SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Sensei]

The only possible problem with the "Klingon=scum" theory is that, assuming the scum is the one making the FIRE votes, it would be a little weird if Klingon has control of both the FIRE vote and the BIT vote.

Still, there aren't many suspects left, so we can test her to make sure.

Guessing the setup is how you lose games.

[Sensei]

Didn't we also figure out the the fire spreads by using a non killing action on someone with fire already anyway?

[Sensei]

Would the thing you used to block all night kills that night be considered targeting ABR?

[Sensei]

Probably not, actually. If it's a "global effect."

[Sensei]

Guys. It's okay. Klingon is the last scum.
Unless you can explain the town motivation for:
Being told to not out flum's commute - to attempt and clear him as town if CC stumps him.
But instead of doing that - deciding to in fact out flum's commute and going along with yosarians idea to stop all night actions.
While not even having any remnants of a scumread on flum - AND ALSO having no reason to believe the commute was compromised in the first place because the only people left alive from that party who would know were me (confirmed town) her and flum himself.

Worst case scenario is that the night goes according to plan and the scumkill gets blocked and flum is left alive the next day with us wondering if scum were in on the knowledge of the commute happening. But that's still better and worth the risk of the scumkill going through while flum dodges a stump and clearing him as town.
There's no way Klingon was unaware of this plan.

Also the drixx kill.

The last scum is within Kling/Yos/ABR for sure. The latter two have been far more town by play imo.

Hopefully it's spelled out well enough this time so you can appreciate how telling it actually is.

[Sensei]

^This is all giving klingon the benefit of the doubt and not just assuming she's completely daft.

[Sensei]

If that's the case I'd probably guess Yos.

[Sensei]

Also, would there be a way to test if someone has access to dodge drain that anyone can think of?

[Sensei]

Not any motive I can think of. It's just a blatantly suboptimal kill.
Points to Klingon again.

[Sensei]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

[Sensei]

We cannot dual lynch because of the vote shield.

Please trust me.

~Titus

Which is why we're waiting for klingon to show up and remove it.
If she doesn't she's as good as confirmed scum.
Keep up.

No. If Klingon removes her shield, ABR and Yos can quick lynch her.

They could literally quicklynch anybody else.

[Sensei]

We have the opportunity to clear/purge everyone in the lynchpool today and you're not down for that because you think that scum in this scenario would quicklynch and eat a strongman vig tonight.
That about right?

[Sensei]

And that if they were going for a quicklynch they'd do it on someone else in the lynchpool and not a confirmed town.

[Sensei]

There is very likely not 2 groupscum left.
Source: my reads and my sanity

[Sensei]

You haven't even responded to my stuff on klingon. You're just caught up in wanting to be right about your reads that expired on day 2.

[Sensei]

No, actually don't. I want klingon to respond first.
You don't need to sit her.

[Sensei]

Your argument for not wanting the opportunity to clear klingon is bad and I'm not betting the day on it.
This is our last chance to impale.
It's her or ABR.

[Sensei]

Yea.

[Sensei]

The shitty thing is that ABR just had to bring the entire lynchpool to koorong and make them all unlynchable without going through stupid tedious shit.
Fabulous decision.

[Sensei]

Actually when varsoon get's online we could check and see if it's activated.
That would confirm that she's trying to lurk it out.

[Sensei]

So at night it's like a commute and during the day it eats votes, essentially?

[Sensei]

And it's one shot per game yes?

[Sensei]

So we could impale/lynch klingon or even no lynch and try and have CC confirm either you or alb as town.

[Sensei]

Or at the very least force scum to no kill.

[Sensei]

Or gale slash all three of you. More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.

[Sensei]

No there's for sure scum left unless CC has a stump + NK.

[Sensei]

If kling doesn't die to impale then we could no lynch. You use the hide rune to dodge CC's stump. If there's a scumkill you're town. If not we impale you. Rinse repeat.

[Sensei]

Why/how do you know kling dies to impale?

[Sensei]

That would mean she's either fakeclaiming or didn't spark what I told her too.

[Sensei]

Both deserve death.

[Sensei]

If kling doesn't die to impale then we could no lynch. You use the hide rune to dodge CC's stump. If there's a scumkill you're town. If not we impale you. Rinse repeat.

Titus what is the flaw with this?

[Sensei]

You're forgetting that we can unvote directly after.

[Sensei]

I'll also go out on a limb that Yos hasn't used his hide rune yet.

[Sensei]

Thank you cerb.

[Sensei]

If kling doesn't die to impale then we could no lynch. You use the hide rune to dodge CC's stump. If there's a scumkill you're town. If not we impale you. Rinse repeat.

Titus what is the flaw with this?

We can't kill ABR Yoyo and Cerb if we need to.

The way we do it is Impale ABR. You murder Yoyo or Klingon. Lowkey sparks block or Heaven Hell. We spark block. Lynch TCC. Block Yoyo/Klingon with dual block.

Last two alive are us and Lowkey.

Yea but we don't need to kill them because if there's a scumkill then we've confirmed them as town?
What do we lose?

[Sensei]

We can literally impale someone without losing any confirmtown without getting

another

confirmed town.

[Sensei]

This also stops the last scum among those three from using their hide runes today without basically confirming themselves as scum. Which is the thing we're most worried about atm.

[Sensei]

I'd say Yos.
Difference is we get an extra impale and FORCE them to use up their hide runes.
I forgot you can't kill tonight, though.

[Sensei]

I say Yos because if he's town he's the most valuable rolewise.
If ABR lets me die tonight power lynch that fast and hard. Assuming we don't lynch him today.

[Sensei]

So new plan.
Impale kling.
Lynch ABR.
Yos hides while I shoot him.
If I die yos is confirmed town. If no kill impale yos.
If the games not over we end CC.

[Sensei]

Then go from there I guess?

[Sensei]

Global roleblock could screw with that, though.
I dunno.
Relying on the night phase already fucked us once.

[Sensei]

I'm not expecting klingon as scum to have made it this far and to piss it away by refusal to cooperate with town.

[Sensei]

I'm also trying to figure out a way to win if all three of you guys are town somehow.
Which is why I think using the hide runes to pseodo clear you - while taking a few more phases - gives us much more breathing room.

[Sensei]

So we need to square yos away first, that way his merchant ring can't mess with stuff again.
So maybe an impale on him wouldn't be the worst idea.

[Sensei]

If he's town he's probably a doc.
I'm doing that thing where I weigh out all possible scenarios and see which one is the better path to victory for town.

[Sensei]

Yes I like that plan too, but if yos is scum he can block my kill with the merchant ring and I'm assuming submit a scum kill.
I'm even more wary after he seemed to agree with instantly.

[Sensei]

And triple lynch

does

have a nice ring to it.

[Sensei]

Tell you what. Impale me and vote me at the exact same time. Then the next vote count will prove I was not hiding when you impaled me.

Meh. I think of the three you're most likely to be bulletproof just based on your play today.
I think impaling you is a last resort.
ABR went fucking nuts. And I've given my thoughts on klingon. I think they're much better bets.

[Sensei]

Exactly my point.

[Sensei]

I mean it's possible that yos is town and feels like he's played a good game and feels flabbergasted that he's still in the lynchpool and just wants to get conftown status because if he's town he's earned it.
But at the same time his role is the weirdest thing I've ever seen and varsoon throwing a BP in there wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Sensei]

I would love to but she needs to show up first.

[Sensei]

I'm really just super curious why she felt the need to out flums shade robe. :/
If she's town I'm gonna be upset.
Because that was like my favorite adventure hands down.

[Sensei]

First one is a close second.

[Sensei]

Yea but you rolled like the sickest indie role of all time.

[Sensei]

If kling sparked dodge drain like I asked her to then she should still be able to vote.

[Sensei]

If she can't. She's probably scum anyway.

[Sensei]

If kling sparked dodge drain like I asked her to then she should still be able to vote.

In other words the technique that doesn't let other people screw with your vote.

[Sensei]

It's probably ABR, isn't it.

[Sensei]

I'm guessing because ABR wants to get lynched and not impaled. Calling the bluff essentially.

[Sensei]

Oh you're still pushing ABR/Yos scumteam?
Ight then.

[Sensei]

I don't think both Yos and ABR fooled me. One of em might of. But not both.
Klingon is still my best bet and I'm just as confirmed town as you are. Doesn't make either of us right.

[Sensei]

If Yos has heaven/hell why is he asking to get impaled so hard?

[Sensei]

Even if he hammers he knows it's a scumclaim. He wouldn't fuck with that as either alignment especially because we're not even close to lylo and we have more than a handful of ways to deal with ingrates.

[Sensei]

Oh believe me. I'm not taking any chances.
We're solving this shit TODAY.

[Sensei]

Lol. Titus is pissed.

[Sensei]

Like. We can compromise. It's just hard for me to see where you're coming from most of the time.
Klingon is probably scum. Or daft. But we can find that out today and then purge ABR.
I don't get why we need to impale him.
Everybody wins.

[Sensei]

The thought of hammering abr, yosarian, cerberus and wgeurts all at the same time gets me rock hard.

[Sensei]

I don't not know what I did to make anyone that upset.

[Sensei]

But if I did, then I'd probably apologize.

[Sensei]

You can't make people play against wincon with it.

[Sensei]

It's Varsoons call. Could go either way.

[Sensei]

Still don't think scum are really itching to quickhammer here but meh.

[Sensei]

Sounds like a fair compromise I suppose.

[Sensei]

You've been working with us after all.

[Sensei]

is that good or bad or both?

[Sensei]

Oh good everyone's here. We can hash this out.

[Sensei]

There's a lot of stuff in this game that blocks kills. Yos has one and has actually proven that he has it.
You've yet to even claim your targets.

[Sensei]

We're waiting for her to catch up and respond to 500 posts and respond to anything she can in a way resembles something that looks like scumhunting if you squint really hard at it.

[Sensei]

It's probably klingon.
Or ABR.
But most likely klingon.

[Sensei]

And to that I say. Shrug.
They're both either dying or getting daygunsmithvig'd.

[Sensei]

Stepping out for a while because there's not much to add until klingon gets in here and stops hiding in the party chat.

[Sensei]

I think she's like blatantly contradicted herself about 10 times or so.
Probably just bad town but I still gotta think on it.

[Sensei]

Klingon actually respond to the flipping post and not just the first line out of context jesus tittyfucking christ with this already.

[Sensei]

Wait. Shit shit shit shit shit.

Whoever killed Drixx got all his items. Probably including his hide rune, although I have to check that with the mod.

The scum has at least 1 hide rune. If the scum is Klingon, Albert, or Lowkey, they actually have 2 hide runes.

Oh ffs I forgot about this.

[Sensei]

^that's genius flum

[Sensei]

except that i wouldn't be able to kill and hide but meh

[Sensei]

OR OR OR
Klingon gives me her rune.
Yea I like that plan more.

[Sensei]

Oh that sucks.

[Sensei]

So new plan.
Impale kling.
Lynch ABR.
Yos hides while I shoot him.
If I die yos is confirmed town. If no kill impale yos.
If the games not over we end CC.

Flum thoughts on this?
Nobody has thought of anything safer/better yet that I've seen.

[Sensei]

Yea triple lynch is cooler and would be a good note to go out on but this accomplishes about the same thing right?

[Sensei]

Well it's a good thing I'm the one with access to it then.

[Sensei]

We literally have two weeks btw.

[Sensei]

Would there be a risk of Yos having a roleblock?

Actually yes there is.
But he still ends up impaled.

[Sensei]

Impale

is

a vote, though.

[Sensei]

Or a doublevote rather.

[Sensei]

Still not sure what about quickhammer=scumclaim isn't english either.

[Sensei]

Then we make everyone in the pool submit to two rune tests.

[Sensei]

Btw fuck you ABR for your glorious hide runes once again.

[Sensei]

Was it just that one ring that gets past via kill then?

[Sensei]

Sounds more elegant.

[Sensei]

So good news then?
@cerb?

[Sensei]

Look at yosarian trying to fake a towntell. Pfft.

[Sensei]

Morning.
Can we slay klingon yet?

[Sensei]

Ok let's wait a bit then. Gonna to salt the walk.

[Sensei]

So we're just waiting for varsoon to get on then?
There's no way Kling has two hide runes.

[Sensei]

I'm trusting you guys here to not let Klingon off the hook if she doesn't follow through now that neither me nor Albert can hammer. Sensei, that probably means you, since I dont think titus is going to follow through and lynch Klingon.

If Klingon survives the impale then she's probably town and we won't be lynching her today.

[Sensei]

Sensei, I have detected a problem with your plan for tonight: If yosarian is BP, which is the scenario we're looking at given his insistence on being impaled, he could send in a kill tonight and still not die from your night kill. The choice you're trying to force him to make isn't one that actually exists, in the only scenario that makes sense for scum!Yosarian.

That thought crossed my mind as well. I think our best failsafe is to bring as little people into this night that aren't confirmed town/impaled or you guys. That way it's pretty obvious we're dealing with a bulletproof scum and we can lynch out of lowkey/klingon and kill the other.
I'm kinda doubting that it comes down to that but who knows with this game.

[Sensei]

What then? If she doesn't use up the rune?
She already did.

[Sensei]

So let's say klingon survives the impale. ABR/Yos both flip town. CC and me die tonight. Brings us to:
DP/Lowkey/Klingon three player lylo.
If Klingon is scum then she basically wins by her vote/bit vote.
Lowkey could also be scum and would have been smart and sparked up the doublevote as well.
So maybe NOT NKing CC would be the safer play. Making the votes to lynch threshold 3 instead of 2?

[Sensei]

That's just banking on CC being real about their wincon. Which I'm still iffy on tbh. But im trying to expect the worst rn.

[Sensei]

I also don't really think Yos is scum.

[Sensei]

I want mod confirmation that she's votable first.

[Sensei]

Also no idea why you all are so confident klingons town. Even her posts today have swayed me to think scum that much more.

[Sensei]

She hasn't even yet addressed the reason for saying "don't impale flum" in the last adv.
Lacks town motivation.
Has plenty of scum motive.

[Sensei]

If it's not her it's also pretty much gotta be ABR.
The two of them have the claims I like the least.

[Sensei]

You didn't see Yos' claim in the day 3 adventure but it was right after I asked him to. And much like CC would have been one hell of a fakeclaim.

[Sensei]

Scum were pretty clearing bussing like mad this game no matter who the last one is.

[Sensei]

No. There's lots of town motivation there. You don't burn day cops on hard town reads unless necessary.

Not when we talked in great lengths about why we needed flum to get stumped.
And she's pretty clearly lying about how the whole thing got brought up because I don't think talks of impaling a claimed BP would have even been a thing.

[Sensei]

It's fine, though.
Words are just words.
Let's see what color she bleeds.

[Sensei]

Naw. We're still getting scum kills at night.

[Sensei]

Skybird kill in particular feels like a kill Klingon would make.
IE not a good one.

[Sensei]

I mean yea they're playing around docs apparently. But still.
Drixx kill is also strange when everyone is wide open.
Unless you're klingon who didn't know I was confirmed town apparently.

[Sensei]

Drixx wouldn't have had Lifesprinkles today.

[Sensei]

I was also still paranoid of him. Not sure about the rest of you.
That zulfy kill. Still can't get over that.

[Sensei]

Also meh about the skybird kill when the threads general concesus was still gonna be looking at her sideways.
Unless you were in the party with me when I said "skybird is basically confirmed town nobody touches her." The night after the DGB lynch.

[Sensei]

Go read his flip Sensei. People with gold, which included Drixx it seems, got to spark two things last night. His flip shows he had access to Life Sprinkler. And everyone in the party who knew about the double spark would have known it was possible.

Oh. I wasn't in on that.
Fuck so that means abr/lowkey/klingon/yos and friends all have mad sparks now?

[Sensei]

Oh right not all of them had gold nvm.

[Sensei]

Also don't know that cerb as the last threat to town with no hope of winning even bothers posting at all today. So there's that too.

[Sensei]

Sup flum.
Dunno. You'd think he'd be happy we're about to win.

[Sensei]

Me?

[Sensei]

If ABR's scum I'm calling zulfy's babelcrumbel a pretty decent play actually.

[Sensei]

Accidental or not. hehe

[Sensei]

Agree. You or Yos played really well if scum. POE just bit you in the ass.

[Sensei]

You missed my point dude.
Pretty sure impaling kling ends the game.

[Sensei]

Why does it seem like you're sure there will be a "tomorrow morning" if you think our plays today wins the game?

[Sensei]

Why do you care about that scenario if that means you lose the game?

[Sensei]

Yea I'm thinking we go back to trilynch.

[Sensei]

Plus that way I'm free to vig accordingly in the event that doesn't win the game.

[Sensei]

Okay so do we know for a fact that voting cancels out the hide rune?
Hold on I'm gonna double check.

[Sensei]

Rosario Impale: Klingon

diediedie
UNVOTE:

[Sensei]

GG.

[Sensei]

Thanks for the game varsoon.
Cool roles.
Fucking amazeballs flavor.
I FUCKING FELT LIKE I WAS PLAYING AN RPG AND GOT TO PICK A PARTY FOR HALF THE GAME
11/10

[Sensei]

I FUCKING DAYVIG'D SCUM AND VOTED EVERY PERSON IN THE PLAYLIST TWICE.
THAT'S FUCKING FORTY EIGHT VOTES
THAT'S A LOT
EVEN HAD A SEPTUPLE VOTE THAT I NEVER EVEN GOT TO USE BUT ALMOST DID ON THREE OCCASIONS.
This game.

[Sensei]

I'm reading the dead thread and don't get why you're all hating on town so much.
Town played astronomically well here.

[Sensei]

I don't even feel like we lost.

[Sensei]

Yea we're cool why wouldn't we be?

[Sensei]

Yosarian2 uses the Merchant Ring, causing all other non-killing night actions to fail--success
Albert B. Rampage protects Drixx--Failure, Merchant Ring
Sensei uses Deflect to protect Drixx--Failure, Merchant Ring
Drixx uses Deflect to protect Sensei--Failure, Merchant Ring

that fail tho

This fucked us hard.
Klingon played you guys.

[Sensei]

What really blows is that if we had impaled yos or abr we were most likely going to lynch kling/tcc/the other. Especially after I realized how weird cerb was being about not wanting to be lynched. In particular saying "we're trying to make sure only confirmed town are alive tomorrow" rang super not-genuine considering that there was no way he'd care about that happening at all. So me being right screwed us essentially.

[Sensei]

Or I guess impaling yos because abr would have died. That would have worked out a lot better.

[Sensei]

Why because kling could have hammered while we were setting it up?

[Sensei]

I also could have turbid current'd CC and then vig'd klingon.
But that's hindsight, though. And if I'm wrong the L is all on me.

[Sensei]

2 SKs is two too much.

[Sensei]

Next Varsoon game when?

[Sensei]

Also still have no idea why titus was pissed at me.

[Sensei]

And I realized this kinda late. But shiro having zulfy and I as confirmed town doesn't swing the balance AS MUCH even with another actual IC in the game because both of our roles were pretty obviously town anyway.

[Sensei]

Because you figure coupled with the hated and FIRE stuff. If either of us are scum lylo comes way too soon.