloves would only make sense if she's really euphemia...

But even that shouldve shown up in a rolecop.

Thinkbig, its time for you to answer some questions.

[Vecna]

Unless there's a special special zone.

Well, the emperor is way more immortal than V.V. in the show....

Or maybe its some trick that he cannot die while his bodyguard, Culted is still alive.

[Vecna]

Memory Wipe testing:

This thinkbig:

I agree with Vecna's PoE, and I'm inclined to take malpa and

maybe

davesaz off the list too, so scum is somewhere in

Alisae
KlingonCelt
RandomMidget
Creature

Do you remember saying any of this Thinkbig? Does that sound like something you would ever say?

Do you remember trying to lynch this guy pretending to be Prince Schneizl? Were you present there? How did you feel when he made such a dastardly escape and avoided our mob?

Do you remember being in love with Aristophanes/Rolo Lamperouge? Do you remember how you felt when he was murdered?

Does me asking you all these questions make you confused? Do you remember these things or did they never happen?

Also, are you sticking to your flavour-claim of Ohgi?

What about your knightmare?

What about your jailkeeper/watcher claim?

[Vecna]

If we lynch culted, I die though

[Vecna]

Lets keep our votes in play for a while longer and see what happens when RM and SSBM6 also vote for davesaz.

[Vecna]

Sorta think I shouldn't have changed my loyalty.

I didnt foresee this....and it makes very little sense.


Culted claimed to use his geass on Davesaz as well that uses the flavour.

Either Davesaz isnt Euhie, or if he is Euphie he has no Geass abilities.

But I rolecopped him and it only revealed him being noble..

The only person I couldve possibly been redirected to wouldve been Yume, but theres nothing to explain what happened to Yume when we tried to lynch her afaik.

[Vecna]

Maybe we could try making everybody vote him and if it doesn't work we move to culted.

Yeah lets do this.

[Vecna]

Gonna interfere with my rolecop some more you mean?

[Vecna]

Sure. What do you want me to answer?

so?

[Vecna]

Prove your not scum culted, vote davesaz

[Vecna]

Guessing Davesaz mightve stolen some knightmare from soemone that caused him to take more votes to kill?

[Vecna]

What in the nine hells.

Even a Fleya did not cause that level of destruction on the show as was described in that flavour.

[Vecna]

I rolecopped RandomMidget last night.

His claim + abilities appear to be the truth.

I also got the redacted thing

Not a lot is making sense anymore right now.

[Vecna]

It might also be Wifom from culted.

He knew I would suicide him if they tried to kill me.

either that or scum really did buy the fact I couldnt die unless they killed culted first.

[Vecna]

This alexander business is strange though.

Its like the first reference to this other season of code geass?

havent seen this akito the exiled episodes, and so far nothing in this game appears to have referenced anything from there.

[Vecna]

Apparently.....That alexander knightmare that lloyd is talking about references some side-season or something I think?

[Vecna]

Think we need Culted to come in here and confirm whether Creature is loyal to him indeed, and whether his geass abilities were blocked.

For now: NOONE vote.

Yume has double vote, so if she is scum and theres a second scum alive (I dont think so, but you never know)....then its over if ANYONE votes for a non-scum person.

[Vecna]

I just cannot believe that Orange boy or Schneizel would be used as fake-claims.....

The only thing that seems to make sense to me is that Culted is the last remaining scum.

[Vecna]

Which would mean they decided to use some wifom play, and sacrefise the emperor....

That would be all kinds of weird.

Maybe the emperor is dead, and theres some weird dynamic where Schneizel was sided with the evil britannian nobels after all.

What do you think makes the most sense here creature?

[Vecna]

I'm thinking janitor or something similar and that think was town

It made zero sense to kill him if he was town, because he was guaranteed gonna be the lynch today.

Much more likely that he tried to kill you, and the alexander sent him to the afterlife.

The flavour with the nuclear kaboom though....

[Vecna]

Guess we need random-midget to confirm the loyalty then and whether you indeed never visited anyone culted.

[Vecna]

Also culted, did you try and use your geass pwoers last night?

Can you confirm whether creature is loyal to you and blocked your geass powers?

[Vecna]

At any rate were not quickhammering anything here again.

Not with yume being vla for 2 days

[Vecna]

Btw, noone but me and culted is lovers now right?

Noone dying that could result in a suicide amongst the 4 of you?

[Vecna]

Were u loyal to anyone last night culted?

[Vecna]

I literally ordered everyone to lynch Thinkbig in case I died.

I told culted I would make him suicide if I was the nightkill.

This play seems like the only way a Thinkbig + culted team could still win - wifom us into thinking thinkbig really wanted to kill culted.

Theres other possibilities ofcourse, but this one actually seems the most likely to me.

[Vecna]

And Thinkbig conveniently disappearing like that also makes me unable to answer the question whether I couldnt reach Thinkbig with my roleclaim either because:

-Culted stopped me with his geass redirection
-The emperor was in ragnarok or whatever (Aka commuting)

[Vecna]

Which is actually funny, because when I confronted creature in our PT his reply was: "If you think im the only source of redirection left alive youre a fool".

[Vecna]

Yeah it seems all other PT's are gone. Noone other than me and culted were ever even in a PT I think?

[Vecna]

So the last scum is either Yume or Culted imo.

I propose we lynch Yume today since the slot has double vote and will auto-win tomorrow in a 4way if its scum. I still think culted is more likely, but not willing to take the gamble since we'll still win if were wrong about yume but right about culted.

Tomorrow ill either make culted suicide if im NK'd or we lynch him.

Ill rolecop creature (or yume if he somehow magically survives another lynch).

If I get killed but dont make culted suicide, hang creature tomorrow instead.

[Vecna]

You were not killed. I do not have any clue why ThinkBig did not flip. All I know is that because you are alive, Alexander is not responsible.

I may vote Yume after a full claim later.

And yes, I can confirm that that is how Siegfried works. It gives a double vote during the Day if it was used on the preceding Night.

Culted wouldve been killed but im doctor on him

[Vecna]

At any rate, im not seeing any reason to not lynch yume today and culted tomorrow.

[Vecna]

It is not guaranteed that Culted would be killed at all. ThinkBig would only die without flipping if Culted actually dies. Culted was alive so Alexander did not cause ThinkBig's death.

Did the gm confirm that?

[Vecna]

Btw, can that knightmare also kill people? I'm guessing it cant?

[Vecna]

Who'll hammer Yume?

Me, so when the time comes well need to figure out a way to make sure scum doesnt interfere

[Vecna]

Yes. (It was in magenta, but I can trust it for now.)

That Knightmare can kill anyone who possesses a Geass ability.

So yeah, only me or creature then i guess

[Vecna]

The point of the game is not being bullheaded and engaging in clique-like behavior, the point of the game is to find scum, so if you think I am scum, say why I am scum, dispute my points, prove that my claim is fake and all that, don't just flat-out pretend I don't exist.

Youre potential scum because everyone else but culted is confirmed town.

If you disagree with that, reasons.

Even if youre town this course of action should win the game for you

[Vecna]

Check those results on culted please

[Vecna]

Schneizel has no geass on the show

[Vecna]

So does anyone have any better suggestions?

I'm quite convinced the last scum is in culted/yume.

Yes im just using flavour here to go on. Weve been doing it all game and so far it hasnt failed except for davesaz which was caused by a redirect or moderator lie

[Vecna]

Lol and you out this information now, 5 days later :d

Probably allowed me to solve the game in the meanwhile but thats pretty lolworthy.

[Vecna]

Can you give a full overview of every visit culted did per night? I know all his abilities and i want to verify some things

[Vecna]

Thats strange....he should only be able to visit two people given his normal abilities....and how can he still visit people with your geass blocking him i wonder....

It looks like culted can redirect the passives and hes redirecring your geass block to someone else.

Im surprised he didnt visit me n5 to stop my rolecop on thinkbig....instead he visited thinkbig himself.

[Vecna]

Anyways those results indicate culted has lied to me in our neighbourhood about a bunch of things.

[Vecna]

Or we just lynch you now. He actually does have you visiting painbringer night3 with the loyalty.

[Vecna]

All results match with what you stated except your visit on painbringer day1 (which is KainTepes) and aristo d2

[Vecna]

Yume is in the unclears and doesnt hammer shit.

[Vecna]

Culted, if we hammer you today, would you make me suicide?

[Vecna]

Every inch of human society is built over lies. Economy, Politics, Religions, ... We are not nothing but toys in gods divine rule.

And that's why I made a solemn vow, To kill the god and his divine rule.

That's what everyone else is fighting for, isn't it? A world free of lies!

People who are using knightmare tonight! :

• malpascp
  
• Yume

"Brother; You lied to me again ... how dare you ... You broke our vow twice."

"Charles ... Help me!"

"Brother, Your on your own this time." Charles said this and disappeared in void.

McMenno , V.V. aligned with "Special Zone" Faction was lynched Day 5.

Spoiler: Role PM

V.V Faction : Special Zone , Nation : Unkown Rage [active] : Force someone to do the [Redacted] instead of you. Immortality [passive] : You can't die during night phases. Unity [passive] : You know [Redacted] are the members of the special zone. You can't put done a hammer vote on any of these players. You can't kill any of these players. You can't force any of these players to suicide. [Redacted Factional Abilities] Geass Contractor : Once during this game you may make a contract with another player. They will receive a list of all the Geass actions that has been done to them (not the names of the casters) and all the current Geass effect will be removed from them. If the player has a Geass power he will loose it. To binding a contract is to use Geass itself. You know "C.C" Is in game and has the same "geass contractor" ability. Win condition : You will win when your faction controls the majority or nothing can stop this. (Mafia)

Please confirm your role and alignment by sending a message to the moderator account and making a confirm post in this thread .

It could potentially be the case that V.V. forced culted to do the scum factional kill on night 2, which caused culted's visit to show up in the way it does.

[Vecna]

But at the same time, Leonshade was trying to flavourhunt for V.V for a long time.....where he never even once considered culted or me as a potential person that couldve been V.V.

This while he never knew I or culted couldnt be V.V. - unless Culted told him all these neat things ofcourse.

[Vecna]

I still say we lynch Yume today.

Ill hammer the slot.

I rolecop either SSBM6 or Creature tonight.

If I die I make culted suicide, UNLESS my rolecop shows another liar.

Ill tell culted who im rolecopping in our PT. If I dont make him suicide, sheep him tomorrow on whoever he tells you to.

[Vecna]

If culted is scum;

He can factional kill someone tonight.
Use his Knightmare to kill creature.

That still leaves me, RM + culted tomorrow and we lynch culted.

[Vecna]

Call GM: If two lovers remain alive as the 2 last survivors, 1 sided with freedom, 1 scum - Do scum still win, or is it a draw since either can make the other person suicide while dying?

[Vecna]

Yeah id say so, although input remaind important.

Theres a lot of variables in play, especially with all these knightmares around.

We also need culted to tell us what he intends to do:

-Will he enter his knightmare tonight and attempt to kill creature?
-Will he make me suicide if we were to lynch him instead

[Vecna]

Kind of strange, according to win conditions, if culted is the last remaining survivor, he can no longer win....

Since he can never kill me without dying himself, so reaching a majority in the game is impossible.

[Vecna]

last remaining scum survivor*

[Vecna]

Call gm - Can the lover forced suicides ever be redirected or blocked in any way?

[Vecna]

Call GM: Freedom wincondition says that every threat needs to be eliminated. Is my understanding that if everyone dies, freedom wins, correct?

[Vecna]

We dont know creature.

Based on the show, Id say it definately isnt you - unless Jeremiah / Orange boy s a fakeclaim (which seems unlikely to me)

I could see Schneizel being anti-freedom since he really walks that thin line in the show.......But if I had to design a setup such as this I wouldnt put him on the same team as the emperor + V.V. + Marianne.

The most likely last scum, based on show contents/flavour is Culted. He was a faithful servant to all the people that have flipped scum.

The only reason im stretching this out so much is because I dont want to fuck it up last minute, and as far as I can make out we have (at least) 1 more mislynch.

Randommidget as scum makes very little sense with his flavour. I also dont think its a fake-claim since his abilities match with the flavour very well.

SSBM6 -maybe- could be some weird scum, allthough he isnt really allied to V.V. / marrianne / charles at all. The only reason id consider it possible is because he's a sociopath on the show that just does everything for his own entertainment and cares little for anyone else. The in-game actions however dont appear to be scum-motivated whatsoever.


Bottomline:

im 85% sure Culted is the last scum. Im stretching this out to make sure we dont get bitten in the ass by the last little bit of uncertainty since I was wrong about Davesaz as well.

[Vecna]

Vecna, scum were provided fakeclaims.

And how would you know this? Because so far only the third party has flipped with a revealed fake-claim.

Either way, both fakeclaims were of reasonably minor characters. All flavours claimed here are not that. Also pretty much all of the flavours have been fact-checked with their ability usage (pending creature).

[Vecna]

I think it's 3 groupscum and lelouche as the weird sk thing.

Considering cd's role, and if yume is scum that's 2 lynchproofs making a 3 man team make slightly more sense

But if I'm wrong it could be mylo today which sucks because yume is less likely to be teamed than anyone else (though it's not particularly likeyl for anyone either just less for her)

No, thinkbig was confirmed emperor.

Random confirmed you did not use your geass to stop me from rolecopping him.

Thus he was commuting N5. It makes total sense flavourwise, the emperor vanishes on the show when he enters ragnarok as well and becomes unreachable to nearly everyone (=obvious commute ability).

Doesnt mean he didnt willingly suicide on you to attempt to townclear you ofcourse

[Vecna]

At any rate, im hammering Yume so I get all the knightmares.

Me and culted discuss in our PT whether creature lives or dies.

Me and culted discuss in our PT whether I rolecop SSBM6 or Creature (notice if creature died I rolecopped SSBM6).

Scum use factional kill on either me, culted, RM or SSBM6.

This results in the following possible scenarios:

I die, I make culted suicide, Creature dies. 2 people remaining: --> SSBM6 + Randommidget. If either of them somehow is scum, we loose. I dont see any way around this if SSBM6 indeed is a scum alligned Lloyd or is villeta nu is somehow scum. Most likely this results in either culted or creature flipping scum and us winning.

Creature dies, I die, I >DO NOT< make culted suicide: --> This means I rolecopped SSBM6. In any scenario where creature dies and culted is not made so suicide ill have copped SSBM6 and have found out he's lying. In this scenario lynch SSBM6 tomorrow.

Creature dies, Scum factional kill either SSBM6 or RM. --> No unclears left, we lynch culted tomorrow

I guess theres not really any scenario where culted doesnt kill creature, unless somehow Yume survives the lynch again.

If for some reason both creature and SSBM6 survive the night, but both me and culted die - lynch creature over SSBM6. Im quite sure ill be rolecopping SSBM6, and if I find any scum-indication there I wont make culted suicide.



Any questions? Now is the time to ask. Else lets set it up so that I can hammer Yume.

[Vecna]

Btw, if Yume does flip scum but the game isnt over, all of the above goes out the windom.

Then my theories do not hold, and everything will need to be reevaluated since it would indicate some weird multiball mechanic.

Think that covers all likely scenario's.

[Vecna]

Yume, how about you read into the situation?

We cannot hammer culted today since it gives us less space to work with tomorrow if were wrong (and might put us in auto-loss if theres a scum faction with 2 members still alive.

[Vecna]

Yume, how about you unvote and let me vote culted first then? Because im not gonna get killed by hammering him.

Then you can hammer culted and the problem is sorted straight away with both of you dying.

[Vecna]

yes

[Vecna]

VOTE: Culted

[Vecna]

Take it away

[Vecna]

Notice that if the effect doesnt happen, but culted does flip scum, take out ssbm6 tomorrow for lying

@creature/RM

[Vecna]

And now we patiently sit and wait to see whether this game is flavour-based or complete random chaos

[Vecna]

At any rate this destroys all knightmares in game.

NO MORE FOREIGN SUPPRESION.

FREE JAPAN

[Vecna]

Question: Why did my rolecop on DaveSaz that was redirected to NotChara not reveal his other active ability?

Knight of Nunnally [Active] : Once during the game you may choose one of the loyal people to you as a knight of the realm. They will get the following knightmare as a gift to be your knight and will receive a message that they are entitled as knight of Nunnally.

[Vecna]

Because this is basically the reason we lynched Davesaz - there was no person that only had the noble passive ability, and no way a scum would redirect it to one of their own (Yume).

[Vecna]

The CC'ing Menno thing made it very hard for us, since that implied you did have some memories.

[Vecna]

Even though I would lose posts like Vecnas make me want Yume to go through the playerlist and express exactly how unconfirmed as town everyone is, and convince them that they're being dumb.

thats exactly where I am

Their logic makes zero sense the win is not justified!

Seriously? This just makes me sad to read stuff like this. The win is not justified?

We have only had back to back lynches on scum. Of 6 out of 7 days we lynched scum. The only mislynch we had (on Davesaz) is likely caused by a mod error. I wouldnt have settled on culted in the end If I didnt believe Yume would die alongside him, so that last lynch was effectively lynching scum since if you read all my posts I wanted to prioritize Yume over Culted.

The setup was obviously 100% based on flavour, so confirming people their flavour using my ability is a valid way to deduce alignment. Saying that this is not a valid way to confirm that someone is obvious town, when all obvious scum flavours were scum is nonsensical.

[Vecna]

The JK/watcher was such an obvious BS claim. I'm surprised I wasn't lynched in the spot.

I was reasonably certain your memory was wiped, right untill the moment you cc'd McMenno.

[Vecna]

Yay. Nice try Yume, I was seriously hoping you'd pull it off.

Vecna, your play day before yesterday, when you started taking control was great, but you went down hill from there and got lucky. Made a lot of assumptions that should have screwed you over, and could have quite easily. Don't let the results bias blind you to the fact that you almost threw the game away by going too deep into the flavor.

Flavour digging won us the game. All flavours + allignments made perfect sense given the show, except Culted.

[Vecna]

Anyways well played Leon, still a shame you didn't accept my hat at the start of the game, it wouldve been epic to have been in a PT with you.

[Vecna]

Anyways, thanks to the mod for running the setup. It was a lot of fun, and figuring out what was going on sure was very confusing at times.

Sorry for lynching you in the end culted <3

[Vecna]

Btw.....If I had used geass contractor on CD after the marianne geass thing......would it have revived kyouko?

[Vecna]

As for that Lelouch shouldve done:

N1: Show everyone's abilities on moderator
N2 and onward; shopping time, cult-style

[Vecna]

Also....Yume claiming a hidden redacted mechanic as form of a fakeclaim and then RandomMidget showing up also having a rolecop confirmed hidden passive is evil.

Gotta check that scum PT whether it was in his fakeclaim all along.

[Vecna]

my direct mod influence were in shaping mafia fake claims during the game (to use flavor and stuff to tell them how what they want would make sense) and for keyxrb geass obv

So you came up with the hidden fleya-mechanic that he wouldnt have known up front when we were about to lynch him eh?

That surely was a very very strong fakeclaim, especially after having confirmed RM also had such an ability.

What did RM's hidden ability do though? We never found out about that one

[Vecna]

What about

"Ignore all votes"

[Vecna]

Vecna: incorrect reasoning makes me quite upset and I don't think towns deserve to win by accident. Using the wrong logical process, or rather, a flawed process, is just as bad as being wrong to me. So is missing out on obvious mechanically strong plays.

So what reasoning was flawed? If you've watched the show there really isnt any case to be made for Villeta Nu, Jeremiah or Lloyd to be allied to V.V/Emperor/Marianne. We mechanically confirmed all those identities, except for Culted. So the poe scum pool of culted/yume was fine.

Thinking culted is more likely because Schneizel is quite an important character isnt far fetched. Using mechanics (availlable knightmares) to decide the lynch order in those 2, as we did, is fine - we were going to lynch Yume first simply because he was more dangerous. Forcing Yume to suicide by hammering Culted isnt accidental - it actually does exactly what you suggest by utilizing mechanics optimally to solve the game and it resulted in town winning without any nonsense. Even if both flipped town, there were instructions to lynch creature tomorrow, so that possibility was also accounted for. We effectively created a strategy in where town COULD NOT loose.

We couldnt have known that the mind wipe on Leon would make it so he wouldnt even answers questions regarding his former memories.

Thinkbig dying without a flip made it very likely that he did try to kill culted. Even if we had lynched culted, Yume had zero chance of winning due to the built-in contingencies that I set up.

[Vecna]

TLDR: I didnt build 100% on a single piece of reasoning, I accounted for all possibilities and made a strategy to deal with all of them to rule out any chance of freedom losing.

It worked

[Vecna]

Vecna: how about the part where you had a flipped possible cult leader who had been alive for two nights? You could have easily walked directly into a guaranteed loss if he had actually used his power to cult people.

Its true noone in the game thought about this use of the ability - so it isnt too surprising Rb didnt think of this option. And if you really feel we misplayed because we didnt account for this one potential then....wel.

I dont think we couldve done much better as town this game. We mislynched one town the entire game and had succesive scum lynches every other single day. The only room for improvement was in the vig shots.

We were left with 4 (semi-)lurkers in the end, yet found a way to sort everyone and be right about it. Being results oriented is fine with me in this scenario, and it worked out.

[Vecna]

dave and culted

Like I said, we never wouldve lynched culted if Yume didnt agree to hammer it resulting in his death as well

[Vecna]

Vecna: how about the part where you had a flipped possible cult leader who had been alive for two nights? You could have easily walked directly into a guaranteed loss if he had actually used his power to cult people.

Its true noone in the game thought about this use of the ability - so it isnt too surprising Rb didnt think of this option. And if you really feel we misplayed because we didnt account for this one potential then....wel.

I dont think we couldve done much better as town this game. We mislynched one town the entire game and had succesive scum lynches every other single day. The only room for improvement was in the vig shots.

We were left with 4 (semi-)lurkers in the end, yet found a way to sort everyone and be right about it. Being results oriented is fine with me in this scenario, and it worked out.

RB DID think of that use for his ability.

He used his wisdom power to ask FA about it.

They just didn't submit the power usage before the night ended on the night they asked about it. There SHOULD have been one more scum.

And, I can go into greater detail about the fundamental flaws of the method you used, but if you insist on being results oriented, I don't really see the point. You're content with playing worse than you could have, and I guess I'll have to accept that my attempt to help everybody be better at mafia is going to be ignored.

Even if there was another scum he wouldnt have any killing abilities and we still wouldve won using the exact same strategy since this wouldve gotten rid of all the "real scum" this way.

But go on then, tell us what we couldve done better and what the fundamental flaw of our approach was.

[Vecna]

lol @ kaintepes + McMenno pt