Large Normal 205: Sibling's Love and Quarrel [Endgame]

[Zachstralkita]

Okay... Lies are things that not true. If the joke relies on something that isn't true it also is a lie to? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

If you say that, get me lynched and retract it after it's not a joke. It becomes you gamethrowing because you passed a certain point where it was acceptable.

MOST PEOPLE can decide what is a joke or not. I'm the only person you've actually pressed about this. Why? Most people probably see kraska's post as a joke too but they don't have to explain that, lol.

So explain the term- A joke taken too far?
Would you consider me getting you lynched as a joke was a joke taken too far?

Okay, if most people can decide if it's a joke I decide it's not.

Why would she get so angry for me pushing her for it? Why do you feel Im in the wrong for pushing her for it given what I know?

Because gamethrowing is not a joke bro

If you fake lynch someone you say its fake BEFORE they die other wise you throw the game if you're town. This scenario is clearly different as were the fake guilties Day 2


She got angry probably because you just said "Lynch Kraska" a lot (you were already... you were already pushing her for a long time)... on top of the other shit in this game that people generally don't like reading, I actually don't see a reason for town!kraska to not get pissed off if you pushed on her the way you did. (because the pr claim would again, be a joke)


I feel you're in the wrong because you've started your operation off the wrong assumptions and you branch out on me for DEFENDING someone. That's a sign of conf bias.

So Vedith:

If kraska is scum you've pushed her for the wrong reasons and you yanked me into this shit for no reason when that was ALREADY a townread of mine, so you scumread me for excessive defense when really I was just doing what came natural.

Except if she's town like I say, what changes for you in terms of reads?.... I was trying to work with you low key. This is probably the scenario we're in

[Zachstralkita]

Also Vedith keep in mind what you claimed.... you didn't at all think at the scum motivation for the play. What incentive is there for scum!Zach to defend scum!kraska when she has one vote lol?? If she was a scum PR? If so then that's where your shot should go if you still scumread k77, and it would lock us both scum if kraska were a power role because she claimed that she wasn't... That's how you solve your conflict. Target me if you want. I've tried to work with you read wise

[Zachstralkita]

Cunt is the word they use for everything in Britain lol, Vedith is just super mad. No one forced u to be toxic tho

Lol Steel probably laughing it up

Mister Steel is v/LA so we dont touch the motherfucker is talking now, LAMO

[Zachstralkita]

im really shaking from anger

just take a break itll probably be fine after you get here

[Zachstralkita]

He could have discoursed with me cause I wasn't using anything but logic, instead he finds 80 ways to flame kraska lol

[Zachstralkita]

It isn't that funny. That's the worst I've seen him act, he's normally pretty chill even when he was abrasive before. This game has THAT much more shit now

[Zachstralkita]

lmao cant wait til nos reads the moment where I spazzed out real quick

[Zachstralkita]

And I'm another 30 pages behind. I'll read a bit.

Oh sweet Lord

[Zachstralkita]

I don't buy the dumbtell but I'm not exactly rejecting it either?

claiming you don't have a hippocampus is not a "dumbtell".. I don't think.

[Zachstralkita]

I obviously take care to remember my alignment in every game I'm not stupid lol

LMFAO BOONSKII AINT REMEMEBER THO

[Zachstralkita]

Lol Zach what are you going to do if it turns out Elena is not IC and she claims Macho Roleblocker or Neapolitan

Running the hands w/Elena on sight and you next

[Zachstralkita]

Rolefishing is happening again.

are you reading



mod action will supposedly reveal Elena's full role

honestly though wyd when carca comes in and drops the best scum case of all time that has the entire scum team nailed dead to rights

aye WYD when Nos flawless wins as scum because he forget who his partners are

[Zachstralkita]

Imagine if Elena is scum and is claiming innocent child in the hopes we would believe her and quickhammer NArna

Lily will save us all!

Hopefully..

The youth is the only hope!

LMAO FAXXXXXXXXXx

Can't imagine actually losing IRL over a game lol let alone mafia

you be surpriiiiiiiiiiised lol If I told you some things. how people are emotionally affects how this game is a lot

[Zachstralkita]

Lmaoo y'all are weird

Aye I'm bout to run up on Uzi man. Remember I seen this mf and he looked like if Shaggy from Scooby Doo had 1 G in his name instead of 2

[Zachstralkita]

He was probably wearing some Balmain tho so I can't really hate

[Zachstralkita]

kraska, really bad vibe. You're a very enjoyable player

[Zachstralkita]

Vedith is one of a kind tbh

[Zachstralkita]

Don't know what this is, but truth be told Vedith should be clearing me pretty soon barring a few circumstances.











I'm nearly certain scum have an RB or some sort of JOAT, by the way.


Scum's in Steel/Nos/WM/CLilly. I don't think kraska can be in a scumslot.

VOTE: Nosferatu

How sure are you on this one over Steel?

[Zachstralkita]

Cause I'll sheep you I think you've actually been more on point than I have. But Nos has produced far more than Steel

[Zachstralkita]

This Zach lynch sucks pretty hard

Gonna need u to just break out the armor and white knight me bro, Creature has been scumreading me since 1993

[Zachstralkita]

clearly there's a mafia role that will scan guilty to V

imo only traitor scanning guilty to V wouldn't be feasible imo

I have a fairly decent guess on what type of role that is. Dw




I don't think Steel is clear. Tell me abt Nos read

[Zachstralkita]

I see Rolecop like a sensor imo. Only there to catch out lies on claims.
Scum claim VT - BAM! Like fuck you are!

But it's plausible that there's a more unique scum role in the game. Although I think only Strongman is alignment indication in normal, right?

If I was going to check Zach, and he was scum PR I would have probably been killed, and the reason for me being a PR alone could have been accepted.
But I decided I think Zach is town anyway.

We've had a Traitor flip. It's one possibility the mafia were given a role to help ID their traitor since it's likely they didn't know who he was.

But based off of what I know of the setup there's several different scenarios we could be in WRT the power that scum have. Your role isn't as low util as you imply it is either way.

i iso'd steel and his like progression looks genuine as fuck

I think I disagree, it seemed rather muddled to me. When I thought he was townier at one point it wasn't for this, moreso like his transparency and tone. But I'm realizing tone isn't all that AI

Quote some of Nos floundering?



I've already said how I feel about Carca. I think she's a waste of a lynch. Want me to go quote the post?










Scum had no real reason to not shoot EF. I think they suspect track/watch in play or they're doing weird NKs.

[Zachstralkita]

Like Clilly is at the end of the pool for me atm.

[Zachstralkita]

I mean there's one or two scum in Nos/Steel so I'm fine with sheeping you because your reads are better I think. I was just interested on what was your best option for today.




How do you not see any of Steel's non-committal play or indifference being scummy, by the way? Omitting V/LA.

[Zachstralkita]

I feel like I've only been town reading Zach for his effort.

Like... as opposed to what though? Towns been mislynching the whole game, not just me, and we finally hit yesterday. I've been playing.


are you like, lynching me cause I'm not one of the fancy clears. ouch.



Uzi is rolling over in the grave rn man, LMAOOO

[Zachstralkita]

Lily will save us all!

Hopefully..

The youth is the only hope!

The youth is the only hope!

FACTS

[Zachstralkita]

alright

i think
steel

might
be town

and i maybe
LOWKEY

JUST MAYBE

MIGHT HAVE HAD ZERO CORRECT READS THIS WHOLE GAME

JSUT A CHANC CE

Except you've now managed to grasp my attention

VOTE: Nos

[Zachstralkita]

and actually, if you're legitimately paranoid of me zach, you would not think there's ONE scum in Steel/Nos

you'd think we're both scum

CAUSE THE INTERACTION IS ACTUALLY IDENTICAL TO THE SCUM/SCUM FIGHT ME AND MULCH HAD THE ENTIRETY OF LARGE 203

I mean I am though


Didn't I say one or both

[Zachstralkita]

Why am I in there for voting you


Why is the fucking enabler in there

[Zachstralkita]

So my D1 scumreads really never changed, I got confident, and whenever I doubt myself, it's usually a mistake, so obviously the one time I actually believe *sparkles* in my self I'm dead fucking wrong. So, coolio.

D1 scum reads --> {Steel (prob town), Kraska (??), Kaboose (Town)}

So I don't really know what to think about k7*11 any more so I guess I'll have to re-read that shit ughhh

As to why I'm rethinking the steel read, is that we approached our reads on one another almost the exact same way at day start, and unless I'm thinking like a scumfuck right now idk how that's scum!steel

Going to need your assistance in explaining the most vague post ever


How exactly does the way the reads went about change the merit/content of them...?





How is kraska a ??? for you at this point

also when did that happen exactly, I see people saying she softed without actually saying when that happened

nothing special you know just the post where she went



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Why am I in there for voting you

how is this townclearing you tho

I was assuming I would have been but I guess not

[Zachstralkita]

I was midway through you fleshing out your Steel read yesterday and you pop up today and locktown him and now I'm PoE. I understand the re evaluating reads because flips were wrong. I still don't think your progression is justified with Steels actual content, more so like the way he did things




Also I wasn't going to be clear for voting you, I was supposed to already have been clear but we're not doing that today apparently

[Zachstralkita]

I was midway through you fleshing out your Steel read yesterday and you pop up today and locktown him and now I'm PoE. I understand the re evaluating reads because flips were wrong. I still don't think your progression is justified with Steels actual content, more so like the way he did things
Also I wasn't going to be clear for voting you, I was supposed to already have been clear but we're not doing that today apparently

1. I didn't have Steel locktown yesterday. I wanted him dead. You stopped asking me about steel yesterday midway through. More than welcome to continue today.

Yeah today you locktowned him and yesterday I'm pretty sure I was waiting on you for something

do you wanna do that hole cross examining thing with me zach

my thoughts lack direction and even if you're scum I can at least get something from that.

I'd enjoy the prospect of blatantly misdirecting you, but I actually am the one whose thoughts lack direction here

I'll be able to do this at some point

[Zachstralkita]

on the real I've not read any of his posts seriously in a while. Do you want to post some links to those townie pings?

I'll look at his catch up later.

I mean we can resume the ★

cross examination

★ by you doing this lol



I had asked for your thoughts on his catch up and you never gave them to me. I was trying to probe deep into that SR cause aside from Day 1 you didn't post that strongly on it at the time. Then you just pull the fucking rug from under me today lmao

Zach in the scumteam looking for crumbs?

I mean you missed about three of us quoting that yesterday and you missed like two people hard claiming yesterday. not surprised that your reads are in this state if you don't really read the game

Zach in the scumteam looking for crumbs?

I mean he didn't apparently see it until yesterday where his read 180'd.

Nah I caught it before, my read didn't really 180. I had to keep her in my scum pool so people wouldn't ask me to explain why I townread that slot.


If I pushed there it really wasn't ever in serious capacity


You know people kept asking me to tell them why Elena shouldn't get roped because they couldn't get a fucking macho man randy savage crumb... led to her being outed when everyone could have just shut up

[Zachstralkita]

on the real I've not read any of his posts seriously in a while. Do you want to post some links to those townie pings?

I'll look at his catch up later.

I mean we can resume the ★

cross examination

★ by you doing this lol
I had asked for your thoughts on his catch up and you never gave them to me. I was trying to probe deep into that SR cause aside from Day 1 you didn't post that strongly on it at the time. Then you just pull the fucking rug from under me today lmao

think i can remember that shit? i actually have zero short term memory. literally none. its gone. i do not possess a hippocampus. if i dont make the effort to store something to LTM i wont remember.

ty for reminder tho

my bad




















I forgot

[Zachstralkita]

Steel, can you break down your reads in the Fringes and ??? tier some more? I know your position on jjh more or less. How does Uzi and Kaboose D2 play factor into your read there.. and what do you think about Wake's... incident.?

I was getting to it, I haven't yet looked at the VC and thought of the course of action for right now yet and there's still all of what's been said since I got back and I don't look forward to reading this mulch vs kaboose.

One-off things as what wake did I try to avoid reading too much into and my experience has them as rarely AI, in fact they are potentially better to ignore rather than get distracted as small things biases one away from the big picture of a player. I've not yet ISO'd wake today but my impression is he hasn't done scumhunting or shown an attempt to solve the game, and to pick on one post from one person as a slip really doesn't count as it's very minimal and entirely easy to do compared to attempting to figure out the whole game and interacting with it all. I think he said he would pick it up on d2 because he wanted to work with a flip or something but unless I missed that I don't remember seeing anything convincing from him.

VOTE: Narna

This may sound odd, but I suspect his problems with everyones pushes are scum inspired. As though he can say the common pushes and scumreads are bad because from his view he knows they're onto town.
Though he complains about how things go he doesn't really push his alternatives much either, and when I do look at his votes I can't fathom LQ d1 vote and chickadee still seems to be on her d1 voting both sides of me and nosferatu thing.

Now that I think of it I've also had that same kind of issue with nosferatu earlier on d1.

As for JJ wagon again, my feelings aren't strong enough to justify defending him too much and I'd be interested in hearing more from him as well. Just I ask do not rush this as the LQ wagon was rushed yesterday and not given any time.

What may be a likely response for a person in his position if he is as disinterested in the game as he says is often a replace out, even though he said he didn't wish to earlier. In that case or if he does get more into the game as a response to the wagon, I would re-evaluate him again based on that.

yeah that and this stuff actually interested me now I have to dissect SteelNos it's like my best chance at doing something here

[Zachstralkita]

ACTUALLY LIKE WTF WHY DO ALL THESE POTENTIAL SCUM NOT KILL KNOWN CRUMBS

Was gonna say this, we're getting worked by fucking idiots.











then I realize you are possibly one of the idiots and you're not an idiot because you've been smart


and we're not getting worked by idiots because they've been

winning the game

so yes, at a loss

[Zachstralkita]

I'm gonna be the one to actually put this out there in the mean time while the cross examination is ongoing --

What if Wake88 thing was completly NAI

Who here has played with scum Wake

Is Carca town for anyone?

Yeah I think I can actually read Carca. Lol

Is Carca town for anyone?

NOT FOR ME.

you little fuck

Ok I have a confession to the general public can I take a moment

I... don't think the really shitty way Carca posts is entirely AI. We just stomped her into the ground no questions asked when she was scum last game, I read her so easy



But I'm getting different vibes here. I really just peeped and when we were bitching at her to post content and finish the catch up today, she's basically like "uhh what do you want me to do?" "Ummm I can't post rn" *posts something tangentially unrelated, gets scumread more*. That's such derpy fucking play. It reads so innocuous

I feel like there would be an active attempt at defense here.. . She just gives off the air of being innocent



Because by all rights she should be dead right now for that fucking posting, and the fact that she doesn't appear worried is pretty telling to me. When we got her as scum last game she genuinely panicked and was just saying dumb shit I'm not getting the same exact vibes here at all. Like I'm sorry but that reads list is not one that scum fakes. It literally looks like names in hat to me but I read some of Carca's posts and realize she probably just analyzes behind the scenes and only presents a small part of whatever she drew. I don't think is entirely made up

[Zachstralkita]

The youth is the only hope!

[Zachstralkita]

Don't know what this is, but truth be told Vedith should be clearing me pretty soon barring a few circumstances.

Explain this. How would Vedith be clearing you from his role cop?

I hope you hit your shin on the corner of a wall or a doorframe where it really fucking hurts

[Zachstralkita]

Don't know what this is, but truth be told Vedith should be clearing me pretty soon barring a few circumstances.

Explain this. How would Vedith be clearing you from his role cop?

I hope you hit your shin on the corner of a wall or a doorframe where it really fucking hurts

No, seriously.

My answer is shut up and your concerns will resolve themselves

[Zachstralkita]

Carc seemed scum from my brief skim of Narna's ISO, but I doubt anyone supports me there

Good observation.. Carc seems scum she plays as "lynch me" all alignments

thats a read I have to sink my teeth in to re-evaluate... but I just think Trans is wrong atm lmao

But notwithstanding, her play this game has towned to me given the context and how the whole game as flowed -- I'll admit that she's done mostly shit which brings me to..

You guys do realize no content is not equivalent to not town

I mean interestingly enough this applies a decent amt to Carca

rofl

[Zachstralkita]

Hmmm wow I need the jeopardy music for this one hang on

[Zachstralkita]

Just so you know, I'm going to be legitimately confbiased on her until someone makes a decent town case that doesn't involve the actions of flipped ass scum.

I mean I have a... admittedly sort of meta-ish case there that you don't care about either but I havent done a good job of town casing that... huh... i guess you want me to become Whiteknightstralkita... that would be a doozy.

Let me think on it

[Zachstralkita]

Is Carca town for anyone?

Unelss Narna bussed day 1 as a traitor when the scum could nightkill him if he played too much like town, Carca is town

if you get NK'ed as a traitor don't you get recruited?

No I can't tell if you're attempting at dumbtelling or not





This isn't like.. normals vary in how they treat Traitors... narna flipped Bulletproof. his bulletproof has to serve a purpose.

[Zachstralkita]

Why is Zach town?

Question of the century huh?








im sure creature sleep at night thinking about this shit

[Zachstralkita]

you can't talk in scumchat while dead so I don't see what the point of that is

Eh, I don't really think I buy this. Sometimes when nightkilled instead of being killed they join the chat.

I have never seen this happen

[Zachstralkita]

Steel
Zachstralkita
Nosferatu
kraska77
WhyMafia


Here's the thing though. Vedith is town, Transcend is town, Creature is town, Carcalilly is town. Chicadee softing so early makes them most likely town. Elena is confirmed town.

This means that there are 3 scum in this pile.


Steel
Zachstralkita
Nosferatu
kraska77
WhyMafia

Congratulations Mulch you said like what I and 8 others already did, but you just added my name to the pool of scum

Zach, why are you town?

I'm pretty obv town bro <3 don't blow my high

My other response to this involve insulting the way you play town or complaining how people read me LMAO

Zach, why are you town?

I want to sort out this steel thing with zach but I'm down with this
VOTE: why

I read your thing gonna post few thoughts in a bit

[Zachstralkita]

No actually, why are you town? Serious answer not meme answer.

That's not a meme answer my guy

[Zachstralkita]

I know I say this all the time...but massclaim? Thoughts?

You're dumb as are your reads


Why am I even scumread




That's the question that you answer

[Zachstralkita]

Nosfetatu I agree with your 6369 besides the jj part(obv)


And the last part

[Zachstralkita]

Like I thought Steel was running around shit with those paragraphs

[Zachstralkita]

1) Your in a group of 5 people where 3 are mafia

2) You tried to pocket me and haven't really had any doubt about me being scum after I dominated you last game

3) You led us to a mislynch

4) You haven't done anything towny all game


To be completely honest I haven't even read many of your long wall posts because I detest the formatting and I don't understand half the stuff you say but there's nothing here that indicates lock town like the status you've given.

1) The group is 4. I am not in it


2) How is town reading you pocketing you. I think I've tried to not interact with you directly this game. I don't know what you read but it's not this game.


Oh you admit later you don't read my posts in which they're explained your scum game in 203 is EXACTLY how I came to my read on you in this one


3) and... and...? I'm not the only person who scumread him. I also can't make 8 votes by myself. Weren't u on LQ lmao


4) ...False.

[Zachstralkita]

[Zachstralkita]

The thing is we have 3 mislynches so we might have auto? Unless Vedith or Carcalilly are a deep wolf.

zach has caught several crumbs and has outed such to the town. He could've just kept it to himself and killed them.

It actually completely blows me no one thinks I've done anything in this game lol. Mulch even admitted to not reading my posts which is why he scumreads me for nonsense

I tried to make it so Elena didn't have to out as IC all that led to was Elena having to out because Occam's razor says scum will make suboptimal plays and people care about lynch all liars still




I do t think creature understands how myany mislynchs we have

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, vote WhyMafia with us.

computing

Hey Nosferatu



was your emotion WRT Steel genuine Day 1? Or should I strangle you with a violin string

[Zachstralkita]

I swear Carcalilly be walking in this game like she getting sometihng out the fridge LMAO

[Zachstralkita]

whymafia

[Zachstralkita]

What do you have to say re:Nosferatu

[Zachstralkita]

And why didnt you say it when he said something... like you don't care about responding to him

[Zachstralkita]

I think we should lynch Kraska. Their shade on Vedith is inexcusable and I literally still have not seen an answer to any of the qualms they had earlier. And as a bonus if they are scum we get great connections too

Im just gonna look at this for a while maybe have a cup of tea or something

[Zachstralkita]

Why did you originally SR her again?

[Zachstralkita]

Because I have no clue why you even would.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm blacklisting mulch after this game. Apparently finding someone who callsd me "cunt" earlier intolerable is ate

This is still way out of porportion, I don't get it.

Not really.

why did you want to lynch me instead of him

I already said i think you're scum. Why are you acting like me wanting to lynch you over vedith today is somehow compromise?

im not. im saying you clearly have so much more beef with vedith, so why are you sidelining him to go for your invisible beef with me.

you're doing the thing, Nos.

[Zachstralkita]

what thing tho

The "having priority on your scumreads based on the game is scummy" thing

[Zachstralkita]

I mean there kind of was a wagon tho. With 7 maj, 2-3 votes is starting a wagon. IIRC Transcend started Nos, then I voted there.

what thing tho

The "having priority on your scumreads based on the game is scummy" thing

well no

i think its fine having priority

just if it makes sense

Okay... ummm.. let's get into this






Also... elaborate on what you see as scum theatre again?

[Zachstralkita]

i think its fine having priority

just if it makes sense

Yo didn't you snap at Steel Day 1 for saying what you said to kraska just now?


Actually... you did like... an inverse version of that cause he pushed you for not moving your vote on something.... that's why this shit is pinging me..

Spoiler:

Nosferatu I'll have you know that vote would remain yet had it shown signs of going anywhere. As for your meta as you call it, methinks even if you are town I'd have no remorse being rid of that.

you're willing to policy lynch someone because they didn't vote another when you thought they would?

No, but I would feel no remorse if I ended up misreading someone whose self described meta is to be useless both alignments.

That's no where near what I said. If I vote creature right now would he get lynched? No. Will more people start voting him? No. So your beef with me is about me not wasting my time.

And now you are backing out of this shittily while misrepping my meta and saying "oh well he's useless anyway"

Nosferatu I'll have you know that vote would remain yet had it shown signs of going anywhere. As for your meta as you call it, methinks even if you are town I'd have no remorse being rid of that.

you're willing to policy lynch someone because they didn't vote another when you thought they would?

He appears constantly but never does anything. If it was 5 pages in there would be a reason for it, but at 28 and actively reading he has no reason not to try solving the game.

He didn't vote creature after 518 and took no interest in the wagon on him. This is classic obvscum.

why would I unvote scum, to vote scum? That makes no sense. Creature being scum has nothing to do with Mulch being scum. We're not moving for a lynch, so I don't see why an immediate vote change is necessary.

If you are confident someone is scum, why not move to lynch them?

I disagree with the use of the phrase "move to lynch" here. My scum reads mentioned are nulling out right now, but even if I had absolute certainty in the probability of Mulch or Creature flipping scum, I wouldn't want them to be lynched right now in this instant. I don't think the game has progressed any further.

But back on topic, the game just isn't at a point where I need to vote them to get a lynch, so 9/10 times, I won't move my vote unless the one I just had is no longer necessary. Me not moving a vote to someone else is NAI I do it as either town or scum. It's just a really lazy policy I have.

Wait, no diss bro am I like.. supposed to assume you forgot...?


Or is this not relevant cause I kinda see it as relevant

[Zachstralkita]

You made that post while I was in that motherfucker, I wasn't going to just not let it happen

[Zachstralkita]

stop adding 50 billion spaces and maybe you'll post faster

I'll

remember

to next time

[Zachstralkita]

inb4 Zach is scum and doing the spaces stuff to discourage people to read them

discourage people to read them

my guy have you ever read any of your posts at all

[Zachstralkita]

Lmao Nos you can flame me but I'm sorry like... memory jokes are an untapped market





Ask Dunn what my weakness is besides spacing

[Zachstralkita]

Ok, my deal with "idk which of my scumreads die there's no priority" is all fine and dandy most of the time, but it starts to weaken as days go on cause like, scum has prs. I generally don't hunt for them any more but if I feel like one person's more important to the team than another, they get more priority. This also follows for associative reads. If you have an associative read on multiple people, e.g. my scumreads d1, steel would be higher priority.

So basically yeah priority hinges upon how much that player cripples scum or helps you get validity for your other reads. I didn't have associative reads for most of d1 so i was shit talking priority yeah.

As for the scum theatre here, I don't think kraska's attitude toward vedith matches her actions, and thus I'm starting to think they might be scumbuds trying to clear the other by just attacking the fuck out of each other

Wait you think all of that shit they did was theatre? That's a rather bold claim


By actions you mean her voting patterns? How effectively would you say kraska's play in and of itself correlates to your read there too?

[Zachstralkita]

her play minus vedith

[Zachstralkita]

Ok, my deal with "idk which of my scumreads die there's no priority" is all fine and dandy most of the time, but it starts to weaken as days go on cause like, scum has prs. I generally don't hunt for them any more but if I feel like one person's more important to the team than another, they get more priority. This also follows for associative reads. If you have an associative read on multiple people, e.g. my scumreads d1, steel would be higher priority.

So basically yeah priority hinges upon how much that player cripples scum or helps you get validity for your other reads. I didn't have associative reads for most of d1 so i was shit talking priority yeah.

As for the scum theatre here, I don't think kraska's attitude toward vedith matches her actions, and thus I'm starting to think they might be scumbuds trying to clear the other by just attacking the fuck out of each other

Wait you think all of that shit they did was theatre? That's a rather bold claim

To clarify when I say bold claim.. I mean like.. I can't even say I'm high because I'm relatively sober but that idea of that being theatre makes me want to convulse





But you say it relatively certainly which gives me pause, I don't know if scum!you would like boldly lie about that just so you could scumread there. It makes me think you actually believe it

Then again I mean you buddied the fuck out of the last game and I died but I really... I've just been trying to hide that reading you is an enigma low key

[Zachstralkita]

To clarify when I say bold claim.. I mean like.. I can't even say I'm high because I'm relatively sober but that idea of that being theatre makes me want to convulse
But you say it relatively certainly which gives me pause, I don't know if scum!you would like boldly lie about that just so you could scumread there. It makes me think you actually believe it

well im literally the 2nd coming, so my word is law, and thus im fairly certain of everything.

I actually sold my soul though so this doesnt have remotely the intended effect but yeah I feel you g




You'd think there's some benefit to selling your soul, but it actually kinda sucks unless you get like that Deal Or No Deal type of shit. I'm a literal meme in several demonic circles. I can't even go to heaven, like to visit, I can't even go. I didn't get anything useful like money power or fame. I got memes. I have meme in my bloodstreme. You know you can't even smoke in hell cause you be catching on fire instantly or some shit. I swear that's just me like thy did it to fuck with me

[Zachstralkita]

and i was reading the sidenotes from all these scholars and they were like "satan speaks in confusing metres to mess with his victims"

the man actually convinced eve to backstab her man like she was a fucking tf2 spy by literally varying the syllables in his sentences

he's actually a fucking g

Man I didn't even deal with Satan directly I was fuckin with like his 89th secretary some asshole that died in the civil war from gangrene






Prolly why I got skimped :/

[Zachstralkita]

whymafia

Zach

What do you have to say re:Nosferatu

And why didnt you say it when he said something... like you don't care about responding to him

When your dad say he's going to get cigarettes then disappears for fourteen years

[Zachstralkita]

I'm literally just trying to use your bars man

You know how a Bagel Bite is a hot round...







And after you your BAE GON BITE on a HOT ROUND

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Nosferatu

I don't have time for reading the game currently past looking at the VC but this is very easy, from what I remember whymafia was obvtown since he replaced even though wake was kind of scummy. On brief skim of what nos has posted recently nothing stands out as town either, he says he has plans to do things and reads like before but really doesn't seem to act much on the views he claims to hold. Somewhat similar feeling to what I had with narna too though how much people consensus scumread him seemed strange, makes sense with traitor of course though.

Although this might sound strange coming from me, in spite of me pushing this pretty much all game I would still prefer the day doesn't end until about like 2 days from now so I can fully review everything that's happened recently. Just off the top of my head elena and vedith needed some looking into since they retracted their claims, although I can't for the moment. By now I've played with vedith and he fakeclaims a lot I would be wary of elena for it. Don't have time to ISO them right now however. Wagon positions seem to support these suspicions however assuming I'm right about nosferatu.

I actually cannot even

KHFHUSSUNNFJGJFFFKKFKFGGHHHHHHHFFFGHH

[Zachstralkita]

Guys

Ihu

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Nosferatu

I don't have time for reading the game currently past looking at the VC but this is very easy, from what I remember whymafia was obvtown since he replaced even though wake was kind of scummy. On brief skim of what nos has posted recently nothing stands out as town either, he says he has plans to do things and reads like before but really doesn't seem to act much on the views he claims to hold. Somewhat similar feeling to what I had with narna too though how much people consensus scumread him seemed strange, makes sense with traitor of course though.

Although this might sound strange coming from me, in spite of me pushing this pretty much all game I would still prefer the day doesn't end until about like 2 days from now so I can fully review everything that's happened recently. Just off the top of my head elena and vedith needed some looking into since they retracted their claims, although I can't for the moment. By now I've played with vedith and he fakeclaims a lot I would be wary of elena for it. Don't have time to ISO them right now however. Wagon positions seem to support these suspicions however assuming I'm right about nosferatu.

I actually like, got some spidey sense tingles from this one. Especially a few parts but this is a Steel post so going to reserve judgement. I'm fine with you catching up but how much do you need to catch up on exactly? You didn't get to where Vedith claimed rolecop? Oh jesus lord of mercy

After further deliberation I think I'd like to schedule my own beheading, I'm told you're great in this sort of field. Or you know the guy who knows the guy who does that, I'm pretty sure.



What time is good with your schedule? I'm free tonight... tomorrow.. any.. of these.. days.. in this game..

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: vedith

[Zachstralkita]

What do you have to say re:Nosferatu

oh sorry didnt see this

Just from looking at the vote counts, I'm pretty sure Nos is scum

VOTE: WhyMafia

[Zachstralkita]

Elenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Zachstralkita]

Two things

We sheep me today, or we lose.


1) we massclaim

2) we lynch kraska


VOTE: Kraska

Shut up. On both of these





VOTE: Nosferatu



I'm the one who's getting sheeped today

[Zachstralkita]

I think one of my hard town reads has to be scum, and it's either Edith or Zach.

I'm going to tell you miss, that you previously townread me for the wrong reasons and a scumread on me will probably be in the same manner. As for Vedith, he's town.

VOTE: vedith

Kraska/Zach scumteam

I don't think anyone can actually FOR REAL have a team line-up like this as town at this point

Zach what do you think of this? Is mulch this prone to moonlogic?

You're absolutely killing me, kraska




It's not really moonlogic as it is stupid play. I stopped caring about Mulch when he told me he scumread me and didn't read my posts. I came in this game fresh off a loss from scum Mulch and I think I've read him correctly... unfortunately this means he has to live. I think I've read you correctly, too. I'm pretty confident in you town.

Who can save the town




Who's name are these guys spirits screaming to save you poor fools

The youth is the only hope!

Stop playing with me motherfuckers. Maria let's go. Carcalilly, Zach has led you wrong before but you must sheep him. If I die you must become the new Ultimate Hope.

[Zachstralkita]

Vedith pissed me off this game but he's super town.

[Zachstralkita]

Vedith pissed me off this game but he's super town.

Why do I Piss you off?

the whole kraska77 Vedith thing was the most useless thing ever done in a mafia game if shes town like i said

[Zachstralkita]

and if she is town you need to understand how most people won't threaten replace as scum because it's not ethical and borderline tactical play

[Zachstralkita]

Vedith pissed me off this game but he's super town.

Why do I Piss you off?

the whole kraska77 Vedith thing was the most useless thing ever done in a mafia game if shes town like i said

And if Kraska is Scum, does that mean I still pissed you off for calling it out?

I dunno I think we've had the conversation already. Didnt you say you then would have had her caught for the wrong reasons? So I would be pissed off but my feelings wouldn't be justified entirely. You don't need to play toxic to lynch scum though thats the big thing

and if she is town you need to understand how most people won't threaten replace as scum because it's not ethical and borderline tactical play

I've seen plenty of Scum replace out because they are pushed as Scum.

conversely I don't think I've ever seen that in a game


Is it improper for me to say those people are dickheads who can't play red properly

[Zachstralkita]

Only bringing it up now...? Did u forget when I raged on u and voted k77 that day for like 45 minutes :/

[Zachstralkita]

I also don't see what relevance other people's reasons have to scumread k77 if I townread her for reasons independent of that whole interaction too

[Zachstralkita]

If you're right you were still toxic lol that's the thing though

Don't behave like that

[Zachstralkita]

If you're right you were still toxic lol that's the thing though

Don't behave like that

Kraska was just as toxic as me.
So why are you showing anger to my play but not here?

I must have not been here then? the whole cunt incident and how you handled that was wayy worse than anything she posted


I think you actually missed that several people were put off from scumreading K77 cause of the way you pushed her at the time iirc

[Zachstralkita]

that word doesn't mean the same to people not from England or Great Britain very very bad lmao


I mean I personally like how you guys made it a placeholder but yeah that's neither here nor there

Who do we wagon then?

Take my hand

[Zachstralkita]

but you know my position was that I thought she was town and your push made no sense


So if I see you as instigating it that's how I'm going to interpret the situation

[Zachstralkita]

If you want me to call k77 toxic then I can but you're... Im trying to do something else today .. like lynch Nos

[Zachstralkita]

wait wait wait are u saying u don't understand my reasoning for nos lol



damn It vedith

[Zachstralkita]

If you want me to call k77 toxic then I can but you're... Im trying to do something else today .. like lynch Nos

But this brings me back to my point, it was a strange time for you to try and make your comment on me pissing you off from yesterday.
If you didn't want it discussed, why would you bring it up?

I just feel like it's arbitrary that you would associate my timing with meaning anything



I feel like you're probably making it personal due to most of your posts like I have something against you and took it upon myself to be k77's guardian angel which is entirely detractive and rather not true

OMG Creature you're stupid, you moron, I don't get your reasoning here!
REPLACE ME BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO BLOW UP AT CREATURE
Actually don't replace me, just don't talk to me

OMG!!!

This is acceptable to Zach, apparently, as long as I'm not calling anyone a cunt, I can post this like all day.

Yeah this is what I mean

[Zachstralkita]

Lmaooo

[Zachstralkita]

Kraska/Zach scumteam

I don't think anyone can actually FOR REAL have a team line-up like this as town at this point

Why the fuck not? You've both townread each other and put "trust" in each other for zero reason the entire game and now zach is trying to get the wagon off you.

probably why you should read game


that slot was my original scumread and I spent a decent amount of time sorting it

[Zachstralkita]

Nosferatu the color of your role PM is the color we are going to leave you leaking

[Zachstralkita]

Nosferatu the color of your role PM is the color we are going to leave you leaking

get me to the hospital if im leaking green fam

Carcalilly
kraska77
Mulch
Zachstralkita

Okay, let's try this lynchpool

that lynch pool is absolute ass G

[Zachstralkita]

Zachstralkita, don't you think one of the active players must be scum (Mulch in your town vision)?

certainly but then it's also possible that didnt happen


but I actually think it will be easier to determine this as we get reds and near endgame to be honest I'm not going to rack my brain with that shit now and its a few possibilities



I'd have to reread some dead people ISO

[Zachstralkita]

Cause I don't think we're getting snowed I think we're like seconds away from cracking it open but we don't have the mislynches to be luxurious about it.

[Zachstralkita]

anyway. i asked vedith to stop engaging me multiple times this game and he wont let up. i asked to be replaced out a while ago.
@my replacement dont move my vote

fuckkkkk

[Zachstralkita]

flip Nos man

[Zachstralkita]

Mulch and Zachstralkita.

The other depends.

VOTE: Steel

Please sheep me today Steel is also in the pool

[Zachstralkita]

Its actually funny Mulch that post indicates to me that you didn't read the post in which I told you that you weren't reading my posts so I was disregarding you


If you did read my posts you would have your answer


kraska


is


t o w n




Dunno do I need a fucking resume or something? I townhunt way better than I scumhunt

[Zachstralkita]

Sheep me or lose, I'm taking a break from the thread

thank fuck


no jinx

[Zachstralkita]

Aye if you're lynching Steel you're lynching Nos too so IDK what you guys are doing,...

@Zach: help me fucking bus our roleblocker c'mon

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach: What's the scum team in your head?
{Nos, Steel, Creature}?

Nos Nos Nos Nos Nos Nos Steel Steel


no the third slot is a question mark to be honest it is confusing me


MARIA WHY ARE VOTE STELE???? VOTE NOS ?


god damn it i wanted to make an order

[Zachstralkita]

cause if Creature isn't the GS clear then Kaboose is a piece of shit hes the reason I stopped voting Creature that whole day

[Zachstralkita]

im confused why Elena Fisher has abandoned me should I throw myself off of a mountaintop


Then I will join doggo in heaven

[Zachstralkita]

i dont know why you seem to forget that k77 replaced out thus she wouldnt have done anything within your deadline

I haven't even read the past 50-100 pages beyond the mod ISO but from my perspective this is easy based just on claims and my old day 1-3 reads.

It's not so from some of yours as you doubt my own slot but whatever.

VOTE: nosferatu

If I'm wrong on the only real scumread I had this game when I was still playing it I'll accept losing the game for it.

Ty for bus my guy

[Zachstralkita]

This game I should either have been allowed to lynch nosferatu if I'm trusted or lynched myself if you think I'm scum. This kind of purgatory is pretty stupid.

Don't worry buddy, you won't be in limbo for long. We're going to send you up to doggo too

[Zachstralkita]

after kraska replaced out creature was like yea I'm gonna give her 24 hours to make a case for her being town before I vote there

like she didn't replace out or something.. i just don't see what purpose it served when he can be actually using his vote.. idk I feel like you knew this already tho




How much mislynches do we have? Two?




Okay well town makes a choice cause this is stupid beyond belief. You either lynch k77 today(I'm not counting on a replacement to do anything with this) and sheep me tomorrow OR you sheep me right now and we don't lynch kraska's slot beyond this point. That's my ultimatum.

I've been saying sheep mee....eeeeeeeeeee.eeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee


Nos is obvscum for trying to mislynch the role cop LOL without addressing his claim? Unless I never saw the case.


And I don't want to hear the "scum wouldn't do " arguments this game is complete fuckery.

[Zachstralkita]

Your setup spec is bullshit cause it doesn't factor in any of the context surrounding Vedith's claim or his play or his stances

The fact that you've pushed that nearly the whole day tells me everything I need to know


idk what chickadee/EF/Creature are doing

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Nosferatu
Send me to dead thread. This is pointless. I just want to get spoiled.

Except it wouldnt happen because people don't credit my reads lol

[Zachstralkita]

My really... really good reads....

[Zachstralkita]

if one of the people calling you stupid is Mulch then you can relax because that's most of what he does?

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: zachstralkita

Call me crazy.

Slightly better than kraska



But I've been dropping several hints and I want to be sheeped....


I already said what I want to do

[Zachstralkita]

Also Chickadee, you really haven't said why I can even be scum here on any occasion.

You must scumread me for some reason, but voting with just that is luxury we can't afford close to endgame. I'm pretty sure there's only one mislynch left.

I need you and Ef's votes, I thought Vedith would have cooperate with me, but he isn't. Carca is like a puppy in this game and I already said how I feel about Mulch posting. kraska is replaced and I feel fucking dandy about that having to be the case, don't I?





And I also told you who scum is. Like SEVERAL times today.









Or do I need to act emotional to get townread. Pick because this day is fucking terrible

JUST

name the scumteam.


spec being the first thing you rush to support your Vedith push is shit dude. The other situations you referenced are what should be supporting them for town... so I think you're scum. How am I wrong?

[Zachstralkita]

BOTH OF THEM

Both the claim and his play.

you disregarded a whole one of them imo? because I don't see how those conclusions you came to are actual ones

[Zachstralkita]

Lmao, our IC afk'd from this game

[Zachstralkita]

oh nononono u got me fucked up


Vedith either obv towns by the way he does all this shitposting, or he doesn't. I think I have two games where Vedithscum one he lurked and got lynched, the other I caught him because he pushed me Day 1 and it was the wrong move. I dont have exp with his scum game but I definitely know he's not a difficult person to get a TR on for me.



He was a very obvious mislynch in 203... his play is nowhere near NaI ever

[Zachstralkita]

Guys, one of Vedith or Zach is scum. I want to lynch there.

I just want the sweet release of death.

LMFAO

Guys, one of Vedith or Zach is scum. I want to lynch there.

I just want the sweet release of death.

that 'one of' clause might be unnecessary

pedit: so you're saying Vedith has obvtowned with his shitposting here? How so?

I grabbed a TR on him Day 1 ezzzzz it's been solidified

[Zachstralkita]

I dont think you read my posts tho Chickadee...

like in this game

[Zachstralkita]

you had a chick scumread D1 too didn't ya

Townreads are always easier to get and be confident in than scumreads though... not a fair basis :/



pedit lol then several things have gone over your head

[Zachstralkita]

Let me lynch vedith, you'll have a wrong townread, and then I'll have a fair basis with which to denigrate your reads

This proposition would maybe appeal to me if Chickadee had a tangible reason for locking one scum in Vedith/Zach... I'd like to know what it is.


I think she just had the good old fashioned scumread on me. Cause I'm super.

[Zachstralkita]

I just don't get that.. is your stance that Vedith's play is unreadable or something? Cause I'm going to consider that ludicrous.

[Zachstralkita]

It's not going to make sense. It's mostly based in gut that one of my strongest town reads is scum. I've been sheeping my strongest town reads all game to mislynches. I had Trans in that list, but he's flipped town, so now I'm 99.9% sure either you or Vedith is scum.

And I feel like maybe would have killed me by now? Maybe.

Oh. Is that all you meant?

There's not a name for this but it should be some sort of fallacy one because the only basis for it is paranoia. And if I'm one of your "strongest town reads" then you must have only sheeped me on JJH cause.. I was on Narna and LQ was a heavy tr of mine but I'm pretty sure he got ran up and I was gone when it happened.

Trans was obvious town for a good chunk of this game.


Having scum in (Zach/Vedith) only makes sense with this logic train that you're using though and nothing else.


The thing is it's desperate. Say you lynch me then I green. Then because one of VedithZach had to be scum, you lynch Vedith and he greens. What happens the next day? Oh no next day because endgame.


Cause you think it's a good idea to put stock in gut this late. js. You just said your read to me is gut so not play based? Then you said you read my posts 2nd most? Am I just entertainment value? LMAOO

[Zachstralkita]

No one wants to replace kraska?

replacing into a game where town is already d5 with only a traitor flip is a fool's errand. You'd have to have a crazy messiah complex or be already following this game to actually replace in.

after kraska replaced out creature was like yea I'm gonna give her 24 hours to make a case for her being town before I vote there

like she didn't replace out or something.. i just don't see what purpose it served when he can be actually using his vote.. idk I feel like you knew this already tho




How much mislynches do we have? Two?




Okay well town makes a choice cause this is stupid beyond belief. You either lynch k77 today(I'm not counting on a replacement to do anything with this) and sheep me tomorrow OR you sheep me right now and we don't lynch kraska's slot beyond this point. That's my ultimatum.

I've been saying sheep mee....eeeeeeeeeee.eeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee


Nos is obvscum for trying to mislynch the role cop LOL without addressing his claim? Unless I never saw the case.

*insert Steel is scum here*

And I don't want to hear the "scum wouldn't do " arguments this game is complete fuckery.

Amended as of right now.

Let me lynch vedith, you'll have a wrong townread, and then I'll have a fair basis with which to denigrate your reads

This proposition would maybe appeal to me if Chickadee had a tangible reason for locking one scum in Vedith/Zach... I'd like to know what it is.
I think she just had the good old fashioned scumread on me. Cause I'm super.

I don't see how chick thinking one of zach or vedith is scum has any relation to your townread on Vedith being wrong but w/e

I deadass thought it was more than a gut read..

I'm not saying it's unreadable, I'm sure someone out there can find a method to the madness, but I cannot identify his alignment simply based on what he's done this game or pretty much any game for that matter, and I'd like to know what actions he's taken that allow for you to do so.

I guess I should have said it overtly. I am the method. I like to think I can read town!Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not saying it's unreadable, I'm sure someone out there can find a method to the madness, but I cannot identify his alignment simply based on what he's done this game or pretty much any game for that matter, and I'd like to know what actions he's taken that allow for you to do so.

I guess I should have said it overtly. I am the method. I like to think I can read town!Vedith

So is your townread on vedith gut then?

no

[Zachstralkita]

literally most of his play in this game. Most of the scenarios that make him "scummy" to you indicate otherwise to me

[Zachstralkita]

Or you said that you couldn't get a read off of his actions or something?


did u say that...

[Zachstralkita]

literally most of his play in this game. Most of the scenarios that make him "scummy" to you indicate otherwise to me

i need details bud

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Your setup spec is bullshit cause it doesn't factor in any of the context surrounding Vedith's claim or his play or his stances

context like what?

the kraska debacle?
the transcend issue?

the distinctly NAI play from vedith he displays literally every game?

his multitude of stances on Steel and Kraska being scum? The one he's sat on for like ever?

These things mean something and I read all of that and got Vedith!town and are definitely usable except striked is not true.


Or we disagree. let's say it's that. the last one is not really noncommital though. but I have no clue why he's sitting at unvote

Spends the last 2 days pushing scum - Gets called a shit poster.

We're talking about your whole play style there's definitely shitposting included

[Zachstralkita]

i need details bud

And also


"I can read Vedith" and gut are not the same thing

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: nos

Stop voting those

SAY MORE THINGS NO ONE LISTENSS TO ME SAY WORDS

i need details bud

And also
"I can read Vedith" and gut are not the same thing

well believe it or not they're both nonanswers

I dunno something something burden of proof

has always been on u believe it or not



Also how does his reaction make u feel?

[Zachstralkita]

dont let your dealer cut your shit with random crap this what happens man

Did u miss my post on the last page tho

I think Nos is town.

I... had.... a plan...,

[Zachstralkita]

Lmfao that was just like the start of where I was going with that I wanted you to respond

[Zachstralkita]

Its not unreasonable if your conclusions don't make sense to me? Like you called all those situations NaI or something?

[Zachstralkita]

I don't even know what the confusion with my stance is tho

I started off talking to u saying fuck setup spec poe and that's a big reason why you think he's scum and I was trying to find what of his other specific play was scummy


It's like ur trying to explain light to me but I'm blind and you're saying why don't you see the light I have in your face




I need some ... I need some clarity here man, Morse code or something

[Zachstralkita]

no one else has even been taking here I feel like besides me and you




Chickadee gut reads me scum that's literally the only reason her vote is on me

Maria isn't helping push


You call my fucking ability to read a player more or less the same thing as gut and you wonder why I don't even like your argument and think you're going to redddddddddddddd

It doesn't make sense. Who do you have paired with him?

[Zachstralkita]

Like if his play is too foggy for you to read his interactions are too? Wtf?

[Zachstralkita]

I can see town!vedith and scum!vedith in those scenarios thus they are NAI

I don't think this way though this is robotic you sound like Creatferatu

You call my fucking ability to read a player more or less the same thing as gut and you wonder why I don't even like your argument and think you're going to redddddddddddddd

so its a meta read? I'm confused as to what the basis of your read is?

The closest thing to meta that's possible

I look at actions circumstantially to the flow of the game along with... Vedith has a large capacity to town to me and I am good at town hunting in general?

[Zachstralkita]

I've never had someone gut read me this close to end game so I've never had to respond to it before


It looks like my usual defense of "logic" fails me again

[Zachstralkita]

is it humanly possible for this day to go anywhere

That largely depends on how I predict myself reacting if I compromise on my reads and this becomes a throw

[Zachstralkita]

And also if any other two people would post in here with anything at all

[Zachstralkita]

oh god I woke him up again

[Zachstralkita]

Throw if you want to

[Zachstralkita]

Fucking A, LMFAO

VOTE: Steel





This reds 100% though.

[Zachstralkita]

Who else is scum?

You're getting a free one right now. Can we flip the red and I post words later?

VOTE: zach

Do this if you want to lose.

VOTE: Mulch

...Maybe do this if you want to lose, I don't know if we actually let this to LYLO.

[Zachstralkita]

Listen, there's no way that both Steel and Nos are town. And I know some fuckery's been happening. The only reason I locked Nos town was because what he did was so stupid yesterday if he was scum. If I wrong with this we confirm the other scum and the remainder is in the unconfirmed players.

[Zachstralkita]

Wait Nos, why the hell don't you want to lynch Vedith?

[Zachstralkita]

Actually, Steel should preferably not claim without trying to defend first.

Scum already knows what they would fakeclaim or not by this point. If there's anything scum is not it's ill-prepared.

Wait Nos, why the hell don't you want to lynch Vedith?

I was about to make a post like
"guess we're gonna be stupid and not lynch vedith again"
but I mean no one really cares about anything I have to say anyway

Nonononono, actually answer this otherwise you might as well get quicklynched or thrown into a fucking pool of Sabretooth tigers. You can't do this here because if I spent yesterday trying to fucking at least sort I cared a little

I'm obviously not going to try and strongarm this lynch like yesterday but seriously, has anyone seen anything towny in Zach's posts?

You're on crack this game. I only foe people that I actually dislike on a personal level otherwise I'd be free from your posts.

[Zachstralkita]

Kraska wasn't a scumfuck. If you want to have a discussion on ethics in Mafia talk to me postgame.





Maria picked a great time to stop involvement though now we can't really do anything because Chickadee wants to kill me.

[Zachstralkita]

Kraska wasn't a scumfuck.

Why?

I'm not town casing someone who's flipped green. Untunnel or I could give a fuck less.

Wait Nos, why the hell don't you want to lynch Vedith?

I was about to make a post like
"guess we're gonna be stupid and not lynch vedith again"
but I mean no one really cares about anything I have to say anyway

Nos makes me want to stick my head in electric eel water this game

Mulch, Carcalilly, Creature, Nosferatu, Chickadee, Vedith

Shouldn't scum be there?

Uh... that is the pool. I said "remainder" if you were talking to me. Chickadee is prob town.

[Zachstralkita]

Lmfao Nos got on the 5:30 bus to Steel City

[Zachstralkita]

if you were talking to me.

Not really.

I don't know why you lynched kraska, though, when she bled town. Even if you scumread me you should have let me WK people cause I'm good at that.

[Zachstralkita]

I said I would be voting kraska77 if she didn't quote where she was scumhunting within the deadline.

And you ignored that someone replacing out of the game would no longer care about contributing to that game is my point. If scum had managed to kill, we'd be slightly more fucked atm.

[Zachstralkita]

Lmfao Nos got on the 5:30 bus to Steel City

honestly
Vedith's death is still preferable to me.
but obviously his mechanical guiltiness eludes this town.

My face at the exact moment we lynch you tomorrow:

[Zachstralkita]

[Creatures gonna think this is a hammer until he clicks on the thread]

[Zachstralkita]

It's already established we weren't massclaiming at the moment. Why would we change that because she thought today was MYLO? You're going to throw.

[Zachstralkita]

They don't need to when the same person who wants to lynch the rolecop with scum also wants a massclaim before any red flips.

[Zachstralkita]

The only person who can tell me to massclaim today is Vedith or the IC.

Mass claim is pointless right now.
Chickadeeeee if you're actually town I suggest you 're read Iso's as the people you are calling Scum are all town.

But given that Nos is most likely town here, it doesn't matter a great a deal.

Why do you not Scum read Mulch or Steel?
Why should Steel be unvoted?

She doesn't have play-based reads and she's trying to strongarm me close to MYLO because I'm so town I have the potential to be scum

please hammer and get me out of this game because we've lynched obv town twice in a row

You just left me here and you don't want to lynch scum with me

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Carcalilly

This claimed scum.



Transcend I'm a moron.



Scumteam is Carca/Nos - one of [Mulch/Creature/Vedith], almost certainly PoE'd one of [Mulch/Creature] unless I'm wrong about Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

Ifhy so much Carca LOL

[Zachstralkita]

Did you think that by flagrantly claiming scum today it would convince people that you weren't

Because I am impressed with the tenacity of this push but fuck me man you are fucked, LMFAO. I poed this yesterday.

[Zachstralkita]

Should I claim all results?

What Creature said before was best probably, don't claim anything. Either that or do the ones that you think will be least harmful.

Given it's most likely LyLo.
Any town votes in you 3 need to unvote for now.

It's actually MYLO.

I am pretty sure that Carca just fucking scumclaimed several times, and that hammer was actually horrendous. I think she's trying to strongarm mislynches with Nos.

You realise me giving out my information today means I'm not lynched and gives us 3 out of 4 town, right?

I'm pretty sure the premise of any scum!you arguments are that you are a scum rolecop, that you being a rolecop doesn't make you town. But Nos is the only one pushing that I think,, and he's scum(?)

[Zachstralkita]

Not strongarm but like, ensure. Cause that hammer was out of the fucking blue.


It's my fault because I 180'd on my Steel and Nos reads, too.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't think it's 2/3

I chose an arbitrary number

I meant 2 or 3, as you mis counted how many I checked.

His push on you is 60% spec and 40% "I cant read this fucking play" then he can call me scum or bad when I don't take it seriously as an argument, so I think it's more likely that he's scum over you at the end of the day

Otherwise I don't think I've seen anyone besides me engage Nos on the topic and I have no clue why. If I'm getting fucking snowed here by Vedithscum I have to get a ELI5 explanation and apparently so does everyone else because I can't recall anyone's stances on the subject.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE COUNT 7 . 70

• Vedith
  ----- 2 ( Nosferatu, Carcalilly )
  L- 2
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  - 5 ( Zachstralkita, Creature, MariaR, Mulch, Vedith )

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-23 19:14:31)

My vote is on Clilly.

I guess the scumteam is Carcalilly/Mulch/Zachstralkita.

Yikes. It looks like you don't mean what you say, cause there isn't a logical way you'd be scumclaiming in all of these posts at this point.

[Zachstralkita]

You're wilding my guy.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Vedith

[Zachstralkita]

Town lacked nothing honestly, you guys had several PRs. We were nearly in autoloss if you all confirmed yourselves.

[Zachstralkita]

The whole dead thread is watching town lose rn.

Except I deadass did not know it was LYLO until Creature started posting shit like this. It's hilarious.

[Zachstralkita]

Transcend, what's your collar size?

[Zachstralkita]

Aye, I put work in meming in the Scum PT by the way.

Shout out the scumteam including YUNG LIT DIAMOND.

[Zachstralkita]

Lot of shit I should've done differently imo

should've tried to lynch mulch MUCH earlier, especially after that kraska case

Zach was obvious after D5 but I did nothing about it.

Vedith was such a bad thing for me to stick on

I tried to WK Vedith to get you onto Steel but you stayed there, lol. Good you realized how obvious I was a little late.

[Zachstralkita]

Carcalilly plays like scum but she magically escapes (I WK'd her very hard here) and Mulch manages to get townread for every reason people should scumread him, it's great. I don't know why I was townread, though.



Also, apparently I have a scum tell. Interesting.

[Zachstralkita]

Carcalilly plays like scum but she magically escapes (I WK'd her very hard here) and Mulch manages to get townread for every reason people should scumread him, it's great. I don't know why I was townread, though.



Also, apparently I have a scum tell. Interesting.

you just kept dodging questions and people were just ok with it

it was just a bizarre experience

Just Like U Dodged The W

[Zachstralkita]

Lmao you were freaking out tho with the Vedith push, Nos.




Also if I were town this game I would have blasted Vedith for toxicity. That interaction should have been moderated a little.

[Zachstralkita]

Thanks for shitting on me the entire dead thread alisae

Yeah it was out of line, kinda.

[Zachstralkita]

If you can talk shit about people behind their backs you should have enough dignity to say it to their face.

That's not actually your call to make. As a moderator, you're supposed to be professional. He wanted his messages to you in confidence. You don't get to make a moral decision on the matter when you're the game moderator, sorry.



We should all chill before this becomes a shitstorm, anyway.

[Zachstralkita]

Great, the highlight of this game is going to be that people got banned in postgame. Can we actually not? There's far too much tension.

[Zachstralkita]

You should probably step out of the thread, Mulch. The game is over and we won anyway. For everyone who gives you shit there's probably several people willing to defend you.

[Zachstralkita]

If anything I hope the harsh critism helps you grow as a player.

Except you betrayed his confidence by posting something he didn't want for people to see.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't want it to be locked, this part is just being drawn out.

[Zachstralkita]

I assume other people are going to post and the thread won't be locked...

Wait, Mulch is being criticized because he was bussing? lol

- mulch the "busser" who voted a teammate once the entire game


Idk man

I don't see you really being criticized though. The "bussing" was suboptimal because there wasn't need for it to advance our win and it annoyed me at times, but I don't think you're seriously being critiqued for that because I don't know what people say about you. If town say you were obvious it's salt because you weren't obvious when you needed to be and they didn't lynch you?


pedit I can't imagine the wall is a good idea, because I asked Mulch to not post and he's still posting.

[Zachstralkita]

Transcend, please read the Scum PT. LMAO


Also, we have to hydra at some point in my life.

[Zachstralkita]

we'll get through this because i think we're both town but if not i'm the one getting collared like a sex slave here lol

[Zachstralkita]

Creature, Chickadee, and k77 were the best town had I think read wise? Uzi, Transcend, and whoever pinged on Carca when she replaced in too.

Still feel LQ lynch was fair to be honest.

He needs to stop acting out of character in games when he feels he's not fitting in or being listened too.

LQ was fine "IDK who lily is" tho

[Zachstralkita]

I missed Chickadee claiming Enabler and she softed it while talking to me. We shot there N1 still cause we thought it was a good kill.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, I really do enjoy playing with you. You were great. And hilarious.

You and Creature were scumreading me and I had nothing really to defend against that with, it was hilarious. I wasn't super worried cause our IC... had me as town

[Zachstralkita]

Thought that was facts

Zach trash wym

[Zachstralkita]

Thank god this is fucking over given town never listened to a single thing I suggested and just lynched all over the place I was coming around that 1 of my tr's were wrong given I was left alive so long

[Zachstralkita]

Thank god this is fucking over given town never listened to a single thing I suggested and just lynched all over the place I was coming around that 1 of my tr's were wrong given I was left alive so long

IT'S HARD TO NOT TR THE ONLY PERSON MAKING SENSE IN THE THREAD OKAY

It's funny cause I was one of the like two people who caught your Randy Savage crumb and capitalized on that severely. But it was obvious you were town when you were getting run up.

[Zachstralkita]

That crumb was bad.

No one under the age of 21 watches wrestling.

I don't even watch it battle rap has hella wrestling bars

[Zachstralkita]

Narna tried crumbing traitor to me but I thought he was playing super town, LMAO

[Zachstralkita]

That crumb was bad.

No one under the age of 21 watches wrestling.

I don't even watch it battle rap has hella wrestling bars

Battle rap lol another thing non 2017 approved

I'm bout to flame you lol it actually evolved. Think about it. What if it was actually the bars that killed you this game?