Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[Aisa]

Hello, travellers. I have wandered these lands for a long time; seen many sinners condemned, many saints saved. Perhaps I can be of assistance.

- Your faithful aspiring advisor, Aisa.

*if this is annoying to anyone I can drop it

[Aisa]

VOTE: Aisa

@Asia, Bella, KK - where those votes at?

VOTE: AurorusVox

[Aisa]

Oclaxian Empire town? Bella town? Arko town?

Arko, I disagree with parts of your analysis, by the way! But it doesn't really matter.

[Aisa]

Oh, also - preemptive notice I will be V/LA from the 17th to the 20th. I will just about be able to prodge and move my vote around but don't expect any actual thinking on those days.

[Aisa]

VOTE: Arko

VOTE: Aisa

@Asia, Bella, KK - where those votes at?

VOTE: AurorusVox

why these votes specifically?

I'm gonna ask this question too. I wasn't looking here till now. Aisa, Are you like- Going for an OMGUS vote on Aur? and BB, I mean I understand if you aren't agreeing with the townreads, it could easily come from a sinner (There are 3 of them!) but what's your specific thoughts on me?

Yeah basically, it was a joking RVS vote. I have no reason to suspect Aurorus as of page 2 and have not read past page 2 yet (working on it tho~)

[Aisa]

Spoiler:

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

^ is town.

I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.

I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.

The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.

[Aisa]

Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.

[Aisa]

grim: fwiw, i expect the rvs vote to change, and i dont realistically think ull die from my vote, but it did elicit a reaction from u and that’s the thing i wanted from u.

Strong read that OE and Arko are not scum together, I don't think you say "I don't think you'll die from my vote" if your plan is to bus.

Tell me more?

Spoiler:

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

^ is town.

I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.

I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.

The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.

You think page 3 sounded like playful ribbing?

I didn't get that impression at all.

Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.

Yeah whoops. Initially I had looked at a few posts and my brain decided that the rest of the interaction must have been more of the same.

[Aisa]

UNVOTE:
Will figure out a serious vote at some point, still digesting everything now

[Aisa]

Spoiler: Context

grim: fwiw, i expect the rvs vote to change, and i dont realistically think ull die from my vote, but it did elicit a reaction from u and that’s the thing i wanted from u.

Strong read that OE and Arko are not scum together, I don't think you say "I don't think you'll die from my vote" if your plan is to bus.

Tell me more?

Spoiler:

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

^ is town.

I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.

I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.

The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.

You think page 3 sounded like playful ribbing?

I didn't get that impression at all.

Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.

Yeah whoops. Initially I had looked at a few posts and my brain decided that the rest of the interaction must have been more of the same.

Do you still want me to tell you more?

I think my first post summed up my point and I think their interactions since then where Ox seemed very annoyed just strengthen my read, and I think it's fairly clear.

Having thought about it, you're right about the interactions since meaning they are unlikely to be partnered. And establishing that feels like the most important point in this conversation.

I had questions such as:
- Why isn't "I don't think you'll die from my vote" something you say when you bus?
- Why is it such a strong read? -> I think I understand this one now
- In a world where Arko and Oclaxian Empire were both scum, would they be more likely to hard bus or to distance just a little bit? Is "I don't think you'll die from my vote" unlikely in both scenarios? -> Also feels like a pointless question at the moment

[Aisa]

Actually, could you humour me and still try to answer some of those questions?

[Aisa]

In some ways I find Vanders sooo towny. The above post, for example ^
BUT
I'm still worried he's scum. Send help!

[Aisa]

In some ways I find Vanders sooo towny. The above post, for example ^
BUT
I'm still worried he's scum. Send help!

iiiihh

[Aisa]

Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*

I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)

[Aisa]

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

Not sure I buy this panic tbh

If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?

Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?

Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummier

or they are on track to death

, yes, I may revote them.

What do you mean by the bolded?

[Aisa]

If Arko is scum then I think Ranger looks pretty bad, hopefully it’s pretty clear why.
My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.

[Aisa]

What's the implication you're referring to?
(I can think of at least two things you could mean )

[Aisa]

I do kinda like Oclaxian Empire's latest 3 posts, yeah. We're less than 72 hours in and I've already been tempted to townread everyone except KawaiiKame. No offense to you Kawaii, it's just that 1 post in RVS is not a lot to go off of

[Aisa]

More like I thought the other two made sense and the third seemed neutral lol

[Aisa]

*I don’t necessarily endorse your opinion, I just think that seems like a reasonable answer to my q

[Aisa]

Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*

I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)

Why is giving me a townread terrifying?

Because… what I am wrong and you’re secretly super sneaky, and me giving you the townread starts a chain of actions like the beat of a butterfly’s wings, making everyone else townread you too, and then we get attached to you and trust you and look up to you, and give you allll the soft power, which you use to do sneaky things like pushing saints into hell one at a time, except you do it slowly slowly and make us think it was our own idea, and before we know it we all dieeeee?

More serious posting later :’)

[Aisa]

Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*

I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)

Why is giving me a townread terrifying?

Because… what I am wrong and you’re secretly super sneaky, and me giving you the townread starts a chain of actions like the beat of a butterfly’s wings, making everyone else townread you too, and then we get attached to you and trust you and look up to you, and give you allll the soft power, which you use to do sneaky things like pushing saints into hell one at a time, except you do it slowly slowly and make us think it was our own idea, and before we know it we all dieeeee?

More serious posting later :’)

I’m not sure how I feel about this…

I'm not sure how I feel about you not being sure how you feel about my wonderful sense of humour...

Asia do you normally prefer to townhunt or scumhunt??

I don't deliberately do one over the other, I'd guess that I've typically had better results by some version of townhunting where I find a good number of townies and the rest of the scum get PoEd out. But the sample size is small

If you're town you're probably getting a bit sketched out by the fact I'm being hedgy and talking about my reads in uncertain terms - I think people who have played with me would agree that that's not unusual for me.

[Aisa]

Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too

[Aisa]

Hello again, I'm here and ready to produce content~
I see your request, Ranger

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

Not sure I buy this panic tbh

If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?

Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?

Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummier

or they are on track to death

, yes, I may revote them.

What do you mean by the bolded?

Arko, there still is a lonely question seeking answer over here

[Aisa]

My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.

Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.

Fair enough, yes. I'll reread Arko later and I don't know what read I'll end up with, but if it feels important to communicate I will communicate it.

"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"

This is a very interesting way of wording it.
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.

Disagree that "has determined", "won't reevaluate" are stating that you're town, I think that I could easily use similar wording wrt someone I suspect.
I'm torn about your "least-flattering reading" point.

I know this isn't about Arko per se, we'll get to your case on Arko after this post.

I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.

"Disingenuous" is a charged word, but change it to "imprecise" and I agree.

[Aisa]

[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,

Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.

I loved this thought process.

I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.

There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.

Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!

[Aisa]

What is your read on Arko, Vanders? Am I going to find it somewhere among the posts I haven't read yet?

[Aisa]

My main point is that I don't believe that you're reading all of the posts you quoted as towny, regardless of the strength of the read, but anyway, i think the lemon's post that it's weird for Arko to put someone at E-2, and then a day later say that we shouldn't be putting people at E-2, is a compelling case and possibly more alignment indicative than any of the posts you've quoted about Arko.

Oh

[Aisa]

Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too

Aisa:

You've started your more serious reading.

Would you care to comment on my case?

Ranger, was it your Arko towncase or your OE scumcase that you wanted me to comment on?

[Aisa]

Thanks, I will get to that at some point.

On that note, it's frustrating how few players are engaging me. I genuinely feel Oclaxian Empire has a very high chance of being scum here and my reasons for the belief are strong.

I was gonna ask if your frustration was not maybe a bit too premature, but actually if we take, say, post 184 as the beginning of the case then it's actually been almost 24 hours, which seems reasonable.

[Aisa]

@Vanders, I see you've answered my question, that's nice and answering this post feels like a very fair trade now!

[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,

Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.

I loved this thought process.

I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.

There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.

Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!

Are they good points?
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?

This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.

I did click on the links! Most, not all, admittedly. It's in fact impossible to form an opinion on the case without clicking the links; you tell me if you can judge the words "54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset" without knowing what post 54 is.

I thought most of them were

great

points. I agreed about most of the things Ranger pointed out being town-indicative, and that's pretty rare. (The embarrassment I will go through if Arko turns out to be scum though! ) The bits I disagree with are 118 and 154, I can't decide whether they're town indicative or scum indicative yet, and though I haven't read the discussion about post 154 in detail yet, if Arko has contradicted himself a bit that's always a little worrying. Then again I don't think inconsistency is always scummy. We'll see.

[Aisa]

pagetop mine??

[Aisa]

Pagetop not mine but at least I know that the mod is reading my posts

I think if Ranger is scum their read on Arko is more likely to be scum defending a town than a partner.

I agree.

I also agree with this! and have reconsidered my earlier idea that Ranger could be scum with Arko.

Not really game relevant, but Vanders, if you're town I think watching out for TMI is a great thing to do, one of my favourite tells for sure. I have a separate, silly reason to TR Ranger though! And a non-silly reason, which is that I agree with their recent posting.

Spite-readslist would be,
{Arko, AurorusVox}
{Aisa}
{Bellaphant}
{KawaiiKame}
{Vanderscamp}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}

...But I can't bring myself to actually commit to the spite. It's just not my thing.

So actual readslist would probably be closer to,

{AurorusVox}
{Aisa, Bellaphant}
{Arko}
{KawaiiKame, Vanderscamp}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}

...The silly reason is that me and Bella got put into the same tier in the second readslist and I think that if I were scum I would just copy-paste my first readslist and only change what is necessary

[Aisa]

I keep considering rescinding my townread on you for getting into silly arguments with Ranger, but every time I see a towny post you made which makes me want to not rescind the townread, it's quite something!

[Aisa]

It's not because you're calling me real, noo, I'm totally not vulnerable to pockets

[Aisa]

I need rest too, last points before I go:
- Ranger is town, Ranger wagon not good, if I wake up tomorrow and see that you people have decided to hammer Ranger before I can post again I am certainly not going to be advocating for sending any of you to heaven in the next phase xx
- Not going to fan the flames on Oclaxian Empire's wagon when I haven't digested the whole case, but at a first glance I like that vote a lot more than Ranger or Arko.
- Welcome to the game Kowahbunga!
- Happy scumday, AurorusVox!
- Am I just going to sheep Ranger into oblivion this game? Keep reading to find out!

[Aisa]

[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,

Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.

I loved this thought process.

I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.

There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.

Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!

Are they good points?
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?

This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.

I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)

I don't understand what this post means. What does it mean?

[Aisa]

Aisa, have I scum read you for self conscious posting before?

I don't think so. I remember you were at times suspicious of me in Mini Normal 2283, but I don't think self-consciousness was a reason you gave.

I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?

Saying "vibed obvtown" then reevaluating seems more towny than not

Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.

Also, I think Vanders is saying that you seem towny?
(idk if the setup is town-sided)

[Aisa]

^Agreed

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

Not sure I buy this panic tbh

If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?

Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?

Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummier

or they are on track to death

, yes, I may revote them.

What do you mean by the bolded?

Arko, there still is a lonely question seeking answer over here

Day 3 of seeking an answer to this
I'm probably being a little petty because I can barely remember why I cared so much about this in the first place, lol

[Aisa]

Ok, I'm caught up now, or at least I hope I have read all the posts with enough attention.

I can finally address Ranger's case on OE. Let's say the following post is The Case:

Spoiler:

{Arko}
{Aisa, Vanderscamp}
{Bellaphant}
{AurorusVox}
{KawaiiKame}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}

I still vibe with this, but 184 + 185(backed by 176) are huge.

I believe Oclaxian Empire demonstrated a lack of internal consistency in their thoughts. This is

maybe

explainable depending on the individuals who did the posts and their internal communication system. If they weren't talking to each other and if it was two different people in the system posting, it could come from town. So I'm not saying that alone makes a smoking gun.

The scumslip does though. It was possible Oclaxian Empire was simply stating "Yes, I think you're town, who determined my alignment and won't reevaluate".

Was

, but with Oclaxian Empire having denied this as what they meant, and insisting it meant the opposite, meant any benefit of the doubt was removed.

Oclaxian Empire didn't say I

knew

their alignment, accusing me of being scum.
Oclaxian Empire said I

determined

their alignment, which is a slip of the tongue revealing they know I am town.

I disagree with it. In short simply because I think that saying Ranger "determined" OE's alignment, in the context it was first brought up in, was not a slip of the tongue.

This said, I don't think OE's reaction is very reassuring, though I haven't nailed down a read on that slot yet.

[Aisa]

My read through was not as productive as I thought it would be

Why?

I only found one post out of the 12 pages that I felt strongly about. I was hoping for more.

This feels like a pretty scummy sequence. (Sorry, Kowahbunga! Keen to talk if I'm wrong.)
Request: please find any post any other player feels strongly about, and explain why you don't feel strongly about it. (E.g. mastina cares about a lot of posts by Arko or OE. Vanders cares about mastina's towncase on Arko.)

Hello... I guess. I'm tired.
I'm not really finding much motivation and fun in this setup. 5v3 is feeling kinda bad to play in, personally. Pure Dayplay 5v3 to be specific.
But I'll continue to soldier on for like another day or two.

I have no reads really, this game hasn't been fun to me, and is on the backburner and will most likely be sent further into the backburner.

Oh well, I'll read it when I come home. Maybe I can actually get something done?

I have no idea if this will end up being helpful, but one idea may be to try to concentrate on one small aspect at a time? Just focus on one small interaction and try to nail down how you feel about that interaction. Also don't be afraid to just throw out some questions or talk about what you feel uncertain about. I liked your post 237!

[Aisa]

Aisa have you commented on my case vs arko regarding the e-2 fiasco?

Mm not quite, I'll do it now:

Spoiler:

@ranger/arko that’s not the part I was bothered about. It was the difference between the thoughts on ox being at e-2 in these posts (you didn’t put ox at e-2 but you thought you had):

Ok yeah... 3 Sinners v 5 Saints from my point of view. So I'm literally not able to believe 3 of you. That's not the best. But what pers- I mean system I'm feeling is sinning a little too much? Maybe somethint to do with cults was how they sinned? Dunno, Don't care. VOTE: Empire I personally don't like the posts, and with the 3:5 ratio not including me... I'm honestly sure on killing this unless someone fucks up more, or they get out of it well.

I think that might be E-2 By the way, let them breath for some time before voting them.

…

Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.

To be fair that is a bit worrying, yeah
I can think of reasons it might come from a townie and I'm tempted to kinda shrug it off / Ranger's reasons to townread Arko are strong enough for me that this isn't enough to make me scumread the slot.

I don’t like the fact arko has not engaged with this point against him; and instead has retreated into disengagement. It seems this is his MO if Asia having to ask again and again is anything to go by.

This is definitely a bit +scum, and I do think Arko should address this point when he is next around (

@Arko

).

Ranger I can’t tell if their “reevaluation” of arko is legit or fabricated to deflect heat from their own position.

Had a similar thought to yours.
Though I've literally just had a similar reaction to your case as Ranger did so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe she is just still town!

[Aisa]

Anyway, I have put less effort into the game today than yesterday, gonna sheep my read from yesterday that Ranger is likely town. So the priority is to get this wagon off Ranger.

VOTE: BloodB0t who wants to wagon this with me? xx
I can case tomorrow.
Why not Oclaxian Empire, you might wonder? I like some of the points Vander has brought up for why they might be town, gut says BloodB0t is a bit scummier.

Kowahbunga also has ~24 hours to town it up or convince me that post of theirs I quoted is not scummy before I start thinking that wagoning them is fair play.

[Aisa]

You know I definitely got my eye on you as well Aisa

Things definitely just got a bit spicier hehe

I think blood is quite towny, I agree with all of what they're saying.

Agreed, although still not loving you and Aisa for town, so there is that.....speaking of

I need rest too, last points before I go:
- Ranger is town, Ranger wagon not good, if I wake up tomorrow and see that you people have decided to hammer Ranger before I can post again I am certainly not going to be advocating for sending any of you to heaven in the next phase xx
- Not going to fan the flames on Oclaxian Empire's wagon when I haven't digested the whole case, but at a first glance I like that vote a lot more than Ranger or Arko.
- Welcome to the game Kowahbunga!
- Happy scumday, AurorusVox!
- Am I just going to sheep Ranger into oblivion this game? Keep reading to find out!

Maybe it is just bias, but feeling the same scummy vibes from you Aisa. And the part about hoping Ranger isn't hammered before you can post screams of Titus from ChatGPT.

I might be unfair, but you are lucky I am not vig this game

More or less done with my catchup.....kinda skimmed a bit but wanted to at least get the general gist of the happenings here.

Eeeee maybe try not pre-flipping Ranger?
Lucky for

you

I actually need to sort you this game

[Aisa]

I didn't know I missed having Drew in my game until he replaced into the game.

Tl;dr:

it feels like Kowahbunga is drip-feeding us their opinions and I think that's a bit +scum.
Sometimes (not always) I change my mind on a scumread when I talk to them, so you can consider talking to me, K.

Wall in the spoiler, I recommend at least clicking on the button but I don't mind people skimming it
V V V V

Spoiler:

Request: please find any post any other player feels strongly about, and explain why you don't feel strongly about it. (E.g. mastina cares about a lot of posts by Arko or OE. Vanders cares about mastina's towncase on Arko.)

I'm going to politely decline doing this. I want to be in the game as it currently is, and will be responding to posts that are happening now.

I woah-ed out loud when I first read this, mad respect if you're scum . Also if you're town, actually. You're free to decline, though let me explain why I thought your posts were scummy:

My read through was not as productive as I thought it would be

Why?

I only found one post out of the 12 pages that I felt strongly about. I was hoping for more.

What are your thoughts on Ranger?

I disagree with their read on Oclaxian.

Their read list they post on each post has me curious. What's your take on that?

This is unusual an perspective imo. I think it's normal to have some posts you don't feel much towards, or to struggle a little to get integrated into a game if you're replacing in. But for me, posts in a game usually fall on a spectrum in terms of how much I care about them. I never have exactly one post I feel strongly about.

From your post on Ranger, it's clear you've read the game at least a little bit. You may not have strong opinions, but this post implies you at least have little thoughts. We're having to prompt these out of you little by little, and I think that's +scum. I'm considering that from your post count and join date you're probably newer to the site (welcome). I think newer people are sometimes a little less swept up in all the site jargon and site meta, and that's to the benefit of my read on you, but I would guess that being a little reserved is +scum even for a newer player.

To your credit, you do imply in that post that you have a read on Oclaxian, and when asked about the one post that you felt strongly about, you quoted an Oclaxian post. I don't weigh this one-off consistency very highly though, I don't think.

I think the setup is townsided because it has a history of 5 town wins and 1 mafia win.

For instance, I look at this POV about it and the opinion that it's town sided and think this is much more likely a town POV that Bellaphant's POV about it. Because the more I think about it, Bella's issue with the game makes no sense from town pov. It seems like they're worried about the setup, but yet call it townsided. Wouldn't having the opinion of it being townsided also be a cause for confidence... If you are town?

At this point I really feel like Bella manufactured their townsided opinion. That and not being familiar with the setup, while also being able to act worried about the set up they apparently don't know enough about to know the player split of.

VOTE: Bella

To add to Bella's response - when you actually go and trace back Bella's thoughts, there's no inconsistency:

Spoiler:

I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal?

"In my head about the setup" = Bella is undecided about the setup's balance
"It seems townsided but with less info" = mixed thoughts, consistent with being undecided

Spoiler:

Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.

Why do you think it feels town sided?

No night kills for a start, plus 2/7 feels good odds, better than the newbie queue, which is the only other place I play small games. Plus, I really like the idea of scum and town hunting being separate skills and being played out as separate

3/7, but we can get it wrong twice.

This bit 'When the number of Sinners and Saints among the Unjudged (alive) players is equal, a Judgement Day occurs, in which all Martyrs decide on a player to send to hell. If that player is a Saint, the Sinners win. If that player is a Sinner, the game moves to a hell phase.' feels scum sided but we'd have to fuck up a fair bit to get there.

After you ask her why it feels town sided, she even goes out of her way to explain the other side of the coin - what makes it possibly scum sided.
Ironically I disagree that that bit is scum sided. The Judgment Day is a townsiding mechanic, because if it weren't there then scum would have an ~automatic win when they reach parity.

You seem to be attributing this emotion of "worry" to Bella but that's not the impression I get when I read her posts - she sounds more like she is trying to get her head around the setup.

[Aisa]

In my head I wanna TR {Vanders, Ranger, Drew, Bella} + {myself}. Is that too much? That leaves {Oclaxian Empire, BloodB0t, Kowahbunga, AurorusVox} in the PoE. Yeah that's too far for this stage of the game, I'm gonna be looking for a townread to demote.

Sorry lemon, I know I said I TRed you earlier, there's some mixed stuff in your posting and I don't feel ready to TR you at the moment.

[Aisa]

Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too

I mean it’s disarming for sure lol you make me want to read you as town

If we were playing make-Aisa-blush you'd be firmly in first place though ^^

But it was more the deflecting of the question that tingled my citric juices. I suppose it depends if you answer it when you get to Serious Posting^TM

While I've got eyeballs on this post, by the way, I never intended to deflect. I didn't just make up that reaction for laughs, it was played up a bit but meant to showcase the genuine underlying feeling I felt which made me say that I was a bit scared to townread Vanders.
Put another way, I could have had that reaction to townreading any player - I never meant to imply there was a specific feature of Vanders's play that made him especially scary to read.

[Aisa]

Yes yes Bloodb0t, let me get to you now

[Aisa]

Right yes the short version is just that I TR ranger and I want the wagon off her. I did go a bit eeny-meeny-miny-moe, could have voted someone else on a different day, depending on who made a scummy looking posting more recently.

282 Makes sense but I think you're exagerating that it's

insanely

townie, you even admit that it can be faked "if they think to".

I thought this post was very scummy, it felt like you really wanted to get the last word in in that discussion and nitpicking a small detail in what I remember was a longer post. There was no follow up to it. You didn't keep pushing Ranger or mention that you changed your mind or anything. So idk it kinda felt like you were possibly half-giving up on having a scumread on Ranger.

I'll say you do sound similar to ChatGPT as I remember, I haven't gone back to look. I pushed you there because I thought there were aspects of your play that genuinely would look scummy if I pointed them out, so it could be there's just a bit of the same going on this game and you're actually town.

[Aisa]

<48 hours to go, what to do?
I probably gotta case someone a bit more strongly but I don't wannaaa

[Aisa]

Rereading Ranger's posts I feel like the best reasons to SR Ranger are
1. The push on OE, which is largely splitting hairs about some wording OE used
2. Maybe Ranger is TMIing the read on Arko/Drew
3. Maybe the timing of Ranger's reconsideration does look a bit appeasy

Yet if you look past them there's a lot of stuff that looks towny. One example is this post:

My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.

Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.

"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"

This is a very interesting way of wording it.
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.

I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.

You can agree or disagree about the read on Arko and OE, but there is plenty to townread in the approach of this post.
1. "You can convince me". This is not a scum!Aisa thought. Ranger is not me, but there probably still is some correlation.
2. Look at the separation into three separate points - read on Arko, read on OE, and interaction. This seems quite principled

and more likely to come from town

<- changed my mind, maybe not

Maybe there's an actually interesting question: are the reasons to scumread Ranger stronger or weaker than the reasons to townread Ranger? I probably haven't quite figured out this one yet, my heart is still saying Ranger town but I'd be lying if I said I was 100% sure.

[Aisa]

In my head I wanna TR {Vanders, Ranger, Drew, Bella} + {myself}. Is that too much? That leaves {Oclaxian Empire, BloodB0t, Kowahbunga, AurorusVox} in the PoE. Yeah that's too far for this stage of the game, I'm gonna be looking for a townread to demote.

Sorry lemon, I know I said I TRed you earlier, there's some mixed stuff in your posting and I don't feel ready to TR you at the moment.

what mix do you mean?

I can flip, nearly at will, between viewing your posts as vibey town and random comments scum can easily fake. I don't know which of these worlds we live in.

Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too

I mean it’s disarming for sure lol you make me want to read you as town

But it was more the deflecting of the question that tingled my citric juices. I suppose it depends if you answer it when you get to Serious Posting^TM

[...]

@ranger yeah the “decide”/“know” thing could be a slip but could it not also be in the context of “you’ve decided … to present ox as a scumread / arko as a townread … as scum”?

One thing that tingled my spidey senses a bit was this post, I think I took it especially hard that you said I was deflecting, lol.
I think this was also when I was in my hardcore "HoW dArE yOu QuEsTiOn RaNgEr" phase so anyone who disagreed with her automatically got -townpoints.

FWIW gun to my head I'm thinking you're town.

I'm pretty convinced that at least one of my townreads is wrong, I just don't know which yet.

[Aisa]

I think we'd all happily compromise on Kowahbunga if anyone so much as proposed the vote, and I think it would be a shame to elim someone who has just substituted in, but going easy on replace ins does not a game of mafia make, so
VOTE: Kowahbunga

[Aisa]

Why did you vote for Ranger earlier, Kowah?

[Aisa]

Flip is disappointing
Bella is my #1 townread atm I think
VOTE: Bella

V/LA until the 20th

, but I should be able to say a bit more tomorrow

[Aisa]

Anything is gonna struggle getting to 5 pure town votes because there are 5 townies left. I’m not using this to argue in favour of anyone specifically, just observing.

Also if someone is not self voting they can self hammer when they reach 4 votes, so watch out for that.

[Aisa]

Though I get what Vanders is saying: “this slot had 3 people townreading them including themselves, if it suddenly shoots up to 5 that’s maybe not such a good sign”
That’s maybe a townie perspective more than not.

[Aisa]

I can see why Vanders might be an appealing vote today, I could possibly be convinced to vote that, though I want to examine it a bit more

[Aisa]

Also note that if we successfully put a townie into heaven today we’ll be in 4v3 tomorrow, which needless to say is a very difficult ratio to eliminate scum in, so the heaven townie is very likely to have to intervene.

I’m not saying to put a scum into heaven because that has its own problems lol, and I don’t know what the implications are, it’s just a thought.

[Aisa]

Some questions I'm asking myself at the moment:
1. Is Ranger scum?
2. How many scum does {Ranger, Vanderscamp} contain?
3. How are the 3 scum split across fault lines? Are they all pushing for the same thing or for different things?
4. How much have scum planned ahead? In particular, are there members of the scum team who have been positioning to look towny since yesterday? Are we even able to tell from the current gamestate?
5. What is the maths of putting a saint vs a sinner in heaven today?
6. Drew pushed me earlier partly based on saying that I'm similar to my previous scum game. I know there are differences. What does this mean?
7. Do I stick with something similar to my current reads, or do I need to throw them out and restart from scratch?

[Aisa]

I feel like I don't like self votes here, but I also have never played this setup lol.

I know I am not voting Ranger, or probably Oclax, and to a less of an extent Vander.

Aisa maybe

But for now: VOTE: Vox

RE: drew's posting since flip. He's had made one post since the flip and it's this one.

I want to know why he said he was feeling a bit better about me yesterday (

@Drew

).

Self voting: seems roughly correct for both factions to want to vote themselves today, so I don't know if self-voting is AI. What does this imply about Drew? I know he's pretty good at faking being confused about the setup as scum. But maybe this is too fuzzy a concept to really be useful here (ever get people who think they understand your meta but they don't?).

He doesn't wanna vote Ranger, Oclax, probably not Vanders, maybe or maybe not me: these are the 4 scumreads he identified while he was catching up, right? I don't have a super strong take on this, but I'm interested to hear what he thinks of Vanders (

@Drew

). I note this is a mix of scumreads that reaches across some of the camps that seemed to be forming yesterday, no idea what this means though.

(Another interesting question: why was

literally everyone alive except me

* wary of Ranger yesterday? This means there were some townies who were wary of Ranger yesterday, which was one of the reasons I started to moderate myself a bit on the read. But it's interesting to me that the opposite mood seemed to be missing somehow, i.e. that

no-one

except me seemed to get why Ranger seemed towny in ways. Yet there was a long stretch of time where it felt like no one was especially pushing her, either.)

*I know Arko thought she was towny.

[Aisa]

Is there merit in sorting the 'controversial'reads now? Like I could vote ox

Why could you vote Ox, and what do you think the merit could be to sorting controversial slots now?

[Aisa]

Ok, list of reasons to TR Bella, I think this might be my last post before I become less available.

Reason 1: general vibes / tone, this will be more convincing to me than to others but that’s ok

UNVOTE: On re-evaluation, I don't think OE is scum. Seems quite townie.

@Bellephant: Can you elaborate on your thought process behind voting Arko?

Something just feels really inorganic? The auto townreads felt strange for doing what seemed very surface level set up stuff, rather than 'yay, town -sided!' or whatever, and then the convo with Ox again didn't vibe right: I ended up tr-ing the ox slot ans not feeling anything more about arko, which tends to be one of my red flags for scum: they end up feeling 'grey'. I need to think about rangers interactions with arko too.

I don’t feel either way about the reasons she gives here but I like that this seems to show depth in her thought process.

I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?

I think she’s waffling on me for reasons that it’s natural to waffle on. Again, I think I just liked the fact she bothered to express this read.

I think the setup is townsided because it has a history of 5 town wins and 1 mafia win. I wouldn't be able to tell by looking at the mechanics of it. That being said, I'm not sure what we gain by knowing it's townsided. Does that mean we shouldn't try as hard?

Bloodbot, struggling to read you too: can you throw a question or thought at me?

I don't have much to say, other than to ask for your thoughts behind:

NGL I'd kinda been looking for two scum.

I'm looking forward to Kowahbunga's thoughts on the game.

Yeah, I think it was because of the talk of pairs and theatre? Ox/arko, arko/ranger, etc. I am not good at mech at the best of tinws

I think this may be the towniest post in her ISO. If I were scum trying to fake a townslip, “I’d been looking for two scum because of all the talk of pairs” wouldn’t be anywhere near the top of my list of excuses. So I think this post shows a very towny perspective.

Hey, do you want to throw a few questions my way? You've kinda been filed in my head as 'kinda shares my reads' and I haven't massively examined that.

I like “you’ve been filed in my head as…”, again this raises the probability (to me) that Bella has all these reads and thoughts living in her head and that she’s not just making them up when she has to.

I want feedback on this post, please!

[Aisa]

Drewww
1. Why do you feel a bit better about me?
2. What do you think of Vanders?

[Aisa]

I feel like a day where you need to vote town is being shown through people voting themselves and then checking out…

I don’t think the problem is the heaven phase.

Also I can’t remember if I said this yesterday but please don’t sheep me, I feel like I’m struggling to make heads or tails of things, I think there’s a lot more uncertainty this game than we are acknowledging and independent thought is important rn

[Aisa]

Drewww
1. Why do you feel a bit better about me?
2. What do you think of Vanders?

Figured I was being a bit biased based off the last couple games where you were scum, and realistically your post seems a bit different, almost a bit harsher in a good way.

And you used some phrasing that I like to use, that isn't much but that helped my gut read.

I didn't like Vanders when I subbed in, but this is kinda the point for me when my reads start to evolve so I should give them another look.

How do I seem different? I promise I’m going somewhere with this, you can ask where if you answer

[Aisa]

Ok, that’s nice that you’re not sheeping 100%
Seems like a good time to mention that I’m prettyyyy worried about Vanders rn

[Aisa]

Yeahhh idk hard read
The stance on Ranger still worries me, like he seems quite convinced she’s scum but if so why isn’t he trying to convince others of it?
Then again there’s townreadable stuff
Can someone towncase?

I think I’m also just a bit worried there’s like no opposition to his wagon right now
Well that’s not true Ranger just tried to oppose

I can’t tell if I’m damaging everything by being loud and planting bad ideas into people’s heads

[Aisa]

Oh, it's coming back to me now!
Another thing I wasn’t sure about yesterday (real-life yesterday) was that if he srs Ranger and thinks Ranger is spewing Arko / Drew town then he should maybe tr Arko / Drew as strongly as he srs Ranger.
But I’m not sure he does.

[Aisa]

Drewww
1. Why do you feel a bit better about me?
2. What do you think of Vanders?

Figured I was being a bit biased based off the last couple games where you were scum, and realistically your post seems a bit different, almost a bit harsher in a good way.

And you used some phrasing that I like to use, that isn't much but that helped my gut read.

I didn't like Vanders when I subbed in, but this is kinda the point for me when my reads start to evolve so I should give them another look.

How do I seem different? I promise I’m going somewhere with this, you can ask where if you answer

Well I touched on it, you seem less worried about pleasing here, as demonstrated but not liking Vander when others seem to to like them for town. ABloaf Aisa wouldn't do that imo(also make me feel good you aren't scum buddies in the worst case scenario, I know how you like to protect your buddy).

So when I look at you objectively, and not through the tainted glasses of how you were scum the last two times(and once led to my mislynch grrr), I feel pretty good for you as town.

And do what you need to do to sort me if you have to.

But, now I need to go back and do a once over on Vander, brb

Ok, that’s an acceptable description of the difference of between this game and AbLOAF to me.

[Aisa]

Ooh, is this the white knight I have so ardently been wishing for?

[Aisa]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

[Aisa]

Agree Aureal is fairly good vibes

[Aisa]

Aisa's questions list is interesting. I hope she's going to have some answers too.

Pfft answers are overrated~

I have no idea what Ranger or Vanders are anymore, I’ve spent too much time worrying about them.
Gonna do a reread when I come off V/LA tomorrow.
The lemon and Aureal kinda feel like my current greatest townreads, but surely it’s not sane I keep changing my mind every two days, which is why I want to do the reread, I feel like a leaf blowing in the wind at the moment.

Also I feel like we’ve collectively done a bit less talking than I would have hoped to, maybe this is misguided, just how I feel at the moment.

[Aisa]

Wellll researching Oclaxian Empire’s meta I go*

*tomorrow

Why exactly now?

I mean that Enchant has replaced in and I am not confident I can read him.

[Aisa]

Uh who is Ranger’s partner

[Aisa]

I don’t know who the partner is, but whoever it was, well done scumteam. It certainly felt like you made me work for it very hard.
Otherwise am about to go to sleep but I’ll read your comments tomorrow <3

[Aisa]

Uh who is Ranger’s partner

The remaining 3 souls were never judged, maybe we'll never know!

>.>

[Aisa]

Also I feel like Vanders deserves a special shout out, fmpov all 38 pages of you screaming that Ranger was scum were sorely necessary and I’m not sure how this game would have gone if not for you

[Aisa]

Endgame post has been edited for clarity.

You’re definitely the better mod

Bella oh my god!! My reads were so so cooked when I got voted into heaven
All three of you have nice scumgames well done

[Aisa]

Thoughts on the setup?

I would have liked another Heaven phase personally.

I liked the fact scum had two separate wincons. Made the gamestate feel dynamic and I struggled to decide which wincon scum were even aiming for.
Does maybe feel a bit townsided. Would probably play again then regret my life choices if I rolled scum

Thanks for modding furt and Alianna.

And another thank you to Aisa for allowing me to update my sig.

Genuinely made me smile when you said that

You're fun to play with, I like playing with slightly more aggressive players
Mafia would be so boring if I had to play with 5 copies of myself every game lmao

[Aisa]

Also I feel like Vanders deserves a special shout out, fmpov all 38 pages of you screaming that Ranger was scum were sorely necessary and I’m not sure how this game would have gone if not for you

You've no idea.

I was 30 seconds too late to post a post. I was typing it, had it finished, thread was unlocked when I hit submit, but got locked as I hit submit so it didn't go through.

That sounds so frustrating and I too hate it when the townies start talking!! Don't envy you at all :c
Also omg gonna take a few pages out of your scumgame the next time I roll red

Also I feel like Vanders deserves a special shout out, fmpov all 38 pages of you screaming that Ranger was scum were sorely necessary and I’m not sure how this game would have gone if not for you

I'm going to take that as meaning it's better that we flipped him rather than me so you got the benefit of knowing his better reads were for real and not my gullible ones.

Also I feel like Vanders deserves a special shout out, fmpov all 38 pages of you screaming that Ranger was scum were sorely necessary and I’m not sure how this game would have gone if not for you

I did get sidetracked with Aureal, that probably made it a lot harder to get her on side about Ranger.

Given the team was Ranger/Bella I'm really glad Enchant hammered me over Aureal, I think the game becomes a lot easier to win.

It's really not clear what would have happened if Aureal had gotten limmed instead! The landscape of possible scumteams would have felt very different. Ranger did look a lot worse off the Vanders elim than she would have off Aureal, I think. I townread Vanders but it's not obvious that I would have stuck with the read if he had survived.

[Aisa]

Aisa, you are the best.

but then aisa caught a scum anyway (GJ, but I wish we could talk!)

Love how I told myself I would not fall for this but

entirely coincidentally

you still rose through my reads around that time
The way to my heart really isn't that complex

[Aisa]

I for one find it quite shocking how much Aisa was townreading me for a good chunk of that time, because nobody ever does.

I felt a bit emboldened that last phase and started trying to push the envelope like a good unselfconscious townie or something and it apparently had the opposite effect. XD

I think it might just be a streak of bad luck, I don't see anything in your play that makes you look especially suspicious. At face value you're quite obvtown, even. It would at the very least be not trivial to replicate your play in this game convincingly as scum.

Now that I say it it feels so obvious that you were town, would have been cool if I had stuck to my guns more D:

[Aisa]

Also omg gonna take a few pages out of your scumgame the next time I roll red

Uh, sure. Glad to be an inspiration I guess.
(I don't know what you saw inspiration-worthy but power to you I suppose!)

I'm pretty attached to my activity-based tells and my timestamps and the principle that participation is >rand town. It made me perfect fodder for your sinful ways on D1.

I remember this evening in particular when I sat down to play some mafia and you kept showing up in my preview (around here). You kept writing posts faster than I could digest them =P
So I thought "ok, the only way someone is this passionate about a read is if they're town". You sounded so sure of yourself, like you really believed what you said, and the posts all had an internal logic and consistency to them. I admire your gumption, basically.

I know these tells are not 100% - I now know you are among those on whom they don't work.