Newbie 1768: Party Mafia - Game over!

[SirCakez]

Votecount 3.5 (still unchanged)

Revan (2) - GuiltyLion, tojam2
GuiltyLion (1) - Sobolev Space

Not voting (3) - EccentricLemon, Agent Sparkles, Revan

With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2017-02-17 17:22:00) remain until day end

[Sobolev Space]

Since the day is wrapping up I'm going to vote Revan once we get two days away from deadline unless anyone strongly objects or there are any new developments.

@Sparkles - I would like an explanation for your list on Revan's partners.

@tojam - I guess I could see scum switching up the order of the kills (i.e. kill some rando tonight and then kill you heading into lylo) but it still doesn't sit easy with me.

[Agent Sparkles]

So individually, I townread tojam the most, followed by SS and then GL. For SS it's partially because of bowdown and partially because of herself, both of whom have been scumhunting in a proactive and believable way for the vast majority of the game. Also SS seems to fluctuate with her reads, but in a much more natural-looking way than Revan, as in she's actually being cautious and reconsidering her points rather than just flipping back and forth. For GL it's mostly because of his aggressive no-BS attitude toward logical flaws in people's arguments, especially misreps. Even if most of said points were directed at him, the fact that he's not letting anything slide and that he pushed so boldly on Titus despite the possible backlash today seems town-motivated. The only real problems I have with GL right now are his recent desire for people to vote so quickly in MYLO and his abrupt switch back to tunneling Revan with conviction after sidelining him for Titus, hence why he's below SS. EL is still a bit of a conundrum for me; her apologetic response to tojam was decently satisfying, and that was the main thing that pinged me about her, but I still don't particularly townread her. I'm going to do some rereading on her soon so I can formulate a stronger opinion.

Now we get to associations. It’s pretty much established at this point that if Revan is scum, his partner is bussing him. In itself that’s pretty believable, since it’s hard to ignore his scumtells and he was likely on death row as soon as Titus got lynched. But the ways that all of his possible partners have bussed him are different; GL was one of the first people to pursue a lynch on him on day 1, and Revan soon returned the favor and tunneled him along with JaeReed. This seems like an awfully risky way to bus your partner, because I’d think (correct me if I’m wrong) that scum would have a pretty slim chance of both surviving if they were at each other’s throats from the beginning.
Verdict: Not likely partners

Later EL expressed a scumread on him and Revan “self-saved” on to her, though it was when they were already the top suspects and the nancy wagon didn’t exist yet. Meanwhile Revan tries to say that he has a slight townread on EL, but he can’t even stick to that view, strongly implying and even saying at one point that he had voted his scumread. This seems like it could be a poor attempt to disassociate with her without actually trying to get her lynched.
Verdict: Could be partners

As for SS, she came in with a scumread on Revan as opposed to what her predecessor thought late d1/early d2. One thing that was consistent between them is that they both scumread him for a while and then hesitated on it, with bowdown even changing to a townread on him for reasons that I still find odd and never found a resolution for. As I said before, her hesitance on Revan could be a last-ditch effort to change people’s minds, or it could just be town caution.
Verdict: Could be partners

I’m fairly sure that Revan is ineffective scum, so I’d like to see these become talking points tomorrow, if not today before a lynch goes through. We should all do some more ISO reading overnight as well.

[Agent Sparkles]

Probably should have put that text wall in a spoiler now that I think about it

[Agent Sparkles]

You know what, we're pretty much running in place now, and almost everyone is fixed on Revan anyway. @SS, I'm alright with lynching him 24 hours from now.

[Sobolev Space]

Yea I agree this is pretty dead. I'm still a little worried about a mislynch but I feel like town!Revan would've been trying a lot harder to stop his lynch today.

Will vote for Revan in ~24 hours regardless of whether it just puts him to L-1 or is the hammer.

[Agent Sparkles]

@Revan @tojam2 @GuiltyLion @EccentricLemon

Any more thoughts to share?

[EccentricLemon]

Revan hasn't said anything of value for a while now, and his last post was more than 48 hours ago. I'd like to give him a chance to at least respond to the points that have been brought up since then. I'll be back in ~25 hours after this post. There isn't much to contribute that I don't think I've addressed already. I'm fine with you guys lynching Revan while I'm gone, and I'll vote him when I come back, unless we have another nancy-esque late push or he manages to give a convincing argument (but I doubt either of that will happen).

[SirCakez]

Prodding Revan

[tojam2]

@AS: Nope, I'm fine, I've played long enough now that when a game goes stale with pretty much found scum.

[tojam2]

Or you get a sharp increase in posts, but that's less often as scum finds it easier to lurk.

[Revan]

VOTE: GL

This is mafia 100%

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: GL

This is mafia 100%

You'd better have a good case in the next ~12 hours if you don't want to know what rope feels like.

[GuiltyLion]

@Revan @tojam2 @GuiltyLion @EccentricLemon

Any more thoughts to share?

Nah

[GuiltyLion]

@The people that want to lynch me today, who do you think my partner is?

This question has absolutely no pro-town purpose.

Revan is scum.

Actually I would like to take a sec and explain why S_S is right here and you shouldn't have answered this question. All this information does is help Revan's partner make a good NK to give them the best chance of winning. When you start talking about who you would like to lynch in future days, it gives scum hints about who they should kill and creates WIFOM over who stays alive. Always focus on today's target, and give snapshots of your reads to be transparent, but sometimes it's really anti-town to lay your cards down and show everyone exactly what you're thinking.

[Agent Sparkles]

@The people that want to lynch me today, who do you think my partner is?

This question has absolutely no pro-town purpose.

Revan is scum.

Actually I would like to take a sec and explain why S_S is right here and you shouldn't have answered this question. All this information does is help Revan's partner make a good NK to give them the best chance of winning. When you start talking about who you would like to lynch in future days, it gives scum hints about who they should kill and creates WIFOM over who stays alive. Always focus on today's target, and give snapshots of your reads to be transparent, but sometimes it's really anti-town to lay your cards down and show everyone exactly what you're thinking.

Fair enough, but at least town has my advice in case I get NK'ed.

[Sobolev Space]

A bit under 24 hours but:

VOTE: Revan

[Agent Sparkles]

Time to crash this party.

VOTE: Revan

[Agent Sparkles]

Good game, everyone. It was a fun ride.

[tojam2]

@AS, are you scum?

[tojam2]

As/GL maybe

[Sobolev Space]

Yea that's my guess. I'm pretty surprised Revan is town given his activity today.

[Agent Sparkles]

VOTE: VOTE: GuiltyLion

The name says it all, he's guilty and he's lion. Also keep an eye out for TriangleShark, because the triangle part implies he's working with the illuminati.

@kentofan @Bulbazoor

If I'm not mistaken, you'll be replaced if you don't confirm within the 72 hours.

[Agent Sparkles]

^that's called pro bussing

[Sobolev Space]

Damn. GGs scum