Touhou UPick 3 - [Game Over]

[Sakura Hana]

So let me get this out of the way to prevent any shenanigans

Vote: notscience

Reading now.

[Sakura Hana]

春だよ！春だよ！

Spring is here!

And, in the spirit of Spring, Lily thinks that we should all vote for Shadoweh!

Oh cool, i bloom in spring.

Spring is here!

Is this becoming a trend?

Hi Lily! Lily hopes to get along with the other Lily!

Wait what
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What's with the Serene's argument about an offsite tell, how valid is it?

[Sakura Hana]

Muffin are you town?

[Sakura Hana]

My answer to that depends heavily on whether you're a lie detector. Are you a lie detector?

Why would me being a lie detector influence you answering truthfully or not?
If you're scum you can tell me, I won't bite.

[Sakura Hana]

You'll see soon enough.

How soon?

Vote 2:GIF

(Figured i'd go ahead and show i can double vote)

[Sakura Hana]

Muffin are you town?

(Figured i'd ask again.)

[Sakura Hana]

The replies in themselves don't really help but I figure you'd doublecheck your meta references as scum considering you've spent long periods of time looking for games where you haven't bussed your buddies to reference in other games so eh

we have a group chat where he mentioned playing an offsite game and spending a lot of time looking for a game to showcase as meta of him not bussing his buddies.

What the hell?

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, as you probably already noticed I have 2 votes that can seal off people's day spellcard as long as i'm voting them. I can also use them to create a double hammer apparently.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Relentless I like your avatar.

[Sakura Hana]

Also Gaiden's town.

[Sakura Hana]

am i

Dunno, because you're talking in the same way you did in our previous games
I shall figure out pie first and if he's town then i'll let him figure you out for me.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 scum among pie, notty and SB, you guys know why.

Also i'm currently thinking of what would be the most effective way to use my votes, just to seal spellcards or to vote, but then if you guys need a 2x hammer that'd be a problem.

Also notty why haven't you said you're obvtown yet.

pie, that was a super quick way of sorting muffin, wth?

as for muffin's questions, you feel with the same snark that i remember from both Saki and THUpick2, it's hard for me to form a read on you and i don't want to make the mistakes i did in THUpick2 and Saki again, Gaiden's a gut read for the time being, I haven't rolled town for 3 games in a row, so I don't trust myself that much.

[Sakura Hana]

I dunno, that seems way too simple and i dont want to end up sealing someone when i haven't formed any solid scumreads yet. So i rather seal potential shenanigans, speaking of which

Unvote: GIF
Vote: Ankamius

[Sakura Hana]

Or just in case i worded that awkwardly

Unvote

Vote 1: notscience

Vote 2: Ankamius

[Sakura Hana]

do you currently think he's scum?

I currently think that I have no idea, my gameplan was sorting you out first so you could help me sort him out, but you're being way different than I remember

[Sakura Hana]

you would keep your votes off the main wagons.

And they currently are, aren't they?
I'm just saving them and using them just for sealing atm, in case people want a 2x lynch. It's kind of an awkward role to have, but I guess it's better than not even having a single vote and being a public JOAT right? XP

[Sakura Hana]

I'm pretty sure I played similarly to this in GIF's game? where exactly is this coming from?

Really? but in that game I already knew your alignment, so i probably wasn't paying attention, im just comparing you to THUpick2.

[Sakura Hana]

@pie: What are the odds of:

there's at least 1 scum among pie, notty and SB

Whcih one was O569?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait, was that the one i replaced out of? Hope+1?
I almost forgot you were there.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, still can't find something similar there, you were more aggresive?

[Sakura Hana]

Well i'll be back later (inb4 there's 10 new pages by the time i get back)
PEd: Well i don't remember, how recent was that game anyway?

[Sakura Hana]

If anything it seems like you gave your archnemesis, muffin a way too easy townread... but well i'll dwell on it when i'm back.

[Sakura Hana]

I am back, but im pretty tired, so im not sure if i missed anything important but it didn't seem like it, does anyone have any questions for me?

[Sakura Hana]

Well I told you and mala your votes suck

Ummm

How does it feel to vote town

Ummm

Are you scum with gaiden

Atm im not using my votes to vote scum, but to seal off possible shenanigans, didn't you read my exchange with GIF earlier?

[Sakura Hana]

oh...

Unvote: notscience

Vote: GIF

[Sakura Hana]

Imma just gonna go head to bed.

[Sakura Hana]

GiF: Definitely hasn't contributed

If this is your reason for suspecting GIF, then what's your opinion on me who hasn't contributed much either?

AD: No

What is this supposed to mean?

MotK

Is this that site that has all the cool danmakufu people?

because saying SB was reckless when posting about bussing doesn't make sense, it could only be reckless if he was self-conscious about it and did it anyway, and he isn't self-conscious at all.

So how do you tell the difference between doing it and not doing it for determining his alignment?

ask Sakura. I can't see the differences either.

I don't even remember, this game's half gut and half just to see your reaction. For one, I haven't rolled town in forever so I don't even remember how I used to read you and two Last scum game of yours I remember was back in the first Mafia in the land of Fantasy where I replaced in.

PEd: Dat rylai vote... wth?

[Sakura Hana]

how much, specifically, do you remember from the last touhou upick?

I remember me being voteless, sending a public investigate on Varsoon pretty early in the game, some people wanting me dead like always, bork vs muffin, then i check some muffin games and give him a townread, you agreeing with me on that townread, more arguments, then i dont remember who got lynched, then you died N1 and Varsoon was a godfather, I remember me lying about my role a lot but i got roleblocked and vigged on N2, and that's all I remember.

[Sakura Hana]

also I have literally no fucking idea why you questioned my Rylai vote when you asked this in literally the same post, but meh

Because my reason may not be the same as yours, and i dont particularly know what's going through your mind so a naked vote doesnt tell me much.

[Sakura Hana]

if you remember me town reading him in that game, why were you surprised when I gave him a town read here?

Because you were wrong in that game, what makes you think you're not wrong about him here, you always talk about him being your archnemesis, im really surprised you'd give him a townread that easily, i wasn't even able to townread him in Saki until he made his case on me.

no reaction at all to my suspicion of you? I wasn't sure exactly how you'd react, but I expected you would be at least somewhat interested in me calling you scum without explaining the reason.

You should know i don't react to suspicion, I react to emotion.

[Sakura Hana]

the hell does this mean?

I have no idea what you're saying here and I don't remember this being part of your play style at all.

Sigh, really, you know me more well than anyone here and you don't remember that? My feels

[Sakura Hana]

Back when I was very emotional, i would react to every single suspicion on me, after that I tried to remove the emotional part of me, while i couldn't really fully remove it I managed to shrug off any sort of suspicion regardless of alignment, I react to emtion meaning that I don't react to a single suspicion, but I get emotional when I don't understand what's going on or why i'm being suspected and tend to just blame myself for it and resign, either in the form of a self vote or a replace out, on other ocasions i just yell at people and get fed up with the game.

his is even more so the case when it's coming from me. you should expect me to know how to read you, or at the very least find you when you're town. you weren't set off at all by me supposedly reading you wrong?

Because i'm trying to figure out if the why is because you are scum or the why is because i am rusty at scumhunting. And i'm starting to lean on the later after your last post.

[Sakura Hana]

I have powerful day cards and i don't see why scum wouldn't have something similar to counter, specially if I have that ability.
And i've tried staying off the main wagons what the hell are you on about?

[Sakura Hana]

I think he has a point on SF.

[Sakura Hana]

you wanted to figure out if I was scum, and you thought the best way to do that was to........ NOT engage me about my suspicion of you?

Yeah, so?

incidentally, not asking me about it also makes no sense from a POV of being concerned about my alignment.

Uh, i did ask you about it, i found it odd that you had gotten a townread on him so early and that's what we've debating about for a long while already.

[Sakura Hana]

What do you think of Serene's recent posts?

I think he's going way over the top on something that's irrelevant.

[Sakura Hana]

I have no fricken idea, the closest thing i have to a scumread is SF.

[Sakura Hana]

if you were legitimately interested in sorting me, you should have taken that opportunity to engage me on my suspicion of you instead of just sitting there doing fuck all about it.

And since when do you decide what's going through my head? you know i try to stay calm in my posts to prevent from exploding like I usually do, if that's not enough for you then go ahead and think whatever the hell you want, because i've already tried to reach out to you and i'm not gonna spend all this day phase just trying to reason with you.

[Sakura Hana]

How does it make LyLo a race to post first?

PEd: @Pie when i was talking about my emotions earlier.
It's not that i was ignoring your suspicion, I alienate myself from all suspicions to prevent me from exploding like i used to do when people voted me, this has been going around for over a year in my playstyle, im surprised you never noticed it.

[Sakura Hana]

Pretty ok with rylai seems town.

What

If it wasn't obvious I think serene is town with that explanation of the sb suspicion and I can follow it.

What x2

[Sakura Hana]

So I would expect that any double/quintuple/whatever vote powers on one person in general won't be usable in LYLO.

My ability still works in LyLo.

If it's for sealing purposes, why hasn't she addressed GIF's claim that his day-use card can't be sealed?

Idc if it can be sealed or not, nor trust what he says, it looked to me like a way to make me unseal it.

The more I think about her GIF vote the more it rubs me the wrong way given his claim (and her non-addressing of it).

I didn't ignore it, but i didn't feel like giving it importance considering 1) It could be GIF joking and 2) If it's true he shouldn't be scared of me sealing it anyway, so who cares if my vote's there.
Why is it important to you that I'm sealing GIF's possible day cards?
And @All why is it so fricken important that i'm using my votes to seal people's day cards? I am using my votes the way i want to use them, not the way people want me to use them.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote: GIF
Vote: Rylai

[Sakura Hana]

do you have additional reasons for this, or is this a sheep?

I didn't like his/her former post that made you vote him/her either, and the latest post was even worse... since it's my first solid scumread atm i moved one of my votes there.

[Sakura Hana]

It could be GIF joking

[Sakura Hana]

Shadoweh I read it and honestly that post is town town town.

I agree, i read it as well.
I like the analysis brought up by SP, But one thing that i don't get is if SP thinks both SF and SB are scum, and decided to play that cross busing tactic at the start of the game. @SkyP <- would be nice if you could clarify that.

I just don't like the all of a sudden Sakura vote on the heels of Pieguyn's budding suspicion.

Huh? I didn't see it that way, it looked like Kagami's vote came independently of pie's read.

I didn't read SkyP's post! though skimming it it seems like moonlogic was employed!

Not really, he has some very good and valid points about SB and SF.

Unvote

Vote: Serenes Forest

Vote: SB

Let's see where this goes.

[Sakura Hana]

What did you actually agree with?

The points about "stronger" and "weaker" votes that he put up against Serene, I also agreed about the weak reasonings for vote changing on both cases. Will be checking the meta myself as well soon... when I remember my MotK account (Since it's been 5 years since i last was there when i was messing up with Danmakufu)
I disagree with the points against pie

[Sakura Hana]

(Since it's been 5 years since i last was there when i was messing up with Danmakufu)

Huh, seems like my email isn't even there anymore, i wonder if there was a change or smth, well just made a new one anyways.

[Sakura Hana]

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Ok, after checking the meta... what the hell? that meta's just about useless =/
He's joked about busing half the time as scum and half the time as town (66% as town if you count the self vote joke "Next-Level Busing" lol'd)

Unvote: SB

Vote: Rylai

I still agree about Serenes tho.

[Sakura Hana]

In fact, now that makes me even MORE suspicious of Serenes, since he's the one that brough the busing joke to begin with at the start.

[Sakura Hana]

I just realized SkyPal also mentioned this 50% town/scum busing joke ratio... i really need to pay more attention when reading through walls while half asleep @_@

[Sakura Hana]

I'm wondering why you never brought up your meta despite him asking for it?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok i just went over Madoka and Medical Mafia again just to be sure, but Drezi's town.

[Sakura Hana]

Link

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/232695 Medical Mafia is the only Drezi scumgame i remember.
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/240614 Madoka is the last town game of Drezi i remember, well there's also that dayvig one, but everyone was just derp and i yolo shooted someone.

[Sakura Hana]

To note, Drezi played all of D1 on Madoka Magica, replaced out during the night but we night killed him anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

@Serenes: So basically you don't like Kagami who voted me for the reasons you're not liking me and think I'm scum, yet you're voting her?... wth kinda logic is that.

[Sakura Hana]

She also seems to have switched onto voting scumreads after relentless called her out on using her votes to seal day abilities instead of voting who she thinks is scum so her whole game comes across as passive and reactionary. MS people should probably let me know if this is her usual thing.

I didn't have any solid scumreads at that point. I said as much before that i'd start voting scumreads when i had them:

I dunno, that seems way too simple and i dont want to end up sealing someone

when i haven't formed any solid scumreads yet. So i rather seal potential shenanigans

, speaking of which

Unvote: GIF
Vote: Ankamius

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of, no this isn't my usual thing, it can't be since it's the first time my vote has an additional effect on the person being voted than just the added pressure.

[Sakura Hana]

I really should start condensing my posts into a single one more often, if not for the fact that i go over people's posts and find other things that bother me after i've already replied to something @_@
But i find it odd that you are saying that Ankamius and Drezi have no content.

[Sakura Hana]

Skimming through those osu games, I don't see how you concluded he's town. Talk about it a bit, please.

Medical Mafia he seems way more passive, posts less, Madoka he looked more aggresive, posts more often (tho maybe that's biased since i was scum and he was onto me but w/e), it seems that he's treating you the same way he did to me on Madoka.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not even talking about associations, you're just saying Kagami is scum for the way she voted me, yet the reasons she voted me are the same reasons you think i'm scum for, ergo shouldn't you think she's town since she has the same mindset as you OR think im town since you dont like how she voted me?

[Sakura Hana]

Nevermind i went to look back at Kagami's reasons, and the one that has similar reasons to Kagami is Relentless not you. My bad.

[Sakura Hana]

Also when I asked if this was usually your thing I was referring to passive play where you only really post if somebody's asking you questions, not about the doublevote daycard-seal thing

Well you can easily find that out if you click on my wiki button i have most of my games there (until i stopped updating it, i should probably update it at some point). Or you can ask pie who seems to be more familiar with my play than myself @_@

[Sakura Hana]

Nevermind i went to look back at Kagami's reasons, and the one that has similar reasons to Kagami is Relentless not you. My bad.

[Sakura Hana]

Sigh, why the hell am i making so many mistakes, i should just go with my gut like i used to and be done with it...

[Sakura Hana]

I can provide more Drezi town games, but unfortunately i don't know any more scum games of him, at least on osu!.
Also

Unvote: Serenes Forest

Literally all of my scumreads are becoming townreads after interaction, go me!
Maybe i need to do a reset and go through with my gut and see what i can find.

[Sakura Hana]

muffin, can you tell me your thoughts on SkyPal, Relentless, SB and Serenes?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm currently at an inpasse, I'm not sure if i'm townreading SkyPal because of the verbosity of his latest post or because he actually went and digged into meta to support his reasoning, i'm not sure if i'm giving a free pass to relentless or he's actually town, but there's not much I remember from his posts other than the discussion wrt SB and SF and the role claim, not sure if im giving SB a townread just because someone else fumbled the meta or because their posts are actually genuine, and im not sure if i like Serenes posts against me, or i feel his reads have a natural trajectory.

I'm kinda confused atm @_@

[Sakura Hana]

Literally this is the people i'm townreading via gut: Gaiden, mufifn, pie, GIF, Dan, Anka (Cbot), Kagami, notty
this is the people i'm unsure about and pretty confused: thkgdswhathever, SB, SkyPal, Relentless, Kilgamayan, mala, Serene, Shadoweh (I feel they are town, but something doesn't feel right)
Literally my only scumread feels too easy: Rylai

So uhhh help? @_@

PEd: Lol'd.
PEd2: Thanks.

[Sakura Hana]

Literally this is the people i'm townreading via gut: Gaiden, mufifn, pie, GIF, Dan, Anka (Cbot), Kagami, notty

EBWODP: +Drezi

[Sakura Hana]

Ah well i gotta go for the time being, i'll check your 534 when i get back (and slap me if i forget)

[Sakura Hana]

Or are you saying that his suspicion of Rylai, fruit so low it could actually be a potato that's been mistaken for a fruit, was somehow controversial?

I lol'd

pieguy

gaiden has done more scum hunting than Drezi

think about that

gaiden
has
done
more
scum
hunting

At first i thought you were joking, then i went and looked and... you're actually right.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh, and I'm still considering actually using the card. FYI, it's a modified gladiator ability that lets me choose two people that aren't necessarily myself (though I can also choose myself if I so wish). If I really want him lynched, I'm going to pit him against, say, thd - a fight he's going to lose (basically ensuring his lynch). But I'm currently considering just pitting him against another scum read of mine and letting things play out. Depends how selfish I wanna be.

I do wanna use this though, partially just to use it up in case of any card-stealing shenanigans or the like, and partially to prove I had it at my disposal and chose not to save it for a lylo situation (though this would involve people believing I could use it in a lylo situation, so *shrug*)

And how would using something like that give us info?

[Sakura Hana]

I think we get way less info from a lynch if you reduce the lynch pool to 2 people, sure, you may get info about either of the 2 you want lynched, but then the people voting wouldn't give much info about their votes.

[Sakura Hana]

Like let's say i wanna see who A votes out of X, Y and Z, and you reduce the lynch pool to Z and C, then he's obviously going to vote Z and i end up not knowing who would he vote out of those 3.

[Sakura Hana]

and it seems you're suggesting that the only information that can ever be gained is from a wagon that goes to lynch naturally?

That's not what i'm suggesting, but i do think it does give more information than a wagon from a reduced lynchpool. So once again, why would you use that on D1 instead of something like D3?
PEd: lol ninja'd

[Sakura Hana]

Admiting to it being out of your selfish desire instead at least is better than saying that it doesnt remove possible information to be gained from a lynch.

How certain are you on Drezi scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote

Vote: Drezi

Yes I know im voting one of the people i just say i gut townread... but everything muffin's saying just makes a lot of sense to me orz

Vote: Serenes

(again)

[Sakura Hana]

This game's so awkward i can't make up my mind on anything... sigh.

[Sakura Hana]

Can you guys please stop arguing about whether muffin was a jerk or not and focus on the game instead =/

[Sakura Hana]

If its nacho its still called the nacho hydra though

:I

[Sakura Hana]

Requesting a sub because I can't handle playing with such harsh and cruel players such as Shadoweh. Sorry.

Is this a joke, and i liked you and your avatar

[Sakura Hana]

And here i thought people wouldn't replace out of an Upick.

[Sakura Hana]

4 days and a half to achieve a lynch... didn't realize the deadline was so short. And the replacements aren't helping either

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: katsuki
Vote: Drezi

I didn't remember where my other vote was, so just in case.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh well that's awkward. I might as well claim then.

I'm a night-evolving SK, I gain one additional shot per night (essentially I get as many shots as the night number). So a massclaim come D4/5 might be a good idea so that I can just choose which faction I want to win. I'll probably just pick whichever faction has more players that I'm fond of. <3

I should add that I'm lynchproof and possibly bulletproof~

There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.

[Sakura Hana]

@Katsuki: Why did you fake claim SK?

[Sakura Hana]

After reading the rest of the posts all I have to say is that I'm baffled by Sakura seeming to take the "I'm SK" claim seriously (unless it's a joke?) and that I can kind of see the points that Drezi is making on Muffin? I guess I need to reread the slot or something. I'd still like to know what Drezi thinks of slots that aren't Muffin/Rylai though (even townreads)?

I actually was, then after a few minutes of posting, i thought that claim was way too impossible and could be a joke which is why I asked. Either way

Unvote: katsuki
Vote: ooga

[Sakura Hana]

Also got tired of searching for that AUS mafia you were talking about dunno why you can't just simply link things.

[Sakura Hana]

cos I'm marathoning Ar Tonelico II with Sakura

That was such a nice stream. Tho now i'm too tired to check anything indepth, so i'm just gonna sleep, if i missed any questions please link/quote/restate them by the time i wake up.

[Sakura Hana]

So i woke up, i read that Drezi's an investigative where did this happen?
Oh and

Unvote: Drezi

Vote: Skypal

Not liking ooba's readslist so vote stays there.
Not liking Skypal's readlist for different reasons (way too many scum, leaving options open?)

[Sakura Hana]

I hate that Sakura is flipping her votes around all over the place and doesn't seem to have any solid opinions. Her passive ability seems more harmful to town than scum. I don't think I've read a case from Sakura. She just exists, and she exists to cause harm.

So basically you're scumreading me because:

- My vote switches a lot

This is correct and is part of who i am, whether you like it or not.

- My ability is harmful to town

Is an ability i was given based on my character choice, i can't really do too much about it, besides i disagree that's more harmful to town.

- I haven't made any cases.

I rarely make cases, I prefer poking at people when something pings me.

- I don't have any solid opinions

This is a lie, if you're saying this you aren't even reading my posts.

PEd; @Kagami: Not exactly because too many scum, but I don't like how he's leaving his options open to switch his vote to wherever he likes, I don't see how anyone would be scumreading pie tho. Also i dont like how he's scumreading me because i dont make cases but scumreading pie because he has a lot of text.

[Sakura Hana]

Also got tired of searching for that AUS mafia you were talking about dunno why you can't just simply link things.

https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/inde ... 898.0.html

Btw SB, since you're around i checked this and found out it was a game from 2013, why do you think this is relevant as meta?

[Sakura Hana]

@SkyPal: You're terribly mistaken if you think i want to get out of your scum list, 3/4 points against me are just my playstyle and i'm not going to change it just to please scum, you on the other hand ignored that completely and you continue to keep arguing that it isn't, so if you want to continue down that road you can also continue to have my vote.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh right, one of the points against me was that my ability was more harmful to town, so that leaves 2/4 points being my playstyle 1/4 points because he doesn't like my passive, and 1/4 points that is a lie.

[Sakura Hana]

Why the F is anyone townreading SkyPal after all the crap he's pulling >_>

[Sakura Hana]

Why the F is anyone townreading SkyPal after all the crap he's pulling >_>

SHAME

SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

You don't tell me that, you know i hate it when people attack my playstyle.
And for the sake of not having a repeat of Hope+1 i'm just gonna go and do my nightly stuff and check this thread back in probably 3-5 hours or so.

[Sakura Hana]

I'd like everyone to claim if they got their first pick. I see absolutely no harm in doing so, while there is potentially some value in it.

I didn't get my first pick u.u

[Sakura Hana]

Holy shit we only have 2 days.

UNVOTE: Kilgamayan
VOTE: Sky_Paladin

Vote: ooba

This isn't called compromising :<

[Sakura Hana]

I've written a lot of walls though, so people voting me 'to apply pressure' or because I scum read them (eg Sakura Hana, who voted me because I in effect said her play style was scummy without being aware that was her normal play style) need to find a better target.

It's not just about you complaining about my playstyle, it's also about you not even reconsidering after i told you, nor asking people with meta knowledge of me, nor digging into my meta which is as easy as clicking that "wiki" link in each of my posts, which to me it seems like you're not even interested in getting to know whether im telling the truth or not, and you just want me to do whatever you want me to do instead.

[Sakura Hana]

Also 4 am, i really need to sleep and actually spend time on this game when i wake up.

[Sakura Hana]

That was why I said it was more harmful to town than not. You CAN do something about your ability. You can control your vote.

While true, i dont have a magic crystal ball that tells me who is scum and who isn't so the only way to actually not have a chance to have my vote on town is by not voting at all, which doesn't help town at all.

Can you at least see why I saw your play as scummy? Like, if you saw this:

Player is changing their votes frequently back and forth
Player has a passive ability that you assess is harmful to town
Player hasn't made any cases
Player has gone back on their opinions

and less active as the day goes on

And, not knowing their meta or history, what would you think about it?

Do you think it was insincere of me to put you in my scum read instead of null or town? What advantage would I have for picking fights with half the player list?

(Bold is mine)
At the start yes, however i would think a town player would at least try to inquire on the people to know me whether what i said is true or not, and then go and ask me for the games like you just did, but instead you decided to keep arguing the same points.
In addition, i don't see how those points are scummy, but the bolded one, which i have no issues with, since i know i haven't been doing much by the end of the DP but i've been kinda busy, and the atmosphere in here has kept me apathetic for some reason.

[Sakura Hana]

@SkyPal: I'm getting really tired of arguing you over the same stuff, While I understand that my playstyle is something you naturally see as scummy, What I don't understand is why you still keep pushing that angle after I already explained it to you, it looks to me that you aren't really interested in actually determining my alignment and that's the reason i'm scumreading you, not because you're scumreading me.
In either case, I've already wasted enough time focusing on you and your arguments, if you don't like my playstyle then go ahead and lynch me for it, i don't care, but i'm not gonna waste any more time on you and i'm just gonna go ahead and

read the other people that i've almost ignored most of this day phase trying to determine your intentions with me.

One thing tho, i rather not lynch any of my neighbors today at the very least, at least that'll let me try and discern their alignment during the night (more specfically SB's)

[Sakura Hana]

The vig reaction (it sounded genuine)

How so?

Calling me the Third Party when Kats claimed it. Scum would have been more on the ball with respect to counter wagon candidates.

I would argue that even scum could derp like that, hence if anything that should be something null.

The drezi question (Although on second thought, this could be scum SkyPal reasons for the drezi wagon)

So is it, or it isnt? (Also what drezi question?)

[Sakura Hana]

I'm asking you to explain why you see me as scum outside of the fact that I said you were scum, and you're not doing it.

it looks to me that you aren't really interested in actually determining my alignment

Are we gonna play this loop game again?

[Sakura Hana]

If you want my games, they are ordered chronologically so that shouldn't be an issue, my latest ones aren't on my wiki tho i'm still in the process of putting them there because i forgot but PvZ and Hope+1 are some good examples, as for scum game, my latest ones where i was actually good at being scum was Madoka and Mafia in the land of fantasy<- Playing as Mononoke, then as myself

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You were the one who challenged me to look at your wiki. Well, I did it and saw a whole bunch of games. So now I'm asking you to do the same thing you asked me to do, and pull out a few games to justify why your 'always play like this' is a town one.

I was in the process of doing that :I

[Sakura Hana]

Tho pie said that i'm playing like in the old times, and i don't know how old exactly, could be me being rusty, but in that case i don't know which games would chronologically fall there, you'd have to ask him instead.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh also, madoka is an off site game, it has an ISO, but since the posts are ordered from latest to oldest there, then you have to read it in reverse (if you're gonna read the ISO that is)

[Sakura Hana]

Well i have to leave now, i'll be back in a few hours if im not tired

[Sakura Hana]

Therefore I will elect to pluck the most recent on-site scum game Sakura played,

Oh, chronolgical meant that the newest one is at the bottom, max steel was my first scum game on this site (and first scum game overall actually)
Tho as i said, there are a few that are missing, but scum games should be complete with just those 2, the other i was hydra with pie and i played horribly.
Tbh the only scum games im actually proud about are Madoka and Mafia in the land of fantasy.

[Sakura Hana]

Also you seem to have missed half of my posts on Mafia in the land of fantasy, which were from the Mononoke hydra (all of them but 2 are mine since Nacho never posted nor did anything with me), and i got busy midway through that game.

[Sakura Hana]

I will say that I am disappointed that Sakura elected to provide me four games where I could get the minimal information about her ISO.

Well you said you wanted my most recent ones, those were my most recent ones. Sorry u.u

I'm gonna check your analisys of my meta and see if you're trying to actually read me now, or it is more BS.

[Sakura Hana]

In common:
Frustrated easily.
Changes votes easily.
Doesn't explain votes.

Well guess that answered now your question about whether that thing is part of my playstyle or not.
While your result ended up being wrong for some reason, at least I doubt scum would go that indepth just to get a mislynch off on someone that's been playing poorly from the beginning.

Unvote: SkyPal

(feel free to use your day cards, idc)
However you seemed to have missed my post where i told you that in the mafia in the land of fantasy game, the Mononoke posts are also part of me (I played that full game, was supposed to be in hydra with Nacho, but since he never appeared i ditched him out of the hydra and went solo). Also i got busy starting November or so in that game.

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Btw Kilga i answered your first question (i think?) and i missed the 2nd one, but the reason while it's not important now, is because while i was typing that i wanted to see what was going through SkyPal's head, then i just made an assumption and went for both in the end.

[Sakura Hana]

Is it just me or people randomly dissapear when i have time to post @_@

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait, you're right i never answered, i could have sworn i answered with something about GIF being troll and joking on most games i've played with him, and me not caring at the time whether he was saying the truth or was joking.

[Sakura Hana]

Muffin, why do you still want Drezi dead? didn't he claim some sort of investigative?
Or is it because the claim was too vague?

[Sakura Hana]

Pretty much all games in "ongoing" are finished (Touhou upick 2 is still there for starters).
Also i took a pretty long break, then started playing again back mid 2014 at this point these games werent added to my wiki but... yeah, then had the issue with 3 scum games in a row, then took another break and just now i came back.
In either case i'll see if i can remember all the games that happened in the meantime and... actually update my wiki for once.
But enough about me, seems like you've already set your mind of me, leaving me aside who else pings you.

[Sakura Hana]

Sky: you should read this one if you haven't http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=59178

That was the game where i hydra'd with pie and... did pretty much nothing i was obvscum the whole game.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't get it, you're flip flopping your mind on SkyPal multiple times on the same post, but you vote SB, then you say that you hope he is town and vote Drezi?
So where does that logic come from.

[Sakura Hana]

Also how the hell are you so sure i am town when we've never played before and i've barely done anything?

[Sakura Hana]

Well im off to sleep again, hopefully i'll have time to check into this thread before deadline.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura Hana, what do say about a cop on you?

While i don't care if you cop me or not, fair warning that it'll probably fail depending on certain conditions, also i thought you said it fails on humans and... im human so...

[Sakura Hana]

why.,,

I still have my secondary vote, but i can't vote ooba with it (I can only vote 2 different people)

[Sakura Hana]

That is not a full claim.

You have three spell cards and an ability.

I'm actually thinking this post was an unintentional town slip, given FakeGod posts role PMs in the scum PT and I find it highly unlikely he's scum who hasn't read his team's role PMs (or that scum all have exactly three spell cards and an ability).

The alternative here is he forgot or overlooked this.

Wait what? really?
I thought it was common sense that not all roles have the same ammount of abilities/spellcards >.>

[Sakura Hana]

Wait wait wait.
How did he assume that everyone had the same ammount of abilities when i clearly have 2 abilities at the very least (The double vote, and block day spellcard use, they are both separate abilities)

[Sakura Hana]

I have no way of knowing that your vote block and double vote is not a single ability. For example, I had conditional davyig immune and conditional lynch immune as a single ability.

Well this makes sense... i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

It's not clear that those are separate abilities since they're tied together.

I just didn't think people would get 2 abilities tied into a single one.
While yes they are tied together, they are different abilities so I assumed everyone would have their abilities split up like me.

[Sakura Hana]

mostly cause i was in that game.

That game makes me very sad
I played horribly i don't even want to remember it.

[Sakura Hana]

Sky Palladium

I lol'd.
So who would you like lynched then? And why?

[Sakura Hana]

i usually survive until the late game with it.

Not when im in that game!

[Sakura Hana]

@Rylai

So who would you like lynched then? And why?

[Sakura Hana]

I'd lynch Drezi on compromise. Im currently reserving my 2nd vote if people want me to 2x hammer but atm i want to let SkyPal do whatever he wants during the night. On top of that im having cold feet about him specially after he went and analyzed my meta to try and read me, which is what i've been asking for this whole DP.

[Sakura Hana]

everyone knows that true townies go #YOLOSWAG420

I thought true townies go #yolo360noscope.
/fluff

[Sakura Hana]

huh i thought i unvoted skypaladin

Unvote: SkyPaladin

My bad. VC has been fixed. -mod

[Sakura Hana]

So this is the last call, i'm about to move my vote to Drezi unless people want me to wait for a double hammer, there's 3 hours left and I don't see anyone else atm that i'd be happy lynching.

PEd: @SkyPal: If it's a spellcard, it will be wasted on me. If it's an ability go right ahead.

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So this is the last call, i'm about to move my vote to Drezi unless people want me to wait for a double hammer, there's 3 hours left and I don't see anyone else atm that i'd be happy lynching.

Vote: Drezi

[Sakura Hana]

^L-1

HAMMAH senses tingling.

lol'd

[Sakura Hana]

Also i'm liking how that Neptune avatar turned out.

[Sakura Hana]

To me an ooba lynch would be preferable, but we're running out of time here.

also whenever people start agreeing with me, i tend to thing i'm on the wrong track

Why didn't this happen in Saki mafia

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah getting outed as cop D1, didn't help...

[Sakura Hana]

Although i meant you "thinking of being on the wrong track" tho i can see why you'd think that now.

PEd: huh.

[Sakura Hana]

Am I mistaken or did you just lynch someone you said is flipping town.

[Sakura Hana]

GIF was V/LA pie.
But i don't see why would he go and vote him instead of convincing us we were on the wrong track... or something.

[Sakura Hana]

If I tried to stop it would it have worked with 2 hours left?

Well he said he's flipping scum so not like it matters, but you never know what kind of shenanigans there may be.

[Sakura Hana]

So i feel better about muffin now, I should have trusted my gut back then when i voted Drezi instead of getting derailed in the SkyPal argument, but at least we got that out of the way too.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok since Drezi's flipping scum.....
Goddangit with all the muffin noise i can't tell who'd be the partner atm @_@

PEd: I guess those 2 are next.

[Sakura Hana]

I can assure you that i'm very capable of reading Gaiden and he's town, so i'd say any cop or vig there would be wasted unless you're really paranoid about his alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

Sky, use vig.
If you die (you prob will) while copping info is wasted but vig guarantees a flip.

GIF there's a global public track tonight.

[Sakura Hana]

scum likely have a ninja ability to get around the global track (just saying)

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Didn't think about that

[Sakura Hana]

LAST POST PRE-LYNCH THREAD CLOSE

Oh you dont.

[Sakura Hana]

LAST POST PRE-LYNCH THREAD CLOSE

Oh you dont.

OH YES I DO

Nope

[Sakura Hana]

Now town gets to see me complaining about OP Townsided setup in Dead PT.

[Sakura Hana]

All my spellcards were pretty useless except for one, and even then it was useless anyway.
No we did not roleblock notscience, he died because he tried to vig Mala.

[Sakura Hana]

Both, but roles helped a lot, we'd have needed insane awesome day play to even have had a chance. You'll see more details from me and AD complaints in the Dead PT.

[Sakura Hana]

The only defense we had against spellcards was my own, and that's... even only defense against spellcards targetting me during the night.

[Sakura Hana]

Having a voice of reason who couldn't be silenced definitely helped.

And with a parity cop card, so a cop that can't be silenced...

The Global Track + Parity Cop + about 2/3 vigs? that's.... quite a lot to fight against, we'd need to have super towny play to beat that.

[Sakura Hana]

Like seriously the only defense we had was my passive (blocks day cards), but since that happens during day play and with my votes.... that's.... quite hard to even block something. I guess if i had kept my vote on Rylai we could've saved ourselves from the global track, but i'd have to heavily justify that vote being there, see my point?

My day cards were totally useless, i guess all they do is defend against pie's bomb, a card that unvotes everyone on me, and a card that turns back time....

[Sakura Hana]

Katsuki was a "Normal Role JOAT" he could pick any role and use it 1-shot, from those he could also pick vig or SK for an extra Night kill.

[Sakura Hana]

Also you guys guessed right, Gaiden's blue name was entirely a spellcard he used to make his name blue, that's what he said in the Dead PT anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

No but seriously, the momment i saw my spellcards... they helped me nothing and if anything they'd have made me scummier than anything, the only good spellcard i had was a night use one that made all spellcards targetting me fail and the spellcard users would be let known that they failed.

P-edit: He did call it Yukari's Gap.

[Sakura Hana]

FG Posted in the Scum PT what Katsuki's Neighborhood would look like when he used his Neighborizer shot, and he called it "Yukari's Gap" so yeah...

[Sakura Hana]

Fun fact: I was actually planning on killing someone on N1, since i already knew notty was vigging me, but all my scummates were like "NO! THEN IF YOU DONT GET VIG'D YOU'D BE INSTALYNCHED!" and what not, so i want to sneak in a night kill before deadline but i miscounted the deadline.

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We would have had to explain anything we did N1, Global Public Track screwed us up a lot, also we didnt think about roleblocking notty like... at all. despite having AD's roleblock ability and ooba's roleblock spellcard.

[Sakura Hana]

and those roleblocks were fairly useless against spellcards anyway. The only spellcard defense was me, and that's only about stuff targetting me.

[Sakura Hana]

While i do admit i played a horrible scum game (which i blame on lack of motivation due to rolling scum >AGAIN< more than anything), This setup was pretty hard to work against to begin with.

[Sakura Hana]

I think it was a pro-town setup, but it sounds like you guys had more tools than you're giving FG credit for.

Nothing was going to save you from muffin's investigation, so AD was lost, but you could and should have prevented your own death at the very least.

Would you believe me if i told you at that time i had forgotten we had roleblocks?
That's how much attention i was paying (even to my own scum PT)

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Which is funny because AD had used a roleblock there, at the time i was only thinking that i had a roleblock, but only against spellcards targetting me so i was powerless against notty and all i could think of was to kill someone since i was dying and flipping anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum team made multiple misplays n1, and that's why they lost.

misplays n1 shouldn't be the reason for a whole scumteam to lose the whole game, imo.
I have a tendency to make pretty bad night choices as scum, and i still win games regardless.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura had ascetic spellcards

she did not

I had an spellcard that made me immune to spellcards that directly targeted me and would cause the spellcard users to know the card failed.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura knew that the yukari of last game, who had the same role, could be a godfather.

Huh? there was a yukari last game?

[Sakura Hana]

My role last game i couldn't even vote :<

[Sakura Hana]

Fun fact:
My first choice was Shikieki
My second choice was Sakuya, did it only to be in neighborhood with pie and notty, didnt expect to roll scum tho.
Forgot my other 2.