Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[House]

Self-voting outside of self-hammering is a null tell. I've seen it happen from frustrated town and scum both. As scum, it's AtE. As town, it's surrender/fukitol.

Instantly writing off self-votes as scummy is scummy.

Self-hammering is an exception because it has an immediate benefit for scum in shutting down communication.

I've actually only ever seen town self-hammer. But I've seen scum self-vote for sympathy pretty often. Either way, the self-vote is only a small part of my case on Ika. It's interesting that FourTrouble is ignoring the entire rest of my case.

Why would you choose to argue about whether self-hammering is scummy or not, when it's too late to form a read post-hammer?

Give him the Amish treatment. They shun troublemakers in their society, refusing to talk to or even look at them.

And if that's his intention? Because that's a scum tactic I've seen before. Why do you automatically dismiss this possibility?

A shunned player becomes a non-entity. Titus wasn't asking about scum causing drama. She specifically said

town

.

If Tom is reading Dick as scum and Dick is being a drama whore, why would Tom ignore him when he could find proof of Dick's scumminess in the drama to convince Harry? That doesn't mean Sally has to pore over Dick's posts if she thinks Dick is just dick town.

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Not liking how Pasch is promoting giving drama whores an audience. That said, I don't think it's alignment indicative as much as it is a difference of opinion.

[House]

VOTE: Titus

Policy Vote.

Dear lord, more policy lynching? Holy shit.

My vote actually had nothing to do with the game itself. It's tradition.

Also welcome to our shitty game, House.

Thanks! )

Midget, the suspicion on Pasch has nothing to do with Om. Take a look at his votes. He defends Zombeh for self-voting, then jumps on ika when he self-votes. He hasn't done anything significant this game other than attack the reasoning others use - so his play is reactive (just sitting on the outside), inconsistent, and opportunistic (voting ika).

I don't know, I've been pretty opportunistic this game too.
I don't understand why we don't just lynch the both of them and be done with it sometimes, its like an old married couple in here.

Is that old married couple scum?

I suppose I should have said "intentional self voting is never okay"

How does one unintentionally self-vote?

Re-read game, vote player, then realize you voted the slot you replaced into. AKA Amished.

Does that make the slot scum? I've read about the Amished tell, and tbh I'm not a fan. But I guess Pasch views such a vote as acceptable, since he makes the distinction.

@eyestott: stop 5-posting please.

Is this a better way to respond? A lot of people hate so many quotes because it makes responding more difficult for those who aren't comfortable with BB Code.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

>votes major wagon
>0 justification

You're a part of the problem, become a part of the solution or eat some rope.

I can sheep this.

VOTE: Flubbs

[tn5421]

1: You're welcome
2: I don't think it's a town vs town argument.
3: It doesn't, I was just adding my 2 cents. It's an awful tell anyway, Just Ask Cabd.
4: The easiest to deal with on mobile is the post tag, since it links the post without taking a lot of screen space. Second easiest is to address the player as I did. I got lazy.
5: Sounds like a plan.

[House]

4: The easiest to deal with on mobile is the post tag, since it links the post without taking a lot of screen space. Second easiest is to address the player as I did. I got lazy.

When you're addressing several different points in the same post, a post tag isn't enough.

[Flubbernugget]

You voted for me, because....reasons.

You're voting for Pasch for a policy vote.

How can anyone in their right fucking mind go "this is Town?"

Hey remember when I tried to have a productive conversation with you and you blew me off?

[FourTrouble]

House, why aren't you on Pasch? Flubs is a shitty lynch for Today - we'll learn a lot about his alignment based on Pasch's flip.

[FourTrouble]

Tn, what's your read on Pasch?

[House]

House, why aren't you on Pasch? Flubs is a shitty lynch for Today - we'll learn a lot about his alignment based on Pasch's flip.

Pasch is the easy wagon. He's often mislynched as town because he plays a scummy town game.

I'm not townreading him because of that, but I'm not interested in a D1 lynch on him based on what's out there so far.

[FourTrouble]

You seem to suggest either Om or Pasch is scum or both. Which are likely scum and why?

[FourTrouble]

958 is directed at tn.

[FourTrouble]

Pasch is the easy wagon. He's often mislynched as town because he plays a scummy town game.

I don't think his wagon is easy. I haven't looked into his meta and I'm not very good at meta analysis - if you know him well can you speak more about this?

[Randomnamechange]

So who are we lynching?

[Paschendale]

I'm not ignoring Pasch's case. I've asked for it multiple times:

I've given it multiple times. What part is confusing you?

Pasch says he was trying to stop a mislynch. But --

A bad case is more likely to be wrong than a good one. Trumped up bullshit on a null read of mine is probably a mislynch. Don't you care about finding scum and not lynching nullreads?

Also note the scummy loaded questions in 936 ("why are you lying?").

Not loaded. You are lying. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're doing it on purpose rather than you're just being dumb.

Then why don't both you and Pasch back me up and you can get to your shitty love/hate argument tomorrow?

I'll take a look at Flubber and get back to you.

because pasch dying today creates a better non-toxic environment tomorrow

According to Om, scumhunting is toxic.

if you dont wanna get on pasch then get on titus
i wont accept any other lynch mate

Scumposting

Why would you choose to argue about whether self-hammering is scummy or not, when it's too late to form a read post-hammer?

I don't like being misrepped.

Not liking how Pasch is promoting giving drama whores an audience. That said, I don't think it's alignment indicative as much as it is a difference of opinion.

I also don't like people trying to avoid scrutiny. That's a number one scumtell to me.

[Paschendale]

On the subject of Flubber, what the heck is with his votes? Dino for no reason, but apparently he meant Ghost? And then votes me but tries to divest himself of responsibility for that vote in the same post. Yeah, I see duplicity there. And most of his posts are pretty fluffy.

Besides the votes, what stands out the most to you, TN?

[Titus]

Let's vote Eye. Pasch is a counterwagon to obvscum Eye.

Pasch, Om being stubborn is not scumposting.

[Paschendale]

Let's vote Eye. Pasch is a counterwagon to obvscum Eye.

Pasch, Om being stubborn is not scumposting.

Town Om doesn't act like that, and I'm still waiting on an actual case against Eye. Maybe you'll provide one. Why do you think he's scum?

[Om of the Nom]

Let's vote Eye. Pasch is a counterwagon to obvscum Eye.

Pasch, Om being stubborn is not scumposting.

Town Om doesn't act like that, and I'm still waiting on an actual case against Eye. Maybe you'll provide one. Why do you think he's scum?

you have no idea what the fuck town om acts like you fricker
all the meta you have is like fucking over a year old at the least

[Flubbernugget]

House, why aren't you on Pasch? Flubs is a shitty lynch for Today - we'll learn a lot about his alignment based on Pasch's flip.

Why exactly am I a better lynch tomorrow than today?

[FourTrouble]

I believe Pasch's flip + nightkill will give us information about you.

[FourTrouble]

I've given it multiple times. What part is confusing you?

Please direct me to your "multiple" cases. I can't find them.

[FourTrouble]

According to Om, scumhunting is toxic.

For someone who says they hate misreps so much, you shouldn't be saying stuff like this. It's not what Om meant and you're at least smart enough to know that.

[FourTrouble]

Not loaded. You are lying. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're doing it on purpose rather than you're just being dumb.

I'm not lying. I'm also not misrepresenting you. You're just not taking clear positions which allows you to keep saying people are misrepresenting you when they're really not.

[FourTrouble]

Anyway, done talking with Pasch. He's either scum or plays pro-scum. I'm not great with meta but if someone else is, it would be worth looking into.

[FourTrouble]

Let's vote Eye. Pasch is a counterwagon to obvscum Eye

Eye isn't "obvscum." I don't even think he's scum. Explain. Why is eye scum and why is Pasch town?

[eyestott]

I'll be reading up now.