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Post Post #1275 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:59 am

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Day 1, Votecount 33


ScumChat's gone and so are you
AIM has fallen through
A dozen boys that played like you
God do I miss 2002
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4 Transcend (Chara, Ginngie, Mulch, Kmd4390)
3 Cabd (Spiffeh, Toranaga, Firebringer)
2 Mulch (Kagami, implosion)
1 Ginngie (Patrick)
1 Kmd4390 (UnaBombaH)

4 Unvote (Aristophanes, Cabd, Cheetory6, Transcend)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2018-02-05 00:00:00), on Sunday, February 4 at 11:59 pm EST.


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Post Post #1276 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:09 am

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In post 1263, Kagami wrote:That's it? What elaboration do you want?
Id like you to elaborate on why u seem to think TVS instead of TVT?
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1277 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:10 am

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In post 1267, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 1265, Cabd wrote:I'm too friendly to lynch!
I lynch friendly people like you for breakfast.
Why don’t u ever lynch me then?
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1278 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:17 am

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That doesn't follow from the content you quoted -_-

I'd happily make a market on mulch-scum of .5/.65, which alone is sufficient to support the "TvS" thing, though I wouldn't phrase it like that.
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Post Post #1279 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:19 am

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why are you scumreading mulch?

what do you think about cabd?
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Post Post #1280 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:29 am

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Let's see...

- over 50% chance scum prior to posting a single thing.
- the mason thing that kmd finds so towny doesn't make sense from a town perspective; he was going to call you town anyway, there's no reason fakeclaim mason unless he was hoping to get reciprocation or some other sort of townread out of it.
- AD says so
- Keeps harping on the notion that lynching him is "policy"
- 0 breadth in general. Even his recent townreads post (after I called him out on it) are all easy
- Scumreads are bad and overly sparse
- Blow up a few pages back makes no sense
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Post Post #1281 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:33 am

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Re: Cabd

sounds like he's claiming Friendly Neighbor, which probably makes him town.

Independent of that, I've been a little fence-ish on him in general, but I have a reason (which I don't think will be respected by the crowd) to think that he's unlikely to pick up a scum PM for him team.

I remain curious what exactly he expects from me, as he knows I'm not a super-interactive player. I continue to expect something and remain patiently waiting.
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Post Post #1282 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:53 am

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In post 1280, Kagami wrote:Let's see...

- over 50% chance scum prior to posting a single thing.
I don't believe that's necessarily true. I don't think amrock prefers playing scum as his greatest talent and something he does very passionately in games is solving.
I can also see him preferring to take a coaching position for team mates rather than be the scum himself, and either way this already started as a bad way to scumhunt anyone in this game imo.

- the mason thing that kmd finds so towny doesn't make sense from a town perspective; he was going to call you town anyway, there's no reason fakeclaim mason unless he was hoping to get reciprocation or some other sort of townread out of it.
lack of a reason doesn't mean it's scum motivated. if he is getting townread from it, that could simply be due to him doing something that's generally towny. I wasn't townreading amrock for the claim, but I started townreading him when he immediately dropped the claim as my initial reaction would make it difficult for the mafia team to believe us. he could have played it along with me when I was receptive to it, which would actually fit a more scum motivated mason claim, trying to hide himself behind a fake claim with a towny player that's generally gonna be read as very villagery and thread captain a lynch in his best days. not taking that opportunity shows town motivation.

- AD says so
oh well. why is he saying so.

- Keeps harping on the notion that lynching him is "policy"
people policy lynch amrock so he is correct.

- 0 breadth in general. Even his recent townreads post (after I called him out on it) are all easy
disagree and not sure this is scummy of amrock. he can be a loud, bold mafia member too.

- Scumreads are bad and overly sparse
- Blow up a few pages back makes no sense
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Post Post #1283 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:56 am

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Amrock = mulch?
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Post Post #1284 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:01 am

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yeah
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Post Post #1285 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:02 am

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Am I correct in interpreting your overuse of "Amrock" as a means to convey that you're highly familiar with his play?

How confidently do you townread him?
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Post Post #1286 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:06 am

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I just know him from MU first and he is amrock there. I'm not trying to make it seem like I know him better than anyone else.

my townread on mulch is as close as I can possibly townread him especifically without a flip. he hasn't posted anything I scumread and had many very genuine thoughts and I think his interactions with transcend are very towny;gamesolvey;highly evaluative that resonate a lot with me.
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Post Post #1287 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:07 am

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hmmm....
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Post Post #1288 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:07 am

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In post 1264, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 1259, implosion wrote:I'm somewhat thinking Chara + Kagami + ???? scum atm.
Is Cabd not in your pool atm?
I mean, he is ish? But see softclaim etc which I was avoiding elaborating on but shrug. I was a bit unsure what to think about him since the first time he softclaimed earlier which I'm not sure if people caught but assume most did.

Third could be like, ginngie? or spiffeh? or patrick? Or mulch of course, but if I'm right on Kagami i'm not sure if they'd bus this way, if I'm trying to theorize a full team. There are also some other townreads I could be wrong on like una or firebringer but cabd is probably town unless something weird goes on.
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Post Post #1289 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:09 am

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In post 1286, Toranaga wrote:I think his interactions with transcend are very towny;gamesolvey;highly evaluative
Can you give some examples?

I've felt like most of Mulch and Transcend's direct interactions have been really not that deep throwing shade at each other. I don't remember Mulch giving any reasons to scumread transcend that felt particularly deeply evaluative but i may easily be missing something in the deluge.
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Post Post #1290 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:11 am

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I am town, Ginn is town, patrick is town, Spiff is being scum in a non-mafia sense, but I'd guess town there too.
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Post Post #1291 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 1289, implosion wrote:
In post 1286, Toranaga wrote:I think his interactions with transcend are very towny;gamesolvey;highly evaluative
Can you give some examples?

I've felt like most of Mulch and Transcend's direct interactions have been really not that deep throwing shade at each other. I don't remember Mulch giving any reasons to scumread transcend that felt particularly deeply evaluative but i may easily be missing something in the deluge.
he has actually gone back and forth on transcend a fair amount throughout those interactions. I also feel his scumread on transcend makes sense because transcend's push on mulch is too strong for the little transcend has presented as reasons, and the 'reaction test' with calling me scum and then pushing mulch for not immediately acting out on it is cringe level scummy if you ask me. have you actually read that push?
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Post Post #1292 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:27 am

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Toranga wrote:transcend's push on mulch is too strong for the little transcend has presented as reasons,
Well yeah but
1) the same imo can be said about mulch's push on transcend from what I can remember of it, and
2) when transcend said he wanted to case mulch, i.e. elaborate on his reasons more, mulch said transcend would be claiming scum by casing him??? so like, mulch apparently doesn't think town-transcend would be elaborating on reasons for scumreading him. So that's not a good reason for mulch to scumread transcend. There's sort of a chicken and egg problem of how the mutual scumread developed.
Toranga wrote:the 'reaction test' with calling me scum and then pushing mulch for not immediately acting out on it is cringe level scummy if you ask me.
I agree it's really strange. And somewhat scummy on face. I mostly read it as joking around, honestly, not as being entirely serious. And it's a very easy thing to push against if Mulch is scum, and so I don't really see Mulch's immediate reaction and explanation as hard to fabricate. It is still the one thing that makes me think twice on Transcend like I think I've mentioned but none of his other posting has felt off to me at all and I still don't remember Mulch ever giving satisfactory justifications for Transcend being scum.

The difference between the two for me is that I haven't seen anything from Mulch that I've felt strongly like I can read into either way (though I have seen some weak things) but I feel like I've seen Transcend towntell strongly.
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Post Post #1293 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:28 am

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can you go over transcend's towntells for me

I'll be sure to pick it up if they're true towntells...
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Post Post #1294 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:32 am

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In post 1293, Toranaga wrote:can you go over transcend's towntells for me

I'll be sure to pick it up if they're true towntells...
I wrote:Can you give some examples?
I asked first :X

I've given some not-very-specific references (, ) but can elaborate more tonight if you want.

Also need to elaborate thoughts on Kagami tonight.
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Post Post #1295 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 1291, Toranaga wrote:I also feel his scumread on transcend makes sense because transcend's push on mulch is too strong for the little transcend has presented as reasons, and the 'reaction test' with calling me scum and then pushing mulch for not immediately acting out on it is cringe level scummy if you ask me. have you actually read that push?
I read this in the opposite way. While I don't think that it was a valid "reaction test," I don't disbelieve that the intent was for it to be, and I think the entire thing and the conclusions derived are unlikely to be generated by scum.
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Post Post #1296 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:49 am

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In post 1281, Kagami wrote:Re: Cabd

sounds like he's claiming Friendly Neighbor, which probably makes him town.

Independent of that, I've been a little fence-ish on him in general, but I have a reason (which I don't think will be respected by the crowd) to think that he's unlikely to pick up a scum PM for him team.

I remain curious what exactly he expects from me, as he knows I'm not a super-interactive player. I continue to expect something and remain patiently waiting.
Not sure where you are getting friendly neighbor from, but I'm surprised you'd be so quick to believe it considering you won a game as scum where your partner fakeclaimed friendly neighbor.
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Post Post #1297 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:56 am

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I don't even know where to begin with that.

There's a subtle difference between calling an FN claim is probably coming from town (and if you don't see where I gathered that, then I don't know how to help you) and believing an FN claim that changes into a 3-shot FN claim after it gets "roleblocked" 3 times and has a special modifier that makes shots get consumed when blocked unlike every other role in that game.
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Post Post #1298 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:01 am

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The reason an FN claim, if that's what Cabd is indeed softing, implies probably town is that very few scum are as ballsy as MS was and very few towns as gullible as that of Inu Yasha Mafia.
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Post Post #1299 (ISO) » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:09 am

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I only just realized that's the game we were in together. I was thinking it was Nati's MTG game where we couldn't win because there it multiball with a bulletproof IC.

I vaguely recall playing with you in some game where Juls was scum and I was a Dragon or something like that.

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