(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

[dramonic]

Hi

[dramonic]

Okay.

How do you think we should pair up?

I was thinking we might "elect" a townread who then gets to select someone of their choice to partner up with. The partner then selects someone for the second pair and so on until only one person is left.

I'm not sure how else we're going to have scum be unselected here?

This is a terrible plan~

we could vote to hammer a scumread.
and then that person isnt allowed to be partnered with someone.

and then if they try and partner themselves with someone really town, thats basically a scumclaim.

True but useless since we don't have a proper lynch mechanic.

actually yeah the idea of forcing generally scummy people to partner up earlygame is something id advocate for.

"Scum, pair up together so you can't end up alone and die!"
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN MAN!

[dramonic]

In the meantime

Get Kinky Wit-it: Podo

We need to talk mate.

EDIT: No, cuz they'll just pair up again? Unless I misread or something?

[dramonic]

Planning is for scum.

[dramonic]

I'm glad we had this talk

[dramonic]

Technically I'm not stopping you from executing your magical dreamworld plan.
I'm just gonna ignore it because I'd like the town to have a fighting chance.

EDIT: I'm interested in hearing why you expect scum to not just... ignore your deathwish?

[dramonic]

I'm gonna go on a limb and assume you haven't read the mechanics.

[dramonic]

@all-in

[dramonic]

We don't have to lynch scum at any point, we just have to be smarter than them.

[dramonic]

though I guess lynching scum is a nice bonus if it happens.

EDIT: Irrelevant.

[dramonic]

Yes.
Also let's clarify something right away

@Mod: If on day 2 nobody ends up alone because with 11 player including a single-slot pair we can build 4 pairs and a trio, what happens? Is it a no lynch or...?

[dramonic]

Well I'm swayed.
Legitimately.

[dramonic]

So we really don't have an actively-lynch mechanic, only actively-unlynch. and we somehow are supposed to isolate scum and make sure everyone else is partnered up

Not really, but sorta

[dramonic]

Man you guys are keeping it in your pants something awful

[dramonic]

There's a decentish chance thinkbig is dying today, there's a decentish chance (s)he flips scum, there's a decentish chance we're gonna overanalyze his book of love choice when we get to day 2.

[dramonic]

Im well aware, that doesn't mean it's not what we're looking at :p
We can't really "quicklynch" in this setup since everyone has to chime in (unless we start fucking the lurkers)

[dramonic]

I need to determine wether you didn't think this through or you're scum trying to shaft us.

[dramonic]

breaking our sequence by attempting to couple without permission is tantamount to a scumclaim.

Except we don't have a lynch or night actions so whatcha gonna do when they scumclaim, waddle your finger at them?

[dramonic]

"BAD SCUM, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU!"

[dramonic]

RULES:

7. There are no night actions. Factional abilities may be decided in the appropriate PT.

I maintain my point about you guys not reading =_=

[dramonic]

Considering two matches have already been made, the first question is PRETTY OBVIOUSLY ANSWERED

And sorry, not interested in giving a road map to scum.

[dramonic]

Hi, I'm speaking up about your poor assessment of certain aspects of the setup MoI!~

i mean. its overall an open setup. and im really struggling to see how certain aspects of it arent possible to abuse to the detriment of town in a really really terrible way.

Then look harder.

[dramonic]

You guys are apparently completely ignoring the fact that lover pairs that are commited with the book of love need to commit extra-marital kinky stuff every day or they

both

die.

[dramonic]

being bonded isn't a free-pass. If the couple doesn't get kinky in a day everyone in the couple dies. They count as a

solo

player.
Please read the rules properly before you spout nonsense <3

[dramonic]

If scum can pair within themselves, then at the very least they can force a draw, since they can never be "lynched" and I assume their night-kill is non-mandatory.

So two assumptions you have no reason to make given the set-up ...

Someone dies D1 -> bonded pair
someone dies N1 -> 11p including a bonded pair
2 people dies D2 and the bonded pair becomes a trio -> 3p + 5x 1p + 3 scum most likely.
If scumkill is mandatory they lose at that point.

Just stop Magna.

[dramonic]

3x 1p not 5x 1p
point stands.

[dramonic]

No, non-permanent lovers break up at night start.
That's ALSO in the opening post.

[dramonic]

No, non-permanent lovers break up at night start.
That's ALSO in the opening post.

nvm that part was a mod exchange. Albeit a really obvious one.

[dramonic]

2. Multiple players don't match. In which case we have an even number of players being lynched resulting in multiple players handing out Books of love meaning scum have at least one twosome to shoot for to being Day 3 on Odds.

Incorrect.
If multiple people die they decide as a group on a single book of love.

[dramonic]

I've made a clarification in the rules to fix the ambiguity. The rule now reads "Each day-phase will start with an odd-number of playerslots." That should fix confusion, if not, you can PM me to ask.

... so we get someone "lynched" D1, fall to 12, have a lover bond, fall to 11, and if scum shoots anyone we fall to 10 and they... lose?
Okay

[dramonic]

It would be really swell if I didn't have to hold yall's hand through the mechanics.

[dramonic]

Sorry, I just tend to assume someone who signs up for mechanic-heavy games makes sure to understand the mechanics before trying to play theorycrafter.
Not gonna make that mistake again I promise!~

[dramonic]

That was at MoI not at you Gork.

[dramonic]

I'm sure I'll find something else in your posts to be caustic about later

[dramonic]

It's number of playerslots, not number of players, so scum has to nokill actually.

[dramonic]

I'm not quite sure if MoI is turning into an asshole, if he was, or if this is him being scum and deciding that's how he's going to play this game.

MoI is probably town. He's just

really

unpleasant.

And we don't need to dig so much for claims and shit, thinkbig is probably scum and Fresh is balancing on a knife's edge. One thing at a time.

[dramonic]

What makes you think that MoI is town? What do you know that I don't?

I've played with MoI a lot.

podoboq, some players like Kuroi / MoI don't like that I don't talk much in games, so if I don't post like 5 or 6 times every page they get mad at me for not posting enough

I am one of these people too. I'm just trying to work on not scum reading people for stuff I dislike which isn't inherently scummy.

Okay but Kuroi trying to make me look scummy for this is pretty scummy, so scumread that

REEEEEEEED FLAAAAAAAAAAAGS

95% fullclaim

Can people not do that?
kthx.

[dramonic]

For a moment I thought your post was gonna be useful.
Can we get a different replacement for nn30?

[dramonic]

@TPTG: Can we WOTC a replacement? Is that a thing?

[dramonic]

I'm gonna start posting exclusively in french.

[dramonic]

Sil vous plait? Je suis d'accord avec ça!

Si ça peut te faire cesser d'écrire à la troisième personne...

[dramonic]

yay encore des aveux

[dramonic]

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[dramonic]

That doesn't work tho

[dramonic]

A man must catch up and tell me what he thinks!

A man is thinking you are a bit like Rach since you have but one hang up. As such he is likely needing you to make the move.

Get wit: Fresh

"I think you need to do the request"
*does the request himself*

ANYWAYS

Kuroi and Snarky need to match up.

[dramonic]

That request from Jaqen without preparing the second round does show us what a quality player he is though.

[dramonic]

actually the permanent lovers count as 1

playerslot

so scum can't kill anyone tonight.

And it's less about my hatred for Jaqen's posting and more about not synching with the non-kinkies to force the death onto a chosen target.
But I hate both.

[dramonic]

That request from Jaqen without preparing the second round does show us what a quality player he is though.

Really? This one is throwing poo on a man's game again just because you wish to not read in the second person?

In all fairness, mafia is a game about semantics and language, and you're insisting on destroying our standards of semantics and language. It makes it annoying to try to read.

Fuck me harder I can't take this sexiness.

[dramonic]

It's deceptive to the other players

You really think we'll listen to MoI's white noise?

[dramonic]

With age comes wisdom.
Or senility.

-v('_')v-

[dramonic]

that quick survivalistic attempt at kinkying snowman is a hard scumtell for me on kuroi. if a mislynch happens, make that couple lovers, please.

I'm so glad we're gonna have to baby you through yet another game.

[dramonic]

lolnope

[dramonic]

Nope? That's your defense? Nope?

yup

[dramonic]

hm.
Podo, wanna fuck again?
I'd like to discuss stuff with you.

[dramonic]

It's the principle behind it. Mechanics and rules should be made transparent.

Dude the game was transparently BROKEN for scum before that rule.

[dramonic]

And I mean, 95% of the mechanics are poorly explained, so I dunno why you're only bitching NOW

[dramonic]

get kinky with it: Podo

[dramonic]

way to fuck up a day guys.

[dramonic]

I was waiting to hear from All in, in our PT but have not heard from him, who is left?

Unless Gork or I deny the people requesting us, you and All-In are dead.

Its making the best of a terrible situation. Neither all-in nor rach is particularly town.
If I thought they were worth saving id have asked them to pair not you.

[dramonic]

if allinrach binds them.

[dramonic]

so scum gets a nightkill essentially only if book of love isnt used?

scum gets a nightkill if an even number of playerslots die during the day.

And, think this through really well- why would a man as scum be stepping in at the last second as scum to stop the tragedy of killing 2 townies in lieu of just one- especially in a game where town decides whether or not scum even get a NK? A man has seen your brilliance before Gork, just think this through.

cuz they're not town and you're stepping in to save your buddy.

Way to fucking go guys.

[dramonic]

Sorry dram, but for what it matters, we do have a cop-claim citing two innocent results on the two people up for rope.

A cop claim means jack shit in a setup where nobody gets killed off at night.

hell, I claim cop with an inno on podo and gork.
You can't prove it cuz there's no chance of them dying at night, only way to know is by

lynching the cop or the inno

We now have 6 confirmed town, someone else needs to claim cop real quick so we can have more unprovable stupidity going around!

[dramonic]

and if jaqen targets kuroi/snarky and claims theres two scum in there or something along those lines?
does it mean jack shit then?

yes?

Do you not understand how stupid it is that we supposedly have a cop in a setup where scum can't nightkill unless they get lynched right?
We could literally cop the entire list for the cost of 3 dead townies:

we have, if we believe the cop claim, 6 results. 1 cop, 1 dead, 1 scum (MoIGB), 3 town (rachallin + MoIGB).
if we for example lynch podo (7), gives the book to snarky-kuroi, no scumkill
snarkykuroi gets checked (9), we lynch me (10), give the book to MoI-DGB, no scumkill
you-shos bind and get checked (12), deduce Fresh based on other 12 results (13)

you, shos, jaqen, fresh, rachallin, MoIGB, KuroiSnarky alive with full setup outted.

lynch MoIGB, they give no book, scum kills rachallin

you, shos, jaqen, fresh, kuroisnarky

lynch whoever is scum in there, give no book, scum kills whoever.

3p endgame with outted scum.

This is a bullshit claim

[dramonic]

^ that's assuming kuroisnarky isnt a double-scum pair which would make it even more ~balanced~

[dramonic]

what if scum has an extra kill?
and tonight they drop two people?

hopefully I'm one of them.

[dramonic]

The only pair receiving the Book of Love tonight is MoIDGB where there is certain to be one scum. A man is astonished Dramonic's suggestion of suboptimal play isn't being called out.

A man apparently doesn't understand what an example is.

[dramonic]

then again, if you actually gave a fuck about suboptimal play you wouldn't be intentionally making your posts shitty to read.
So ya know, go fuck yourself.

[dramonic]

Except no. I have to read each of your post like 15 times to actually figure out what the fuck you're trying to say.

[dramonic]

@Mod: replace me. I wanna play mafia, not charades