Serum & Steel 2: The Rise of Phyrexia--Endgame

[Natirasha]

Vote Count 3.8

Spoiler: Lynch

PeregrineV(0)

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Antihero(0)

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massive(2)

: Pander Bears, Chandra Nalaar

pixel(0)

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Kagami(0)

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Tattletale(0)

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Magister Ludi(0)

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Trustworthy(0)

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Pander Bears(3)

: Tattletale, Lord Mhork, massive

Vezokpiraka(0)

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sharpest-knife-on-tree(0)

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pieguyn(0)

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Chandra Nalaar(4)

: Antihero, pieguyn, vezokpiraka, sharpest-knife-on-tree

F-16_Fighting_Falcon(0)

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Lord Mhork(0)

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No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(6)

: PeregrineV, Magister Ludi, Trustworthy, Kagami, pixel, F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Spoiler: Serum

PeregrineV(0):

Antihero(1):

pixel

massive(0):

pixel(0):

Kagami(0):

Tattletale(0):

Magister Ludi(0):

Trustworthy(0):

Pander Bears(0):

Vezokpiraka(0):

sharpest-knife-on-tree(0):

pieguyn(0):

Chandra Nalaar(0):

F-16_Fighting_Falcon(5):

Antihero, pieguyn, vezokpiraka, Pander Bears, Chandra Nalaar

Lord Mhork(0):

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(9):

PeregrineV, massive, Tattletale, Magister Ludi, Trustworthy, sharpest-knife-on-tree, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Lord Mhork, Kagami

Spoiler: Mycosynth

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Tattletale(0)

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Magister Ludi(0)

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Trustworthy(0)

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Pander Bears(0)

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sharpest-knife-on-tree(0)

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pieguyn(0)

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Chandra Nalaar(0)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon(0)

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Lord Mhork(0)

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No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(15)

: PeregrineV, Antihero, massive, pixel, Kagami, Tattletale, zMuffinMan, Magister Ludi, Trustworthy, mastin2, Pander Bears, vezokpiraka, sharpest-knife-on-tree, pieguyn, Chandra Nalaar, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Lord Mhork

With fifteen alive, it takes eight to reach majority.

(expired on 2014-08-26 16:00:00)

[Pander Bears]

I'm glad today because I'm traveling so I can't give dv as thorough a hug as I would like right now.

Hopefully a VOTE: massive will serve as an acceptable substitute for now.

This was more than enough.

Titus and whoever is scum with her (there is almost def another scum on the initial ABR wagon) have no reason to try and counterwagon ABR and then ML, as opposed to joining one of the 2 mislynch wagons on you and CN.

This doesn't seem that far-fetched to me at all.

you missed point 8. suppose you did think I was scum here. don't you imagine that you would at least worry if you didn't do anything about it ASAP no one would, especially with the possibility of you being lynched?

I'd probably be more worried about being the one that was wrong, but I wouldn't be able to call you town either, so I'd most likely passive-aggressively call you scum without actually pushing you.

which I feel is a stronger point now that the Chandra-alt thing is becoming less of a factor (at least that's the impression I'm getting).

It turns out she doesn't hold up very well under pressure. She kinda needs to be obvtown in order to function.

Oh there's no problem with that. It's just a thing!

oh look, all my scumreads are either sitting on their asses with no vote or are on the counterwagons to scum.

Well counterwagons to ourselves would probably be more appropriate. There's also the fact that both Chandra and I are the type to both bus and encourage others to bus us. I'm not 100% sure about the latter being true for Chandra, but hey it doesn't really need to be for bussing to be a thing if we were scum together.

The other thing is that if you call massive the scum and pretend that Chandra and I are counterwagons, you get completely different scum! Imagine that! :O Essentially you're making an assumption and using it to prove the same assumption. I don't think that's how it works.

Oh goodie Chandra liked it too!

I think part of Pander's case is "if he thinks I'm scummy why isn't he voting for me" so let me fix that.

So you're voting me because I was suspecting you for not voting me? Cool!

Pies not the first person to come up with this argument, yet he's presenting it as his own.

I don't really have a problem with this. If it contributes to his read on the slot, it's reasonable that he would post whether it's his own or not.

I mean what are you going to do today. You gave yourself a free pass from activity yesterday because obvscum mastin. Are you actually gonna do a thing today?

I think I have done stuff today! Does this mean you'll join the Chandra + Pander wagon of win?

Plz switch to pander bears

This doesn't make me very happy when I know you haven't read my recent posts!

[Lord Mhork]

I'm reading them. They still make me feel icky. However I'll join ceph's wagon to save him if I need to, since it looks like yours might now be going through

[pixel]

Mhork I hate your company on the panders wagon. :/

[Lord Mhork]

But Tattle is town. I feel a little icky about massive, but I feel like Pander's scumminess is reassuring me that the wagon isn't awful

[pixel]

I feel like we've lined up a bunch of questionable lynches starting with Mastin, which is questionable if only in retrospect. I thought muffin's reasons for suspecting her were pretty solid.

I don't feel good about following that line right now.

[pixel]

back in a while, maybe with some expansion on the above.

[Chandra Nalaar]

By the way, pander massive is not now and will never be scum theater. If either flips scum ever the other is clear barring sk issues.

[Lord Mhork]

Ceph be careful with your confidence.

Pixel, how would you feel about a massive lynch then?

[pixel]

I need to go back and look at who opposes a massive lynch and why.

[Majiffy]

I'd like to lynch one of the people on the CN wagon. Can I get a rehash why each vote is there currently?

[pixel]

The only one on that wagon I'd be willing to lynch is SKOT.

[Lord Mhork]

I too am open to lynching SKOT

[Lord Mhork]

Plus did you see that tacky as fuck wagon jump?

[pieguyn]

On Chandra:
The point of Chandra was to be a better townie than Cephrir, sort of, or at least a more influential one. Since I think I may retire her after this now that I know I can't maintain her under pressure, here's how she's supposed to differ from me.

-She acts more confident than I actually feel
-Plays aggressively and abrasively.
-In order to sound confident, I tried to curtail my usual excessive use of wishy washy weasel words.

-Massively stream-of-consciousness posting. Chandra speaks her mind when she thinks of things. This results in frequent octuple posts.
-I'm pretty sure there was one more thing (I keep a list of her attributes next to me whenever I post as her because it's difficult for me to manage naturally, but it's at home and I am not).

you have no fucking right to nitpick over me calling you "obvious scum" when you're using these as strategies.

[pieguyn]

Titus
Trustworthy
Phantom- I could be getting burn(_209)'d here but I currently feel very good about this.

mastin- if my best defender is a scum-mastin, I'll be really sad.
massive
Mhork- I haven't seen his scumgame outside of IRC, so I don't know exactly what to expect from it, but this is beginning to feel like the Mhork I'm familiar with. And that doesn't include the townreading of me (scum-Mhork would be very stupid to suspect me, as it would literally be a scum claim), but rather the defending, though he could be doing it more.
F-16- mostly for steve. Actually, entirely for steve.
Antihero- frustration is fairly real, but also different from the town Anti I've seen before.
PV- standard "I don't think you're scum yet" PV read.

Pander- I have very little confidence in my ability to read DV, but I think they've been attacked unfairly at times.
pixel- Just not sure how I feel about them.
Tattletale=vezok (dead null)
Muffin- Played with you twice, this looks way more like the scum game. Mastin's read prevents you from being lower.
SKOT- I've backed off and liked some of his recent posting, but not enough to completely shake what I felt before.

ABR- I'm beginning to buy what Mhork is selling here.
Kagami- Just all around ew.

Magister Ludi- why isn't this scumfuck dead yet

also now I'm wondering about this post

it seems like it's coming from an angle of buying into Titus/Trustworthy being a town pair - most of the reads have reasons but he didn't bother listing any for them. but given he also left out the reason for the massive read, I don't think it means anything :/

[pixel]

Plus did you see that tacky as fuck wagon jump?

I saw it.

[pieguyn]

I'd like to lynch one of the people on the CN wagon. Can I get a rehash why each vote is there currently?

go back read 3490 try again. till then, why do you think CN is town?

[Pander Bears]

I feel a bit icky about lynching SKOT to be honest. I can't come up with a reason not to lynch him, but I feel he's more likely to be town than massive.

[Natirasha]

Prodding SKOT and Antihero.

[massive]

pixel

: Just so you don't think I'm ignoring the question,

I don't think your card name proved anything

, if scum have fake claims as we believe. I'm content to keep it in the back of my head for now. There are very VERY few Mirrodin-watermarked black creatures, so I'm assuming it's from an older set, and almost none of that is going to be alignment-indicative.

Did muffin ever mention anything about his ability card?

It certainly didn't prove anything. I haven't posted it.

Phone fixed the verb tense for me. Clearly I meant your card name proves nothing. Was that not obvious?

[massive]

He did.

Can you infer anything from his creature/ability, your own, and the ones claimed by SKOT and Chandra? If not, is it due to lack of Magic knowledge, or because no inference can be made? I could be hyperfocusing on it.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

more votes on chandra needed

[fferyllt]

He did.

Can you infer anything from his creature/ability, your own, and the ones claimed by SKOT and Chandra? If not, is it due to lack of Magic knowledge, or because no inference can be made? I could be hyperfocusing on it.

I lack Magic knowledge. I know what Zmuffin's ability card was. I don't remember if he posted it in the game thread. The wording makes sense that he would be a neighborizer, but neighborizer wasn't one of the abilities he thought of immediately when he first saw it.

I don't see any harm in posting it but I'll wait for some people with Magic knowledge to chime in about whether knowing a dead player's ability could help scum more than town.

I looked up SKOT's ability card, assuming watcher or some sort of investigative makes sense.

Ludi figured he was a tracker and evidently his card-to-actual-ability connection is fairly strong, since he did turn out to be tracker?

Unsummon also makes decent sense as a blocking ability on the face of it.

My ability card looks more ambiguous.

[pixel]

He did.

Can you infer anything from his creature/ability, your own, and the ones claimed by SKOT and Chandra? If not, is it due to lack of Magic knowledge, or because no inference can be made? I could be hyperfocusing on it.

I lack Magic knowledge. I know what Zmuffin's ability card was. I don't remember if he posted it in the game thread. The wording makes sense that he would be a neighborizer, but neighborizer wasn't one of the abilities he thought of immediately when he first saw it.

I don't see any harm in posting it but I'll wait for some people with Magic knowledge to chime in about whether knowing a dead player's ability could help scum more than town.

I looked up SKOT's ability card, assuming watcher or some sort of investigative makes sense.

Ludi figured he was a tracker and evidently his card-to-actual-ability connection is fairly strong, since he did turn out to be tracker?

Unsummon also makes decent sense as a blocking ability on the face of it.

My ability card looks more ambiguous.

this is a sign of coffee deficit.