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Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:30 am

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Valid nominations for this thread include games
ending
between January 1st, 2008 and December 31st, 2008.
See the second post for a list of currently valid awards; should a new category be needed/added, it will be open for nominations as well.

As usual, the nomination should be in the following format:
Nominate:
Playername

Award:
Awardname

Game:
[link]
Please provide a link, it makes the facilitator's job easier.

Someone can then second this nomination to have it made available to the judges. Thirding, etc is not necessary. Have fun!
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:11 am

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Nominations and seconds so far:
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:22 am

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Adel wrote:2. Pie E7 with a mafia roleblocker who has to choose between killing and blocking is broken for the town,
especially when the day 1 lynch is accurate for the town
.
True, but they do have to get the right lynch first... that takes some skill.
3. Self-nominations almost always fail on general principle.
True enough, but usually because no one will second. Let the judges sort it out...
You also might want to consider nominating the Category first. There isn't currently a separate award for Newbie towns, unless I seriously misread post 0 of this thread.
*shrug* I think you could mention it under the Pro-Town Oscar, if this category isn't the right fit (and it might not be unless both scum
were
the ICs, in which case it was all the more impressive of a win).
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Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:30 pm

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Nominate:
Jitsu
Award:
Best Newbie, or I could be convinced to go for Best Performance (Town) even...
Game:
Mini 518, Underground Mafia
I don't know if he's played anywhere else before, but this was his first game on this site. He not only played well enough to avoid being lynched *and* draw the Doc's protection successfully, he orchestrated a nigh-unbeatable endgame strategy for the town in the face of a double-Cop claim.

Nominate:
NabakovNabakov
Award:
Best Flavor Text
Game:
Mini 518, Underground Mafia
This is the most beautiful "Normal" game I have ever read, and persuaded me to join the first Mini Normal I ever played on this site. I don't regret that decision at all, even if NabNab is one disturbed SOB... :shock:
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Post Post #98 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:08 am

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There's no limitation on the number of nominations, guys, so long as someone finds the game/performance/player worth seconding. It makes the Judges' job a little harder, but I don't think it'll ever make it less likely that the best candidate will win.

Soon I'll get a list of nommed+seconded candidates into that second post... right after I get Newbie Queue up-to-date, and Replacement Queue, and Scummie images, and... :roll:
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Post Post #105 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:27 am

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Dead Rikimaru in the TF thread wrote:
Nominate Peers for "Informant".


Reason: When Peers claimed Mafia and Tarhalindur claimed wolf on Day 4 of Mafia 69 I was sure they would both be lynched on consecutive days.
That's not what happened. There were no crosskills in the game, so town decided to allow Peers to live and everytime a mafia nightkill failed he would point the target and it would reveal a probable werewolf.
It worked. The wolves were all found and killed and Peers, who CLAIMED MAFIA ON DAY 4, GOT LYNCHED ONLY ON DAY 8!
Someone claim Mafia is rare enough to be seen, let alone claim and still live for four days.:P
I'd rather see him get the Scummie for Best Manipulator/Oscar (Mafia) than a title for this, so consider this a nomination.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:32 am

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Okay, second post is updated. I've
abused my power as thread creator
taken some liberties in organizing the awards, and I'm not recording fourths/fifths/eighty-sevenths except in extraordinary circumstances 9such as the argument over Newbie 520).

I think it would be best if Best Performance ("Oscar") went to a group effort, now that we have both the Paragon of Mafia Hunters and Don Corleone awards (plus Best SK). So far, I've organized nominations that way, to avoid too much repetition...

Also, I officially
second Scruffs as Best Replacement (Mod) for Mafia 71
- I think that suits what he brought to that game better than the other categories.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:44 am

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Mr Stoofer wrote:
Nominate: Thestatusquo

Award: Funniest player

"Game": this post.
I wanna see a fight for this award, so I simultaneously
second TSQ for Funniest Player
, and nominate DGB as a challenger.

The primary reason, if you haven't guessed, is that she's the instigator of the Great Nibbler Takeover of 2008: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7695
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Post Post #113 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:57 am

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Guardian wrote:Flay, I really don't like how you organized the awards. Your view of what the awards mean is very different from mine :(.

Done Corleone and Paragon shouldn't go to anyone for one game!
Okay, fair enough, and I can reorganize things if that's the general sentiment (I'm pretty sure it was the original sentiment behind Paragon, anyway).

...but the
facts on the ground
are that people tend to get nominated for one game
and one game only
. Which tends to make the Oscar and Paragon/Corleone awards, as previously given, fairly redundant. And it makes it awfully difficult to compare the performance of "The Town of Mini XXX" with "ABR in Mafia YY". And that doesn't even get into how to award the Oscar for Best Newbie, which was a first-time award last year (there was also a Best New Player)

What about:
  • Best Performance by a Team
    (one awarded, to a Town or Mafia, as a group)
  • Best Performance by an Individual (Pro-Town)
    (individual game)
  • Best Performance by an Individual (Scum)
    (could fold SK into this, but for an individual game)
  • Paragon of Mafia Hunters
    (individual, must be at least three games)
  • Most Cunning Manipulator
    (individual, must be at least two games)
There are definitely differences between games where one person dominates the game, and games where an entire team gels and works together amazingly well.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:55 am

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gorckat wrote:
Best Performance by a Team (one awarded, to a Town or Mafia, as a group)
The
Good Fellas
scummy? Or is that too mafia slanted?

What kind of town would qualify...
I would leave that entirely up to the Nominators and Judges... I don't think we should try to define who
should
win here (that's the Judges' job), just who
could
win (i.e. be nominated).

I'll reorganize the second post in a second...
Second post reorganized. I definitely like that better, thanks for the criticism. :)
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Post Post #122 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:32 am

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Oman wrote:No, we've decided not to award mediocrity.
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Post Post #127 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:41 am

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I don't see what the point of the award would be, though. I mean, "Cassandra Award" basically rewards being unable to convince the town of your corrrectness, but it's so funny/ironic that it probably stands on its own merits. Bad logic is just...
dumb
, though, right?

We used to have a "Most Likely to be Lynched Day One" but ditched it...
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Post Post #134 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:04 am

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mith wrote:Also, I am considering having two sets of judges, with the awards split between them, to avoid the judges-being-nominated problem entirely.)
I expect with the size of the site these days, you'd have very little trouble picking judges after January 15th (or whatever the cut-off is for noms) that weren't seconded for anything. Unless you have some sort of Secret Squirrel algorithm for picking judges...

Max: It sounds like what you're talking about is the new "Don Corleone" Award (Most Cunning Manipulator). I thought you were talking about "insulting" logic in the sense of incoherent rambling, laughable strategies/ploys, etc...

Guardian: I could see someone who replaces in repeatedly (and well) being nominated for either Best Replacement or Behind the Scenes. BTS has a fairly small pool of candidates, as things stand right now (mostly List Mods, mith, JEEP, and maybe some wikifanatics). I look forward to mith's finalized list of awards, though...
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Post Post #169 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:16 am

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Imat wrote:Would it be possible to add an award for
Most Noncommittal Townie
or something like that?
Oman wrote:No, we've decided not to award mediocrity.
Awesome Pants wrote:Was just procrastinating and noticed a funny newbie game. There's not exactly a category that it'd fall into, but anyway..

Nominate
: The (majority of the) town/scum of Newbie 537

Award:
Worst played overall/Funniest (?)

Game:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7141

The doc claim of 'I'M A DOC' in twighlight on night one did it for me.
I'm pretty sure WH was just taking the piss in that game... :roll: Nothing to encourage there.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #14) » Sun May 18, 2008 5:25 am

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Object or oppose? Object implies a procedural error... oppose means you wouldn't want him to get the award.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:45 am

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It's not the
Hardest Working SK
Scummy. It's not the
SK with the Best Thought Processes
Scummy. It's
Best SK
- and gambling page 1 and having it pay off big, even in a swingy setup like AITP, deserves credit where it's due. If the moderator had rolled a d20 and given Oman the name of a King if it came up 1, that'd be different...

I'll second Oman's nomination.
- there, now the judges can deal with it.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:26 am

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Claus wrote:Hmmm, I just noticed that the first page needs some updating - there are a lot of missing nominations there.
Yeah, this thread has been WAY Down on my list of priorities; if somebody wants to quote and update the first post, I'll be glad to post it back to the first page, but I don't have time right now.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:07 am

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hasdgfas wrote:
Lord Gurgi wrote:Why is there no Bus Driver award for best bus?
Why wouldn't that fall under "Best performance: scum" or "most cunning manipulator" or something else we already have?
This.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:00 am

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petroleumjelly wrote:I guess I could go back through the thread and include oppositions to nominations. *shrug*
I wouldn't bother. The judges can read over this thread for more data (which is assuming none of them will have read it already, something I find unlikely).

Thanks for that updated list! I've been way too busy to keep up with this thread this year... :cry: But
when you get done
as you work through the pages, I will copy your list to the first post, with credit. :D
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Post Post #621 (isolation #19) » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:37 am

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So the above post is all 25 pages? Good gods, man, you're making me look
bad
worse!
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Post Post #630 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:22 am

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Alright, second post is accurate as of PJ's post 619, Dec 09, 2008 11:48 pm edit. I did some minor cleanup, so we can probably go forward without full quotation...
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Post Post #632 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:57 am

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I didn't say it was accurate, I said it was accurate as of PJ's post. I'll try to integrate stuff since then today.

Meanwhile, I still don't know if Elmo wants Best Role Claim or Funniest Role Claim. Get him in the thread to clarify...
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Post Post #716 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:49 pm

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I'd like to suggest some ICs, but I'm on vacation until the 10th. Can you hold off a few extra days?
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Post Post #742 (isolation #23) » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:45 pm

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Oman wrote:
Glork wrote:That would be more appropriate for the 2009 scummies, considering the post was made in 2009.
Well, I figured its still open here. If the judges/mith wants to push it to a 2009 nom, thats cool with me.
Nominations are still open, but the eligibility period is fixed.

As for ICs...
  • JDodge did a good job ICing in NG 512.
  • NabakovNabakov did a pretty good job in a losing effort in NG 518.
  • Kison nailed NG 551 to the wall, helping end the Pie E7 experiment.
  • Muerrto gave a good performance in NG 560.
  • Guardian gave especially good post-game commentary in NG 576.
  • Ripley was murderously good as a Townie in NG 609.
  • VRK gave a solid performance in NG 672, and not a bad job (albeit a losing effort) in NG 619. He also gives IC-like advice post-game when he moderates (too many games to mention).
  • populartajo played well in NG 556.
I'm not nominating any of those tonight, but if other people want to look over the games those players ICed in 2008, it's at least a starting point. I was really disappointed in many of the ICs this year flaking out or flipping out...

I will, however,
nominate Norinel for best IC, for NG 609, NG 623, and NG 650
. Good adaptive playstyle and explanation of thought-processes, there... not bad for being gone a couple of years. ;)

Also, I'm a big enough fan of
Pie
's behavior in
NG 622
to
nominate
her for
Best Newbie
. Even though her access seems to have slipped away, she played a good game, particularly as laid out in this post-game post.
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